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I don't care...:King's Quest
« on: February 08, 2011, 10:49:44 PM »
So what various aspects of King's Quest do each person individualy not "care about"?

In other words what aspects of KQ do you not care about?
« Last Edit: February 08, 2011, 10:52:08 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2011, 11:52:36 AM »
Interesting question...may I ask why you are asking?
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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2011, 11:59:05 AM »
Interesting question...may I ask why you are asking?
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So what if I am, huh? Anyways, I work better when I'm drunk. It makes me fearless! If I see a bad guy, I'll just point my sword at him and saaaaaaaaaay, "Hey! Bad guy! You're not s'posed to be here! Go home or I'll stick you with my sword 'til you go, 'Ouch! I'm dead!' Ah-ha-ha!" Ha-ha. *hic* See? Ain't no one gonna be messin' wit' ol', Benny!

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2011, 12:04:26 PM »
Got it.
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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 12:06:49 PM »
So, are we talking about just the originals or fan games? I ask because I should clarify what I stated in the other thread. It's cool seeing a timeline of original events and all, but when it comes to fan remakes that make changes to the timeline, I don't really care about how those changes affect the original games, because those changes are not official canon.
Note that this does not include TSL because:
1. It's not a remake.
2. There are no games after it that it would contradict.

Similarly, if Activision were to release KQIX and it conflicted with some of the things that happened in TSL, I wouldn't really care how TSL's timeline would affect KQIX, because they're in two separate timelines.

That being said, since there is no official KQIX, I choose to think of TSL as it anyway. ^_^
So what if I am, huh? Anyways, I work better when I'm drunk. It makes me fearless! If I see a bad guy, I'll just point my sword at him and saaaaaaaaaay, "Hey! Bad guy! You're not s'posed to be here! Go home or I'll stick you with my sword 'til you go, 'Ouch! I'm dead!' Ah-ha-ha!" Ha-ha. *hic* See? Ain't no one gonna be messin' wit' ol', Benny!

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 12:11:19 PM »
So, are we talking about just the originals or fan games? I ask because I should clarify what I stated in the other thread. It's cool seeing a timeline of original events and all, but when it comes to fan remakes that make changes to the timeline, I don't really care about how those changes affect the original games, because those changes are not official canon.
Yeah, I agree.  I've never played the remakes before, so I don't particularly care what happens in them.  To me, they don't affect the timeline for the official King's Quest games, so I just kind of skim over anything relating to them.
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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 12:17:08 PM »
You really should; they're definitely worth it. I just don't think of them in terms of affecting the whole timeline.
So what if I am, huh? Anyways, I work better when I'm drunk. It makes me fearless! If I see a bad guy, I'll just point my sword at him and saaaaaaaaaay, "Hey! Bad guy! You're not s'posed to be here! Go home or I'll stick you with my sword 'til you go, 'Ouch! I'm dead!' Ah-ha-ha!" Ha-ha. *hic* See? Ain't no one gonna be messin' wit' ol', Benny!

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 12:49:36 PM »
Note that this does not include TSL because:
1. It's not a remake.
2. There are no games after it that it would contradict.

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2011, 01:02:26 PM »
That said, Enchantermon, we do have some ideas in our games that contradict earlier ones (i.e., Mannanan saying he had no intention to kill Alexander at any point).

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2011, 01:11:18 PM »
That said, Enchantermon, we do have some ideas in our games that contradict earlier ones (i.e., Mannanan saying he had no intention to kill Alexander at any point).

Well mannanan never explicitly said he was going to kill alexander to begin with, did he? I mean, yes, it was implied, but never explicitly stated. Or at least not that I can remember.
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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2011, 01:15:08 PM »
Yeah, but is that reality? Alexander is still in a coma when that scene was shown, so I was under the assumption that it was all in his head, and there fore not necessarily reality.

And yes, that's a rhetorical question, because I know it'll only be answered with a suffer. ;)
So what if I am, huh? Anyways, I work better when I'm drunk. It makes me fearless! If I see a bad guy, I'll just point my sword at him and saaaaaaaaaay, "Hey! Bad guy! You're not s'posed to be here! Go home or I'll stick you with my sword 'til you go, 'Ouch! I'm dead!' Ah-ha-ha!" Ha-ha. *hic* See? Ain't no one gonna be messin' wit' ol', Benny!

