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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2006, 07:30:11 PM »
I have to admit when I first read the title of this thread I did it with a slightly differant emphasis.   :raf:  Since I've never played MoE either my opinion doesn't count for much but I'll add it in case it helps somebody.  From what I have heard, Connor didn't do anything worse that stealing mother bear's thimble in KQ3 or other things the royal family has done.  I see no reason to hate him in particular, whatever MoE may have done.  :)

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  Uhhh, is there a reason this place censors K Q 8.  ;D  ;D
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2006, 08:31:30 PM »
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Call me dumb, but I just can't see how that's a bad comparison. A credit card is in many ways like money (especially in the way you can use both to pay for things), and at any rate, it doesn't have to be anything like money to prove my point - it is enough that both are used without their owner's permission 

The big difference is because credit card isn't money, it is just a worthless piece of plastic used to access money owned by a bank or credit company. The person with the card actually borrows from the bank or credit company, and doesn't actually own the money.

Plus to even use a credit card you need an ID of some sort to prove who you are.

Money on the other hand can be used by anyone and its physical and belongs to the person with the money. You do not have to prove who you are to use the money.

If the daughter of someone in real life had actually gave her injured father's money and I mean Cash, legal tender, not just some bank's credit card(which is actually just a worthless piece of plastic with some bank or creditor behind it), in order to save her parent's life, it would not be viewed as wrong.

Believe me in many cases if someone is injured or dieing if the daughter gave permission to use parent's money(that is cash) if there was no other way to save the person the law would not view it as wrong. Its an amoral issue, neither immoral or moral. Some people might view it as  good moral thing to do since life is more important than letting someone die, because there was no other way to save them.

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thimble in KQ3 or other things the royal family has done. 


Yep, among the things Alexander stole in KQ3, was baby bears food, he vandalized baby bear's chair, and he stole mother bear's thimble.

He also stole from his evil master, Manannan. Two wrongs do not make a right.

He also stole from the pirates, two wrongs do not make a right.

King Graham has stole Chicken Soup from a thieving dwarf, as well as one of the saphire jewels. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Instead of trying to find out who the Jewels belonged to he gave them to his wife as a wedding present.

Graham robbed food from the robbers in Serenia. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Rosella stole diamonds from the Dwarve's home without first asking the dwarfs if she could take them. She could have left them in the house, and asked the dwarves about them, rather than taking them, and then asking about them. Like Connor she "intended" to return them however. Because she did she was forgiven and even allowed to keep them.

Graham stole the Leprechaun King's royal Sceptor. The king may have stolen the shield(or at least given the shield by someone else), but two wrongs do not make a right.

Alexander kidnaps the Hole in the Wall and leaves him trapped in the catacombs. He also kidnaps the Rotten Tomato and gets him tossed into the swamp.

Alexander makes babies cry...

Alexander kicking the cat...

Alexander steals the druids sycle from the druids village without permission.

Valanice takes several things that do not belong to her from people in Falderal without permission.

Plus the many times they have broken and entered into people's homes without permission.

Etc, Etc. I shouldn't have to bring up every thing that royal family has stolen, as well as breaking and entering, as well the partially mean acts they have commited over the years(kidnapping and breaking and entering).

The royal family's habit of taking things that do not belong to them is repeated many times in the history.

 Infact stealing random things seems to run in the family's blood line, one of King Graham's father, Sir Hereward's famous sayings was to;

"Pick up anything that is not nailed down. If it is nailed down, look for loose nails or boards. Check carefully into, under, above, below, and behind things."

Hereward passed that on this son, and he passed that saying on his children and wife.

If anything a psychiastrist could probably have a field day analyzing his family, and the family motto.

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Uhhh, is there a reason this place censors K Q 8.   


Well at least in the american market the game was not actually listed as MoE in the title, only KQ:MOE. There was a sticker that pointed out it was the VIII installment of the series though.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2006, 10:09:41 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2006, 09:15:08 PM »
King Graham has stole Chicken Soup from a thieving dwarf, as well as one of the saphire jewels. Two wrongs do not make a right.

But Graham was asked to return it from the drawf to the grandmother and hooded girl from whom the soup was stole from at first.
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2006, 09:23:16 PM »
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But Graham was asked to return it from the drawf to the grandmother and hooded girl from whom the soup was stole from at first.

Actually in original KQ2 and Roberta's version of the story, the chicken soup belonged to the Dwarf it did not belong to grandmother. The dwarf had not stolen it from anyone, and it was just his dinner he had been preparing.

So yes Graham broke and entered into dwarf's home and stole the Chicken Soup and one part of the Saphire jewels set that the thief had. Graham justifies stealing the soup and jewelry according to the King's Quest companion, because the dwarf had originally robbed him(robbed him of stuff he had "found" while in kolyma), so he was just "getting even". But two wrongs do not make a right.

In Roberta's version of the story, the Basket of goodies was stolen from Little Red Riding Hood, and someone was nice enough to return it to Grandma's mailbox where Graham found it.



