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Started by Drunken Chinchilla, February 22, 2004, 06:43:44 PM

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lol.... Is there any stout hearted Christian out on this forum who agrees even somewhat with me? I feel out gunned here... If theres anyone here who believes even half of what Ive said... please give me a "yelp!" on this thread... My last post took 40 minutes to write and send.... and honestly, Im running out of reasons to continue... but... being the glutton for punishment I am... Ill try to answer the faith question...

...This aint an easy one either... and I used to wonder myself... Heres all I can say.

I was born into a the world with two loving parents, both Christians, who not only believed, but also showed it... they werent hypocritical.

They taught me to question and to think (didnt just drill rules into me) I learned several things real quick from my own observations (even in my childhood)

1. This world, as complex as it was, just couldnt have come about on its own... there HAD to have been someone involved in making it.

2. Humanity in everyway was flawed... I tried to not mess up and sin, but it happened on a daily basis... No one is perfect and everyone tends to do more bad than good... We are fallen and broken.

3. My parents and I were so blessed... Something they were doing HAD to be right and different from the rest of the mainstream world... Christianity (since it was the centerpiece to their lives) was the most likely candidate.

With that said, I trusted my life to Jesus Christ and slowly but surely, my doubts have been removed. I cant really explain much of this... its not something you can touch and examin. I simply know He is there... and I know He loves me... I've had so many things go right for me... and I could mention so many of His miracles and how He answered prayers... Heres a few that stick in my mind.

1) I prayed about a month ago for my best friend, Bekah about a certain situation going on in her life. The situation was resolved within five days. In fact, when she told me about it, she told me how it was resolved... an idea had come into her head, she tried it, and it worked... very miraculous (Trust me, its an idea no one would have "just come up with," I cant mention the situation, but it was serious and didnt look like it would end.)

2) My parents (whom are very trustworthy, BTW) were threatened at gunpoint by a stranger a few years before I was born. My dad suddenly, without any reason, told the man a joke, and he went away without robbing or hurting them, laughing... can anyone say, miracle?

3) Again, as I mentioned earlier, I should have died 8 days old... I didnt, the Dr said I should have, and I believe firmly it was a miracle.

Anyway, those are some key reasons why I believe in Christianity... It's been the key to my parent's joy and happiness, and its been a key to mine. Im no "koolade" drinker, and Im not saying all this just to impress anyone on my debating skills... Please listen to me on this... Christianity is the truth... He loves you, and I love you all as brother and sisters...  <3

Anyway, Im gonna cut back on this thread for a little bit, ok guys? This has been another 20 minute post... and it seems like im the only one who sees things this way on the forum... its wearing me out a little... so... God bless all of you, and I hope my posts here have meant something...  :)

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Yonkey

Just thought I'd jump in here real quick.  I agree with what both sides are saying here.  I've actually learned to stay out of controversial discussions because no side is 100% right.

As for the original topic, I don't believe magic exists and therefore cannot attribute it to good or evil.  I do believe in unexplained phenomena/miracles, but I also believe in causality, karma and things happening for a reason.  Since logic guides most, if not all, of my decisions, it's really difficult to define certain aspects of faith or religion because no one can "prove" God or Satan exists.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that if you don't feel like continuing you don't have to.  If you want to continue you may as well.  As long as the discussion doesn't turn into personal attacks or become circular (by this I mean the same arguments getting said over and over), it's fine by me.   ;D
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Jeysie

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Geez, I really talk too much. :P I think I've probably said enough to give y'all an idea of how I draw my personal conclusions about things (i.e. attempt to be relentlessly logical and cover as many possibilities as feasible ;) ), so I'll just everyone else babble on without me, at least unless I see a spot to post something *short*. ;)

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FataliOmega

Nope... not gonna get into it... to respond to all that would take an hour and a half... Im tired and just not gonna do it... Anyway, thanks for your insight Jeysie... its been fun  8)  God bless!

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Oldbushie

Ah. Me, I tend to be *very* concise with my personal rule set. Instead of memorizing all the laws, I just focus on the single law of love. Works for both government and religion in one fell blow, IMHO. ;)
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this thread official gives me a headache and Im way too lazy to read all that, so, erm cookies again anyone? :P


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I've only read a few posts to this topic and decided that I needed to reply to it.  I am a Southern Baptist preacher's daughter, who is a devout Christian myself, and I live in the Bible belt. (I know that I've just used some pretty tough words: southern baptist, preacher's daugher, and Bible belt!  lol).  I personally HAVE read the Harry Potter books and love them...my mother and sister have read them also!  I really don't see the problem with children reading these books if they do know the difference between fantasy and reality.

I am currently reading a book as a side note to a class that I'm taking right now where we're reading Lord of the Rings and the Harry Potter series (I have read both of these previously and my professer is a Christian).  The book is called "The Gospel According to Harry Potter" and is written by Connie Neal.  She proves the fact that a person can get whatever they want to out of the book.  She has found MANY references in the books that refer to Biblical Truths.  The funny thing with the references is that she's used some that people have previously said went against what the Bible says.  I have to say that I agree with her conclusions.  

