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Questions about (long) narrations!

Started by Cez, July 16, 2010, 03:35:25 AM

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oberonqa

Let's keep it nice and civil folks... I would really hate to see this thread get locked because some people can't express themselves in a civil manner.
 
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Fierce Deity

I don't know if I would fit into the majority or the minority on this issue, but my opinion is probably also biased because of the fact that I am a KQ veteran. I like the story, the dialogue, the characters, etc. So the narration is a crucial element for me. I can understand why someone would want to skip these scenes of 'useless' information, but if they truly don't want to hear/see the narration, they can just skip it. If they don't want to hear the narration, they can skip it. I just don't think the issue is so great that it would require its own mode, and it may not even appeal to those who don't want a full explanation. If someone doesn't want to hear about Captain Saladin's ancestry, I don't think a shorter version would peak their interest any more so.
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Hituro

Quote from: Cez on July 17, 2010, 05:30:26 PM
And with that said, I'm taking a step back from the community. I'll still keep an eye on it, post information, and maybe reply to a couple of topics, but I think I understand why normally creators do not directly get involved with the community.

So, I'll be down in my corner working to get a game into your hands!

Cez

Cez, Keep the game how it is.  This is coming from a community member that doesn't like the long narrations.  But in all reality, this is your game not mine.  And even though everyone might not like every little detail about things, we still all love it.  Besides, I think I'd rather play with the full narration only because I don't want to miss out on anything.  I appreciate you taking the time to consider adjusting to make everyone happy, but in reality this is your masterpiece, not ours.  I've always learned that people tend to nit pick at everything :)  No game is 100% perfect, but it can still be 100% enjoyable :)  Besides, I wanna play episode 2 sooner than later XD

daventry

What Fierce Deity said, dont change because the Community Complains, Episode 1 is Perfect. ;D ;D ;D

Kimmie

Every member of the forum has the right to express their own opinion!

Simply clicking your mouse to stop the narration is a fast and easy way to solve your problem.

Re-recording everything would add extra waiting time for the fans who would really just like to play the next few episodes, the team cannot please everyone and they do listen to comments and try to take them on board the best way they can.
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StormSpirit86

Why all that negativity? It's just a game and we are all part of the same community...

I think Ep1 is good but far from perfect, and I also think that it might have been over-hyped, but there seems to be a lot of rage-charged comments towards this project, and most of those are coming from the adventure gaming community, which is a shame. There's a line between constructive criticism and simple and plain insults which some people don't seem to be able to recognize.
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Baggins

There there is a difference between negativity and people attempting to give constructive criticism.

You can't please everyone, and people will have mixed opinions.
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Cat1

The problem with just clicking through the long narrations is that we are clicking on something to get info on it - we don't know whether we are going to get useful info or just an annoying monologue until we've already listened to it!  So just clicking through them isn't really an option either in my opinion.  I would definitely be willing to wait for you to get more subtle narrator lines recorded, but at the same time I can see that this would be really difficult to achieve, so guess I might just have to put up with the current ones.

That said, thanks so much for taking so much time to make this game - other than the narration and the fact that it kept crashing I really enjoyed it and will definitely be playing the others!!

B'rrr

I agree on that actually (even though I enjoy the 'long' narrations), the comment 'just click through it' is really not helpfull and kinda a way to say that you don't care about the issue people have with it. But Cat1, they said they might implement shorter narrations for those that like (as mentioned in the opening post of this thread) so you don't have to put up with the current ones  ;)
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Fierce Deity

I just don't think the issue is that severe to rerecord and implement another "version" of the game. If you want to hear what the narrator has to say, I would imagine one could muster up the patience to hear it through to the end. If you aren't that interested, you can skip it. If you think you are missing something by skipping it, then you can listen to the full narration. I might be missing something from this, but it's not as complex as people are making it out to be.  :-\
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Baggins

I would actually be happier to have a non-snarky mode, that just turns of the more redicilous fourth wall breaking narrations.

I'm absolutey fine with the ones that are there to add to the story.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Goldenfoxx

Didn't the earlier voice-enabled KQ games have a Voice/Text button?  I seem to recall that they did (probably because sound cards weren't overly common at the time of KQ5 or 6 yet), but it seems to me that the option to turn on a text description of a clicked item could solve a lot of this debacle.

The Hero

Quote from: Goldenfoxx on July 18, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
Didn't the earlier voice-enabled KQ games have a Voice/Text button?  I seem to recall that they did (probably because sound cards weren't overly common at the time of KQ5 or 6 yet), but it seems to me that the option to turn on a text description of a clicked item could solve a lot of this debacle.
I agree if you dont like em turn em off :)

KatieHal

Goldenfoxx--that option does exist in the Audio Options menu already.

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Cat1

Quote from: B'rrr on July 18, 2010, 05:11:11 PM
I agree on that actually (even though I enjoy the 'long' narrations), the comment 'just click through it' is really not helpfull and kinda a way to say that you don't care about the issue people have with it. But Cat1, they said they might implement shorter narrations for those that like (as mentioned in the opening post of this thread) so you don't have to put up with the current ones  ;)

Yeah, I can see that they are listening to the feedback and trying to achieve a solution, which is great!  However I'm not sure that just cutting out most of the narrative is going to fix it - as Flubly said on page 1 and KuroShiro on page 2 - that might just make them dry and detract from the character of the game. 

For instance, to take the vase narrative as an example, I quite like the back-story idea here, but I just feel like it doesn't say it succinctly - everything is spelled out too obviously.  Just off the top of my head, something like "these antique vases were a present from Cassima's Grandfather to her mother" when you look at it, and "careful Graham, remember that you're in someone else's castle" when you try to touch it, would have been economical but still interesting.  If it's shortened to "these vases are fine antiquities indeed", as suggested by Cez, it loses all the character.  I'd probably be more inclined to play with the long narration option rather than risk the game becoming boring and dry.

However it's not a huge issue for me - I love KQ enough to sit through hours of annoying narrative!  So if you don't choose to fix it I will still be downloading the next episode, and anticipating that playing it will be the highlight of my day!  And as I said, overall I love the game - the writing is really my only big issue.  I'm just giving this criticism because in my opinion it could really improve the game if you worked on this, and I think that after all the work you guys have put in it deserves to be the best it could be  :)

daventry

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I wonder if the Narration is the Only Big Issue in the Episodes, this means that the TSL Team are pushing the Next Episodes for a Longer Release to Shorten the Talkie and we will probably get Episode 2 by October and Episode 3 in January if this is All People Complain about.  :P

I just read in Another Thread that the Narrator is the New Cedric from KQ5, Seriously.  ??? ??? ???

I watched a Youtube Video of Cedric and then Listening to the Narrator again, that Bird Must Die.  :suffer:

I Love listening to the Narrator, the Only Weirdness that i have with her is that its a Girl's Voice when Most Games have Narrators of a Man.  ;D ;D

Are we gonna get a Patch to Shorten the Narrator for Episode 1 and Why exactly, if its to Resolve some Minor Issues and Bugs that is.  :-\ :-\

spinz

Yeah the cedric comparison is totally unfair. I played through kq5 with voices, and i regretted it everytime i heard cedric. Waaay not fair comparison.

daventry

I wonder if the Narriator and this Person are the Same, they Almost sound the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbdIDCjx3g

koko_99_2001

Quote from: daventry on July 19, 2010, 03:49:41 AM
I wonder if the Narriator and this Person are the Same, they Almost sound the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbdIDCjx3g

No, they are not. If you look, the woman's name is Lauren...our narrator is Amy Kurylo. :)
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daventry

Does she read this Forum and is she a Member here, have she played All of the Episodes.