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Title: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 21, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
One thing that makes my head race in the game- SPECIALLY now that the plot is thickening further and further, is who the heck this Ranger guy is.

To make an educated guess on this, I'd have to say he's either:-

The leader of the Silver Cloaks
A Mole from the Black Cloaks
Someone we use to know in previous KQ games that may have grown up
Someone TOTALLY new
OR- I wonder if he's a projection by one of the Twins. I'm picking Alexander for this more than Rosella cause the Ranger is about his size and shape... and he's obviously the same gender

So yeah- thought's on the guy? Anyone seen any art posted of him on the internet? I've seen a few and that's it

(http://images.wikia.com/kingsquest/images/5/5b/Doomwarner.jpeg)

(http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/465588-the-silver-lining-episode-2-two-households-windows-screenshot.jpg)

And I did some fanart of him too just cause

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/051/f/f/tsl__ranger_by_arkillian-d39ynmz.jpg)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on February 21, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
Actually, he's totally a gender confused female. But we were trying to downplay that on the team XD :rofl:

In all seriousness, I can't tell you who this guy is, other than the fact that he actually turns into a power ranger later on. No, I'm serious. Seriously. Would I ever lie to you guys?

Nice fan-art btw! You're very talented, Arkillian!
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 21, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
I didn't expect you to hon :) I'm wondering if others are wondering who he is too :)

And thank you DD :) It was meant to be a quick sketch but I screwed up the colours so much that I had to double my efforts to not waste the line art XD
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: LightWarrior on February 21, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
I'd say Aragorn but he's a range of the North rather then a silver cloak. :P

Wrong Faction.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 21, 2011, 05:52:22 PM
Wrong story too... Although I wouldn't disapprove if it were true :)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: liggy002 on February 21, 2011, 06:17:43 PM
I'm a beta tester on the team and I don't even know who this guy really is.... so don't feel so bad if you think i'm ahead of the curve on that one.  As for who he is, I think someone mentioned that he made an appearance in King's Quest VII though I didn't notice that, I'd have to play the game again to see if I spot him.  That's all the information I know at this point so we can only speculate until we either get Episode 4 or 5.  I'm not sure if he is revealed in 4 or in 5.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Enchantermon on February 21, 2011, 07:35:11 PM
The only character in KQVII that looks remotely like him is Edgar, and I highly doubt it's him.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 21, 2011, 07:59:22 PM
Oh- don't get me wrong! This thread is about speculation! I don't want people to tell me who he is! That'd spoil the game for me :)  I want to know people's guesses and theories on him :)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Hbech on February 21, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
The only ranger that was in King's Quest 7 was a ghost in the desert whose spirit was set free by Valanice giving him water. He was rather lanky tho, so I don't think he quite fits the build. I think he's Shadrack's equal opposite on the Silver Cloak side, perhaps a spirit of one of those who sealed him away in that stone.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 21, 2011, 10:38:21 PM
The only ranger that was in King's Quest 7 was a ghost in the desert whose spirit was set free by Valanice giving him water. He was rather lanky tho, so I don't think he quite fits the build. I think he's Shadrack's equal opposite on the Silver Cloak side, perhaps a spirit of one of those who sealed him away in that stone.

This is also very true. Perhaps someone is channelling the previous Silver Cloaks.

It intrigues me though that he wears his scarf like Alexander does though... that's kinda what makes me think it's a project of him and what he's learnt about the Black and Silver cloaks through his research...
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: rms1975 on February 21, 2011, 10:54:21 PM
There is ONE person that hasn't been mentioned. He's in KQVIII and kind of important. They DID say early on that this character plays a role in the game!
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 21, 2011, 11:41:14 PM
I haven't played Mask of eternity. I'm not into that kind of game. Who is the character?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: wilco64256 on February 22, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Well I'll tell you who the ranger isn't:

Cedric

Also not:

Graham

Also not:

Me
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: KatieHal on February 22, 2011, 08:15:29 AM
That last one's a lie. It's totally Weldon.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: snabbott on February 22, 2011, 08:29:49 AM
Seriously. Would I ever lie to you guys?
Yes... ::)

I have no idea who he is, either. He seems to have some sort of connection to the Silver Cloaks, but other than that, he's pretty much a complete mystery. Maybe he's just a figment of Graham's imagination...
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: NW15 on February 22, 2011, 08:52:27 AM
Ya, who is that Ranger guy...