I think that one reason that so many people support Lewis' and Tolkien's writings is that they openly and repeatedly declaired that they were Christians.  Rowling has openly said that she believes in God and she attends the Church of Scotland, but maybe she hasn't stated this as loudly as Lewis and Tolkien did.  Being a Christian, I do not see the problem of reading the books, as long as the reader (as I said earlier) realizes that the book is just fantasy, not actually reality.

I think this post has gotten long enough, but I was wanting to put my two cents in (although, I'm sure that I'm closer to a dollar now!  lol)

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koko_99_2001

Quote from: FataliOmega on February 27, 2004, 08:20:44 PM
lol.... Is there any stout hearted Christian out on this forum who agrees even somewhat with me? I feel out gunned here... If theres anyone here who believes even half of what Ive said... please give me a "yelp!" on this thread...


"yelp!"

I so agree with you FataliOmega!  I know I'm replying to my own post, but I just read more of the posts.  I thought I'd give FataliOmega some support.  My parents are also devout Christians (as mentioned before, my father is a Southern Baptist preacher).  About the premarital sex post, I agree with you whole-heartily...I am 20 years old and also a virgin, and intend for it to be that way until my wedding night.  I can't think of a more precious gift to give my husband than my virginity.  However, I do not condemn those who have had sex...my roommate here at school and I are best of friends, and she has slept with a former boyfriend.  

I also do not believe in the drinking of alcohol, but do not condemn those who do drink it.  I did not grow up around alcohol and was always taught that it was something God has taught us not to do.  (Also, a member of my family was an alcoholic and there are studies done that if someone in your family is an alcoholic, it is more likely that you, yourself, will be one, so my family and I stay away from it for that reason also).  Just in the last few weeks was I exposed to most of my friends in my major drinking...they were very sweet about it and asked me if it offended me.  Know what I said?  "No, because I was taught one thing while growing up, while everyone else in the room did not grow up in my family, so they were taught other things."  However, should my sister or brother come up to me and tell me that they are drinking, I'd be hugely disappointed in them, b/c I know what they were taught.

Hope no one was offended from this post.  Just stating something from my point of view...and yes, I do know that everyone has a different point of view.

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Quote from: Jeysie on February 27, 2004, 10:58:28 PM
I believe humanity itself is the truth. To be honest, I consider the question of whether or not God exists to be irrelevant. We can't live our lives thinking that some mysterious force will come in and save us if things go badly. We need to rely on ourselves and each other to build this world into a better place. Yes, if God does exist, He may pitch in to help, but is He going to do the work for us? I doubt it. As the saying goes, "God helps those who help themselves." Trust in yourself, trust in your fellow human being, do good deeds with your own hands, and the rest will fall into place as it will, there's nothing to be done other than your best. If God is up there, I'm sure He can take good care of Himself... right now it's humanity that needs our collective attention. (shrug)

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   I am a Christian and I enjoy the Harry Potter books.  It is just a fantasy and it is fun reading about good battling evil.  I also am amused how a boy can say Voldemort and almost everyone else is afraid to say his name.
  I just saw the Passion of Christ on Thursday night.  I suggest that everyone see it, except maybe not young children because it really has a lot of blood.  Talk about an intense movie.  I felt really physically drained after seeing the movie.  The cinematography was fantasic.
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  passion of Christ --- I did not want an emotion face -- sorry
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koko_99_2001

I so want to see the Passion of the Christ!  I'm probably going to wait until I go home and can see it with my parents...but my roommate told me that a box of tissues is needed!

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Oldbushie

You can edit posts yanno. ;)

I have not seen the Passion of Christ yet, perhaps when I get the free time. It certainly sounds like an interesting movie!
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   Trust me -- Interesting is certainly an understatement for this movie   ;)
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FataliOmega

Thanks Catherine :)

I had been going at it on this thread for a couple days straight and it was late... (and I have to admit, I was more than a little grouchy)... Hmm... more people seem to post on this thread when Jeysie and I shut up... It's probably better that way  ::) Hey, have any of you seen the Passion, and what did you guys think of it? (I havnt seen it yet)

Well, gotta go and get lunch... God Bless  ;D

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Jeysie

Quote from: FataliOmega on March 02, 2004, 11:45:24 AMHmm... more people seem to post on this thread when Jeysie and I shut up... It's probably better that way

Everybody always posts more when I shut up. :suffer:

Peace & Luv, Liz

Say

lol, well feel good with yourself jeysie, you can certainly admit you are the only and unique one that has beated me up in posts lenghts ever :P, and geez... lol you can keep that recognition Im sooo not even going to try to beat you up hahaha :D


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I occasionally go into the lengthy posts-area too, but not as often and not as long as Jeysie. However, with me, the written word is always more lengthy than the spoken word.

I'm totally sided with Jeysie on this issue, but I too believe everyone ie entitled to have their own opinions on these matters. To all and everyone, a good night from Flanders, Europe (11:30 PM).
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