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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 08:16:06 PM »
I think that James Caviezel could do well as Ezio.

Personally I'd just love to see more modern stuff going on with Desmond and company.
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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2010, 08:22:54 PM »
I think that James Caviezel could do well as Ezio.

Hmm...I could see that.  I can't really think of any obvious alternatives that pop into mind for Ezio specifically, but I could see 300's Gerard Butler being a good fit for an Assassin's Creed type role.

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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2010, 08:32:43 PM »
You know, I actually kind of like Nicholas Cage in the National Tresure series...He's not an especially stand-out actor, but he plays the part well enough to provide a solid impression of his character.

He does well enough when the characters are written specifically for him, but he basically plays the same character in every movie.  You know--the gruff, cynical, slightly-past-his-prime, slightly goofy hero?  I could probably count the amount of roles that he's played where he stands out in marked contrast to that description on one hand.  :)

That is certainly true, and it's why he fits well into National Treasure.

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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2010, 09:13:26 PM »
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D

I didn't mean to sound like they should nix the concept of recruiting in future games. It just seems like recruiting was one of the main concepts in Brotherhood (hence the name of the game). They could definitely improve on the system as it stands. It looks to be a simple micromanagement of NPCs. They could definitely do a lot more with it, beyond just recruiting. I also think an American Revolution era would be fitting for a future title.

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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2010, 10:47:36 PM »
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D

I didn't mean to sound like they should nix the concept of recruiting in future games. It just seems like recruiting was one of the main concepts in Brotherhood (hence the name of the game). They could definitely improve on the system as it stands. It looks to be a simple micromanagement of NPCs. They could definitely do a lot more with it, beyond just recruiting. I also think an American Revolution era would be fitting for a future title.

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Well technically, by the end of the game the Americas had been discovered by the contemporary Italians, so I'm not sure how new the idea was to Ezio.  ;)  I can't remember if he remarks on it in-game or not.

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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2010, 10:26:10 PM »
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D

I didn't mean to sound like they should nix the concept of recruiting in future games. It just seems like recruiting was one of the main concepts in Brotherhood (hence the name of the game). They could definitely improve on the system as it stands. It looks to be a simple micromanagement of NPCs. They could definitely do a lot more with it, beyond just recruiting. I also think an American Revolution era would be fitting for a future title.

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Well technically, by the end of the game the Americas had been discovered by the contemporary Italians, so I'm not sure how new the idea was to Ezio.  ;)  I can't remember if he remarks on it in-game or not.

In a cutscene where Ezio discovers the map of the world on all of the codex pages, he makes a comment along the lines of: "It's a map of the world, but some of these lands don't exist." Then Machiavelli had interjected with a pompous: "The lands exist, they may not have been discovered yet." I do believe that this time period (the end of sequence 11) takes place before Columbus' first voyage to the Americas in 1492. You are right about the end of the game being past this point though. The game ends around the year 1499. I just noticed that there was a huge gap in between sequence 11 and sequence 14. The adventure that Ezio had during sequence 12 and 13 was very short and couldn't have lasted more than a year. However, more years had passed before sequence 14 had occurred.

There was a Nintendo DS installment that was titled, Assassin's Creed II: Discovery. It takes place somewhere after sequence 11, and sometime before sequence 14. In this title, Ezio goes to Spain during the Inquisition and runs into some more historical figures to add to his friends' list on Facebook. One of these figures being Christopher Columbus himself. I figured that Ezio had made a rash argument about the existence of the Americas far too soon, in the big scheme of things. The timeline that occurs in AC2 is kind of confusing, considering that it takes place within a 30 year period of Ezio's life (from when he was 20-50 give or take, I'm not counting that baby Ezio tutorial).

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Something that I'm noticing in Brotherhood is how useful it is to loot bodies now. In AC2, when you looted a body, you would get an average of 10 florins, and on a rare occasion, you'd get to replenish your supplies (like medicine and throwing daggers). In Brotherhood, it seems like soldiers carry a lot more florins, and a hell of a lot more supplies. Quite an improvement if you ask me. The combat seems more fluid than ever before. This could be a bad thing though. The kicking element makes taking down brutes a lot easier. I liked having to disarm them, and then cleave their axe into their head or their spear through their chest. But now, you can kick them, and then stab them. Still, the system does allow you to feel like that badass assassin.