Maybe is part of Alexander? He could be a hallucination of Alexander that left his body. He could be a different part of his personality.

Does this make sense?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: drusain on February 22, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
I think it's got to be someone we know. Why cover his face if he's a stranger to us anyway? I wish I had played KQ8 now but that's the only one I haven't played. It should be someone who's displayed magic to us before?

One thought comes to mind:

We know now that Manannan isn't exactly a terrible person, or at least not as terrible as Shadrack. At the end of Chapter 3 it's shown that Manannan and Shadrack are not BFF or anything. Perhaps Manannan will end up being the ranger trying to help Graham in his quest because he wants redemption for what he did to Valanice and also to defy Shadrack. It's kind of a weak idea though since Manannan should still be a cat and it's clear from KQ5 that he can't just shapeshift himself back into a person. On the other hand, we haven't yet seen proof that Manannan is currently a cat.

Edit- Now that I think of it, this theory would sort of fit into the theme that every cloud has a silver lining. I hope this one's right  ;D

Something a little more likely to me but less cool is:

Edgar said he wanted to go with him, and when I first saw the ranger I thought he had a semblance to Edgar. But why would Edgar know anything about the Cloaks if he didn't even remember who he was until like yesterday? So it's an "eh" thought

Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 22, 2011, 02:22:10 PM
Ya, who is that Ranger guy...

Maybe is part of Alexander? He could be a hallucination of Alexander that left his body. He could be a different part of his personality.

Does this make sense?

This is what I thought. That, and he has the scarf that Alexander wears- different colour, but there's a similar fashion sense. I wonder if he's projecting just like Shadrack does. He apparently knew a lot of dark arts.

Weldon works too- perhaps he projected himself into the game with his avatar? ;) *fangirl snort*


I think it's got to be someone we know. Why cover his face if he's a stranger to us anyway? I wish I had played KQ8 now but that's the only one I haven't played. It should be someone who's displayed magic to us before?

One thought comes to mind:

We know now that Manannan isn't exactly a terrible person, or at least not as terrible as Shadrack. At the end of Chapter 3 it's shown that Manannan and Shadrack are not BFF or anything. Perhaps Manannan will end up being the ranger trying to help Graham in his quest because he wants redemption for what he did to Valanice and also to defy Shadrack. It's kind of a weak idea though since Manannan should still be a cat and it's clear from KQ5 that he can't just shapeshift himself back into a person. On the other hand, we haven't yet seen proof that Manannan is currently a cat.

Edit- Now that I think of it, this theory would sort of fit into the theme that every cloud has a silver lining. I hope this one's right  ;D

Something a little more likely to me but less cool is:

Edgar said he wanted to go with him, and when I first saw the ranger I thought he had a semblance to Edgar. But why would Edgar know anything about the Cloaks if he didn't even remember who he was until like yesterday? So it's an "eh" thought



Doubt if it's Edgar. Edgar doesn't have a clue what's going on, and he's been at the castle the whole time. Hope it's not Manannan cause frankly, he doesn't deserve a full redemption. Perhaps eventual sympathy, but not redemption. If he wants that, he should do it out in the open.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on February 22, 2011, 02:26:06 PM
When I first saw the ranger, I was convinced it was the desert spirit from KQ7.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 22, 2011, 02:38:50 PM
When I first saw the ranger, I was convinced it was the desert spirit from KQ7.

Oh- please no T.T That spirit made my brain dehydrate. HE was awefull. If Phoenix decides it's him then I reject the notion in my head canon. The Ranger has a TRUCK tone more personality than Mr Emo ever would.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: liggy002 on February 22, 2011, 02:57:03 PM
Maybe it's possible that the Ranger is just a character we haven't seen before.  Either that, or he is Connor.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 22, 2011, 03:01:54 PM
IT's entirely possible he's a unique character- I'd assume he's plot critical if he is though. Why do you think he's Connor?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Enchantermon on February 22, 2011, 03:23:36 PM
Mr Emo
That made me giggle. ^_^
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: drusain on February 22, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Maybe it's possible that the Ranger is just a character we haven't seen before.  Either that, or he is Connor.