Do I have to remind people that the story in the unofficial KQ2 remake is nothing like the story in Roberta William's version of the story in the original game, or the official King's Quest companion adaptation?

Probably about 60% of material in the unofficial version is different than anything that happened in the original version.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2006, 08:18:46 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2006, 09:28:01 PM »
Sorry I will concede all arguments to you my bad I get the two mixed up. :'(
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2006, 09:29:37 PM »
No problem. I assume some people assume the unofficial version is what happened since maybe they haven't played the original?

You know, I remember reading a rather funny article on rpg and adventure games that brought up the point that nearly every rpg and adventure game hero has some sort of petty thievery or klepto tendencies. They often enter homes without permission, raid people's chests or belongings without permission, and then leave. Later they often lose or destroy the items they stole without any financial gain.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2006, 09:48:53 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2006, 09:40:30 PM »
Nope, I have played the original but its been a long time ago for me. So that is why I mixed it up plus my bro told me they changed some of the stuff in the new version and Didn't complete talking with me after we played it about which parts were changed and new and which weren't haha oh well my bad.
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2006, 10:56:31 AM »
Maybe Patrick should look into Storm's old rants :P
She was QUITE... explicit about her feelings towards Connor in one too many old threads :P

Meaning, she was nice in those comments I read from her in this thread, lol. Oh, good old days :P


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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2006, 04:40:03 PM »
...credit card isn't money, it is just a worthless piece of plastic used to access money owned by a bank or credit company. The person with the card actually borrows from the bank or credit company, and doesn't actually own the money.

No kidding? and there I thought the grocer was giving me all those things just for the pleasure of handling my little piece of plastic. Nuts :P


Maybe Patrick should look into Storm's old rants :P
She was QUITE... explicit about her feelings towards Connor in one too many old threads :P

Meaning, she was nice in those comments I read from her in this thread, lol. Oh, good old days :P

Yeah, I've grown soft in my old age...
Plus, I got really fed up with those 'can you seperate the character from the game' debates. As far as I'm concerned, he's a bad character in a bad game, and I don't see why some people bend over backwards to try and 'redeem' him ::)

And I'll conclude with this:

Conner's my hero...I just love the way he jumps and jogs while sprouting a jaggedly-polygonal butt...and thrusting his sword in the air like he just doesn't care...he doesn't acknowledge walls or solid objects either, damn right Conner doesn't fear clipping...bow down to the almighty master of adventurous disaster, the killer of a once glorious game saga thriller, the bearer of a crown who struts like a clown as I sit here and hope in KQ9 he will drown...your favorite and mine, he's one of a kind, Conner by name, MOE b!tch by fame, all on your knees and pray, that Conner will come save the day...or at least die swiftly and forever dead shall he stay

That just cracks me up every time XB
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2006, 10:41:12 PM »
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nd I don't see why some people bend over backwards to try and 'redeem' him

For it is a worthy cause... that, and you should know by now that everyone in here is crazy(no matter which "side" you're on, the conversation/arguement itself is insane XB). :P

  Uhhh, is there a reason this place censors K Q 8.  ;D  ;D

Storm deemed it to be so(or, to be more accurate, it was used to save newbies from Storm's wrath XB), like the TSL Encyclopedia... thing, says. :P

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2006, 11:39:58 PM »
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and I don't see why some people bend over backwards to try and 'redeem' him


....I don't see why people try to bend over backwards to redeem the Royal Family, either. They have had many more Games than Connor to prove how much petty crimes and animal abuse they commit.

I like them, but I you can't really justify all the crimes they have commited without being a hypocrite in relation to argueing against Connor (since he has done alot less than they have done, considering he just doesn't have the onscreen time that they have had).

Also I find it rather surprising dispite people arguing that the game was bad(sure they are welcome to their personal opinions), I've found just as many reviews from people that actually enjoyed the game.

It received at least 7 or higher in many reviews of the day from what I recall. It was considered somewhat smarter game than most of hte other action games released at the time. Granted it also got poor reviews as well. Magazine reviewers were often split down the middle of those that loved it, and those that hated it. Since itw as a multi-genre hybrid, it got reviews from more than just adventure game reviewers, which also split the numbers a bit as well.

I also recall it actually sold as well as the previous King's Quest games in the series in that it was bought by most King's Quest fans, or other Sierra game fans, simply because of its name, and company that was stampe don it.

Unfortunetly the company wanted it to sell much more than any previous King's Quest game, so it didn't meet their projected numbers they wanted. Plus it cost more to make than any previous game in the series, so it lost money. So what was considere poor sales would have been considered excellent sells in earlier years but was simply not enough for  the requirements of the day.

But the fact remains that there are people that enjoy the game, and at least tolerate the character or even like him.

