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KQ Fan Game timeline variants.

Started by Baggins, February 01, 2011, 09:30:59 AM

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Baggins

#100
Klytos I think you might have uncovered the secret plotline of Royal Quest!

BTW, did you realize that your funny-time line places KQ7 before KQ4 (or at least changes Rosella to over twenty-one in KQ7)?:rofl: :suffer:
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Enchantermon

Quote from: Klitos on February 16, 2011, 04:33:05 PMIn an effort to help you out Baggins, I've created a graphical time-line which outlines the continuity of IA's KQ3.

I hope this is of some use.

http://www.infamous-adventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=4013.0
Wow, lol.
So what if I am, huh? Anyways, I work better when I'm drunk. It makes me fearless! If I see a bad guy, I'll just point my sword at him and saaaaaaaaaay, "Hey! Bad guy! You're not s'posed to be here! Go home or I'll stick you with my sword 'til you go, 'Ouch! I'm dead!' Ah-ha-ha!" Ha-ha. *hic* See? Ain't no one gonna be messin' wit' ol', Benny!

crayauchtin

If we're going to get nit-picky... (which we inevitable do :P)

Baggins, in reference to KQ5..... you said that it is mentioned it takes place in spring, correct?

Graham buys a cloak and they say it will prepare him for the coming winter? Correct?

Right there, right there, we have a timeline variant. If it were spring the tailor likely would have said "It is all that's left from our winter stock" because if it is spring winter has just ENDED, it is not coming. (Well, I mean, it is, but no one is preparing for it.)

The graphics of KQ5 look more fall-like -- watch the intro, there are trees on which the leaves are beginning to change color. I've included a graphic to prove this point. (And also, to explain why I don't make graphics. :P)

Therefore, the KQ3 remake actually FIXES King's Quest 5.

Anyways, what we mean by changes in the story is not the setting -- we're talking about whether or not the climate or holiday celebrations affect the plot. The only time this happens in KQ5, but it's not a climate caused by WHEN but how high up in the mountains you are.
In other words, the only thing IA's KQ3 changed is the fact that King's Quest 5 makes sense now.
"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

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Lambonius

Nice, cray.  :)

I like this logic.

Also, I like that you circled the mountains, even though they have absolutely nothing to do with your points.  ;)

KatieHal

He just wanted to make sure we enjoyed the view, too. :)

Katie Hallahan
~Designer, PR Director~

"Change is the constant, the signal for rebirth, the egg of the phoenix." Christina Baldwin

I have a blog!

crayauchtin

I circled the mountains because the one is the same color as some of the trees I circled. I wanted to make sure no one thought it was an enormous pine tree -- this is not QfG3 after all!
"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

We're roleplaying in the King's Quest world: come join in the fun!

Baggins

#106
Actually it could just mean that Daventry itself is in southern hemisphere and Serenia is northern hemisphere. The location of the fly over area is quite unclear. It seems to be relates to the river in Serenia.

If you read the time line articles I didn't directly figure the seasons into big detail. I mainly only figured in references to years and the ones made in KQ3IA.

If you go a step further from KQ6 Hintbook it may be suggested that Icebella maintains eternal winter for her domain, interestingly enough.

On a side note if klytos timeline is 'taken into consideration' the season is largely inconsequential since he placed KQ5 almost 4 years after KQ3. Clearly different take than than official games took. It's pointless to try to reconcile them.

Btw having lived in England and higher north areas I can vouch that there are indeed plants/bushes/trees that have red/yellow leaves/flowers all year round giving a different appearance than 'green' from a distance. So color of leaves is not always an indication of the season, btw. It can depend in the species of flora.

Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

crayauchtin

Quote from: Baggins on February 18, 2011, 01:51:27 PM
Actually it could just mean that Daventry itself is in southern hemisphere and Serenia is northern hemisphere. The location of the fly over area is quite unclear. It seems to be relates to the river in Serenia.
Most of the timeline is from the Companion, right?
The Companion has Serenia and Daventry next to each other, doesn't it?
Furthermore, Australians don't consider "spring" the time when leaves are dying. They still call that "fall" even though it's April.

