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Started by BoardnationArchive, October 26, 2003, 05:10:52 PM

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Will any of main characters(royal family) die in KQ9?

Yes
19 (38.8%)
No
10 (20.4%)
No, except Connor getting flattened.
20 (40.8%)

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Bajamamut

Maybe King Graham will have to do the last sacrifice to keep the world safe from the bad guys again, because he's now too old...but on the other side, Valanice has the same age (more or less...but you're still charming, mylady ;))

But maybe not...

Do you all remember the intro of KQIV??? And KQVIII Plot??? It just popped out of my head, but...DOESN'T THE ROYAL FAMILY OF DAVENTRY SEEM IMMORTAL FOR THEIR ADVENTURES AND LEARNINGS THRU 'EM?!?!?!?

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Quote from: Bajamamut on August 17, 2005, 04:36:20 PM
DOESN'T THE ROYAL FAMILY OF DAVENTRY SEEM IMMORTAL FOR THEIR ADVENTURES AND LEARNINGS THRU 'EM?!?!?!?
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Quote from: Deloria on August 14, 2005, 05:56:54 AM
Quote from: Oldbushie on October 27, 2003, 01:11:27 PM
I hope this won't end like Hamlet... :o

But if Connor doesn't die, I suppose the person might be Crispin (sad but true). Even though he is a wizard, he is getting very very old and may end up transferring his remaining powers to a student of magic before he dies. Though I did read in one of the KQ books (not neccessarily in flow with the games though) that Crispin (or maybe some other magician, can't remember) turned himself into a tree to become immortal.
It was from "The floating castle" and he did it because had he not, he would have died almost immediatly. The tree was a bad side affect. In the book however, the girl Alexander saves, promises she will do her best to turn him into a human again. Anyway back to the question:
Rosella-- How could anyone kill Etheria's future Queen?
Valenice--She is the person least involved (of the royal family) in the games. The only reason I can fathom somebody killing her would be fro spite, and that in itself is very unlikely.
Alexander-- Who could get past all those guard dogs without a genie?
Even if they did have one Alex would just call Shamir.
Graham--Okay everyone knows it, but who wants to admit it? We are all getting older. Graham would be in his mid-fifties to his mid-sixties. Killing older, crippled people who have a country to run is just cruel.
Cassima-- Everyone loves her, especially teh dogs, so how in the world  could anyone get to her without a genie, hence the same answer as Alex.
Conner--Since MoE everyone hates him and do not wish to see him in any Kings Quest again. He very well may be without much protection. Therefore he will be easiest to get to.

Who if anyone will die? : Conner.


Ahhhhh but most of those theories are based on everyone staying where they should be. How often does THAT happen in KQ games? ;)
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i hope none of the royal family dies.

Deloria

Quote from: Drunken Chinchilla on August 18, 2005, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: Deloria on August 14, 2005, 05:56:54 AM
Quote from: Oldbushie on October 27, 2003, 01:11:27 PM
I hope this won't end like Hamlet... :o

But if Connor doesn't die, I suppose the person might be Crispin (sad but true). Even though he is a wizard, he is getting very very old and may end up transferring his remaining powers to a student of magic before he dies. Though I did read in one of the KQ books (not neccessarily in flow with the games though) that Crispin (or maybe some other magician, can't remember) turned himself into a tree to become immortal.
It was from "The floating castle" and he did it because had he not, he would have died almost immediatly. The tree was a bad side affect. In the book however, the girl Alexander saves, promises she will do her best to turn him into a human again. Anyway back to the question:
Rosella-- How could anyone kill Etheria's future Queen?
Valenice--She is the person least involved (of the royal family) in the games. The only reason I can fathom somebody killing her would be fro spite, and that in itself is very unlikely.
Alexander-- Who could get past all those guard dogs without a genie?
Even if they did have one Alex would just call Shamir.
Graham--Okay everyone knows it, but who wants to admit it? We are all getting older. Graham would be in his mid-fifties to his mid-sixties. Killing older, crippled people who have a country to run is just cruel.
Cassima-- Everyone loves her, especially teh dogs, so how in the world  could anyone get to her without a genie, hence the same answer as Alex.
Conner--Since MoE everyone hates him and do not wish to see him in any Kings Quest again. He very well may be without much protection. Therefore he will be easiest to get to.

