Wow I'm not interested in revisiting all of those things yet again, but I will point out that you actually asked like 8 questions there.
A few questions:
1) Alex has been in a coma for a little over a day or so by the end of Episode 3, yet his hair is still as spikey as when he is awake; In fact, it's not even slightly different. How is this possible? Does Cassima gel his hair for him while he's sleeping; if so, why? Is his stylishness that important while he's asleep?
"A Wizard Did It."
It IS King's Quest, after all. There ARE wizards.
Bt
Also, wouldn't holding the wedding in Etheria have suited the plot better--After all, a large part of the plot, indeed, the very quest itself, deals with Graham having to save Alex & Rosella, and the only way he can save them, is by him going into their dreams...And the weaver of Dreams himself, and his sister Mab (the Lady of Dreams) both reside in Etheria.Edgar: Let's have the wedding in Etheria. That way, if some evil wizard puts you in a coma, we can go to the weaver of dreams and Mab for help!
Edgar: Let's have the wedding in Etheria. That way, if some evil wizard puts you in a coma, we can go to the weaver of dreams and Mab for help!What Percival was detailing was not an in-game rationale for having the wedding in Etheria but a design rationale for staging the wedding in Etheria based on what the writers knew about the rest of the plot.
Rosella: ???
Edgar: Let's have the wedding in Etheria. That way, if some evil wizard puts you in a coma, we can go to the weaver of dreams and Mab for help!What Percival was detailing was not an in-game rationale for having the wedding in Etheria but a design rationale for staging the wedding in Etheria based on what the writers knew about the rest of the plot.
Rosella: ???
5) This is quite simple. The BCS members have apparently (for their own reasons) wanted to build up the house of Daventry into successful gentlemen adventurers (for instance, it seems to have been important that Alexander know some magic; it seems to have been equally important that he learn this on his own without Manannan's direct assistance). You can't do that if you don't present challenges. The lion after all presents only a minor hurdle to a successfully prepared Graham (you can't even get to it without having one of two ways to handle it, IIRC). It seems to me that the BCS would likely have known this.
But then again, there's the rest of the plot that nobody but the designers know about :)This is why I've never brought up Percival's question before, because I had the same one myself. As soon as the Archdruid told me I'd be going into their dreams, I thought I was going to be off to Etheria, and was confused when I wasn't.
6) Perhaps, he means that she chose the path that included having her memory wiped when she resisted going along with the plan. I mean, come on, he's a machiavellian Xanatos-type schemer: we cannot expect his statements to not have a convoluted twisted perspective and psychology under it. "It's totes your fault that we had to erase your memory, Val-pal."
for someone who apparently hates TSL like you say you do, you certainly spend a lot of time analyzing the story :)
Wait until the story is complete. Questions shall be answered.
However, just for fun... Why didn't the Fates help Titania and Oberon find Edgar when he was kidnapped by Lolotte? Especially if he was their niece's son? I mean, the Fates being the Fates know exactly what would happen, or where Edgar would have been, right? Why didn't they do something earlier to stop Malicia from going bad, or at least warn Titania that that would happen? especially if they were their aunt as well. Could the Fates have other reasons? At least it seems to me that would be the easier answer to not say there were big plot holes in KQ4 and KQ7.
And Alex's gel is the extra strong stuff. But..... really? That's like asking why Alexander doesn't get wet after he goes into the sea in past King's Quests.
And, also, you are welcomed to go make the game where Rosella and Edgar get married in Etherea. We chose for them to be married in the Green Isles. Oh, but wait, you probably won't be able because with the deal with Telltale probably nobody else can really be making games... which is very funny that you are so happy about that when 6 months ago you were so adamant about no specific group ever having exclusive rights to this license so that everybody could have their visions of King's Quest. I say plot hole!
:)
Why are you so obstinate in seeing holes in a plot you have no idea how it concludes?Was that directed at me? Because I'm not being obstinate...I just said that I was confused, but I didn't bring it up because the story's not over yet.
Why are you so obstinate in seeing holes in a plot you have no idea how it concludes?Was that directed at me? Because I'm not being obstinate...I just said that I was confused, but I didn't bring it up because the story's not over yet.