I haven't play KQ8 but I wouldn't think it would be Connor because Graham says in the pawnshop that he was guarding the castle while the family was away. From what I hear about Connor from the game dialogue, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person to disobey his orders and run around in the Green Isles.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 22, 2011, 08:13:32 PM
Me either. Connor sounded like he passionately wanted to be a knight and that was his thing. I have no reason to think that he moonlit as a Doomsday bringer.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: NW15 on February 22, 2011, 08:29:07 PM
Ya, who is that Ranger guy...

Maybe is part of Alexander? He could be a hallucination of Alexander that left his body. He could be a different part of his personality.

Does this make sense?

This is what I thought. That, and he has the scarf that Alexander wears- different colour, but there's a similar fashion sense. I wonder if he's projecting just like Shadrack does. He apparently knew a lot of dark arts.

Yes, I know. I am agree with you. ;D
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: liggy002 on February 23, 2011, 03:09:30 PM
Yeah, it probably isn't Connor unless he can somehow be in two places at the same time.  It's happened before in fiction. 
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on February 23, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
Guys, guys; it's cedric. I mean come on. It's OBVIOUS! Crispin cast a spell on him to make him less annoying and what not.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: EmptyNirvana on February 23, 2011, 04:21:45 PM
I rather like the idea of Edgar as the Ranger. It seems to make a great deal of sense, as well as bringing strength to an otherwise weak character.

Point one: In the beginning of the first episode, Titania and Oberon let slip that there is something not quite right about Edgar and his relationship to them. In episode two/three, he also mentions that his appearance as a human is unusual for fairies - and this trait doesn't seem to be from either of his parents.  What this means is, for now, purely speculation, but the writers made a point of not once, but twice, pointing out that there's something unusual about Edgar.

Point two: Edgar has indeed traveled with his identity hidden by a cloak - in KQ7.  The cloaks are remarkably similar, and the fact that they both obscure his identity is important.  As was previously mentioned, the reasons that the Ranger's identity is hidden are twofold: one because Graham and other characters would recognize him, which he does not want, and two because the player would recognize him, which the designers do not want. His motivation for moving unseen is unclear, but he has done so before, and has the magical abilities to do what the Ranger has done.

Point three: Edgar's apparent inaction is suspicious - especially compared to his previous willingness to go against powerful sorceresses to help Rosella.  His actions were important to the defeat of both Lolotte and Malicia.  His fatigue would also make a great deal more sense if he were, in fact, moving clandestinely at night.

Point four: Edgar's entire character is based on hidden identity, being more than he seems, and proving his strength (if at times ineffective) despite his appearance.  In KQ4, his introduction as the ghoulish son of Lolotte belies his true nature, just as much as his transformation by Malicia into the Troll King in KQ7.  It would be quite fitting if his finale also carried this theme.

So, though it may be a long shot, I'll be placing my bets on Edgar.  After all, it's the quiet and the meek that surprise us the most.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on February 23, 2011, 04:34:37 PM
Here's one big problem though with that theory: WHY would he conceal the information he knows from King Graham? There's no logical reason for him to do so. If he knows anything about the black and silver cloaks, why wouldn't he straight up tell King Graham? I mean, Shamir didn't dress up and prance around at night just to tell Graham that he knows something. Sorry to say, but I'm pretty sure it isn't Edgar. Also, please note: I DO NOT know the identity of the ranger myself. The team hasn't (yet) told me who he/she/it is. So I'm as clueless as all of you as to who he is.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 23, 2011, 05:58:17 PM
The Edgar point would be nice though. Edgar is a flat character, but sometimes it nice to not have every character in the story be super important. I'm sure Edgar will play a bigger role.

OK- you've convinced me of it possibly being Edgar being all faery, or Alexander projecting. Two options. *head spins*
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: liggy002 on February 23, 2011, 08:28:50 PM
I don't want the Ranger character to be Edgar and there are a couple of reasons for that:

1. First, although I like Edgar as a character in the story, I don't like that the Royal Family has been saving the Green Isles for the most part while not leaving any room for heroic strangers to step in and save the day - that is the one thing that I liked about King's Quest 8.