Who if anyone will die? : Conner.


Ahhhhh but most of those theories are based on everyone staying where they should be. How often does THAT happen in KQ games? ;)
Very true, excellent point. But even if they did go to some place where they shouldn't be, Alexander and Cassima would still definitely have protection. Rosella would have Edgar to protect her. Graham wouldn't need protection, since he is old, crippled, and has no heir, who would want to kill him? They could just get the throne after he dies, by winning rites or something of the like. The same goes for the still-charming Valenice. As for Conner, where would he get protection, he's supposed to protect, and it's scary when a bodyguard needs protecting.
 
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I don't see why people hate Connor so much. Sure, he wasn't a member of the royal family, but when the time came for him to come to terms with destiny and find the Mask, he boldly accepted this and strode off heroically to do what he had to. He was kind to those he met, brave against the dangers he faced, chivalrous even. Not bad for a lowly peasant, I would think. As he himself said in AGDI's KQ2: "The qualities of Truth, Light and Order can be found in even the most impoverished souls. Nobility is defined through one's actions, not one's lineage."

If he were to die, at least give him a heroic death.

As for the members of the royal family themselves:

Graham: Hmmmmm. He's old and gray, but he can still save the day (yes, the rhyme was intended :P ). He may not be the youngest any longer, but he is still brave enough to face the forces of evil. Still, with his elderly frailty, it is well possible he might meet his match sooner or later.

Valanice: Little to no adventuring experience, other than being locked in a tower indefinitely and her experiences in KQ7. Plus she's a woman, and it's all the more shocking and unexpected if a woman dies.

Alexander: Geez, it's bad enough Graham's without any heirs to the throne of Daventry; now they have to kill off his only son too? Well, he would at least have some manner of defense (IE: Shamir and his own magical abilities). Still, it's doubtful he would die IMO. If anything he'd most likely be the one to avenge his father's (possible) death.

Rosella: Kill off poor little tomboyish princess Rosella? Well, she's MORE than capable of handling herself (plenty of adventuring experience in both KQ4 and KQ7), plus this time around she's got Edgar to protect her. Hell, in the unlikely event of Alexander's demise she might even go out to avenge him. Look out world, here come Rampaging Rosella XD

Still, even IF someone were to die, how would it be handled? Would he/she die under the player's control (in the case of Graham/Alex/Rosella)? Or would another character witness his/her demise?

Of course, with the game being split into three parts there is of course the possibility for a cliffhanger ;)
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You make a lot of good points, but there's one thing I have a comment on:

Quote from: Amayirot Akago on August 22, 2005, 01:10:07 AM
Rosella: Kill off poor little tomboyish princess Rosella?

Rosella? Tomboyish? XD Sure, she likes adventuring, but I think she's a very girly, princessy soul. :P
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I agree. Maybe you should make some sort of bonus level killed "The Many Deaths Of Connor Who Everything Was "JUST OUT OF MY REACH" Except For Death Of Course!"

Poor Poor Connor. How sad you must feel.... :-\
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Deloria

So there's a happy ending? :P But it's  fairly common knowledge that someone dies. :-\
 
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Yes, the ending is happy. 8)

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Were my intentions that easy to see? :P
 
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Guys, I think you have to look at this from a story mechnics POV. If you want this to be a good game and a good "story", if you want to create drama to maximum effect, you have to have your deaths have maximum effect too.

Think of Darth Vader -- er, BEFORE they made those prequels. The ONE character who needed to die before the series was finished was Darth Vader. And once he was dead, they could NEVER go back on it. Because not to do so didn't allow the series to end. Likewise, to bring him back to life cheapened the circumstances of his death.

