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Started by Haids1987, August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM

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I've been playing The Princeless Bride over the past week and have noticed some oddities that need to be explained in that game.  Examples include:

-Where did the little girl (Spike, the one who wanted a battle axe) come from in the troll kingdom?  And where does she go when she storms off?  It's not like the area is very big...
-For that matter, where does Opie vanish to once you give him the jewel?  He goes behind the pillar and just disappears!
-Still in the troll kingdom...anyone else think it's weird that King Otar's throne is just hanging out in the middle of everything? 
-There are three graves beside the elevator in Oooga Booga Land when you first arrive that you can't read!  What is up with that?
-Lady Tsepish has cried her eyes out at least twice, as Doctor Cadaver tells Rosella.  Do you think that her eyes are restored once she is reunited with Count Tsepish?'
-Lord Attis won't leave Lady Ceres' side when you're Valanice, but as Rosella he's not there.  Where the heck is he that he'd stray from his "lady love?"
-Where are Oberon, Titania, and Malicia's wings?  They ARE fairies, right?
-When Malicia is given her second chance, will she grow up and remember everything that she did, or are her memories wiped clean?  (It'd be sweet if she was in TSL!)

If you think of any others in ANY King's Quest game, list 'em here.  I know the series is full of weird little quirks like this.  And if you have any possible answers, feel free to give these a whirl.

(Posted on: August 30, 2009, 10:17:43 PM)


I have a new one!  When you fill the maiden's pot with nectar, Attis comes from the opposite side of the riverto drink from it. How'd he get there?
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Well, I'm not sure if you're looking for explanations or not ::), but here goes an attempt at least... :P

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
I've been playing The Princeless Bride over the past week and have noticed some oddities that need to be explained in that game.  Examples include:

-Where did the little girl (Spike, the one who wanted a battle axe) come from in the troll kingdom?  And where does she go when she storms off?  It's not like the area is very big...
-For that matter, where does Opie vanish to once you give him the jewel?  He goes behind the pillar and just disappears!
-Still in the troll kingdom...anyone else think it's weird that King Otar's throne is just hanging out in the middle of everything? 
I tend to think of the Troll Kingdom/Vulcanix Underground that we see as being really only, say, the inside of the castle/royal dwellings. So, everyone we see either works in the castle or is a child of someone who works in the castle. They come and go from and to a larger troll society outside of the castle. Anyway, to this same end, there must be passages that we don't see, places we can't go because they don't serve a narrative purpose perhaps and would just offer a distraction (like the wrecked cart in town in KQ5: sure, Graham could move past it, but that would require animating and producing several more scenes that ultimately aren't necessary for the game. :P (though it's always nice to wonder what might have been... as in, maybe originally you could get past it and Graham would have had several more misadventures in town until someone pointed out that "the pacing was all wrong" and "doesn't he have a family to save?"

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-There are three graves beside the elevator in Oooga Booga Land when you first arrive that you can't read!  What is up with that?
huh... dunno...

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-Lady Tsepish has cried her eyes out at least twice, as Doctor Cadaver tells Rosella.  Do you think that her eyes are restored once she is reunited with Count Tsepish?'
They seem to be fine in the cut scene. :P

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-Lord Attis won't leave Lady Ceres' side when you're Valanice, but as Rosella he's not there.  Where the heck is he that he'd stray from his "lady love?"
The timing between chapters is a little awkward... I think this is after Attis has been restored but before Ceres has been... possibly, he's off saving Valanice from the swamp monster.

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-Where are Oberon, Titania, and Malicia's wings?  They ARE fairies, right?
...or for that matter, Lolotte, right? Actually, numerous cultures portray fairies as a wingless sort of nature spirits or a sort of "otherness" people who are more attuned to or integrated with nature. Oberon and Titania are regularly thought of as being wingless fairies who are otherworldly in some other way. ...other than that, maybe they only take them out on special occasions? :P

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-When Malicia is given her second chance, will she grow up and remember everything that she did, or are her memories wiped clean?  (It'd be sweet if she was in TSL!)
I've actually often wondered if she'd show up, and... who was babysitting for her while Oberon and Titania went to the Land of the Green Isles...

Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
When you fill the maiden's pot with nectar, Attis comes from the opposite side of the riverto drink from it. How'd he get there?
Occam's Razor, I'm afraid: He's a god. He can do as he pleases... even if he is a little shy about his teleportation. :P
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Hm, I've never thought about these, or even noticed most of them (it's been quite a while since I've played KQ7.) Though I have often wondered in KQ6 where the seven dwarf people came from. They march off down the forest, but when we go after them, there's no where they could have gone. They wouldn't have been allowed into Chessboard land I don't think, so it baffles me where they went.