2. We need a new major character in the story who hasn't previously been introduced.  Ranger should be that new, mysterious stranger and should be unrelated to the story.  He should also play a significant role in saving the Green Isles.  Graham and his family shouldn't take all of the credit this time.  The Silver Cloaks, for instance, might return and help the Royal Family abolish the Evil of the Black Cloaks.

3. Edgar is cool and all, but I really don't see him as Ranger at all.  That's just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 24, 2011, 06:08:12 AM
I don't want the Ranger character to be Edgar and there are a couple of reasons for that:

1. First, although I like Edgar as a character in the story, I don't like that the Royal Family has been saving the Green Isles for the most part while not leaving any room for heroic strangers to step in and save the day - that is the one thing that I liked about King's Quest 8.

2. We need a new major character in the story who hasn't previously been introduced.  Ranger should be that new, mysterious stranger and should be unrelated to the story.  He should also play a significant role in saving the Green Isles.  Graham and his family shouldn't take all of the credit this time.  The Silver Cloaks, for instance, might return and help the Royal Family abolish the Evil of the Black Cloaks.

3. Edgar is cool and all, but I really don't see him as Ranger at all.  That's just my humble opinion.

I see your point, and I like Edgar as just who he is right now too. I suspect Cassima is going to be a support only role in this too, although it'd be nice for Edgar to develop a little in this game since he always seems so withdrawn. I'd like to think that the Ranger will be significant. He's already made his point of being the cool mysterious kid on the block- why ditch him for some other protagonist? I'd like to see it be a team event too. That's why I listed the option of someone we knew in the past and someone entirely knew. Problem with this option is it's difficult to for see what they're doing till they do it ;) Lol. I Think I'd be happy if the Ranger was someone we knew or didn't know, as long as the Silver Cloaks pimped up the party for the epic battle :) It'd TOTALLY be cool to see some unexpected person in the Silver Cloaks team. HECK. Maybe Edgar is on the Silver cloaks team, but he's not the Ranger. That I could see happening more than him being the Ranger actually. It's intriguing :)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: glottal on February 25, 2011, 06:45:53 AM
While I hadn't thought about it very much, I think the idea of the stranger being Alexander is pretty cool ... but just like with Edgar, I don't see Alexander hiding his identity from Graham.  Wouldn't he want to reassure his Dad, at the very least?

Though that give me another idea ... I only think this has a 1% chance of being the case but...

Maybe it's King Edward.  Alexander and Rosella brought him back as a younger man, and he knew all this stuff about the cloaked societies, yet he doesn't want to shock Graham.  Okay, that's not a particularly good reason to shock Graham, but I think Edward is more likely to hide his identity than Alexander or Edgar.

Oh I have a better idea - he is...

... the minstrel from KQ4.  He is too embarrassed by his minstrel past to reveal his identity.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on February 25, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
If he's a projection of Alexander, he doesn't need to be aware that he's doing it. It may be subconscious in which case he's not thinking it through and it's panning out like a dream. The dream creation of his may not pick up that Graham is Alexander's father.

I think Graham would be pretty creaped out if that was his predecessor O.o
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: mythosopher on February 27, 2011, 09:43:15 PM
Has anyone ever played the Thief series? He totally reminds me of Garrett.

On the theory of it being the ghost in the desert in KQ7, I believe he is tied to a theory about "The Wanderer" would would explain some.

Or it could be Derek Karlavaegen, the author of the Guidebook to the Land of the Green Isles, and "co-author" to the Companions.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Enchantermon on February 27, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
Has anyone ever played the Thief series? He totally reminds me of Garrett.
Eh? No, not really. The Ranger actually acts like he wants to help (or, at least, that's what it seems). Garrett wouldn't lift a finger unless it endangered his way of life, and then he wouldn't interact with others but instead go about doing things his way.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: mythosopher on February 27, 2011, 10:00:40 PM
Has anyone ever played the Thief series? He totally reminds me of Garrett.
Eh? No, not really. The Ranger actually acts like he wants to help (or, at least, that's what it seems). Garrett wouldn't lift a finger unless it endangered his way of life, and then he wouldn't interact with others but instead go about doing things his way.
Touche'. I was thinking attire-wise, rather than character-wise though.

