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Why in the Green Isles?

Started by TheReturnofDMD, July 19, 2010, 02:22:17 AM

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TheReturnofDMD

This may be a silly question,
But I have to ask--Why are Edgar and Rosella getting married in the Green Isles? It just seems to me that logically the Bride and Groom would be getting married in either one of their parents' Kingdoms, Etheria and Daventry, seeing as they may turn out to be the future rulers of either. Just logically, it doesn't make sense for them to have it in the Green Isles--A land which has no direct connection as royalty or as bride and groom to either of them.

daventry

#1
Apparently the Creators of the Game Chose The Green Isles, since it was the Most Famous Game of the Series.

In the KQ Omnepedia, it is said that Rosella gets Married in Daventry, but The Green Isles is the Most Memorable, so thats where the Game starts off now.

They Cannot stay long in Etheria, since Time moves Faster and they would get Older very quickly. So in the World of Daventry, a Day Later Rosella will be 80 Years Old already.

In the end, Edward and Rosella will Rule Daventry.

Besides, why not Celebrate the Birthday of Rosella and Alexander in a Land that is as Magical as Etheria.

Baggins

No, in the KQC, it doesn't say specifically where she would get married (she is afterall just started dating Edgar). It however, says that she returned to Daventry to live there, and will probably occasionally visit the other world of Eldritch to see Edgar, and will probably marry Edgar. It also says Edgar would be visiting Rosella at her home in Daventry. It does imply however due to time dilation that occurs between Eldritch and Daventry, she would probably spend most of her time in Daventry (otherwise she would be aging faster than her family). Derek Karlavaegen points out that he has never actually seen her leave the castle, and thus he doesn't believe that events of KQ7 actually took place (this is another affect of that time dilation most likele). From Daventr's perspective only half hour to an hour had passed in Daventry while Valanice and Rosella were in Eldritch (for a day or two)

So more than likely she would either marry in Daventry or Eldritch, based on its information, however, she would live in Daventry to avoid aging past her parents.

Roberta even had the idea that Rosella would ahve been seen in the castle in Mask of Eternity, but they cut most of the castle out, limiting it to the throne room.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

darthkiwi

In the canonical ending of KQ6, Alexander suggests to his family that, although the Green Isles are far from Daventry, visiting each other will be relatively easy with the help of the genie. I assumed that the family decided to combine the wedding and a family get-together in one event, with Alexander as host.

Also, if Rosella took a liking to the Green Isles while she was there at the end of KQ6, it's possible she'd want to get married there, I guess.
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I think this was from the Four Winds, so I don't think it should be taken as a serious explanation, but Rosella was avoiding Daventry because of the cataclysmic events from MoE. I don't know if Phoenix is ignoring the story of Mask of Eternity, or if they are just trying to work around it from where they stand. So if Eldritch/Etheria would mess with the time frame between the worlds and Daventry was recovering from Lucreto's wrongdoing, it would make sense for Rosella (as well as the royal families) to find a safe haven in King Alexander's realm. I just don't know how long TSL will take place after MoE, because obviously King Graham is fully healed from his condition and felt that it was appropriate to leave Daventry for the wedding.

The real reason was that Phoenix knew how popular KQ6 was and chose that place as a good start for the game. But I'm sure there can be an explanation for it, if not, then we just remember that this game is fanmade and non-canonical.  ;)  
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Baggins

#5
QuoteIn the canonical ending of KQ6, Alexander suggests to his family that, although the Green Isles are far from Daventry, visiting each other will be relatively easy with the help of the genie. I assumed that the family decided to combine the wedding and a family get-together in one event, with Alexander as host.

The specific quote is that he will be able to continue to visit Daventry, with the genie's help, as I recall. So the primary aspect of it was Alexander going to Daventry, rather than the family coming to the Green Isles all the time. The King's Quest Companion and King's Questions took the route that its Alexander that primarily visits Daventry, as well (rather than the family visiting the Green Isles).

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/King%27s_Questions

I think Roberta took that route, since the game series primarily took place starting from Daventry, she would be able to show Alexander in future games, if she continued to design them. She could avoid having to recreate the Green Isles in future games, and stick with the primary hub of Daventry.

QuoteI think this was from the Four Winds, so I don't think it should be taken as a serious explanation, but Rosella was avoiding Daventry because of the cataclysmic events from MoE. I don't know if Phoenix is ignoring the story of Mask of Eternity, or if they are just trying to work around it from where they stand. So

On a side note its mentioned multiple times in Mask of Eternity, that the cataclysm affected the entire world of Daventry (thus would have knocked out the Land of the Green Isles as well). Its effect on humans is terrible, if you are human, well you turn to stone. Thus Connor's journey had serious ramifications if he failed.

If Rosella was in Etheria at the time it probably would have missed her (though at least in design she was intended to be in the Castle Daventry).