Its also kind of interesting fact, but MOE was one of the top selling adventure games in 2001, number 16 out of like 50-60 adventure games still on the market that year.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2006, 12:05:38 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2006, 02:29:29 AM »
Conner's my hero...I just love the way he jumps and jogs while sprouting a jaggedly-polygonal butt...and thrusting his sword in the air like he just doesn't care...he doesn't acknowledge walls or solid objects either, damn right Conner doesn't fear clipping...bow down to the almighty master of adventurous disaster, the killer of a once glorious game saga thriller, the bearer of a crown who struts like a clown as I sit here and hope in KQ9 he will drown...your favorite and mine, he's one of a kind, Conner by name, MOE b!tch by fame, all on your knees and pray, that Conner will come save the day...or at least die swiftly and forever dead shall he stay
I do love that, even though I support Connor.

As for MoE when I bought it and brought it home to play I'll admit I felt ripped off because it wasn't like the usual KQ game. They should have given some kinda warning to it. :-\
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2006, 09:24:23 AM »
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They should have given some kinda warning to it."

Let's see the back of hte box said;

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"Master Storyteller Roberta Williams brings her best-selling King's Quest series into the next millenium with a revolutionary blend of technology, gameplay, and storytelling. Long time King's Quest Fans, and 3D action gamers alike will revel in a universe teeming with mythical monsters, magic elixirs, and hand to hand combat! Never before has action been so intelligent or exploration so intensely thrilling."

Obviously that should have been enough of a warning to any one that can't stomach any form of action adventure...

Granted its honest in the part that it is overally more intelligent than most action games(of its day of course). Most action games especially at the time the game was made do not involve puzzle solving, inventory puzzles, or the like. Hell she even bothered to involve hand weapons in solving certain puzzles (unless you count the secondary item menu in Zelda games). That is you had to actually get certain weapons in order to progress past certain barriers. I.E. Azriel's hammer in order to lower the bridge over River of Death, the Bow and Arrows in order to shoot the rope holding the front gate closed int he witch's tower. Warhammer in order to break the lock on a door in the underground realm of the gnomes, etc. That is to say they were more intelligent use for weapons than just bashing in some monster's skull.

Granted in some cases you had to get special weapons in order to bash in monsters that were invincible to any other weapon. Black diamond spear for the basilisk, and flame sword for the two-headed dragon for example. Granted for the case of the basilisk you don't actually fight the dragon, but beating it involves a so called "climbing puzzle".
« Last Edit: September 04, 2006, 09:36:20 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2006, 09:36:40 AM »
Firstly I was 10 at the time and secondly I got it as birthday present. So I never got to read the back of the box and find out that it was nothing like previous installments.

I can stomach action adventure but the game scared me to death at that age, and in my opinion it's a bad action adventure game.
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2006, 09:46:53 AM »
Well the front of the box also had a comment saying it was a hybrid of 3-d action games and adventure. That too should have been a warning. Even the screenshots on the box of him battling monsters should have been a warning. That's even before you get to the manual that has huge sections talking about hte Action elements.

If you didn't bother to read the box or have the box read to you, well its your fault or the fault of your parents that you didn't get your "warning".

Besides the fact that all the magazines at the time were talking about the action game elements, and showed pictures of him battling monsters.

As for age recommendation warnings it was rated "Teen" on the box, which is 13+. That also certainly should have been a warning to your parents if you were only 10. A game rated at teen is viewed as too intense by ESRB for anyone under 13.

As for my opinion it was one of best action adventure games of its time. Its dated by today's standards, but when it was released it was better than most of the crap action adventures out there.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2006, 09:58:09 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2006, 09:57:50 AM »
Like I said I didn't get to see the box it was a surprise birthday present, like most birthday presents are. As for the rating it wasn't teen over here.

At that age I had no money either so I wasn't exactly checking magazines for it.
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2006, 09:59:17 AM »
So its more the fault of your parents and your country, and not necessarily the fault of Sierra.

Because in the US there were more than enough warnings posted.
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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 10:00:39 AM »
I was never blaming Sierra, or anyone for that matter.

Just stating that in my opinion they didn't give enough warnings.
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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2006, 10:02:46 AM »
Ahh, well you said "they" should have given a warning of some sort. I guess you weren't specific as to who "they" was. But obviously there were warnings that someone should have been able to read and tell you about. There were more than enough warnings...

The box is always the advertisement that tells about the content of the game inside, it warns anyone who may not be interested in certain types of content.

Also when I get surprise birthday presents the presents are still usually in the box, just wrapped in paper. So I could still read what was on the box if I cared to. So if your parents tossed the box away, and just gave you the disks? Well they tossed your warnings away apparently, obviously they didn't bother to read what was on the box...

Of course the manual has plenty of "warning" of the content of hte game as well. But let me guess they tossed the manual away as well?
« Last Edit: September 04, 2006, 10:12:40 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Why Should I Hate or Like Connor?
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2006, 10:14:49 AM »
I have the box and manual thank you very much. As for parents I only have a mother so stop saying parents.

I just tried to say my opinion without starting any trouble, but unfortunately it seems as though I have annoyed you. I'm sorry if I have but seriously just calm down.

I'm not going to continue to argue with you any further because I'm not in the mood to start a fight.
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