Brotherhood with its ups and downs is a fitting installment to the series, but it's still kind of lacking in longevity. Not nearly as many viewpoints or sequences. The game seems like it'll be shorter than AC2, but this inspires hope that the next real installment in the series will have the fixes that Brotherhood has presented and then some.
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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2010, 11:45:44 PM »
I finished Discovery about a month ago, on my Iphone 4, ya he runs in Columbus whom the templars are trying to eliminate. He makes sure that Columbus is saved, and that Columbus is able to get help in going to the Americas.
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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2010, 11:48:19 AM »
The Assassin's Creed franchise is among my favorite franchises of any media. I am absolutely in love with the AC franchise. That being said, I own the collector's editions of both 2 and Brotherhood. 2 was amazing. I didn't think they could improve on 2 anymore. Brotherhood proved me wrong. Brotherhood is amazing. It's by far the best AC game to date. AC3 is gonna be even MORE amazing I think. And, you want new features in the next AC game, I bet a whole lot are coming, if this article is any indication. Also, Brotherhood does have more in depth Desmond experiences, but they're few and far between. IE, the beginning of the game and the end of the game. But they're longer than they were in 2. Desmond actually gets to use the skills he learned from both Altair and Ezio through The Bleeding Effect.

Speaking of AC taking place in Feudal japan, I saw the Warriors Way recently, and the only thing I could think of was, "OMG ASSASSIN'S CREED THE MOVIE!". Seriously, AC in Feudal Japan would be AMAZING!
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2010, 06:58:35 PM »
And, you want new features in the next AC game, I bet a whole lot are coming, if this article is any indication.

I'm not too fascinated by amplifying the multiplayer mode, but the other features look intriguing. Except for allowing Ezio to get another game. I think it's nigh time he let someone else get the spotlight. Besides, Ezio is pretty old at this point, and Desmond is still young. The Bleeding Effect would work best with a new assassin from a new era. For instance, how is an assassin going to counteract gunfire? I'm sure Abstergo can muster up something more than just a bunch of security guards with nightsticks.

Also, the concept of having a gang war with the Templars over territory is really a good idea. In Brotherhood, Ezio has to take down the Borgia towers, but taking down the morale of an entire area is much better in my opinion. I'm not into Grand Theft Auto anymore, so if Assassin's Creed can adopt all of the fun features from GTA, I'll be golden. The territorial battles would definitely be a plus.
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Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2010, 07:03:08 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2010, 07:42:19 PM »
Just have to say--not a fan of the feudal Japan idea.  The thing that makes AC so awesome is how fresh and relatively untapped the historical settings are.  I mean seriously--Renaissance Italy?  When was the last time you had a game set during that time?  But bringing in samurais and Japanese culture--YAWN.  Total snore.  Total cliche.  In my opinion anyway.  ;)

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2010, 07:58:36 PM »
Well, I think Ubisoft could make Feudal Japan work. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. As for whether Ezio should get another game, I agree that his time is done. Brotherhood is great. It truly is. But I feel it's the end of Ezio's arc. I have yet to finish the actual game, but I'm close. I'm in like sequence 6 or 7. Although I really hope they include some more stuff from Subject 16. I LOVED the secret truth video from 2, and I'm currently trying to compile the truth video for Brotherhood.

Assassin's Creed is definitely one of the greatest things to happen to video games in a while in my opinion. I mean, it's got an AMAZING plot, AMAZING gameplay (from 2 and on. I don't much care for the first game...), AMAZING graphics and so much more. AC3 is gonna be amazing. Period. I'm definitely excited! But I really want them to move away from the male protagonists... I'd like to play as a female assassin, if only for one outing. I imagine that a female could run faster and be better at acrobatics and what not over a master assassin like Ezio. Also, major plot hole... With each piece of armor that Ezio and Altair obtain, their free running ability isn't hindered... You'd think that with heavy armor would come a slower running speed... I mean, they incorporated such a system for the guards (Agiles, Seekers and Brutes, and in brotherhood, the annoying as heck Papal Guards.) But why are the assassin's able to run at the same speed despite heavier armor?
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2010, 07:59:03 PM »
The AC series, or any series, shouldn't avoid a setting simply because it has been done before. If they are are going to do that setting in a way that has been done before, then yes, they shouldn't bother. But I think you would agree that the AC series has a unique and refreshing way of bringing locations to life in a way no other series quite does. I think an AC take on Feudal Japan could be quite different in its realism and freshness than anything we've seen so far.

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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2010, 08:19:02 PM »
The AC series, or any series, shouldn't avoid a setting simply because it has been done before. If they are are going to do that setting in a way that has been done before, then yes, they shouldn't bother. But I think you would agree that the AC series has a unique and refreshing way of bringing locations to life in a way no other series quite does. I think an AC take on Feudal Japan could be quite different in its realism and freshness than anything we've seen so far.