Yes, I know that TSL decided to ignore that for there own narrative reasons (in there backstory there was a bit about Alexander attempting to get close to Daventry to save it from the cataclysm, but having to turn back). So in there story, it didn't affect the entire world.

However, nothing about having a wedding in the Green Isles, directly contradicts anything. Its just a personal choice by the designers.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

B'rrr

I bet the Castle of the Crown was prettier and Rosella took it because of that *nods*
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Baggins

#7
It is nicer, Alexander (or his narrator thoughts) even acknowledges that its grander than Castle Daventry when you look at it in KQ6.

Granted did you know in KQ6, that door didn't lead to a garden? The narrator and the waiter character that comes out, states  specifically that room behind the door is the kitchen. heh heh.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

B'rrr

Aye, I did recall it was a kitchen, couldn't you hear noise comming from there in KQ6?
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Baggins

Yep, clattering pans and stuff.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Quote from: Baggins on July 19, 2010, 06:40:40 AM
It is nicer, Alexander (or his narrator thoughts) even acknowledges that its grander than Castle Daventry when you look at it in KQ6.

Granted did you know in KQ6, that door didn't lead to a garden? The narrator and the waiter character that comes out, states  specifically that room behind the door is the kitchen. heh heh.
The door to the kitchen is in the hallway leading to the courtyard.

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Baggins

#12
QuoteThe door to the kitchen is in the hallway leading to the courtyard.
Yes, that's how it is TSL, but wasn't the case in KQ6. In KQ6 the door itself was the door to the kitchen, and the kitchen was directly behind the door.

Its a interesting bit of trivia. I'm not knocking TSL on it, they wanted to have a garden so just chose the easiest place to put the garden on the main floor, and moved the kitchen over by one room.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

wilco64256

It's also possible in KQ6 that they were using that hallway area for food preparation since it's so close to the garden.  Alexander had never toured the castle so he wouldn't really know for sure that it was a kitchen, he just heard the sounds of dishes and pans moving around and assumed it was the kitchen.
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Baggins

#14
Hey, I'm only telling you what the waiter and narrator states it is. Also Alexander looks in the room briefly before deciding not to enter it.



I think we know what the KQ6 designers said it was and intended it to be, no reason to "explain" reasons around it :p...

The fact of the matter, is TSL needed a place to put the garden, and that was the easiest place to put it. So they invented the garden for their story. Its not something that Roberta Williams or Jane Jensen invented, its new.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

wilco64256

*Ponders*

Maybe Graham just walks through the kitchen and into the hall that's been added on the other side to the garden.  We just don't see the kitchen, like skipping Beauty's house in town.

*Finishes making up a random explanation.*
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daventry

#16
Once you go through that door from the Main Hall, theres a Door on your Left and you can hear the Narrator say that Graham has nothing to do in the Kitchen. ;)

They could also have asked the Genie to expand on the Castle, by moving the Kitchen and build a Garden.  :suffer:

Baggins

#17
QuoteOnce you go through that door from the Main Hall, theres a Door on your Left and you can hear the Narrator say that Graham has nothing to do in the Kitchen

The narrator also goes on for like five more lines about how everyone used to be happy and were preparing the meals and cake for the wedding, but since the ordeal the staff have all gone home, no one is working, no one is hungry, graham doesn't feel like eating, blah blah blah.

Actually in KQ6, I just checked it, Alexander will literally go into the kitchen, the chef yells at him "No lunch is being served today! We're busy catering the wedding!", and he is kicked out, then the narrator says, "Apparently, the Kitchen is no place to be today". :).

Hmm actualy can enter as many times as you want, it just repeats the same comment. It's pretty obvious Alexander, took a "tour" of the castle so to speak  (and has seen what is behind the door) :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:.

Quote
They could also have asked the Genie to expand on the Castle, by moving the Kitchen and build a Garden

It's so easy to say a Genie did it, or the Wizard did it, LOL.

Hmm I noticed one other minor difference in the castle, did anyone notice in KQ6, that the "winged-horse" is only on the wall in the back hallway where cassima's room is, there are none on the west or the east hallways.

Also strange in KQ6, the banisters of the staircase connect up the back wall of the second floor of the great hall. Although the in the "great hall" screen it mentions that there is a balcony up there (no way to reach the balcony due to the banisters). A bit of a visual continuity issue in the two screens really.



Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

wilco64256

"The genie did it"

Now why didn't I think of that?!
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KatieHal

Does it actually say you can't reach the balcony due to the bannisters? The visual makes it hard to tell--the corner jutting into the screen in the upstairs hallway, from visual only, looks it could be connecting with the backwall or like it's just a corner from the staircase and there's a gap between it and the wall. The lack of shadows to tell the distance there makes it a bit of an optical illusion.


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