I would hope that we can find out more about Malicia. I found her to be a rather convincing enemy. She at least had an evil laugh that was refreshing considering she was a witch. She wasn't green, she didn't have warts, and she was actually a witch all about fashion and making herself look good. She defied stereotypes... But anyway, if I think of anything more, I'll post it...
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Quote from: dark-daventry on August 31, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
She at least had an evil laugh that was refreshing considering she was a witch. She wasn't green, she didn't have warts, and she was actually a witch all about fashion and making herself look good. She defied stereotypes... But anyway, if I think of anything more, I'll post it...
Sorry to disappoint, but Malicia isn't a witch.  She's actually an evil fairy.   :(

As for the five senses dwarves...hmm, that's a good one.  Perhaps they know a safe way to get through the swamp.   ;D

(Posted on: August 31, 2009, 06:53:22 PM)


Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 03:07:57 PMOccam's Razor, I'm afraid: He's a god. He can do as he pleases... even if he is a little shy about his teleportation. :P
Okay, I'll accept that.  I guess he DOES teleport when he rescues Valanice from the swamp monster.  And as to where he is when Rosella walks past the tree...okay, I'll just say that he's in the middle of rescuing Valanice.  Good timing for Rosella to walk by.   :P

Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
I've actually often wondered if she'd show up, and... who was babysitting for her while Oberon and Titania went to the Land of the Green Isles...
Haha, weird to think that she requires a babysitter.  But good point....let's say that Genesta needed some pocket money.
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Drat, I thought she was a witch. Well, she seemed like it to me. But then again, I was a kid when I first played it and could hardly tell the difference. But thank you for pointing out that she was a fairy. I would not have known that otherwise.

For other weirdnessess, how about in KQ6 when with the dangling participle. How did it get all the way over to the isle of the beast without a magic map. Perhaps it used the ferry, but that still seems unlikely to me for some reason...

OH I GOT ONE! How about when the Genie eats the mints in the pawn shop? How does that get one seemingly drunk?
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Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on August 31, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
She at least had an evil laugh that was refreshing considering she was a witch. She wasn't green, she didn't have warts, and she was actually a witch all about fashion and making herself look good. She defied stereotypes... But anyway, if I think of anything more, I'll post it...
Sorry to disappoint, but Malicia isn't a witch.  She's actually an evil fairy.   :(

As for the five senses dwarves...hmm, that's a good one.  Perhaps they know a safe way to get through the swamp.   ;D

(Posted on: August 31, 2009, 06:53:22 PM)


Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 03:07:57 PMOccam's Razor, I'm afraid: He's a god. He can do as he pleases... even if he is a little shy about his teleportation. :P
Okay, I'll accept that.  I guess he DOES teleport when he rescues Valanice from the swamp monster.  And as to where he is when Rosella walks past the tree...okay, I'll just say that he's in the middle of rescuing Valanice.  Good timing for Rosella to walk by.   :P

Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
I've actually often wondered if she'd show up, and... who was babysitting for her while Oberon and Titania went to the Land of the Green Isles...
Haha, weird to think that she requires a babysitter.  But good point....let's say that Genesta needed some pocket money.
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Quote from: Boogeyman on September 02, 2009, 01:33:25 AM
Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on August 31, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
She at least had an evil laugh that was refreshing considering she was a witch. She wasn't green, she didn't have warts, and she was actually a witch all about fashion and making herself look good. She defied stereotypes... But anyway, if I think of anything more, I'll post it...
Sorry to disappoint, but Malicia isn't a witch.  She's actually an evil fairy.   :(

As for the five senses dwarves...hmm, that's a good one.  Perhaps they know a safe way to get through the swamp.   ;D

(Posted on: August 31, 2009, 06:53:22 PM)


Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 03:07:57 PMOccam's Razor, I'm afraid: He's a god. He can do as he pleases... even if he is a little shy about his teleportation. :P
Okay, I'll accept that.  I guess he DOES teleport when he rescues Valanice from the swamp monster.  And as to where he is when Rosella walks past the tree...okay, I'll just say that he's in the middle of rescuing Valanice.  Good timing for Rosella to walk by.   :P

Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
I've actually often wondered if she'd show up, and... who was babysitting for her while Oberon and Titania went to the Land of the Green Isles...
Haha, weird to think that she requires a babysitter.  But good point....let's say that Genesta needed some pocket money.
Gnomes, not dwarves.

gnomes, dwarfs, they're all the same to me lol.
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Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
I've actually often wondered if she'd show up, and... who was babysitting for her while Oberon and Titania went to the Land of the Green Isles...
Haha, weird to think that she requires a babysitter.  But good point....let's say that Genesta needed some pocket money.