This is why, if someone were to die, it precisely MUST be someone well known to KQ fans, someone who spans more than one game. Killing Crispin off, for instance, would make no sense just as killing off Connor would make no sense. It would simply be a waste. If Conor is not well liked by many fans, that's precisely a reason not to kill him: because you're simply wasting time trying to create drama for a character nobody cares about to begin with. You're wasting time trying to give them a dramatic or heroic death. Better just to forget about them and not address them at all.

What TSL would be better off doing is building UP Conor and Crispin into actual worthwhile characters. While Conor may be lacking in his execution from the last game, in terms of worldbuilding he is a great concept: he can represent the common man and give a sense of daventry "outside the castle" so to speak. Plus, he's a solid mirror to Graham himself since both began as non-royalty and performed heroic deeds to save the same kingdom.

Crisipin would also be a great oppertunity to bring back as a member of the Silver Cloak society.

One way or the other at this point little could be gained from killing the characters since at least at the beginning of the game they are either obscure or not liked by the fanbase.

Likewise, it should probably be noted that likely nobody will die in the first act. Certainly none of the three pricipals of Graham, Rosella and Alexander, since you can play them all in the final chapter. Were it somone like Cassima or Valanice or Edgar, perhaps it would be possible to kill them off by the second chapter, however.

All that said, the take I can sense from this leads me to think that Alexander and Rosella cannot possibly be killed because the KQ series is simply not that dark and will have to have thier turns on the throne for an appropriate period. To contemplate thier death before they grew old would be more in the vein of "Gabriel Knight" or another non-fantasy series that can contemplate such thing because of its genre.

Likewise, Valanice doesn't seem to be a likely choice. She appears to be playing the "Queen of Sorrows" archetype. As such, it would mean she is partially responsible for what happens. For her to die and that be the end of it would not be all that dramatic, unless somone else were to die as well.

Meaning that if Valanice dies, she would not be the only one. Perhaps she could die trying to redeem herself -- but that would fall a bit flat if she was the only one to die. It would feel a bit pointless, a waste of a character. I mean in real life, it would mean something, but narrative is quite different, and redemption has to fit "the crime". If Valanice's actions caused someone death and she supposedly redeemed herself by giving some money away, that would feel unduly easy for her (and thus, absurd). Likewise if her actions caused nobody's death and she died to redeem herself, that would feel unduly harsh (and thus, pointless).

The best candidates would probably be Cassima or Graham, or both. Cassima is a fully developed character as KQ goes, having appeared in two games, and is expendible to the story. Her death creates drama for Alexander. Therefore you get very solid dividends from her dying depending on the manner of death.

Graham is the other choice. Another poster hit it on the head: he's getting older, his time is passing. In a sense of fantasy, his 'time' is approaching. Plus if this is meant to end the series, it bookends it well, though perhaps rather conventionally. The series began with Graham's ascent to the throne, and ends with his death. Killing off Graham would create great, great dividends from a story point of view.

THerefore, I would vote that if anyone died, it would likely be Graham. And probably in a JRR Tolkien "Elves fading into the west" fashion.

Too bad most of his reign was spent looking for his son and mucking around with a three-headed dragon. From our POV it seems he had a lot of good years: but when you think about it, most of his time is spend in the cruddy years between KQII and III. Everything from KQIV-KQXIX all happens in the span of like, 2 years or so. Poor guy.


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I figure Graham is in his 50's or 60's, he could live to be 80, or even past that. In fantasy, people live longer than they do in actual medieval history, cause you can use magic for healing and curing diseases. That magic fruit Rosella gave him promises good health and well-being for the rest of his life.  Perhaps it could extend his life? Graham's not really that old.


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If I'm controling a character, (s)he will die at least 10000 times.  But is it not possible that all of the royal family die and is reunited in some happy version of the Land of the Dead.  If that wouldn't give closure, nothing would.  8)