Li'l Malicia & Shamir: Allies or Adversaries?

[Cassie]

Hi, remember me? I was around for a short while before the site went offline last time. But I've visited often aferwards to read the different threads but never really felt an urgent need to post anything. But this time I've got to ask a certain question that has been plaguing my mind recently- Since Shamir & Malicia were 'saved from the dark side' in KQ6 & 7 respectively, will they stay on the side of good or will they go back to their evil ways with/without external intervention from the BCS?.

[B'rrr]

I don't remember you, because I'm only here for a month or so. But:

Welcome Back!!

...regarding to the questions, I can't help you, sorry ; \ ...just have to wait for an official unofficial kq9 member with enough authourity(sp?) and the will to spoil ; )

[KatieHal]

Hello & welcome Cassie!! Cute avatar

Yes, the future of both Malicia & Shamir IS still in question isn't it?    Questions like these'll get you familiar with Cesar's favorite emoticon...   <---suffer!

And nor can I say anything official. What is known from the previous games you mentioned, however (and this is statement of fact, not a spoiler folks!) is that Titania & Oberon planned to raise Malicia and 'get it right' this time around, and Shamir told Alex & co that he was evil because his master at the time, Alhazred, was evil and he was merely a reflection of that. And at the end of KQ6, Alex was his new master.

Enjoy the boards & posting madness!  

[Yonkey]

Welcome back, Cassie!  

I think I'll state some facts as well, interpret them as you wish...  

I'm not sure if I would call the KQ6 Shamir evil, per se.  He was more just doing whatever his master asked.  If I recall the Disney movie Aladdin correctly (lol), the genie only turned "evil" when the antagonist (I forget his name) was his master.  So technically, I'd say a genie is only as evil as its master.

As for Malicia, it's hard to predict how evil/delinquent a child will become because it's more of a question of the Nature vs. Nurture theory.  Was being evil hardcoded in her genes, meaning that she will just grow up to be the same evil person, regardless?  Or is it based on the environment she's raised in.  Since she's being raised among good people and being taught those values, will she become good?

[Say]

I've been around since before any forums and I dont quite remember you? anyhow, welcome back cassie!

hope to see you posting this time Im going senile so I have a hard time remembering... you will need to post a lot

[B'rrr]

....perhaps she used a different name (could be)

[Jeysie]

I do remember Cassie as a poster, with that screenname, although I'm afraid I don't remember anything about what she may have posted. (sheepish look)

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Cassie]

Its no surprise that very few posters remember me because I had joined only a couple of weeks before the site went down. Er, even I can't exactly remember what I had posted last time except for something about the cut-scenes in the game. But I do remember very well that I had started the 'Why is the KQ9 site offline?' thread on the Tierra boards. Oh yeah, my username at the time was cassie pink & I remember posters like Yonkey, The Knight(the LOTR fan), Storm, Dragonslayer & if I remember correctly Katie was the one who had a bunny as an avatar!!! Or was it a pen?

Anyway, back to the topic. As Storm said, Shamir can be 'converted into evil' if Alhazred or someone else from the BCS grabs his bottle.(no pun intended) Even though I know that you have finished the script(dialogues & all) for the game, I would prefer him to remain on Alexander & Cassima's side coz if the BCS does get him then it would be going overboard with the 'ratio' between good & evil. (A bit like Peter Jackson's ratio of Saruman's forces to the Rohirrim at the Battle of Helm's Deep) making it less realistic if the good side managed to overcome all odds and still emerge victorious with or without any losses.

As for Baby Malicia(shouldn't she be two or three years old if we go by the timeline hinted in a previous issue of The Four Winds?) I wouldn't mind her going back to the dark side again. But it wouldn't be too cool if the BCS found a way to turn her back into an adult. It would be better if the child develops a strong 'kicking s*** out of Rosella' feeling disregarding memories of her previous life. I also hope that she is cute in a 'Full House Olsen' kind of way coz all villains weren't ugly, abused & tormented children, ya know. It would be VERY cool if something cute & bubbly like a Full House Olsen caused a gruesome Rosella death .

But this is just me thinking out loud

[Storm]

...Shamir can be 'converted into evil' if Alhazred or someone else from the BCS grabs his bottle.(no pun intended) Even though I know that you have finished the script(dialogues & all) for the game, I would prefer him to remain on Alexander & Cassima's side coz if the BCS does get him then it would be going overboard with the 'ratio' between good & evil.

I don't think it would upset the balance that much. After all, in KQ6 Alhazrad had the genie's lamp, and the genie seems to have pretty much the same powers as any powerful wizard
Still, having the genie's bottle stolen by the evil side again wouldn't be too original... though I assume he'll be out of the game for some reason. There should be some imbalance between good and evil - where's the fun otherwise?  