QuoteIf you go a step further from KQ6 Hintbook it may be suggested that Icebella maintains eternal winter for her domain, interestingly enough.
While that's interesting to point out, it's also highly likely that it's eternal winter because of the altitude. Either way, it means the only time in King's Quest where the temperature is taken into account (unless you consider the KQ5 desert) is not reliant on the season in which the game takes place.

QuoteOn a side note if klytos timeline is 'taken into consideration' the season is largely inconsequential since he placed KQ5 almost 4 years after KQ3. Clearly different take than than official games took. It's pointless to try to reconcile them.
Of course it is -- that one is a joke. :P

QuoteBtw having lived in England and higher north areas I can vouch that there are indeed plants/bushes/trees that have red/yellow leaves/flowers all year round giving a different appearance than 'green' from a distance. So color of leaves is not always an indication of the season, btw. It can depend in the species of flora.
These are details obviously not everyone knows about that area -- and as such, in creating a setting (which is what you're saying is so important -- and you are correct that setting is important) for a wide audience, as they were doing in KQ5, you're going to use red/yellow/orange foliage to indicate autumn. Roberta Williams is smart enough to not assume that people would understand it otherwise.
"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

We're roleplaying in the King's Quest world: come join in the fun!

Baggins

#108
QuoteFurthermore, Australians don't consider "spring" the time when leaves are dying. They still call that "fall" even though it's April.

That's actually the point I was trying to make, that when its spring in the northern hemisphere, its fall in the southern hemisphere. The same is reversed for summer and winter.

We have never actualy discussed the Companion in this topic btw. I've already pointed out earlier that the Companion has its own timeline, that causes issues with other factors given by other official sources.

There are litterally like 3-4 differetn 'official' timelines.

Go check out the "official timeline" topic, somewhere down a ways.

official timelines

While Roberta had some involvement with the Companion, that doesn't necessarily mean her interpretation of Daventry had the two places close to each other, as Peter Spear placed them.

Infact if you go back to KQ3, Serenia wasn't even part of continent of Daventry.

As for the Roberta and colors of trees, check out KQ1SCI, there are areas in the game where trees look like "fall colors", but the game mentions it being spring at several points during the game (spring flowers are growing, etc). Granted it also has a bit where the "squirrels are collecting nuts for the coming winter". Nah, I don't think Roberta connected visuals to her descriptions in their entirety. She'd claim that a game takes place in spring in one location, and lie clues that its some unspecific time before "winter" in the same game.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

crayauchtin

In KQ3, Serenia didn't exist yet. Much like, in KQ2, Llewdor didn't exist yet. It hardly seems fair to hold the fact that it didn't exist against it.

Anyways, even the "Official Timeline" on the Omnipedia -- not the Companion Timeline -- has citations from the Companion on it.
"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

We're roleplaying in the King's Quest world: come join in the fun!

Baggins

#110
Actually Serenia predates King's Quest in Roberta's mind, btw. Having appeared in a game long before KQ.

QuoteAnyways, even the "Official Timeline" on the Omnipedia -- not the Companion Timeline -- has citations from the Companion on it.

There isn't "an official timeline" on the omnipedia, there are 4-5 articles with the alternate variations from the various official sources. Pay attention :).

'Official' King's Quest Timelines
There is a main disambig article (that is being constructed), that includes all the conflicting dates, showing where they differ from each other (so it may list 2-3 different birthdates for the twins for example).
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Lambonius

Regardless of the main series games, I can vouch for the fact that the season is a MAJOR plot element in KOS, and will be a huge part of our game.  ;)

Baggins

Ya, Lambonius you are right. Seasons was a major plot element in the original KoS, :D.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

crayauchtin

It's not a particularly good disambiguation page since it (clearly) is making things more ambiguous. :P I think that's generally why most disambiguation pages look more like this. (I mean, seriously, aside from the timeline there that's the most in-depth disambiguation I can find.) That's not a disambig, that's an article.
That's all beside the point, however.

Anyways, since the timeline on that page offers the most detailed version of the time between 3 and 4 and it includes information from the Companion, I feel completely unapologetic about referring to the Companion's map.

