Assassin's Creed franchise

[kindofdoon]

I wouldn't really consider any of that spoiler tag-worthy, because at this point it's still speculation.

[dark-daventry]

true... But also a reminder for the future.

[Fierce Deity]

The plot element that supports the Revolutionary America theory is a very minor element. It's a comment that will leave you wondering, but it in no way will "spoil" you.

[dark-daventry]

The plot element that supports the Revolutionary America theory is a very minor element. It's a comment that will leave you wondering, but it in no way will "spoil" you.

Well, I do consider that spoiler worthy. If you're in the middle of brotherhood, like me, then you don't really want to know about plot details that happen later in the game. So if for the future, we could keep plot elements like that in spoiler tags for those that haven't yet finished brotherhood, that'd be great. Also, I'm sure there are some who haven't played either 1 or 2, so try to keep plot details from those games in spoiler tags as well.

But I do hope they announce the next AC soon. I realize brotherhood JUST came out less than a month ago, but they already said that another major AC game will be coming out in 2011, so an announcement has to be here by E3 2011, if not sooner. I expect the announcement will be made at E3, but I can always hope for an announcement before...

[Fierce Deity]

Steam is having their Holiday sale this week, and they have both Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 half off the normal price. A mighty fine deal, however, I consider the prices to still be kind of steep. The Deluxe version of AC2 on Steam is also on sale, and comes with all of the bonus content that has been released for the game. Just in case anyone is interested.  

[Baggins]

Well all the bonus content except for those extra weapons in the PS3 version... (which they really should have an alternative way of unlocking). I really hate exclusives like that...

[Fierce Deity]

Well all the bonus content except for those extra weapons in the PS3 version... (which they really should have an alternative way of unlocking). I really hate exclusives like that...

You're not missing much with the PS3 weapons. They're mediocre at best, and relatively useless once you get the Sword of Altair. I do understand why one would be pissed at the weapons being withheld from non-PS3 players though. I for one feel a greater restraint from the DLC that was removed and then put into the PC version, and then the Deluxe PC version having the maps that prevent one from attaining the full synchronization.

I was contemplating the purchase of Assassin's Creed 2 for the PC, but I passed it up. I already played it once, and as good as it was, I probably wouldn't be able to stomach the process of getting everything again. I'm a dedicated perfectionist. I did however, buy Mass Effect 2 on Steam today. Only $10 for the regular version. Not a bad deal.

[Baggins]

I know, they aren't really useful. Its just that it would be nice to have a complete game. I hate when they split up the games, putting exclusive stuff on each version.

[Fierce Deity]

I know, they aren't really useful. Its just that it would be nice to have a complete game. I hate when they split up the games, putting exclusive stuff on each version.

Yup, I know what you mean. Personally, I've tried to avoid getting the "complete game". That would involve me having a preorder for the Collector's Edition from Gamestop, and then buy all of the DLC when I get home. I usually get my games from Steam, but I try to avoid the Digital Deluxe versions. I think Assassin's Creed 2 has a decent deal, but 3 maps isn't nearly enough of an incentive to pay extra. I also don't thinking owning wallpapers, soundtracks, online strategy guides are essential from Digital Deluxe versions, considering you can get all of those things for free on the internet. As long as I get the same gameplay experience as everyone else, I'll be happy.

[Baggins]

The extra levels were definitely worth it in AC2... I do consider levels missing out on gameplay experience, :p.

[dark-daventry]

I'm a little steamed (haha, no pun intended) that the PS3 version of Brotherhood has exclusive missions. Whether or not those get brought over to the 360 I have no idea. I would hope so, but only time will tell. But I also have to wonder why Ubisoft withholds the release of the PC version until months after the console version. Is it truly necessary?

[Fierce Deity]

I for one, hope that the DLC for Fallout New Vegas comes to the PC, but it's exclusive to the 360 for the time being. So I know what you mean about the exclusive DLC for Brotherhood. As for the delayed PC version, I would say it's very necessary in the big scheme of things. From a business prospect, the team needs to make money, and the PC platform is very infamous for piracy. To avoid sales lost, the team would release the game exclusive to console platforms (even though the 360 has had its run-ins with piracy). The team would suffer from potential sales lost if the game was released on the PC from the get-go. That's my theory, anyhow. The game will be released on the PC eventually, but by then, any possible pirates that own a console would have bought and played the game already. The PC isn't as viable a platform for modern games. Most gamers prefer the convenience of a console.