*has been resisting saying this* Come on! Sure she's a baby now, but she did try to set off the volcano and destroy all of Etheria! If she doesn't need a babysitter, who does? :P

as for the gnomes/dwarves thing:
gnomes are generally skinnier, possibly less bearded, and often smaller than dwarves... but I'm pretty sure the game calls them gnomes anyway. :P
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Haids1987

What about in Quest for the Crown, when you guess the (dwarf?  gnome?)'s name, he gives you magic beans, but when you DON'T guess his name...he gives you magic beans?!  Double you tee eff?
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Rosella

When you don't guess his name, he gives you a key to the door in the cave, actually. XP
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Does he?  :-\ I just played the updated version just last week and I'm pretty sure all he gaves me was beans when I guessed his name. 
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Yeah, guessing his name means you get the beans (which give you the beanstalk, which is, IMO, far worse than the cave XP) and failing gets you a key to a cave where you have to climb the stairs. Theoretically, it's the same cave/stairs you have to climb in KQ3 when Alexander finally makes it to Daventry (it still leads to the clouds, after all). In the cave, not only are the stairs treacherous (I believe) but there's something in there that steals something from you or kills you (one of those random encounters like the witch or werewolf).
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You encounter the dwarf in there (hope you still have the ring from the elf).
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Hrmm... the beanstalk is a pain to climb... but you get more points for it... so in the end you have to ask yourself: what kind of ruler does Daventry want? The practical one that took the stairs? Or the guy who has to act out some Jack and the Beanstalk fantasy from childhood? :P (Though, I suppose, given that they'll have the magic chest (economic stability) and the magic shield (peace and tranquility through not being able to lose a war), in the end, it doesn't really matter :P)...

Is KQ1 also the last KQ in which the "more points path" is also more difficult? The only other instance of this I can think of is KQ6, and that may be debatable... not sure... it's certainly more involved to go the Land of the Dead path... but XD I've done the other path so rarely I'm not sure how "difficult" it might be... I mean, come on, given the choice to visit the Land of the Dead or dress in drag which are you going to pick? XD XD
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The ending sucks if you choose the Beauty's Clothes path in the sixth game.  I hate how depressing and somber it is.
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Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-There are three graves beside the elevator in Oooga Booga Land when you first arrive that you can't read!  What is up with that?
huh... dunno...

They ran out of silly limericks? ;P

Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
-Lady Tsepish has cried her eyes out at least twice, as Doctor Cadaver tells Rosella.  Do you think that her eyes are restored once she is reunited with Count Tsepish?'
They seem to be fine in the cut scene. :P
Dr. Cadaver must have popped them back in. Obviously, he had to do it the first time so she can cry them out again :P

Quote from: Delling on August 31, 2009, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on August 31, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
When you fill the maiden's pot with nectar, Attis comes from the opposite side of the riverto drink from it. How'd he get there?
Occam's Razor, I'm afraid: He's a god. He can do as he pleases... even if he is a little shy about his teleportation. :P
Eh, he's a deer, isn't it more logical to assume he just jumped over the dry river? Besides, he probably didn't have any god-powers while  cursed - otherwise, what's the point of cursing him in the firstplace?
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Quote from: Storm on September 05, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Dr. Cadaver must have popped them back in. Obviously, he had to do it the first time so she can cry them out again :P
I don't think so.  He says something about how he is running out of spare eyeballs, so he must have given her a couple extra sets.  I was thinking that, if he did that, were her eyes replaced with her own once she was reunited with the Count?
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Rosella

Well, Count Tsepish got his face back (which included eyeballs!). The thing is, Lady Tsepish was described as horrifically ugly (in fact, you die if you look at her), and she was clearly quite beautiful when she was reunited with her husband. I find it pretty safe to assume that the reuniting of Count Tsepish with his head broke some sort of curse that allowed him to have a head again, and Lady Tsepish to become beautiful (and eye-ful :P) again.
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Quote from: Rosella on September 06, 2009, 09:24:28 AM
I find it pretty safe to assume that the reuniting of Count Tsepish with his head broke some sort of curse that allowed him to have a head again, and Lady Tsepish to become beautiful (and eye-ful :P) again.
Fair enough.   ;D
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