No, man, that wasn't directed at you.Okay, just making sure. Thanks. :)
*= When I say YOU, I mean you, Cesar Bittar. None of my points, past or present, refer to Katie; I tend to think she would've written a great KQ game on her own if her Lieutenant character is anything to go by.
*= When I say YOU, I mean you, Cesar Bittar. None of my points, past or present, refer to Katie; I tend to think she would've written a great KQ game on her own if her Lieutenant character is anything to go by.
Actually, I designed that particular puzzle and wrote most of those lines. So, thank you.
As for the rest of the email, I'm never going to give you the answers you want to hear. If I pointed plot holes in other King's Quest games is because we've already seen them and we are supposed to be fixing them. If I can't give you a straight answer it is because I'm not going to spoil the plot that thousands of others are enjoying just to please you.
But you want a straight answer for example on the spikey hair? Ok, I'll give you one. We don't have the time for those details. Changing the spikey hair in Alexander means that we have to alter the model, and rebind him. When there are many things that need attention, that becomes a detail that you don't have the luxury of time for. I wasn't joking with, for example, KQ6. They could have just darkened the sprites so that it looked like Alexander got wet, just like they do in Uncharted. Just because it was VGA, it doesn't mean it couldn't be done. The reason why it wasn't done wasn't the resolution, but because those are details that cost a lot of money to produce.
But when someone poses such questions with such obvious malicious intentions, I can't take them seriously. What completely baffles me is that if you dislike the game so much, why are you so obsessed about it?
I'm sorry that TSL ruined your life. But seriously man, go and play other things that you can really enjoy. Why the masochism?
Fine, you win. All you say is correct.
*Goes to do something productive*
It was actually only 8 years (it would take anybody that long if they were shut down on multiple occasions) and for bad fanfiction we've gotten a surprising amount of both local and international positive press coverage, covermounts on major gaming magazines, incredible download figures, etc. Weird, I know.
8 years, 9 years, 10 years. Nearly a decade it is still.it was pretty epic. shuddup.
And I've heard Cesar himself say the game's development truly began in 2002...which is 9 years ago.
Notice I said, incredibly overhyped? You guys went full PR crazy and hyped up your ''shutdowns'' (which only lasted what, 4-6 months in total between both of them) as some epic battle between the rebels vs the empire.
Quote8 years, 9 years, 10 years. Nearly a decade it is still.
And I've heard Cesar himself say the game's development truly began in 2002...which is 9 years ago.
Notice I said, incredibly overhyped? You guys went full PR crazy and hyped up your ''shutdowns'' (which only lasted what, 4-6 months in total between both of them) as some epic battle between the rebels vs the empire.
it was pretty epic. shuddup.
trolls gon' be trolls.
you remind me a helluvalot like DMD.
ok. I'm finished. Nothing useful to add here.
Quote8 years, 9 years, 10 years. Nearly a decade it is still.
And I've heard Cesar himself say the game's development truly began in 2002...which is 9 years ago.
Notice I said, incredibly overhyped? You guys went full PR crazy and hyped up your ''shutdowns'' (which only lasted what, 4-6 months in total between both of them) as some epic battle between the rebels vs the empire.
it was pretty epic. shuddup.
trolls gon' be trolls.
you remind me a helluvalot like DMD.
ok. I'm finished. Nothing useful to add here.
I'm DMD, dur.
Yeah funny how he reminds you so much of that other person who complained about the exact same things. Interesting. Fascinating even.
And no, starting a production in 2002 and beginning release in 2010 is only 8 years. And yes, it was epic - no other fan group has ever overcome two legal battles and gotten this level of release without ever spending a single cent on marketing or pr at all. We didn't have some super-crackshot legal team helping us out or anything like that, just fans. Amazing.
Haters will hate but the fact remains that King's Quest is more popular now than it has been in decades primarily thanks to several fan groups that have done some solid work with the series over that time.
Like I said, misled. You believe whatever you like, we'll keep working on a game that the vast majority of the people who play it like just fine. Your ranting won't ever convince us to change a thing because it's senseless and incoherent. The only truly disturbing thing here is how much attention you pay to something that causes you such pain - if I found a game that I detested so thoroughly I just wouldn't play it any more. What you're doing is just plain unhealthy man.