Serenia as part of the King's Quest franchise did not exist until King's Quest 5. It was not mentioned in the games, was it? We did not have "King's Quest 1: Adventure in Serenia". We had "Adventure in Serenia" and "King's Quest 1: Quest for the Crown". Yes, now we consider it a part of the same world but that's primarily because Serenia reappeared in King's Quest 5.
"If your translation is correct, that was 'May a sleepy hippopotamus lie down on your house keys,' but you're not sure. Unfortunately, your fluency in griffin-speak is too low."

We're roleplaying in the King's Quest world: come join in the fun!

Baggins

#114
The disambig is actually at the top of the article, check the links to the other pages.

That timeline will actually will list all the alternate dates for when KQ3 and KQ4 take place chronologically. Based on some accounts 20 years before, KQ1, and by other accounts closer to 24. There is a good five year alternate dates given for those events.

It will make little sense to you as a proper timeline once, its complete. It rather mirrors more like the Police Quest chronology, and the one I've been working on for Gabriel Knight Omnipedia. I've also been working on a similar one for the QFG timelines as well.

The timeline that perhaps you originaly found the most clear (or rather it was the only timeline on the omnipedia at one pont) was actually the KQ4 Timeline (it used the KQ4 manual information strictly, but ignored certain aspects of other material, such as some of the references in the Companion itself relating to the timing of KQ2 for example). Even still there are two versions of that one, since basically, one would have to ignore the companion timeline, to utilize the KQ6 dates (KQ6 is about six months after KQ5, or 1 year depending on the source)!

So you'll find each of the side articles, may have 2 or more separate variant timelines of their own in the specific articles.

But each of the pages, share elements from each source, just reinterpreted around facts established by a each alternate timeline. So I have incorporated elements from the companion into each timeline, but they may not necessarily fit the timeline given in the companion itself.

In anycase, the continent being one or separate doesn't really mean anything, if the hemispheres split through the center of the "larger continent". You'd still have seasons different on one side, than the other.

Being a connected continent really has nothing to do with what side of the equator land may be on. It's the distance from the equator that affects the seasons.

As was the case with some of the super continents such as Pangea.

BTW, even the companion isn't consistent with the continents, the companion actually describes Serenia as being seperate from Daventry during the KQ3 period!  

It also describes daventry as more or less spring during KQ5, while winter is going on in mountains of Serenia! It even describes Serenia or at least mountains to the northern sea as being basically towards the Arctic far-north geographically.
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

Blackthorne

Holy Sweet Sweetbreads!  My head asplode.  There is entirely too much thinking about such mundane details here.  It's like you got together and smoked forty bongloads of weed and just started talking!

I don't think I ever thought this much about any subject in my life!


Bt
"You've got to keep one eye looking over your shoulder
you know it's going to get harder and harder as you
get older - but in the end you'll pack up, fly down south, hide your head in the sand.  Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer." - Dogs, Pink Floyd.

snabbott


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KatieHal

BT, you've expressed your opinion on this already. Let's not start that up again, okay? If it's not for you, don't bother commenting on it.

Katie Hallahan
~Designer, PR Director~

"Change is the constant, the signal for rebirth, the egg of the phoenix." Christina Baldwin

I have a blog!

Klitos

Quote from: Baggins on February 18, 2011, 01:51:27 PMOn a side note if klytos timeline is 'taken into consideration' the season is largely inconsequential since he placed KQ5 almost 4 years after KQ3. Clearly different take than than official games took. It's pointless to try to reconcile them.

Please Please Please Please Please see my time-line as what it is. A JOKE. It is never to be taken into consideration for anything except maybe for printing out and whipping your ass with if you run out of toilet paper. For God's sake, I killed the Fairy Godmother because she allowed Valanice to get pregnant!

JOKE!

JOKE!!

JOKE!!!
Adriana: You were saying she's got a nice ass!
Christopher: I was trying to say something positive because she is your friend.

Blackthorne

Quote from: KatieHal on February 18, 2011, 05:17:32 PM
BT, you've expressed your opinion on this already. Let's not start that up again, okay? If it's not for you, don't bother commenting on it.

Sorry, but like Klytos said - his timeline was a joke!  I was commenting on how amused I am at the discussion over a joke!


Bt
"You've got to keep one eye looking over your shoulder
you know it's going to get harder and harder as you
get older - but in the end you'll pack up, fly down south, hide your head in the sand.  Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer." - Dogs, Pink Floyd.