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Plot conflict
« on: September 18, 2010, 11:51:12 PM »
I was replaying the episode when something occured to me...

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 11:53:54 PM »
At that point he probably thought it was a matter of

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 11:55:30 PM »
Listen again to what Shamir says about the second letter. It arrived after....


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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 11:57:21 PM »
But, actually, now that I think about it even more... it has to be that

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Edit: Saw Cez's post. Gonna go replay the scene....

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 11:57:54 PM »
Cez makes an excellent point as well, I forgot about that part.
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 12:08:12 AM »
Ahhh. That clears that up.

How did Shamir know that it arrived at that point in time? Safe to assume he used genie magic? :P

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 12:08:53 AM »
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 02:17:58 AM »
What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 02:31:53 AM »
What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

Who says that was a guarantee?  The chickens?
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 02:33:56 AM »
What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

Actually, I would call that plotline explicit, since it's directly stated in the manual that Manannan kills all his slaves when they turn 18.  :)

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What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

Who says that was a guarantee?  The chickens?

You actually die because of this in the game if you take too long to escape Manannan.

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 02:40:21 AM »
I didn't even know you could die that way in KQ3, I just thought you missed the boat and got a game over.
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 02:42:46 AM »
What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

But since Alexander is here, it means he never did and it means it never happened -- As the storyline goes, he never turned 18 under Manannan's wing. So we don't know if he would have killed him once he turned 18.

We are playing based on that idea, since in this timeline, Manannan never killed Alexander.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2010, 02:50:41 AM »
What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

But since Alexander is here, it means he never did and it means it never happened -- As the storyline goes, he never turned 18 under Manannan's wing. So we don't know if he would have killed him once he turned 18.

We are playing based on that idea, since in this timeline, Manannan never killed Alexander.

It was made obvious in the manuals and other official source related material that he had a habit of not letting boys live past their 18th birthday. I truly doubt he would've given Alex a big happy birthday....And if he had no intention of killing Alex, that makes Alex's leaving a little pointless, at least from his POV as a character.
And then you have Mordack, who threatens to feed Graham's family to Manny one by one unless Alex reveals how to reverse the spell on Manny.

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2010, 02:52:06 AM »
That being said Alexander's death on his 18th birthday was the factor controlling and defining and looming over Alexander in KQ3 and was brought up in all the later games synopses as you might remember?

It was the whole entire purpose of the short story in the manual in KQ3 as well.

On another note, Abdul Alhazred attempted to have Alexander killed on multiple occasions. Of course Shamir never tried to  do it directly (except in the end battle).
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 03:03:43 AM »
Yes..

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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2010, 03:38:17 AM »
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2010, 03:55:21 AM »
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2010, 04:01:04 AM »

On another note, Abdul Alhazred attempted to have Alexander killed on multiple occasions. Of course Shamir never tried to  do it directly (except in the end battle).

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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2010, 04:02:55 AM »
The artwork in the book is of the chair bound Lord of the Dead isn't it? Sure looks like him.
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Re: Plot conflict
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 04:05:41 AM »
The artwork in the book is of the chair bound Lord of the Dead isn't it?

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