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2011, 01:23:11 PM »
True--that conversation DID look like it all happened in Alex's head.

Yes, Mannanan never SAYS he's going to kill you, but obviously we played around with the intentions that are more heavily implied in KQ3 that he does intend to do so.

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2011, 01:26:10 PM »
I think you can discuss what you don't care about the original or what you don't care about fan games. It's all open.

I actually am interested in everything, so its hard for me to choose what I don't care for. I suppose I like the original games more than I like the remakes, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the fan games for what they are.

I also guess of all the official games, I care the least for KQ7. It is far too cheesy, has the worst villain...

I don't see fan games as affecting other timelines (i.e. affecting the official timeline), but creating their own timelines. But that's discussed in the other thread.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 08:01:38 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2011, 02:07:13 PM »
I find certain things fascinating to think about sometimes in relation to fiction lore in general, but I don't care about them as much as some people do.

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2011, 02:09:35 PM »
I think you can discuss what you don't care about the original or what you don't care about fan games. It's all open.
Cool.
True--that conversation DID look like it all happened in Alex's head.
And even if it was reality (or a reality of some sort), Manannan could always be lying, trying to take hold of Alexander and turn him against his family (or at least break him). Or it could not be Manannan at all (since for all we know, he's still a cat), but instead Shadrack or someone else impersonating him.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 02:11:14 PM by Enchantermon »
So what if I am, huh? Anyways, I work better when I'm drunk. It makes me fearless! If I see a bad guy, I'll just point my sword at him and saaaaaaaaaay, "Hey! Bad guy! You're not s'posed to be here! Go home or I'll stick you with my sword 'til you go, 'Ouch! I'm dead!' Ah-ha-ha!" Ha-ha. *hic* See? Ain't no one gonna be messin' wit' ol', Benny!

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2011, 05:25:13 PM »
True--that conversation DID look like it all happened in Alex's head.
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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2011, 07:45:17 PM »
The whole "manannan" intended to kill Alexander bit was implied by the KQ3 manual story (which explains his tradition of killing his slaves when they turn eighteen);

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And so he went on, every 17 years kidnapping a small boy from his loving parents, then slaying him on the 18th anniversary of his birth. (Occasionally the cycle was shortened slightly, when he unfortunately chose a precocious child that learned too much before his 18th year.)

It is alluded to when take the magic wand from the cabinet,

 
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"Narrator: You take it with you, knowing it could mean death if he finds it missing".


It is also part of the  special death ending in the game if you make too many mistakes or are caught with contraband;
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"Manannan: You've discovered the secrets of `The Sorcery of Old.' Never again will you disobey me." ZAP!
There may be a few more references in KQ3, but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

It's later mentioned more specifically in the later game manuals and in-game summaries in KQ5 and KQ6.

But you have explained you reasoning for changing things already.

« Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 08:08:29 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2011, 09:04:23 PM »
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The whole "manannan" intended to kill Alexander bit was implied by the KQ3 manual story (which explains his tradition of killing his slaves when they turn eighteen);

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And so he went on, every 17 years kidnapping a small boy from his loving parents, then slaying him on the 18th anniversary of his birth. (Occasionally the cycle was shortened slightly, when he unfortunately chose a precocious child that learned too much before his 18th year.)

Whew.  Now that that's done...I just want to add that I would call that more of an explicit statement than an ambiguous implication.  ;)

What do they call it in math--the transitive property?  If a = b and b = c, then a = c.  Manannan intends to kill all his slaves when they turn 18.  Alexander is Manannan's slave.  Therefore, Manannan intends to kill Alexander when he turns 18.  Easy peasy.
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2011, 09:05:48 PM »
I'm playing through the IA KQ3 again...

You know I don't care so much for the timer in the game... its absolutely worthless. It's not there to add a challenge, as there is no fear or danger of running out of time (since you don't have to climb back up the mountain everytime you go down the mountain). It's easy to pick up items, so very little time is actually wasted. You can finish every spell during Manannan's first trip.

But then you have to wait something like an hour or two for Manannan to leave on his second trip and return to get the secret cutscene ... You can't even task switch to allow the timer run in the background (the game pauses if you task switch).

It's all a waste of time, and the only thing in the game I consider poor design choice.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 09:22:50 PM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: I don't care...:King's Quest
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2011, 09:17:18 PM »


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