I would think the Ranger has conscious previous ties with the Silver Cloaks, since he knows so much about them (i.e. not Alexander's projection, for example). Besides, if the last 12 Silver Cloaks trapped themselves in the Zodia Stone, don't you think they'd be smart enough to have some sort of Apprentice to keep an eye on things while they were incapacitated?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Enchantermon on February 27, 2011, 10:02:16 PM
Touche'. I was thinking attire-wise, rather than character-wise though.
Ah. Well then, yeah, kinda.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: drusain on March 03, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
I don't know.. I always go back to the fact that we never see eyes or hair. Move/video game logic usually says that the reason someone's eyes and hair aren't revealed is because it's someone we would recognize. Otherwise, what's the point of covering the face of a stranger?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on March 03, 2011, 09:01:40 PM
I don't know.. I always go back to the fact that we never see eyes or hair. Move/video game logic usually says that the reason someone's eyes and hair aren't revealed is because it's someone we would recognize. Otherwise, what's the point of covering the face of a stranger?

It makes it cool and breaks established norms perhaps?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on March 03, 2011, 09:50:24 PM
I don't know.. I always go back to the fact that we never see eyes or hair. Move/video game logic usually says that the reason someone's eyes and hair aren't revealed is because it's someone we would recognize. Otherwise, what's the point of covering the face of a stranger?

I agree. You can make a cool character mysterious VERY easy and still show who they are. Hiding identity from the viewer means they want the identity to be a surprise cause there isn't anything new to learn about them except that they now represent this group *cue points for solving problems music*

The other option is that the face is mearly that and everything under it doesn't exist. I like to think he's more physical than an aberration though. He does disappear, but I like to think he's a being that possesses magic.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on March 03, 2011, 10:33:49 PM
I don't know.. I always go back to the fact that we never see eyes or hair. Move/video game logic usually says that the reason someone's eyes and hair aren't revealed is because it's someone we would recognize. Otherwise, what's the point of covering the face of a stranger?
The other option is that the face is mearly that and everything under it doesn't exist. I like to think he's more physical than an aberration though. He does disappear, but I like to think he's a being that possesses magic.

Anubis from Stargate SG1 springs to mind instantly. If you're unfamiliar with Stargate, allow me to explain this bit in spoiler tags so as not to spoil the show's later seasons for those wondering.

Basically, Anubis is evil. A long time ago, he tried to Ascend to a higher plain of existence. The Ancients, the race that invented the Stargate network, have ascended as well. Their cardinal rule is to not interfere with the lower plains, and only "good" people can ascend. Anubis tricked them. Once they found out, they cast him out, but somehow he got trapped in between life and ascension. The cloak he wears is the only thing giving him a physical presence in our reality. Without it, he technically doesn't exist. Oh how I love Stargate.

(http://www.zianet.com/jsager/anubis1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on March 03, 2011, 10:47:40 PM
I know Stargate Atlantis I think... I don't remember seeing that creature though.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on March 03, 2011, 10:56:12 PM
I know Stargate Atlantis I think... I don't remember seeing that creature though.

Because he was from Stargate SG1, not Atlantis. SG1 predates Atlantis.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on March 03, 2011, 11:08:17 PM
So not in the story line with the Jaffar and all the... stuff... Actually, it was a while ago I watched it ^^;
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on March 03, 2011, 11:19:54 PM
So not in the story line with the Jaffar and all the... stuff... Actually, it was a while ago I watched it ^^;

Well, he was a Go'auld and previously a System Lord, so it was most definitely during the Jaffa story arc... Basically, his storyline happened before the Ori came into the picture. At the point he's introduced, Apophis has been defeated (for like, the 5th time...), Daniel has already died and joined the Ancients in Ascension, and yeah... I'm tempted to pull out my Complete Collection set and start watching Stargate right now. I actually kind of want to rewatch the entire series, and finally get to finishing Atlantis. I'm only half-way through season 3 I think.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on March 03, 2011, 11:42:17 PM
I... missed alot of episodes cause I was joining my friends for Sci-fi nights. Back then it was hard to follow cause I was new to sci-fi. I'm part of Rovers (Scouting), so I'm busy some weekends doing service, camps or what not so I have gaps. I'm more familier with Babylon 5, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dr Who, and a few others. I missed alot of Stargate.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Damar on March 09, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Basically I have two possible theories on who the Ranger is.  I've posted them in the theories of what's to come thread, but I will write them here, since this is about the Ranger specifically.

