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Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« on: July 30, 2006, 07:17:28 AM »
Alex and Rosella can't they already have their own kingdoms

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2006, 09:16:50 AM »
Technically, Rosella's not married yet. :P And the Green Isles could merge with Daventry (thus creating the kingdom of the Green Isles-Daventry). :P
 
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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2006, 09:29:42 AM »
Hello and welcome Galadur.  I honestly do not know, but according to the majority of historical succession laws Alexander would rule both Green Isles and Davenetry.  Of could in this case I suspect the Salic law will step aside for story-telling effectiveness, making it less likely that Alex will get everything and his sister nothing.  I see the following as most probable.

A. Graham lives, and the issue never comes up.

B. Rosella marries Edgar and they rule Daventry.

C. Rosella rules alone.

D. Some new guy, possibly Connor takes the throne.

E.  Alexander rules both Green isles and Daventry.

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2006, 10:32:48 AM »
i hope rosella rules daventry, and connor gets nothing, I don't really like him...
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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2006, 10:47:41 AM »
Well first off Edger's parents are immortal fairy deities so they aren't giving up their kingdom any time soon.

Official King's Quest companion implied that Valanice had plans that Rosella and Edger were to take over kingdom of Daventry

However its also possible for Alexander to rule the kingdom from afar while Rosella became the Grand Duchess of Daventry and governed it locally.

If for some reason Edgar was to become ruler of Etheria, he could rule Daventry from afar as well.

As for Conner he is just captain of the guard in The Silver Lining timeline, so I doubt he'd get the kingdom. There are several other lords and ranks higher than him.



« Last Edit: July 30, 2006, 10:53:08 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2006, 11:07:35 AM »
I think Rosella's just going to become protector of the realm whilst Alexander gets to rule it. There's also a very slight chance, that if Graham dies without naming a successor, there might be a slight chance of there being a civil war.
 
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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2006, 11:10:03 AM »
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There's also a very slight chance, that if Graham dies without naming a successor, there might be a slight chance of there being a civil war.


 In real life I would agree, but this is Kings quest. I know they talked about a darker plot, but a civil war between Alexander and Rosella for the throne might be pushing that idea a little far.  ;)  Regent I could see though.

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2006, 07:56:24 PM »
Is it just me, or is everyone missing the obvious? :P  If Graham dies, Valanice would rule Daventry. XD
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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2006, 08:02:30 PM »
Is it just me, or is everyone missing the obvious? :P  If Graham dies, Valanice would rule Daventry. XD

 In a fairy tale world that would be possible yes, I should have thought of that.  But it never happened in a historical setting, ad isn't the 'traditional' ways the crown is passed, so the obvious choice she is not.    8)

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2006, 06:53:39 PM »
Is it just me, or is everyone missing the obvious? :P  If Graham dies, Valanice would rule Daventry. XD
And what if Val is already dead?
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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2006, 12:22:03 PM »
And what if Val is already dead?
That's not what it asks in this thread's title. ;-D
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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2006, 10:47:52 PM »
I think Rosella's just going to become protector of the realm whilst Alexander gets to rule it. There's also a very slight chance, that if Graham dies without naming a successor, there might be a slight chance of there being a civil war.


Hahaha! Now thats something I want to see. Alexander and Rosella in a Slapping Match (Er, Boxing Match).

Hm, I wonder who would win. ;D

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2006, 10:42:53 AM »
  I hope it never comes up, since Graham is my favorite character.  Hasn't he already faced enough adversity?
  I don't think Alexander ruling Daventry would be a good idea.  THat wouldn't do Daventry any good, and it would be a lesser nation serving some king they never see far away.  Alexander couldn't service the kingdom properly (it has alot of problems, and needs protecting and constant support) when he's a couple months travel away.
  As for Rosella and Edgar, I don't think Edgar would ever want to leave Etheria, but I also don't think Rosella would abandon Daventry just to please Edgar (*cough* Alexander for Cassima *cough*).  I think as likely as not that point could push the two of them apart.    Sure Rosella likes Etheria, but she has a huge sense of responsibility (one that far exceeds Alexander's.  Alexander was depended upon, but was actually somewhat selfish to abandon his kingdom.  Rosella in KQIV, on the other hand, went way out of her way just to save her father.)  So I think Rosella would like stay in Daventry while Edgar would like to stay in Etheria.  One of them could give up their kingdom, but as I said before they are both pretty stuborn, so I don't know if they cfould get along or not.  Maybr Rosella will have to ditch Edgar and marry Conner to rule Daventry with him ;D (I hope not). 
  As for Connor, I think he owes the people too much money and has to return to many of the chickens he's killed to have time to become King.  Sure he did a good deed, but I don't think he is really fit to be King.  After all, he wasn't even a knight, just a peasant who killed everything in sight (hopefully his character will be added another dimension in TSL.)
  So who should be king?  Who knows?  Graham is in his mid-fifties, so hopefully it won't come up for a while.  After all, we don't actual;ly know how long people live in the King's Quest world.  Maybe the average age is 120.  That, combined with the magic fruit Graham has, should keep him alive for a while (as long as POS doesn't kill him).  Maybe Alexander can have two sons, and one can return to reign Daventry, or  Graham can give his favorite knight a quest, leading back to KQI.

