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The original length of TSL

Started by kindofdoon, August 25, 2010, 09:29:00 PM

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snabbott

Quote from: Cat1 on August 31, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
Personally I hope there's not too much closure!  I don't want my nice idealistic/fairy tale "and they lived happily ever after... until next time" feeling ruined.  I would be a bit sad if every loose end was carefully tied up and we were left feeling like "that's the end of that"!  But I guess if that happens I can always pretend that, like MOE, TSL doesn't exist and we're still living happily ever after at the end of KQVII  ;)
I haven't actually seen how it all ends - that part's not in yet - but I'm pretty sure it's not an "everybody dies" or "it was all a dream" ending. (Well, I guess TSL is all a dream for Alex and Rosella so far... :P)

Steve Abbott | Beta Tester | The Silver Lining

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Quote from: snabbott on September 01, 2010, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: Cat1 on August 31, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
Personally I hope there's not too much closure!  I don't want my nice idealistic/fairy tale "and they lived happily ever after... until next time" feeling ruined.  I would be a bit sad if every loose end was carefully tied up and we were left feeling like "that's the end of that"!  But I guess if that happens I can always pretend that, like MOE, TSL doesn't exist and we're still living happily ever after at the end of KQVII  ;)
I haven't actually seen how it all ends - that part's not in yet - but I'm pretty sure it's not an "everybody dies" or "it was all a dream" ending. (Well, I guess TSL is all a dream for Alex and Rosella so far... :P)

I hope it doesn't end like The Sopranos.  :-\
Freudian Slip - "When you say one thing, but mean your mother."

liggy002

Call me crazy... but I am still secretly hoping that the game is so well-recieved that Activision permits commercial development of Chapters 3-9 for the release of an alternate version of TSL- whoops!  Did I say that out loud?  :) 

That's why it's so essential that we bust out the big guns so that our competition can "say hello to our little friend" upon release of all of the other episodes.   In accordance with what Ken said, I would like to see more King's Quest yet.  I'm just a King's Quest junkie; I can't help it.

Fierce Deity

Quote from: liggy002 on September 01, 2010, 03:31:20 PM
Call me crazy... but I am still secretly hoping that the game is so well-recieved that Activision permits commercial development of Chapters 3-9 for the release of an alternate version of TSL- whoops!  Did I say that out loud?  :) 

That's why it's so essential that we bust out the big guns so that our competition can "say hello to our little friend" upon release of all of the other episodes.   In accordance with what Ken said, I would like to see more King's Quest yet.  I'm just a King's Quest junkie; I can't help it.


In the off-chance that Activision does front the money for further development in this project, the first five episodes would probably have to be patched to fit the full story. After all, from what I hear, a lot of things were cut from the original vision of the game. So that stuff would have to be put back in if Chapters 3-9 are going to be released to the public. I'm sure it was a fascinating vision, and one day, I'd love to play a game that doesn't settle for replay value and actually focuses on the main storyline in the long-run.
Freudian Slip - "When you say one thing, but mean your mother."

Cat1

Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 01, 2010, 01:33:03 AM

Nope, no actual references to the Black Cloak Society. People joke around because there was a black cloak that Princess Rosella puts on to make herself incognito while Malicia is looking for her. I did see an unofficial list of the "members of the Black Cloak Society" on the King's Quest Omnipedia, and Malicia was listed as one of the members (but so was Lucreto, so I'd take the list with a grain of salt).

I think it's interesting that people want to believe that all of the villains from the series were members. The Black Cloak Society was an idea by Jane Jensen and was only referenced in KQVI; it was never really supposed to amount to much. Yet it's the one thing that I think is driving the fans for an ending that provides closure.

Thanks for that info.  Yeah I think that the Black Cloak Society 'loose end', which was never tied up, is one of the things that has kept us KQ fans wanting more.  That's why I'm a bit worried that if they tie that one up too carefully, without leaving a few other things unresolved, it will all feel too final.  But hopefully that isn't the developers' plan  :)

Quote from: snabbott on September 01, 2010, 08:22:41 AM
I haven't actually seen how it all ends - that part's not in yet - but I'm pretty sure it's not an "everybody dies" or "it was all a dream" ending. (Well, I guess TSL is all a dream for Alex and Rosella so far... :P)

Well, but don't you know that life is but a dream anyway  ;)

liggy002

Also, keep in mind that Activision doesn't necessarily have to front the money.  A third party could do so on Activision's behalf.  Heck, I would do it if I were rich.  I'm not there yet but if I was, Shenmue 3 and an extension of the King's Quest saga would be a couple of things that I would be willing to throw money at.  I guess we don't have any multi-millionaires out there who are willing to do that, at least not that I am aware of.

Lambonius

Quote from: liggy002 on September 02, 2010, 12:40:29 AM
I guess we don't have any multi-millionaires out there who are willing to do that, at least not that I am aware of.