Theory One:

The Ranger is a Silver Cloak.  He's the only one left after the other 12 sealed themselves in the Zodia Stone to trap Shadrack.  The Ranger was a coward at the last moment though, and didn't follow through and that's why the bonds aren't holding Shadrack in the stone and he's ready to break out.  This actually makes sense in a way because there are technically 13 signs of the Zodiac due to the elliptical path of the sun (it's basically like a leap year sign) so scientifically speaking there should be 13 Silver Cloaks as they're all based on the signs of the Zodiac (the leader's name was Leo as we learned in episode 2).  This also explains why the Ranger seems kind of dark and depressed.  He knows that he could have stopped all this before it started.  He's also guiding Graham and I think that Graham will ultimately sacrifice himself by sealing himself into the Zodia Stone thereby atoning for the Ranger's cowardice and insuring that Shadrack is bound for all eternity never to return.

Theory Two:

The Ranger is a Silver Cloak who was left behind after the other Silver Cloaks sealed themselves into the Zodia Stone.  They left him behind because it was his job to continue the line of Silver Cloaks in case they were unsuccessful and Shadrack ever returned.  Over the years, unaging by his magic, the Ranger has kept watch and had other children to keep the line alive (perhaps the same boys that Manannan kidnapped and slaughtered when they came of age?)  In this scenario, the Ranger is actually Graham's ancestor or biological father.  This would explain how Graham is related to the Silver Cloaks.  If this theory holds, then I think that Graham will ultimately sacrifice himself by sealing himself into the Zodia Stone, thereby accepting his noble heritage and insuring that Shadrack is bound for all eternity never to return.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on March 09, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
I like theory 2 better :) There's plenty of angst out there already for the family- no need for the Ranger to be too. This is actually a very convincing theory too ^^
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: jotun on May 27, 2011, 10:25:41 PM
My guess is that he is either a Silver cloak, or the guardian of their secrets. The majority of the Black Cloak society appears to be at large ( to the chagrin of the Graham family). Alternatively, the dialogue between Graham and Shamir hints that Graham is a descendant of the Silver Cloaks himself. Perhaps the ranger is as well.  ???
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: mrward on May 28, 2011, 05:05:43 PM
as a far off guess I reckon the ranger looks kinda like Anakin Skywalker LOL!!!
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: mythosopher on June 07, 2011, 09:11:29 PM
There is ONE person that hasn't been mentioned. He's in KQVIII and kind of important. They DID say early on that this character plays a role in the game!

There are only three people it could possibly be from KQ8 based on gender and magical abilities:

What makes no sense is why any of them would want or need to disguise themselves when speaking with Graham. None of them have any reason to. And it's certainly not Connor, because that makes even less sense.

I'm still convinced it's somehow a Wanderer, just like the KQ7 desert ghost, Colin Farwalker. I've scanned lists of all the characters from all the KQ games, and I can't think of anyone else who it could be, if we've even met this character before. I'm feeling fairly certain that he's either the 13th Silver Cloak left to look after Zodia Stone, or at least an apprentice of some sort. Definitely sticking by that theory.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: IrishAngel2010 on September 05, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
Now that we have some new screen shots, I'm wondering if anyone else has renewed curiousity in the Ranger?

I think Damar's theory frankly makes the most sense; that the ranger was meant to be a Zodia guardian but for whatever reason was sealed out. I think this would be the most satisfying explanation because it would be technically a new character, but one who ties in to the story without too much of a stretch.