You guys went full PR crazy and hyped up your ''shutdowns'' (which only lasted what, 4-6 months in total between both of them) as some epic battle between the rebels vs the empire.Can you imagine if it was, though? :D Duuuuuude, that woulda been a sweet battle!
Personally, I'm not a fan of TSL's story. I don't like the tone and I don't feel like it fits with the rest of the series--to me that's a big negative. I also HATED the ending of episode 2. So much so that I went on several long diatribes about it on various boards. ;)
Frankly, I haven't played episode 3 yet, and I don't want to. I know I probably won't like the story, and what I've heard of it so far (I've read all the spoilers) seems to confirm my suspicions.
It's the cliffhangers that really are the worst for me. They take the worst, most non-King's Quest parts of the story and hang the ending of each episode on them, and I've realized that playing through the episodes in this fashion is just going to give me indigestion. But, I do ultimately want to see where the story goes, so I'm planning on waiting until the last episode is released, and then I'll go through and give the full game a play.
I'd recommend you take a similar approach, Percival. I agree with many of your sentiments, but it's just not worth getting up in arms about at this point. I'd say take break and don't touch any TSL installments until the game's finished. Then once its story is complete, grab a beer and a snack and rip it apart for all to see.
But really, until then, it's just not worth it.
I'd recommend you take a similar approach, Percival. I agree with many of your sentiments, but it's just not worth getting up in arms about at this point. I'd say take break and don't touch any TSL installments until the game's finished. Then once its story is complete, grab a beer and a snack and rip it apart for all to see.
I'd recommend you take a similar approach, Percival. I agree with many of your sentiments, but it's just not worth getting up in arms about at this point. I'd say take break and don't touch any TSL installments until the game's finished. Then once its story is complete, grab a beer and a snack and rip it apart for all to see.
Warn me when this happens so I can ignore the thread. No offence, but I'm not interested in negativity. If I've enjoyed a game at the end of part 5, then reading a hate thread will be what puts a sour note on the whole ordeal. Will there be plot holes at the end of TSL? I actually don't care. Wast the art work as accurate as it could be? I don't care. I'm getting to the point where I almost don't want to read feed back threads here. Most are positive, but the negative ones are REALLY putting a damper on the game for me cause I actually really enjoy it.
I'd assume if she thought the artwork and plot were crappy she'd actually just stop playing. Pretty straightforward for most people.
you know it's really bad when Lamb asks you to back off.
(btw, congrats on the baby news, Lamb.)
I think that's all the questions I can answer from your original post. But no, you're not likely to be satisfied with any of our answers, and if you're only here to rant about what you dislike about the game and are not willing to listen whatsoever to our comments and replies, or those of our fans who try to reply on our behalf, I don't think you're going to find this go-round in the forums any more satisfying than the last go-round before you asked to have your account deleted.
you know it's really bad when Lamb asks you to back off.
(btw, congrats on the baby news, Lamb.)
Oh, yay! Congrats indeed! :)
My brother and his wife just had their first...baby Aiden is quite adorable!
you know it's really bad when Lamb asks you to back off.
(btw, congrats on the baby news, Lamb.)
Lol...and thanks!
The baby news is that my wife and I just found out we're pregnant with our first. ;)
Yes, Ark, a troll. If his posts are going to upset you, either just skim them...or skip all together when you see he's posted. I'm sorry that one person ranting about the game is putting the damper on others who are actually enjoying and loving how it is turning out. :hug:
oh, man, lamb, your signature image LOL I shouldn't be laughing at it, but LOL
Also, I'm glad I got to be Han Solo in your breakdown of the epic battle, there, Haids. ;)The coolest character for one of the coolest forumers/team members/humans. ;D
Hahahahaha... :suffer:
Early November, probably. It's very early yet--we'll know more in the coming weeks.
And Perceval, you make it sound like we didn't know you were DMD. Trust me, we got an email as soon as you registered from the team saying you were back, so it's not like you pulled the wool over our eyes at all. What I wonder is why you decided to come back at all when you asked to have your account deleted. If you weren't happy, why would you continue to hang around.I didn't know it was DMD, but I'm not at all surprised.
