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Started by Storm, March 27, 2003, 05:25:33 PM

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Storm

WARNING!!!
This thread contains serious discussion that may be hazardous to your health!
If you are under 14, a fanatic of any religion/viewpoint, or have been awake for over 12 hours, You'll do best to avoid reading it without adult supervision or while holding sharp objects! ;D

Since some threads have been going off-off-topic to discuss politics, especially in view of the war in Iraq, I thought I'll start one just for politics, so that innocent people wouldn't have to read a political post without a proper warning. 8)

For now, I'll wait a while and if no one posts here, I'll post something really contraversial to annoy people into posting ;)
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Storm

I didn't say ALL those who oppose the war in Iraq are muslims. Some do so because they are are pacifists who oppose war in general, or just think that the USA should mind its own business and let the rest of the world kill itself, Like it did for the most of WW2 - then the US didn't enter the war until the attack on Pearl Harbor because they thought they shouldn't get involved in a European war, even though they knew jews were being slautered by the Nazies.
Even when the allied forces battled the Nazies at WW2, their first priority wasn't to bomb the death camps and hinder the Nazi efforts of destroying the jewish nation, but to secure more territory so that the Russians wouldn't get a hold of it. :(

This just goes to show that people will hardly ever fight to help others. I'm not fooling myself about the intentions of the US in this war - it's pretty obvious it's the oil they care about, like in the Gulf War. However, if they take down a tyrant who attacked my country in the process, you wouldn't see me crying over it ;)
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copycat

I'm pretty sure they won't take down Arafat, Storm. :-/  At least not in this campaign.
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Storm

I didn't mean Arafat... I meant Saddam. Arafat has little to do with the whole Iraqi situation, though the palestinians in the occupied territories are big fans of Saddam - he used to send money to families of suicide bombers, and bought himself many supporters there. :P

Lately we've been hearing very little of Arafat... I wonder if it's because the Israeli leadership declared him "Irrelevant" and now the media is following suit? :-/
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copycat

It's been several years since Iraq sent Scuds to Israel, since then Arafat has been more than a pain in the ass for Israel, so a little voice in me said: let's see if she meant 'Arafat'. :D

Nah, it's just because the media have focused all its resources on Iraq. Even if Arafat were now to announce an important message, it would have to be pretty important to surpass the Iraq-focus.
 
BTW, when are the coalition forces going to find Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?
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Storm

I bet they hope to find something soon... otherwise they might plant some or just say he smuggled it all to Seiria :P
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Kurdt

I'd like to see the US live up to its hype and actually allow people to freely choose their leader. If we put in an American puppet government, that might as well be just as bad as Saddam. Give the power back to the people and stop being the world's police, I say. Intervene only when necessary and not when business is threatened. God forbid J.D. Rockerfeller get another golden backscratcher.
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Ah, well, I guess you're a fan of both of the director's superheroes.
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Kurdt

HAHAH! Well, Superman is who I try to be, and Batman just looks really cool. 'Sides, Cesar's Batman avatar looks dumb and Jim Lee owns anything Ty Templeton could concieve.
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Oldbushie

Hey, the war ended!
I hope that's actually true, it would be a bummer if Saddam Hussein came back to reclaim his stuff.
I didn't hear anything till today because my roommate's been playing video games on the tv for three days straight. ;)
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copycat

No, Saddam is no longer on control. That does not mean the same as: the war has ended.
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Oldbushie

Yeah, I was talking to my dad, and he says there's two more cities left to control.
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Rosedragon

I agree with Kurt, the Iraqi should have the right to choose their own leader, I mean Bush claims this war is to free them from a tyrant. I'm not exactly against the war, but I'm not for it either. You can't stop wars, world peace is a dream, people are too different to get along permanently. I find it strange that some Iraqis support Saddam and seem to want him as their leader. I guess it's becasue they're brainwashed, and upset about the American invaders killing their people. How are we supposed to help the Iraqi nation if we kill their people, civilians, that just infuriates them. This war is far from over. Saddam is still out there. Once he and his son are dead, then things will calm down. I got sick of the news reports, I haven't watched news lately, so I'm a little out of the loop.


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copycat

QuoteOriginally posted by Dragonstar
Saddam is still out there.  Once he and his son are dead, then things will calm down.

I tend to disagree. The shi-ites (?sp) are organizing protest marches against the occupation of their land by US and UK-troops, whether Saddam be alive or dead. :-/

If they (US & UK) stay there much longer, they might be in for an unexpected surprise from them (shi-ites)... Indeed, leave Iraq for the Iraqis and (the US and the UK) get the troops out as fast as you can.
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Rosedragon

:'(  I wish we could just pull out of the middle east and have nothing to do with those people. But now we're end too deep. Oil, it's all the damn oil fault! I KNOW that scientist have come up with other fuels, like hydro, solar and eletric power for our cars. If the companies wanted to they could develope transportation that does not require oil, and stop our dependency on oil. but it's all about money, the oil fatcats don't want to be put out of business. I knew this war would cuase more problems. Why are muslims so militant? 'Course, I'd be pissed too if strangers came over to my country and bombed my house and killed my family.


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Storm

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copycat

I wonder, now have the US left Afghanistan yet? And besides, do we have a stable government in that country yet? (apart from Kabul itself and even then...)
Indeed, the shi-ite factions are slowly rallying their 'troops' to seize power in the Southern part of Iraq. The Kurds already have their troops in the North of Iraq. So the longer the US and UK stay there and tally (sp?) with the formation of a real (and stable, I grant you that) Iraqi government, it will get harder and harder to keep the country together.
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Storm

I don't know if the US is out of Afganistan yet, but I did say what I heard about the current regime in Afganistan on the religion thread.
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