Also, POS actually has to prove they can finish the project, and at a consistent level of high quality, before any legitimate businessperson would seriously consider doing that... ::)

snabbott

Well, yeah. I think those of us who have followed the project for a while tend not to think of how it looks from the outside. We know it's good, but to most people it's just another fan project that may or may not amount to anything. Yeah, we released Episode 1, but content-wise, it's not that different from the original RC1 demo. There's still a long way to go to prove the project to the general public. I don't think the release of Episode 2 will do it, but it will be a BIG step in that direction.

Steve Abbott | Beta Tester | The Silver Lining

Lambonius

Quote from: snabbott on September 02, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
I don't think the release of Episode 2 will do it, but it will be a BIG step in that direction.

Perhaps not to the general public, but for the long-time KQ fans who are still on the fence, Ep. 2 will probably be the measuring stick that will tip them one way or the other.  :)  So that's something, anyway.

snabbott

Quote from: Lambonius on September 02, 2010, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: snabbott on September 02, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
I don't think the release of Episode 2 will do it, but it will be a BIG step in that direction.

Perhaps not to the general public, but for the long-time KQ fans who are still on the fence, Ep. 2 will probably be the measuring stick that will tip them one way or the other.  :)  So that's something, anyway.
Yeah, probably.

Steve Abbott | Beta Tester | The Silver Lining

liggy002

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Quote from: Lambonius on September 02, 2010, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: liggy002 on September 02, 2010, 12:40:29 AM
I guess we don't have any multi-millionaires out there who are willing to do that, at least not that I am aware of.

Also, POS actually has to prove they can finish the project, and at a consistent level of high quality, before any legitimate businessperson would seriously consider doing that... ::)

Obviously that is a given but they will finish the project and it will be at a high level of quality- that I do not have my doubts about.  This is a highly talented lot and I never said that it had to do anything with business either, it could just be an act of charity with no return expected.  It's not always about the money and it should not be either.  Let me use Shenmue 3 as another example.  Sega is hesitant to release this game because sales have been poor for the previous 2 entries in the series.  That is understandable that they would not want to release it without some third party backing (Sony or Nintendo for example).  If an individual investor does not want to commit to a project because they do not believe it will return a profit, that is understandable as well.  However, for someone who is really rich and charitable and knows that they can easily make back a large sum of money elsewhere even if the game venture was not profitable, maybe that person will like that game while most other people may not and would still throw money at it.  The crowd is right when it comes to business success in this particular industry.  Even so, they may be wrong in terms of how good a game is.  I don't agree with the crowd when it comes to Shenmue- it is a heck of a lot better than most games out there that sell very well.

So, all in all, all it takes is a single investor with lots of money to spare who can make it back easily.

MusicallyInspired

The point was that no company is going to license the rights to POS for a commercial game if they haven't successfully released anything. No matter how dedicated we believe they are, no company can make that assumption until they release everything and it has a good response.

kindofdoon

I was just reading that the original script for TSL was 1,500 pages... :o That's insane!

Daniel Dichter, Production/PR
daniel.dichter@postudios.com

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Quote from: kindofdoon on September 02, 2010, 09:07:37 PM
I was just reading that the original script for TSL was 1,500 pages... :o That's insane!

To think I was gonna go back and read all of the Harry Potter books. I think I'll just wait till Phoenix publishes their original script into a book.  :P
Freudian Slip - "When you say one thing, but mean your mother."

Baggins

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QuoteNope, no actual references to the Black Cloak Society. People joke around because there was a black cloak that Princess Rosella puts on to make herself incognito while Malicia is looking for her. I did see an unofficial list of the "members of the Black Cloak Society" on the King's Quest Omnipedia, and Malicia was listed as one of the members (but so was Lucreto, so I'd take the list with a grain of salt).
The list is actually a list from a fan story called the Revenge of the Black Cloak. The omnipedia actually has several alternate lists from several fan writers and fan games perspectives, in the article "Black Cloak Society (unofficial)".

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Cloak_Society_%28unofficial%29

The main article "Society of the Black Cloak" only lists three, the three hinted at in in KQ6, and no others.

Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Fierce Deity

Quote from: Baggins on September 03, 2010, 06:46:43 AM
The list is actually a list from a fan story called the Revenge of the Black Cloak. The omnipedia actually has several alternate lists from several fan writers and fan games perspectives, in the article "Black Cloak Society (unofficial)".

http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Cloak_Society_%28unofficial%29

The main article "Society of the Black Cloak" only lists three, the three hinted at in in KQ6, and no others.



Yup, that was the one. I just thought it was interesting that someone wanted to unite all of the antagonists into this "Legion of Doom" syndicate.
Freudian Slip - "When you say one thing, but mean your mother."