[NW15]

Is there any assassin creed fans here?

If there are, do have any info in when Assassin Creed 3(I am not talking about assassin creed bother hood)

All I know and hear is that is it coming out sometime in November of this year, but I do not know anything else.

What do you think is going to happen in the next Assassin Creed?

I am thinking since Ezio was from the 1500 hundreds. In the new one, it might be in the 1800 or 1900 hundreds.
Also, I do not think Desmond Miles is a past life as well. The reason I think that is because of the beginning of assassin creed brotherhood. They talk about a dream within a dream and at the end during the credits they are different people talking. I know the game is base in the year 2012, but what if that from the past?

[dark-daventry]

There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out  

Here is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.

[NW15]

There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out  

Here is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.

Sorry about that. I did not even think about checking other pages to see if there were threads about this.

Yes, that is what I am saying. At the beginning when they leave the truck they talk about a memory within a memory.  Am I allowed to post videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N_25wRKdY&feature=relmfu

if you watch the end of this video, they talk about memory within a memory and how pregnant women can experience.  They also, say Desmond experience once before too. So, I am guessing the person that is really under the animus is a pregnant women. 

I know the end of the credits they say put him back in the animus, but I get the feeling it is a memory within a memory. Not just one memory. Also, they are 2 different people talking during the credits


Tell what you think that part means? Any ideas?

[dark-daventry]

There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out 

Here is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.

Sorry about that. I did not even think about checking other pages to see if there were threads about this.

Yes, that is what I am saying. At the beginning when they leave the truck they talk about a memory within a memory.  Am I allowed to post videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N_25wRKdY&feature=relmfu

if you watch the end of this video, they talk about memory within a memory and how pregnant women can experience.  They also, say Desmond experience once before too. So, I am guessing the person that is really under the animus is a pregnant women. 

I know the end of the credits they say put him back in the animus, but I get the feeling it is a memory within a memory. Not just one memory. Also, they are 2 different people talking during the credits


Tell what you think that part means? Any ideas?

Don't worry about it. The thread was located on like the third page of the board. I wouldn't have gone digging myself honestly. The only reason I knew this thread existed was because I had posted in it many times before.

The way I understand the sequence you're talking about is more like this: They were talking about Subject 15, a previous test subject (Desmond is Subject 17. Subject 16 went crazy and has left all sorts of messages for you in both AC2 and AC:B). So I don't think someone is living out Desmond's life. At least, not a pregnant woman. They mention that Subject 15 was pregnant, and that could have been the cause for subject 15 experiencing a memory inside a memory. As for Desmond and Ezio, they state that Ezio's troubled state of mind (he's been wounded and passed out, after all) is likely being transposed to Desmond (remember The Bleeding Effect? Over-exposure to the Animus results in things from the animus mixing with reality. For example, they used the Bleeding Effect to their advantage while training Desmond. They had him experience Ezio's life, and while he did so, he was able to pick up not only his skills, but his techniques as well. The Bleeding Effect is also what caused Subject 16 to go crazy. He eventually couldn't tell what was reality and what was a memory; the two blended together seamlessly), which prohibits him from skipping to a later memory. Desmond has to live out that sequence in order to proceed through Ezio's life. Still, this is an interesting theory, and it would certainly be a nice plot twist if they revealed that someone is living through Desmond's life somewhere in the future using a more sophisticated Animus that doesn't have glitches or what not (both the animus 1 and animus 2.0 had small visible glitches here and there. In fact, there's an achievement in AC1 to see 80% of all the glitches).

[NW15]

There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out 

Here is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.

Sorry about that. I did not even think about checking other pages to see if there were threads about this.

Yes, that is what I am saying. At the beginning when they leave the truck they talk about a memory within a memory.  Am I allowed to post videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N_25wRKdY&feature=relmfu

if you watch the end of this video, they talk about memory within a memory and how pregnant women can experience.  They also, say Desmond experience once before too. So, I am guessing the person that is really under the animus is a pregnant women. 

I know the end of the credits they say put him back in the animus, but I get the feeling it is a memory within a memory. Not just one memory. Also, they are 2 different people talking during the credits


Tell what you think that part means? Any ideas?