[Yonkey]

I think I remember you Cassie.  Did you have a pic of Cassima as your avatar?  If not, then I might have asked you if your name was short for Cassima when I welcomed you to the forums.

I don't remember what you posted, but thanks for starting that thread at Tierra!  We were really burning up the Off-Topic forum over there for a whlie!  

[Cassie]

Yeah, the people at Tierra grew fond of the posters on that thread even though it turned into a killer monkeys vs. mangoes vs. cat armies fiasco later

About KQ6, you must remember that Alhazred was the main antagonist in the game who couldn't perform any magic himself that's why he used Shamir to spread mischief in the Isles. Infact, if Alhazred didn't have Shamir he would've easily been arrested for murdering King Caliphim & Queen Allaria. And there would be no fake Cassima, meaning suspicion would directly fall on him for her disappearance. That's the reason they had Shamir on his side. But in KQ9, there is a whole bunch of villains. It is inevitable that Mannannan will be turned into human one way or the other again. Then there's Shadrack (the guy mentioned in KQ6), I'm guessing that even Hagatha will return and the Young Valanice story arc might be hers. Plus, Alhazred's gonna escape, THAT I'M SURE OF! And someone from the BCS might be given the task to travel to the Realm of the Dead to resurrect Mordack. And we haven't even considered any new villains yet!! So you see, we need someone powerful like Shamir & Crispin on the good side. THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF DEFENCE IN GRAHAM & ALEXANDER'S ABSENCE! Connor & the Head of the Doggy Department(whose name I can't remember) can't defend Daventry & the Isle of the Crown against such dark & powerful magic(unless its MOE) by armies. The odds are already on the side of the BCS, I hope it is not increased by Shamir's inclusion into the Society.

This is only me thinking out loud, I've got to have an outlet for my silly ideas you know

[Storm]

Nice theory, Cassie
I'd like it better if they didn't rehash ALL the old villains though... sometimes defeated villains should stay defeated. Unlike QFG, the KQ villains never had any comebacks (except for Manannan, and he was just a cat)

About KQ6, you must remember that Alhazred was the main antagonist in the game who couldn't perform any magic himself that's why he used Shamir to spread mischief in the Isles. Infact, if Alhazred didn't have Shamir he would've easily been arrested for murdering King Caliphim & Queen Allaria.

I don't think he would have been arrested - IIRC in KQ6 no one even thought the deaths of Caliphim & Allaria were murders, including Cassima herself before Alex showed her Alhazrad's letter, and everyone say they died from heartbreak over the loss of Cassima.
The genie double of Cassima was only used to convince the guard-dogs that Cassima wanted to marry Alhazrad

[Storm]

Cassie, you're saying that the family of Daventry is outnumbered just based on villains of the past.  But in LOTR, the fellowship got the aid of the dead army (or whatever they were called) at Helm's Deep, which no one even knew existed from only looking at the first two movies.  

IIRC, the army of the dead assisted them at Minas Tirith - Helm's Deep was in The Two Towers  
Anyways, in both cases the good guys were outnumbered  

[Yonkey]

Whoops, well yeah that was my point anyway.  The good guys were outnumbered, but were helped out.  

[DarkTerror]

I think with Malicia, the fact she was the way she was,was because she wasn't going to rule Etheria.

Malicia is still part of the royal family and everyone has some presdispotion to be what they are. She will still have the feelings that she wants to rule Etheria.

I don't think Malicia had a terrible childhood, there wasn't a whole lot to make her really evil. Like she was a princess of the fairies (she basically is because she isnt no Queen, but shes part of the family) and she had almost anything she wanted. Well thats what I think..

I wanted to ask in KQ7, there are 3 individuals who stop the Volcano. One is Oberon, the other is Titania. Is the other one Ceres? I never really knew, since its hard to tell.

[Storm]

Especially not here  

[DarkTerror]

Well, don't you think Titania and Oberon will raise Malicia similiar to how she was raised. Titania and Oberon have everything they want, and they'll probably give it to Malicia is she asks.

Compound it by the fact Titania and Oberon never had a child to raise. They'll probably spoil Malicia rotten again. Hmm I wonder what Edgar thinks of Malicia now that shes a baby.

[The Fat Emu]

To be especially picky, the Army of the Dead didn't help at the Pellenor Fields in the book. That was a movie-only thing, and thus is not canonical.

[Yonkey]

What did they do in the book?

[The Fat Emu]

They terrified the corsairs of Umbar and made it easy for Aragorn and co. to steal the ships.