Plot conflict

[KQ5Fan]

I was replaying the episode when something occured to me...

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The letter Hagatha sent to Alhazred talked about how important it was that Alhazred not kill Alexander and that he has to exercise caution and restraint in dealing with him, yet right before Alexander was about to reveal Cassima to be Shamir in disguse at the wedding, Alhazred explicitly yells "KILL HIM! KILL HIM NOW!" to Saladin. So.... did he just care more about his own interests than the black cloak society?

[wilco64256]

At that point he probably thought it was a matter of

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Either kill Alexander or I'll end up dead myself.  Self-preservation tends to trump pretty much everything else.

[Cez]

Listen again to what Shamir says about the second letter. It arrived after....

[KQ5Fan]

But, actually, now that I think about it even more... it has to be that

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Alhazred really didn't care much for the black cloak society. He specifically sent out his genie to kill Alexander on multiple occasions, and even that one time when the genie saw Alexander "die", Alhazred took it as great news as he no longer posed a threat to ruining his wedding...

Edit: Saw Cez's post. Gonna go replay the scene....

[wilco64256]

Cez makes an excellent point as well, I forgot about that part.

[KQ5Fan]

Ahhh. That clears that up.

How did Shamir know that it arrived at that point in time? Safe to assume he used genie magic?

[wilco64256]

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Alhazred was lazy - probably always had Shamir pick up the mail for him.

[TheReturnofDMD]

What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

[wilco64256]

What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

Who says that was a guarantee?  The chickens?

[Lambonius]

What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

Actually, I would call that plotline explicit, since it's directly stated in the manual that Manannan kills all his slaves when they turn 18.  

(Posted on: September 19, 2010, 04:32:20 AM)

What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

Who says that was a guarantee?  The chickens?

You actually die because of this in the game if you take too long to escape Manannan.

[wilco64256]

I didn't even know you could die that way in KQ3, I just thought you missed the boat and got a game over.

[Cez]

What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

But since Alexander is here, it means he never did and it means it never happened -- As the storyline goes, he never turned 18 under Manannan's wing. So we don't know if he would have killed him once he turned 18.

We are playing based on that idea, since in this timeline, Manannan never killed Alexander.

[TheReturnofDMD]

What about Mananan killing Alexander if he stepped out of line, and the implicit plotline of him killing Alexander anyway once he turned 18?

But since Alexander is here, it means he never did and it means it never happened -- As the storyline goes, he never turned 18 under Manannan's wing. So we don't know if he would have killed him once he turned 18.

We are playing based on that idea, since in this timeline, Manannan never killed Alexander.

It was made obvious in the manuals and other official source related material that he had a habit of not letting boys live past their 18th birthday. I truly doubt he would've given Alex a big happy birthday....And if he had no intention of killing Alex, that makes Alex's leaving a little pointless, at least from his POV as a character.
And then you have Mordack, who threatens to feed Graham's family to Manny one by one unless Alex reveals how to reverse the spell on Manny.

[Baggins]

That being said Alexander's death on his 18th birthday was the factor controlling and defining and looming over Alexander in KQ3 and was brought up in all the later games synopses as you might remember?

It was the whole entire purpose of the short story in the manual in KQ3 as well.

On another note, Abdul Alhazred attempted to have Alexander killed on multiple occasions. Of course Shamir never tried to  do it directly (except in the end battle).

[Cez]

Yes..

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And as shown in the final cutscene, from Alexander's perspective this was still the case. Manannan would have killed him when he turned 18. But we are playing with the idea that Manannan had different intentions, unknown to Alexander and what he believed would have happened.

[TheReturnofDMD]

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Also, the story about Persephone says Nightshade ONLY blooms when she is with the Lord of the Dead....

When Alexander comes to the Green Isles, and Land of the Dead, nightshade is in bloom. Where is Persephone? I didn't notice her in the Realm of the Dead...

Also, the Arch Druid in KQ6 tells Alex that the Lord of the Dead was once a mortal, thousands of years ago, and that he was left "mateless; robbed of sleep, robbed of movement, robbed of companionship."

[Cez]

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Considering King's Quest has had two different Lord of Deaths (KQ6 and MoE), the story doesn't necessarily speak of the one we met in KQ6.

Considering it did, Persephone could have still been down there. Alexander could have not met her and that didn't mean she wasn't down there somewhere.

As for what the Arch Druid says about the KQ6 Lord of Death, what he was many years ago when he was turned into the Lord of Death could have changed through the thousand of years. Just because Persephone was down there, doesn't mean she was his companion --Truly not by will

[Cez]

On another note, Abdul Alhazred attempted to have Alexander killed on multiple occasions. Of course Shamir never tried to  do it directly (except in the end battle).

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He did, and we haven't said otherwise. He never got the letter Hagatha sent him.

[Baggins]

The artwork in the book is of the chair bound Lord of the Dead isn't it? Sure looks like him.

[Cez]

The artwork in the book is of the chair bound Lord of the Dead isn't it?

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It does, but again, there has been different interpretations of this guy through the story of KQ. Katie dealt more with this angle of the story. Persephone being down there doesn't contradict anything said in KQ6 about him. He could have forced a woman to be there against her will, but again, that doesn't mean she was his companion, or made him less lonely. All the contrary, actually.