I don't know about you guys, but I think I would otherwise be a little annoyed if the Ranger is just some new guy who has no tie-in to the rest of the story, OR if he is a very minor character from a previous game that was brought back by means of a very strained explanation (speaking of, were there any children or young adults in any of the episodes that we met before the episodes with adult Rosella or Alexander? I suppose they would fit the right age group to be the Ranger).  For the same reason, I'm in the "not Edgar, not Connor" camp - I think if either of these guys turn out to be the Ranger, I fear the explanation will just be too forced - I just can't think of a logical reason why it could clearly be one of them (but I'm happy to be proven wrong)

That being said, I think many good points have been raised about Edgar...  Anyone got a screen cap of Edgar's face that we can toss up next to the new Ranger shot?

CLICK CLICK CLICKY CLICK "Enhance..." CLICK CLICK CLICKY CLICK "Enhance...."


:angel:
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on September 05, 2011, 03:52:14 PM
Well, normally I'm sworn to secrecy, but I'll make an exception here... The identity of the Ranger is...

Melicia! While she was turned into a baby, she encountered a wise old wizard (Crispin I think his name was...) who turned her back into an adult. Except something went a little wrong during the spell. She was returned to an adult just fine, but in the wrong gender. Melicia now searches for a way to return to her feminine self; the only apparent way to reverse the spell is to use the Zodia Stone. To get to it, she must first manipulate Graham. So there you go! The mystery of The Ranger has finally been solved!
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: IrishAngel2010 on September 05, 2011, 04:08:13 PM
Ah, thank you DD.

So what you're saying is, it almost certainly is Edgar or Connor, and the explanation as to how either became the Ranger makes about as much sense as throwing a bridle at a snake.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: KatieHal on September 05, 2011, 04:17:20 PM
LOL, I think you mean *Malicia*, DD :)

besides, everyone knows that the Ranger is actually...

Cedric!!  :watchout:
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: dark-daventry on September 05, 2011, 08:11:57 PM
LOL, I think you mean *Malicia*, DD :)

besides, everyone knows that the Ranger is actually...

Cedric!!  :watchout:

DOH! Yes, I do mean Malicia. Note to self: don't post replies while on your lunch break while simultaneously answering a grocery call and eating goldfish...

Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: snabbott on September 06, 2011, 11:27:45 AM
LOL, I think you mean *Malicia*, DD :)

besides, everyone knows that the Ranger is actually...

Cedric!!  :watchout:
Katie! You weren't supposed to tell! :o
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: IrishAngel2010 on September 07, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7720/edgarranger.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/edgarranger.jpg/)


I have a ball. Perhaps you would like to bounce it?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on September 07, 2011, 05:42:39 PM
I approve of Edgar character development. If the Ranger is Edgar playing cool beans then suddenly his character went from being flat to something.

The Ranger would have to be a split personality for this to work sadly. Or some sort of projection. When you talk to Edgar in the court yard post Rosella coma, he has no clue what's going on. He'd be off being cool and mysterious if he was consciously being the Ranger. Not brooding.

I could see him play hero though. Perhaps it's his fey aspects? King's quest REALLY didn't expand on his power capabilities. Just that he was the dashing fey prince that Rosella fell for, and he was all Disney prince in KQ7. Not much else but random magic blah stuff.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Damar on September 08, 2011, 07:25:41 PM
Agreed.  Edgar being the Ranger just wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.  He doesn't seem to know what's going on, and he isn't the type to go off on his own and make stuff happen without telling Graham.  Besides, the Ranger knows exactly what's going on and seems to be someone who was around when the evil got imprisoned.  While I guess Edgar could be pretty old, seeing as how he's a fairy, I don't think he's that old.

So, I for one would call foul if the Ranger ends up being Edgar in disguise.  I would like to see more development for Edgar besides him just moping around though.  I know he's never been a man of action.  He's more a walking personification of victimhood, but still, I'd like to see him do a bit more than pine away.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: wilco64256 on September 08, 2011, 08:57:54 PM
The Ranger is....

Your mom.

It's been a long day, what can I say.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: KatieHal on September 08, 2011, 09:09:17 PM
LOL, love it Weldon!
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on September 08, 2011, 09:32:15 PM
So, I for one would call foul if the Ranger ends up being Edgar in disguise.  I would like to see more development for Edgar besides him just moping around though.  I know he's never been a man of action.  He's more a walking personification of victimhood, but still, I'd like to see him do a bit more than pine away.