I don't like pecans. I don't eat pecans. I don't discuss pecans. Generally I don't think about pecans. I tend to shy away from them at all costs. So why should I waste my time and everyone else's by going on and on about something I dislike? Something to consider...I was gonna say something like that, but not with pecans (because they are amazing) and it was gonna be the opposite, where I was bitching about how much I hate them.
As for the main contents of this thread...eh, I think of it this way: I don't like pecans. I don't eat pecans. I don't discuss pecans. Generally I don't think about pecans. I tend to shy away from them at all costs. So why should I waste my time and everyone else's by going on and on about something I dislike? Something to consider...
Hahahahaha... :suffer:
Early November, probably. It's very early yet--we'll know more in the coming weeks.
Do you know if its a boy or girl yet?
Congratulations! Kids are LOTS of work, but it's SO worth it! :Dyou know it's really bad when Lamb asks you to back off.
(btw, congrats on the baby news, Lamb.)
Lol...and thanks!
The baby news is that my wife and I just found out we're pregnant with our first. ;)
QuoteAnd Perceval, you make it sound like we didn't know you were DMD. Trust me, we got an email as soon as you registered from the team saying you were back, so it's not like you pulled the wool over our eyes at all. What I wonder is why you decided to come back at all when you asked to have your account deleted. If you weren't happy, why would you continue to hang around.I didn't know it was DMD, but I'm not at all surprised.QuoteI don't like pecans. I don't eat pecans. I don't discuss pecans. Generally I don't think about pecans. I tend to shy away from them at all costs. So why should I waste my time and everyone else's by going on and on about something I dislike? Something to consider...I was gonna say something like that, but not with pecans (because they are amazing) and it was gonna be the opposite, where I was b****ing about how much I hate them.
too late now, I just explained my masterplan.
Don't presume you know all about me, saying, "you're not surprised" that it's me. I've been here since 2003 and for the longest time, I did indeed support this project and this game, for years actually. It's only recently, in the past year or so, that I've turned against it.I had read enough of your stuff so that when I read this thread, in my mind I thought "that really seems like stuff DMD would have written. maybe that's him?"
More like the way he continues to express it over and over and over again in discussions that simply never go anywhere. So, why bother to discuss in the first place if there's no place to change your mind. The guy keeps saying that I can never admit when I'm wrong, but he's obviously never read me before when Ive said I know a lot of the TSL writing could be much better.
Coming up with ridiculous arguments to things that you obviously have no idea how they work makes you a troll. The whole VGA thing, I'm sorry, man, you just were making a fool out of yourself, because in 92 the things that you said couldn't be possible, were possible (changes to sprites through animations was possible, so you could essentially either do a darkening of Alex's clothes, or just have water drops dripping from him, which would have been very visible) --How do you think Gabriel Knight takes off his t-shirt in GK1? Doable, yes it was doable. Worthy, not so much. But At least have the decency to let game development to the people who have been working hands on this for much longer than you have (which I believe amounts exactly to nothing). Instead, just to win the argument, you came up with a dumb argument that VGA was just starting back then (no, it had started a couple of years back when they did KQ5 -and that's one I'm sure you knew, by the time they were doing KQ6, they were deep into it).
So if you don't like being labeled as a troll, stop trolling. Even in the circles where TSL isn't really popular, people have told you to drop it already. Again, that's when you should realize you are taking it a bit too far. If you cannot see that, then you have a problem, and if people continue to report you as a troll, then we'll go ahead and put a ban on you. You have been warned.
QuoteDon't presume you know all about me, saying, "you're not surprised" that it's me. I've been here since 2003 and for the longest time, I did indeed support this project and this game, for years actually. It's only recently, in the past year or so, that I've turned against it.I had read enough of your stuff so that when I read this thread, in my mind I thought "that really seems like stuff DMD would have written. maybe that's him?"
As far as the water thing and GK1, GK1 came out a year later in '93. A year's time could mean a lot to Sierra games.I'm not familiar with how the engine works specifically, but if in KQ5 Graham can put on a cloak and shrink into the distance when he walks further away, if the engine supports changes in perspective such as the top-down scene where you navigate the mountain just before being taken by the giant Roc, and the extreme long shot of the town where Graham is just a few pixels high, and if Graham actually turns into several different creatures at the end of the game, I really can't see why they wouldn't be able to make his clothes wet.
QuoteAs far as the water thing and GK1, GK1 came out a year later in '93. A year's time could mean a lot to Sierra games.I'm not familiar with how the engine works specifically, but if in KQ5 Graham can put on a cloak and shrink into the distance when he walks further away, if the engine supports changes in perspective such as the top-down scene where you navigate the mountain just before being taken by the giant Roc, and the extreme long shot of the town where Graham is just a few pixels high, and if Graham actually turns into several different creatures at the end of the game, I really can't see why they wouldn't be able to make his clothes wet.
But I loooooooove pecans*! ..and arguing? You wanna fight about it? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30GD25un0XQ) :PGah ha ha! Patty Banager, Caddy Manager for the win! :rofl:
QuoteAs far as the water thing and GK1, GK1 came out a year later in '93. A year's time could mean a lot to Sierra games.I'm not familiar with how the engine works specifically, but if in KQ5 Graham can put on a cloak and shrink into the distance when he walks further away, if the engine supports changes in perspective such as the top-down scene where you navigate the mountain just before being taken by the giant Roc, and the extreme long shot of the town where Graham is just a few pixels high, and if Graham actually turns into several different creatures at the end of the game, I really can't see why they wouldn't be able to make his clothes wet.
I don't think the VGA perspective shrinking/growing in KQ5 is true scaling though. It looks to me like they actually drew separate sprites at different sizes and then linked them together to form a "scaling" animation. In KQ6, Alex's sprite actually physically shrinks in size--it's a subtle difference but an important one. :)
My memory is a bit foggy about it, but if I recall correctly, Alexander gets ripped in half by the minotaur with blood and bones showing, and also turns into a beast, which shows you right there getting wet was very easily doable.
It's not like I ever made it a secret who I was. I never denied being DMD, did I?I never said you did. I guess I just didn't make the connection until after I posted. no matter. carry on.
Well it does seem odd that Alex is the only member of the royal family whose look has been drastically changed for this game and this game alone. ;) I always assumed it was because the designers were manga nerds and that it was an homage to anime.
Lol, depends on how you classify drastic. We had Rosella grow out her bangs, and let me tell you, as a lady who's had them and not had them, growing out your bangs takes serious commitment. They reach that irritating length when they're too long to wear in front of your face but too short to push behind your ears and man is it tempting to just cut those suckers short again! ;)
let me tell you, as a lady who's had them and not had them, growing out your bangs takes serious commitment. They reach that irritating length when they're too long to wear in front of your face but too short to push behind your ears and man is it tempting to just cut those suckers short again! ;)Gah ha ha! Most girls of the 80's/90's can definitely relate. The last time I had bangs I think I was in seventh grade, and I finally said, "NEVER AGAIN!" It's dangerous, man! You have to decide if you're TRULY ready to have 'em in your face, and to deal with having to pin them back when they bug you. ::)
My strategy is simply to do nothing. It's like my hairstyle is constantly on shuffle!I do that, but my hair generally looks pretty similar every day. I whip my hair back and forth every morning :P
(http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/3167917/Whip-my-hair-back-and-forth-In-my-day-it-was-called-head-banging.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Annoying-Old-Man)My strategy is simply to do nothing. It's like my hairstyle is constantly on shuffle!I do that, but my hair generally looks pretty similar every day. I whip my hair back and forth every morning :P
lol yeah I prefer to call it whiping my hair back and forth, it makes people lol.(http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/3167917/Whip-my-hair-back-and-forth-In-my-day-it-was-called-head-banging.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Annoying-Old-Man)My strategy is simply to do nothing. It's like my hairstyle is constantly on shuffle!I do that, but my hair generally looks pretty similar every day. I whip my hair back and forth every morning :P
(Posted on: March 07, 2011, 09:19:22 AM)
((omg I'm so old XD ))
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100516054256/uncyclopedia/images/a/a4/Beavis_%26_Butthead_-_Head_Banging.gif)that gives me a headache after like 10 seconds.