The first thing you must also remember is the time line the games are progressing along. I'm no history expert, so forgive the following: is feudal Japan before or after the 1500s? Because if it's before the 1500's, it's likely they won't do it. The series so far has gone in a forward direction, starting with Altair in the 11 somethings, and then going to Ezio in the late 1400's and the early 1500's. I believe the series will continue in this forward going direction. The rumors I've heard are either Alaska (basically bringing the comic to life), England with a female protagonist, or Paris. The Feudal Japan one is new for me. If desmond is gonna learn new skills through the bleeding effect, one would think that he would do so from an assassin after Ezio's time. Besides, Altair, Ezio and Desmond are all part of the same bloodline. That was established from the get go of 1. The animus (so far) can only allow you to relive memories of your own ancestors. Though, I'd love to see either a Pirate assassin or ninja assassin. I'm a ninja fan first and foremost, but could you just imagine a pirate Assassin in Desmond's bloodline?

If however, Feudal japan is after 1500's, and furthermore, after Ezio's time, then my points above are moot and can be disregarded...
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2010, 08:51:27 PM »
Unfortunately, it appears that Feudal Japan is a very vague term, historically speaking; it encompasses nearly 500 years of history (1185-1868, according to Wikipedia).

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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2010, 09:16:00 PM »
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so. In the late 1800's the samurai were disbanded (there lands redistributed) by the army and people of japan pushed towards a more democratic society.

that would be kinda exciting, if you were going around assasinating the samurai. But on the other hand its been done to death...

There seems something wrong about connecting samurai with the templar... Even if both are kind of like knights...
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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2010, 09:22:30 PM »
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2010, 09:35:09 PM »
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.

Frankly, I don't think my comment is much of a "theory" but more of a fact. I mean, think of it logically. Would Desmond learn a new trick through the bleeding effect from a Samurai that came before Ezio? Ezio would already have that ability, and perhaps better (Ezio had a better version of Eagle Vision than Altair for example). You need only look at the series itself for the proof. Also, Wikipedia isn't a foolproof source. The stuff posted there can easily be fabricated. I'm a web design major. It's my business to know how wikipedia works... Ok, so granted, false information is usually brought down within minutes, if not seconds, but my point still stands...

In any event, Ubisoft has already confirmed that another big AC game is coming next year. I'm hoping it's AC3, but if it's another extension of Ezio's story, I'm gonna be annoyed. Don't get me wrong; I love Ezio, and I think Brotherhood was a good idea. But I think now it's time for the developers to move on and make a new assassin in a new time period and give Desmond some new freaking abilities. But that's just me, a raving fannatic of all that is Assassin's Creed. If the fact that I bought the collector's editions, have two t-shirts, and own the comic is any indication, I have a video game addiction to one AC franchise. The only prescription? MORE AC! (or cowbell... XD :rofl:)
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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2010, 09:46:04 PM »
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". My word choice was inaccurate.

Indeed, the Feudal Age of Japan carried many eras within itself. Although, the feudal system remained the same, there were changes that would indicate progression and succession from the feudal system. Also, I agree with Baggins, samurais and Templars don't mesh well together. The setting itself would be intriguing, cause I'd like to see an open-world adventure set in Japan, but I'm afraid Sega's Yakuza series will be the closest thing to that (and it's not at all open-world).

The rumors I've heard are either Alaska (basically bringing the comic to life), England with a female protagonist, or Paris.

I had heard that the comic was taking place in Russia, no? I'd like to see the comic turned into a game though. The only problem is that the comic has nothing to do with Desmond and his lineage, so it's not likely to be in production. I'm still convinced that Desmond's next destination in time is the American Revolution. Every bit of information I hear suggests that America is the next destination for Desmond's bloodline.

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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2010, 09:47:44 PM »
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.

Frankly, I don't think my comment is much of a "theory" but more of a fact. I mean, think of it logically. Would Desmond learn a new trick through the bleeding effect from a Samurai that came before Ezio? Ezio would already have that ability, and perhaps better (Ezio had a better version of Eagle Vision than Altair for example). You need only look at the series itself for the proof.

I'm not sure your assertion is factual, unless some developer said so. Desmond's ancestors obviously did not have access to the Animus, and thus, for the most part, they each developed without the aid of their ancestors. So, logically, they would each have their own strengths and weaknesses based on their learned fighting styles and technology of the time. Desmond can benefit from studying any assassin, because each one, regardless of time period, would have valuable, exclusive techniques.

You assert that Desmond must continuously learn from newer ancestors, who have improved abilities. That is not necessarily true, logically. What if, for example, Altaïr was a better swordsman than Ezio, but Ezio was a better brawler than Altaïr? If Desmond's ancestral assassins continuously became stronger and stronger with each generation, then by your logic, Desmond should be the strongest, right? That is clearly not the case.

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