I donno. There could be a simple way of explaining it but not everyone needs to be important to the storyline. I agree though. I wish he were something more than he is. Even Cassima seems to have things moving along and proactive.

I don't however think of Edgar as not proactive. He was proactive in KQ7. He was naive in KQ4 to me cause he didn't know who he was (even though I still don't like that Lolotte wasn't his mother in the end. I liked Edgar getting a reward for inner beauty rather than having an enchantment broken :/ ) I think he should have better. HE has potential to be something in the story more than he is now. I dont' think that something is the Ranger though.

You know who my best guess is?

Lieutenant Shorty  :suffer:
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: waltzdancing on September 09, 2011, 12:15:46 AM
The Ranger is....

Your mom.

It's been a long day, what can I say.

I heard that all around the school today! :D Your kids are wearing off on you. 
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: cmoe1969 on November 15, 2011, 06:17:57 AM
How many of you caught the Ranger's statement to Grahm when he asks "Why are you helping me?"  Ranger replies: "Who says I am?"  Unless the programmers put in just for dramatic affect, that implies a couple of possibilities:
That somehow Mannanan has returned to save his daughter, but to do that he must disguise himself and aid someone he hates.  (Did anyone catch "She called me ' Father')?  I mean, whoever said that Mannanan wants redemption?  He'll probably get it , though.
Nobody said Mannanan had one child.  Ranger could be Valanice's brother who joined the Silver Cloaks long ago when they disappeared; he's returned to help his sister now that some prophecy he heard is coming true.
If you discount Ranger's words to Grahm, here's one:
Rosella and Alexander are twins, right?  Shadrac keeps mentioning a great power that both Rosella and Alexander have.(They're part Black Cloak, part Druid, remember?)  Earlier posts mention Ranger being a projection of one or the other, but what if he's a projection of both?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: snabbott on November 15, 2011, 07:38:12 AM
Interesting theories... :suffer:
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: cmoe1969 on November 15, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
Thanks!  I also like an earlier poster's theories:
about Ranger being a 13th zodiac Silver cloak that failed in his duty to the others; now he's seeking redemption.  With a little modification, he could still be Valanice's brother/relative.  I mean we don't know how long Mannanan lived.

Also:
Shadrac kept talking to Grahm just before the boat fight like he knew Grahm; it seemed he thought that Grahm was the one that sealed him up for 1000 years ago.  Maybe Shadrac believes that Grahm is the ressurection of Leo the leader of the Silver Cloaks, not just a descendant.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: snabbott on November 15, 2011, 10:41:39 AM
You'll just have to wait and see. ;)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on November 15, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
Actually, a few ideas could be possible now I think about it.
Phoenix are making a BIG deal about time reversing. The ranger could be Edgar in a destroyed future, or Manannan being caught up in the magic.

Ooooohhh- thoughts!
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: DawsonJ on November 17, 2011, 07:47:19 PM
Regarding Ranger...

At the boat fight, did anyone notice that Ranger told Graham that he (Graham) was using the same kind of magic as Shadrack?
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Blackthorne on November 18, 2011, 02:10:14 PM
The Ranger is obviously
Graham from some other time.



Bt
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on November 18, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
Regarding Ranger...

At the boat fight, did anyone notice that Ranger told Graham that he (Graham) was using the same kind of magic as Shadrack?

He's embracing the silver cloaks power though. He also told him that.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: rolltide001 on November 23, 2011, 08:43:17 PM
The Ranger is obviously
Graham from some other time.



Bt


Yes!  Finally someone had my idea!  It's a little DC, but

somehow the Ranger came back in time from where Graham had failed to stop Shadrack (i.e. the ruined castle in Episode 4 when Graham is given the weapon), and is trying to change the past!  Albeit I have just finished Terminator, so that may be influencing my thinking.
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: Arkillian on November 27, 2011, 03:05:28 PM
Oh- that's brilliant. It makes SO much more sense than the other ideas too! Cept I'm thinking original Graham. Shadrack keeps saying that he keeps fighting Graham. I thought this meant the Silver cloaks, but it makes more sense that it's him personally, and why the vendetta is against him specifically :)
Title: Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
Post by: LightWarrior on November 29, 2011, 08:19:43 PM
Let's hope the Ranger doesn't head north.  ;)