Don't worry about it. The thread was located on like the third page of the board. I wouldn't have gone digging myself honestly. The only reason I knew this thread existed was because I had posted in it many times before.

The way I understand the sequence you're talking about is more like this: They were talking about Subject 15, a previous test subject (Desmond is Subject 17. Subject 16 went crazy and has left all sorts of messages for you in both AC2 and AC:B). So I don't think someone is living out Desmond's life. At least, not a pregnant woman. They mention that Subject 15 was pregnant, and that could have been the cause for subject 15 experiencing a memory inside a memory. As for Desmond and Ezio, they state that Ezio's troubled state of mind (he's been wounded and passed out, after all) is likely being transposed to Desmond (remember The Bleeding Effect? Over-exposure to the Animus results in things from the animus mixing with reality. For example, they used the Bleeding Effect to their advantage while training Desmond. They had him experience Ezio's life, and while he did so, he was able to pick up not only his skills, but his techniques as well. The Bleeding Effect is also what caused Subject 16 to go crazy. He eventually couldn't tell what was reality and what was a memory; the two blended together seamlessly), which prohibits him from skipping to a later memory. Desmond has to live out that sequence in order to proceed through Ezio's life. Still, this is an interesting theory, and it would certainly be a nice plot twist if they revealed that someone is living through Desmond's life somewhere in the future using a more sophisticated Animus that doesn't have glitches or what not (both the animus 1 and animus 2.0 had small visible glitches here and there. In fact, there's an achievement in AC1 to see 80% of all the glitches).

That makes sense. I see what you mean.
Also, I was thinking what happen to the apple? Didn't Desmond have it? At the end of the credits, it sounds like they were still looking for it. Wouldn't you think Desmond would have taken with him. On less someone take from him. If that is the case why have him go back under the Animus?

[dark-daventry]

I think he does the apple. I'll have to watch the cutscenes at the end again to refresh my memory, but if I remember correctly, Desmond does have the apple. Jupiter (or whoever's temple they went to at the end of Brotherhood) uses the apple in Desmond's hand to control him, stabbing (but not killing) Lucy. If you notice, he stabbed her, but we never see or hear her die. The game essentially ends with her still alive, though barely. So I think she'll be alive in the next game (or at least clinging to dear life). They also make it sound as if Lucy is a double-double agent. They seem to be alluding that Lucy is not who she claims to be (at least, that's what I can understand), or that The Assassin's have other plans in mind for Desmond that they aren't telling him about. Also, Desmond still has much to learn about the disaster that could befall the earth. They still don't know the locations of the other temples (I don't think), so Desmond may very well need to experience more memories from his Ancestors to find them. I've heard rumors that the third game may find you playing as a female Assassin during the American Revolution. Playing as a female has been a pretty popular request I believe, and the American Revolution is the time period that makes the most sense in some respects; a lot of the men are off fighting, while the women stay home.

[Baggins]

So steam now offers a cheap upgrade for AC2 now to turn it into Deluxe version.

[NW15]

I think he does the apple. I'll have to watch the cutscenes at the end again to refresh my memory, but if I remember correctly, Desmond does have the apple. Jupiter (or whoever's temple they went to at the end of Brotherhood) uses the apple in Desmond's hand to control him, stabbing (but not killing) Lucy. If you notice, he stabbed her, but we never see or hear her die. The game essentially ends with her still alive, though barely. So I think she'll be alive in the next game (or at least clinging to dear life). They also make it sound as if Lucy is a double-double agent. They seem to be alluding that Lucy is not who she claims to be (at least, that's what I can understand), or that The Assassin's have other plans in mind for Desmond that they aren't telling him about. Also, Desmond still has much to learn about the disaster that could befall the earth. They still don't know the locations of the other temples (I don't think), so Desmond may very well need to experience more memories from his Ancestors to find them. I've heard rumors that the third game may find you playing as a female Assassin during the American Revolution. Playing as a female has been a pretty popular request I believe, and the American Revolution is the time period that makes the most sense in some respects; a lot of the men are off fighting, while the women stay home.

I thought Lucy was dead. Just the him he stabbed her in the stomach and that way she fell on the floor.
Plus, like I said she and the others are not at the end of the credits. It is two guys.

Do have any idea who those 2 guys are and why they are with Desmond?