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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2010, 09:20:04 PM »
But it's just so much easier to make Shadrack the leader. I mean, when you have "shad" in your name, making it so close to "shadow", you're kind of portrayed as really dark.

Though, now that you mention it, we don't really have any reason to believe that he's above Mordack. Though, he sure seems to think he is--especially in chess.
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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2010, 09:56:29 PM »
Mordack, "Mor" as in Moria, Mordor, Morgoth.

= Bad, Black, Evil.

Way worse than "Shadow".

I don't think Shadow when I hear Shadrack :p...

I think "Shadrack, Meshack, and Abednego" from the bible. Those who survived the fiery furnace.

Hmm, "Shadrack, Mordack, and Alhazred" is it a loose pun?
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2010, 10:23:42 PM »
I seem to recall an interview somewhere with either Roberta or Jane where the Black Cloak Society was mentioned in a question and whoever it was (I honestly don't remember which one of the two it was who was being interviewed) stated that the Black Cloak Society was a potential storyline thread for a future game that was left alone... and was basically put into KQ6 to provide some kind of hook to said future game. 

Obviously this future game was never realized and so the thread that exists in KQ6 is the only reference to the society.  It's an unresolved plot device as far as the official games go.... not even the Sierra designers had much of an idea as to what the Black Cloak Society was all about.  I imagine if things had turned out differently and the infamous "Black Monday" had never occured, this might have been resolved by an official KQ game... but then there probably wouldn't be TSL... so go figure.

I'm sure Baggins could probably dig up the interview I am referring to...
 
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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2010, 10:29:36 PM »
The Quote is at the bottom of the Society of the Black Cloak article;

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The Black Cloak Society was one of the ideas created by one of the King's Quest designers other than Roberta Williams;

"The "Black Cloak Society" was never an actual term that I instigated or thought up. I'm not actually sure where that came from. The closest thought that I have on that subject is that: when I was working with Jane Jensen on King's Quest 6, and we thought up the evil vizier, we talked loosely about the possibility of putting Mannanan, Mordack, and the vizier together as group -- possibly -- in a future King's Quest. There was loose reference to the possibility in King's Quest 6, although nothing was set in stone at that time. I think that it's possible that Jane Jensen might have mentioned the possibility (perhaps) in subsequent interviews on the subject, although, I'm not sure about that. Later on, I heard about the Black Cloak Society and kind of wondered where that phrase came from, but, I never refuted it as I thought it was kind of cool and, probably, would have gone on with the idea in future King's Quests had I had the chance. And, one final thing: Hagatha was never part in any discussion of a Black Cloak Society.
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So ya, basically Roberta had little to do with it, and never really had any concrete plans to do anything with it. It was mainly Jane Jensen's pet idea apparently. Jane Jenson stopped making King's Quest games after KQ6.

Reading into Roberta's intent, it seems she didn't even remember the idea for the "future game" actually made it into KQ6. It seems it wasn't even an idea Roberta intended to put into KQ6. So KQ6 kinda morphed into that "future game".

She never did anything with it in KQ7 and MOE, its unclear when she heard about the idea again, and thought of what she would have done with it in 'hindsight', had she had the chance to make more games in the series (likely post MOE).
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2010, 11:39:39 PM »
The Quote is at the bottom of the Society of the Black Cloak article;

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The Black Cloak Society was one of the ideas created by one of the King's Quest designers other than Roberta Williams;

"The "Black Cloak Society" was never an actual term that I instigated or thought up. I'm not actually sure where that came from. The closest thought that I have on that subject is that: when I was working with Jane Jensen on King's Quest 6, and we thought up the evil vizier, we talked loosely about the possibility of putting Mannanan, Mordack, and the vizier together as group -- possibly -- in a future King's Quest. There was loose reference to the possibility in King's Quest 6, although nothing was set in stone at that time. I think that it's possible that Jane Jensen might have mentioned the possibility (perhaps) in subsequent interviews on the subject, although, I'm not sure about that. Later on, I heard about the Black Cloak Society and kind of wondered where that phrase came from, but, I never refuted it as I thought it was kind of cool and, probably, would have gone on with the idea in future King's Quests had I had the chance. And, one final thing: Hagatha was never part in any discussion of a Black Cloak Society.
- Roberta Williams at SierraGamers (6-9-2003)


So ya, basically Roberta had little to do with it, and never really had any concrete plans to do anything with it. It was mainly Jane Jensen's pet idea apparently. Jane Jenson stopped making King's Quest games after KQ6.

Reading into Roberta's intent, it seems she didn't even remember the idea for the "future game" actually made it into KQ6. It seems it wasn't even an idea Roberta intended to put into KQ6. So KQ6 kinda morphed into that "future game".

She never did anything with it in KQ7 and MOE, its unclear when she heard about the idea again, and thought of what she would have done with it in 'hindsight', had she had the chance to make more games in the series (likely post MOE).

Perhaps Jane Jensen should've taken up the mantel of writing KQ7, 8, etc.  She seemed to have a much more concrete vision for the series and where it should go and might've even been better continuity wise with the previous games--Remember she wrote all of the text and dialgue of KQ6 and quite a bit of it makes in-jokes about previous KQ games, for example the "Death Bogs of Tamir" death reference.

 I've read in one of the old InterAction issues that Roberta wanted to hand off the series to another designer after KQ5 anyway as she felt she had run out of ideas. And Roberta didn't evn really have much to do with KQ7 outside of some basic story ideas (It says the game was written by Lorelei Shannon based on characters by Roberta Williams; It doesn't mention Roberta as the writer at all) and Roberta is credited as second producer and third on the list of KQ7's directors.

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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2010, 08:19:42 AM »
Mordack, "Mor" as in Moria, Mordor, Morgoth.

= Bad, Black, Evil.

Way worse than "Shadow".

I don't think Shadow when I hear Shadrack :p...

I think "Shadrack, Meshack, and Abednego" from the bible. Those who survived the fiery furnace.

Hmm, "Shadrack, Mordack, and Alhazred" is it a loose pun?

Huh. I've heard of that bible story before, but I never tried working Mordack and Alhazred into it for a pun...

Maybe it could act as foreshadowing, how they'll all survive... something fiery?

(Mordack was something fiery. Maybe he survived...)
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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2010, 08:33:02 AM »
On a side note, Shadrack's nickname is "Shade" which would be a bit different than "Shadow". It would imply he is more ghost like.
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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2010, 09:28:29 AM »
I don't get the implication that he is more ghostlike when I hear the nickname shade. When I hear shade I get the same as shadow only a bit more elusive.
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Re: Interesting Tidbits about King's Quest
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2010, 04:44:12 PM »
Well, it really just depends on what definition of shade was actually intended, the mythological definition of Shade (a supernatural being), or the "blocking of light" or a combination of the above. There probably is a touch of reference to Darkness and "black cloak" (that was probably Eluki bes shahar's intention when she wrote the KQ6 novel).

Actually Shade doesn't particularly scare me in the usual definition of the term. Its a nice cool place to hide, in sweltering weatherl. ;) :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: Unless of courses its 100 degrees in the shade, then its just horrible....
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg