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Offline B'rrr

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Well, actually did find this quote from Roberta;

With respect to Hagatha [being related to Manannan and Mordack]: Roberta's answer was, "Would you like them to be related?" Then she said, "Nope, Hagatha was her own separate person

Guess the KQ companion is wrong, as it beeing wrong it can not be bart of this "canonical" shizzle, now, can it?  ::) ;)
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There are plenty of situations where the King's Quest Companion differs from Roberta's vision of the universe, or what's sometimes said in the games. Usually only slightly, but a major case in point is the cosmology of the universe, every manual, has stated that the games take place a long time ago, and have been several articles treating it as a legendary past of our world. The quote in the bottom of my post represents this specifically.  

But then Sierra and other King's Quest designers bypassed her, and allowed the information into Sierra published games, for example the whole Hagatha is Mordack's and Manannan's sister made it into the King's Quest Collections in the King's Questions trivia game that came with the 15th anniversery King's Quest Collection and the King's Quest Collection 2.

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Which one of the following evil people is not related to the others?

a. Endora

b. Manannan

c. Hagatha

d. Mordack


Here are the various answers (note specifically what it says if you make the wrong answers);

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a. Endora
That's right! Endora is related to Samantha, Darren, and Tabitha.
b. Manannan
That is incorrect. Manannan is Hagatha and Mordack's brother.
c. Hagatha
No. Hagatha is Mordack and Manannan's sister.
d. Mordack
Sorry. Mordack is related to Manannan and Hagatha.

I don't have an idea how people would be able to answer that question correctly without having read the companion (unless the answer is hidden somewhere among some of the extra material included in the King's Quest Collection), or knows Betwitched trivia. But certainly within the King's Quest adventure games alone, there is nothing stating Hagatha is the evil Wizard brothers' sister, neither do games state that she is not their sister. So technically there is no contradiction between the games, including King's Questions (and the Companion) on the issue.

Quite a few desigers/sierra authors, including KQ6 directly referenced the Companion... I mean it was Derek Karlavaegen who wrote the Guidebook to the Land of the Green Islands, not 'John the Wanderer'.

The Shield of Achille/s, Merlin's Mirror, and Chest of Gold made it into Sierra published material, when those were names created in the Companions.

...and while Derek Karlavaegen says the world is "Earth" in the Guidebook, have you also noticed he makes indirect reference to the "multiverse", he talks about Green Isles being in an area that is close to the edge of the world, and what lies beyond? "The next world", and the title of that section makes a reference "Other Worlds". Other World was Peter Spear's name for our "Earth". So it seems Jane Jensen pulled some inspiration from the Companion, although she still followed Roberta's cosmology that her universe itself is actually on our Earth.

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It was as if the storm had been another flood that had wiped civilization from the face of the Earth.

Genies are very valuable creatures and can do a variety of tricks including transporting a man anywhere on earth.

Hidden Islands and Other Worlds

For it is believed that within a day's sail in that direction a ship strong enough and foolhardy enough to survive the tempest seas would encounter the edge of the world!

"What lies beyond the edge of the world," I asked "why, the next world." they replied, and with fearful glances at one another, quickly changed the subject.

And to quote the Ferryman, Hassan;
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"Some say that the Land of the Green Isles is near the edge of the world, and that the deadly currents are the result of a magnetism that sucks life from this world to the next...

Lorelei Shannon by far is probably one of the biggest people to treat the companion as "canon" in that she routinely referenced bits of it in the official published Sierra hintbooks for King's Quest, for example in the King's Quest VI Hintbook, and the King's Quest VII Hint Guide, Things like Lake Maylie for example made it into an article in KQ6 hintbook.

Besides the King's Questions, material from the Companions also appears in the Inside the Chest, and The Royal Scribe material from the King's Quest Collections as well. Sierra also published material from the book in the Interaction Magazine (see Sierra News Magazine, Autumn 1989 for example).

So there is a certainly a blurring or a grey area with the Companion. Obviously the various Sierra's inhouse designers and writers had different opinions of what was "canon" and not :p... Let's face it Roberta didn't really know everything her designers put into KQ6 either, she apparently had very little to do with the Black Cloak side story.

However, as for Hagatha, she was never considered as part of the Society of the Black Cloak in Jane and Roberta's discussions for the group. Manannan was, but he is never actually brought up in any of the Society of Black Cloak related material in King's Quest 6 (unless its in some random narrator dioalogue I've overlooked somewhere).

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"The "Black Cloak Society" was never an actual term that I instigated or thought up. I'm not actually sure where that came from. The closest thought that I have on that subject is that: when I was working with Jane Jensen on King's Quest 6, and we thought up the evil vizier, we talked loosely about the possibility of putting Mannanan, Mordack, and the vizier together as group -- possibly -- in a future King's Quest. There was loose reference to the possibility in King's Quest 6, although nothing was set in stone at that time. I think that it's possible that Jane Jensen might have mentioned the possibility (perhaps) in subsequent interviews on the subject, although, I'm not sure about that. Later on, I heard about the Black Cloak Society and kind of wondered where that phrase came from, but, I never refuted it as I thought it was kind of cool and, probably, would have gone on with the idea in future King's Quests had I had the chance. And, one final thing: Hagatha was never part in any discussion of a Black Cloak Society.
- Roberta Williams at SierraGamers (6-9-2003)


See also
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Daventry

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/The_Royal_Scribe

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/The_Royal_Scribe#King.27s_Quest_Series

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/The_Royal_Scribe#King.27s_Quest_I:_Quest_for_the_Crown

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/King%27s_Questions

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_the_Chest

« Last Edit: July 19, 2010, 05:25:55 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Baggins, I thought Lake Maylie was mentioned in the official source material for KQ1 and KQ3 -- which would be before the Companion?

I think the reason Manannan was never brought into discussion of the Black Cloak Society in the games is because, unless they have a feline chapter (:P) he probably had not been a member for too long to really be considered in it all.
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No, you just get a "It's a beautiful lake description" (it is a different description than each of the other lakes however, but it isn't given a name), :P.... Lake Maylie is purely King's Quest Companion, as is the name of Queen Maylie. She's just Edward's dead queen in KQ1.

and lake Maylie doesn't appear in KQ2 and 3 :p, you are in Kolyma and Llewdor for those games, and do not even get near the lake in KQ3 when you return to daventry. Its behind the castle remember?.

The only other reference I know of to "Lake Maylie" outside of the Companions is the one in the KQ6 hintbook.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2010, 06:05:58 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Not in the game, the materials for the game. I was pretty sure Lake Maylie and Queen Maylie were named in the original manuals that came with them. In KQ1 the manual describes the queen's death and I believe she was given a name. In KQ3, Alexander is kidnapped from the shores of Lake Maylie, and I think the manual called it that.
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No, the KQ1-4 manuals do not refer to any lakes.

and the queen is just Edward's queen or Edward's wife. She has no name, go look at the manuals on teh King's Quest Omnipedia, they are all there. The queen isn't even mentioned in the game.

There is a mention about Graham going out for a walk in KQ5 manual possibly near "a lake" but no name is given, and that's post companion of course.

For that matter, the queen only actually appears in the second version of the manual, she was not even mentioned original manual.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2010, 09:19:09 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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A silly question:

Can there be a Timer Countdown for when Episode 2 comes.

Will there be a New Trailer for Episode 2, or does the Trailers we saw cover All the Episodes.

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The timer countdown before was for the game release being announced, not really much point to having a timer counting for the actual release of the next episode, people will just want to know what day it is.

And the trailer for Episode 2 plays at the end of Episode 1 doesn't it?  It should have given you a link.
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No i meant like a Brand New Trailer  Again :P

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Seriously i've mentioned this in the other thread, but I don't think most of the reviewers, actually read the forums, I don't think they even know of this thread... This isn't mentioned on the game website, description, or download pages. It seems from their perspective they only see the glowing description promising a fun episode to play.

I think that's causing a disconnect...
« Last Edit: July 23, 2010, 12:27:52 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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No i meant like a Brand New Trailer  Again

This I'm not sure about.
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We haven't talked about another trailer for Episode 2 yet, but knowing Cesar and how much he loves making those things, I'm guessing there'll be one at some point :) (*but don't hold me to it!)

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Now this is exciting.

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Is there any chance of publishing a release schedule?  I am busy downloading chapter 1, but is so excited that the legend is reborn again and that this could be the start again of the KQ series, the SQ and PQ series as well.  I do not mind paying for any of the coming chapters, as long as they keep coming!!

I like your way of thinking. Would love to see another Sonny Bonds game...no L.A. Detective stuff or S.W.A.T. and another Roger misadventure...possibly with Josh somehow involved.

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