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2006, 02:12:47 PM »
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it has alot of problems, and needs protecting and constant support

It has a military(as per the novels), and the shield of invincibility to help defend it from enemies. Plus the mirror to predict what enemies will do before they do it. As well as unlimited amounts of gold from a magic chest to support the army.

Very true. At the time of KQ1, Daventry was poor and weak (and apparently according to the Companions had lost much of it's former territory due to invasions.) But with the recovery of the Three Treasures, the kingdom is back to it's former glory, and with these assets, Daventry is probably the most powerful realm in the world of Daventry. And from what the novels suggest and the omnipedia also suggests, Daventry only got bigger and bigger (in terms of land) during Graham's reign and had a period of growth (Daventry village becoming Daventry town within a few years, etc.)
I'd say (except for the invasion of the dragon) Daventry has been pretty well off under Graham's reign. I'd love to see how big Daventry actually is,  and to see how Graham and Daventry relate to the world's other kingdoms in terms of diplomacy. I wonder if Graham ever went to war with any other countries in the period between KQ2 and 3.

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2006, 02:15:11 PM »
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As well as unlimited amounts of gold from a magic chest to support the army.

  Which would lead to massive gold inflation and the collapse of the economy in a few months. I can see the headlines now, Kings Quest X, a fool with a magic chest soon can't be parted from money.  :P :suffer:

 Back to topic I suspect fans would be a little piqued if Conner took Rosella and the crown.  He isn't exactly the most popular guy on the block.  I suspect Alex will not be two kingdoms and his sister none, thus making Edgar and Rosella the logical choices.  But the POS staff doubtless see that as well, and they may throw in a curveball. For all I know the entire royal family dies and goes to some happy version of the land of the dead while Connor or some guy we know nothing of takes the crown.

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2006, 02:38:20 PM »
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Which would lead to massive gold inflation and the collapse of the economy in a few months. I can see the headlines now, Kings Quest X, a fool with a magic chest soon can't be parted from money.

Which is probably why they don't rely on the chest too often heh heh. Its only there when they need it. It's a good thing king's of daventry haven't been greedy heh. Plus they probably just melt down the coins they pull out of the chest, in order to imprint the new king's face, whenever they reissue a new gold coin in daventry. ;).

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For all I know the entire royal family dies and goes to some happy version of the land of the dead while Connor or some guy we know nothing of takes the crown.

I don't think we are going to play the KQ version of hamlet :p...
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2006, 04:14:32 PM »

it has alot of problems, and needs protecting and constant support

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It has a military(as per the novels), and the shield of invincibility to help defend it from enemies. Plus the mirror to predict what enemies will do before they do it. As well as unlimited amounts of gold from a magic chest to support the army.

I wasn't talking about the novels necessarily, and the mosty important part of an army is its ruler.  Why do you think the King's Quests are about the King and his family rather than some random general or soldier.  Alos, Graham is the only one I've seen use the mirror, and you still need a king, no matter what magic you have.

marry Conner to rule Daventry with him

 Connor is married to Sarah in TSL history.

I don't think Connor was ever a canditate in Roberta's history either

  I know that, I was just joking.

Ithink he owes the people too much money and has to return to many of the chickens he's killed to have time to become King.

Connor doesn't owe anyone money considering that he saved their lives, and besides if he did he made back way more than he took from the people of his village, in other areas, from ancient tombs and monsters he killed. He could replace the chickens many times over.
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  Again, I was joking.  Besides, saving their lives doesn't justify every action he may or may not have taken.

After all, we don't actual;ly know how long people live in the King's Quest world.  Maybe the average age is 120. 

Actually the spinoff literature(novels, guides and manuals) actually hints at age limits of people. Wizards and the like tend to live longer than the average human. Crispin is tens of thousand sof years old for example(so he may not be entirely human). While on the other hand the wizard Morowyn, is at least 100 years old, but had to use a spell to turn himself into a tree in order to extend his life.

Average human only lives to between 70-90. Much like most humans on earth now. We are directly related to them of course.

Around age 80 is considered old age, and severe senility sets in as was the case with Master Rokail, forcing him to retire.

In Green Isles we know that in the last 100 years that at least four kings have ruled over the Castle of the Crown, Aliphid, Aliphim,  Caliphim, and Alexander.

We do not know the names of the kings that were between Aliphid and Aliphim, and Aliphim and Caliphim.
  Many King's don't come to reign until they are very old.  Also, ALexander's reign starts at the end of the hundred years.  We also don't know if one of those kings were murdered, or died early by natural causes.  About the wizards, how do we know how much longer they would live than a human?  We have no idea except from the novels, and in the novels Crispin is tens of thousands of years old.  That could mean Graham could live a thousand years as far as we know.
 Also, that is 1:in the spinoff literature, which I don't view necessarily canon to KIng's QUest.
 2:Graham, again, has the fruit, and we don't know he would live to only 70 without it.  In King's Quest I can see people averaging the age of 120 when they are healthy, without any fruit.  It's fantasy, not the real age of people in the world nowadays.
  3:Graham is not an 'average' person.  I'm sure a'the finest knight in Daventry' had some royal lineage, and some good blood.  There are unaverage people today who live over 100, and they aren't in a fantasy land, and don't have magic fruit which is used to ensure long life! 
4:If you read the King's QUest I legendary tale, you can see Edward was supposedly quite old.  It sarts where he is perhaps forty, and it ssays 'many years passed' about three times before you get to the part it says Edward sent out Graham on his quest.
  5:Also, let's not forget this is a fairly standard fairy tale, thought it is more complicated than most.  In fairy tales who is blessed with the greatest age?  The main character of course!
 
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2006, 05:08:18 PM »
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"Alos, Graham is the only one I've seen use the mirror, and you still need a king, no matter what magic you have."
Actually Prime Minister, or even Captain of the Guard, or the generals can take command if king is incapacitated. These characters are mentioned in the manuals, among other sources.

You probably havne't played King's Quest 4, or King's Quest 6? Because other people other than Graham use the mirror, Rosella and Alexander. Infact the mirror will work for anyone wants to use. Edward once used for example, before he lost it.

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Besides, saving their lives doesn't justify every action he may or may not have taken.

He never murdered anyone, he only defended himself, from enemies that attacked him first. He also only took a tiny bit of gold and promised he would return it and avenge them. I see nothing wrong with that. Besides if he didn't take the gold it wouldn't have served anyone any good. As statues they were dead, and the dead do not need gold.

Hell Graham, Rosella, Valanice, and even Alexander hav stolen more on their journies, than he did on his single journey. Not to mention they also broke or entered into homes that were not theirs to enter without permission. They are no different.

 
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" That is 1:in the spinoff lioterature, which I don't view necessarily canon to KIng's QUest."

Ok ignoring the novels which is your prerogative, even though they are infact official, and are a secondary source of canon.

Actually the Guidebook to the Land of the Green Isles is part of King's Quest 6, and is its manual. It is infact very much canon same level of canon, and needed to beat King's Quest 6. There are also refrences in the official games if you know where to look as well, that point out average life span is same as on earth for regular people (unless of course you have some magical way of staying alive longer than usual). Hell the games actually implied that the stories take place on earth sometime in the past.

Yes I agree because graham ate the fruit he may live longer than most people. But that will make him above average.

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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2006, 05:20:35 PM »
Alos, Graham is the only one I've seen use the mirror, and you still need a king, no matter what magic you have."
Actually Prime Minister, or even Captain of the Guard, or the generals can take command if king is incapacitated. These characters are mentioned in the manuals, among other sources.

You probably havne't played King's Quest 4, or King's Quest 6? Because other people other than Graham use the mirror, Rosella and Alexander. Infact the mirror will work for anyone wants to use. Edward once used for example.

 
 Lol,  OK, sorry that was dumb. :-[ :-[ :-[  I have played both of those, but I totally forgot about  Alexander and Rosella using the mirror (besides that the prime minister guy saw it in Mask of Eternity.   
  I suppose their age wouldn't be Much longer, if any, than average humans today (10-15 years at the most.)  I know the Isles is canon, but I don't view the three novels as at all canon (the trilogy thing) and I ciew the companion as secondary canon.  Of course the guidebook is canon because it is part of the actual game.
  Anyway, I suppose we have no idea how long Graham will live with the fruit. (two more years, maybe twenty, maybe two hundred).  My original point was that Graham most likely won't be dying by old age in any King's Quest game (definitely not TSL).  Of course, that doesn't eliminate death by another cause.

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Re: Who will inherit Daventry upon Graham's demise??
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2006, 12:48:54 PM »
Well I'm sure how a discussion of Graham's Age has anything to do with timeline. It has more to do with figuring out when he might die(which is part of this topic's title).

Barring the fact he may have extended his life beyond that of other humans around him by eating the Magic Fruit.

I'm pretty sure that discussion of when he became a knight has nothing to do with the timeline topic, and would probably fit better in the Graham's Knight hood topic. Though it has a bit of connection as to trying to figure out a ballpark number for how old Graham can get by knowing his age through the series.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg