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Title: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Hituro on March 25, 2011, 12:40:01 AM
I think in the last episode, at the last confrontation with the villain!  Graham will triumph by tossing a custard pie at them :P  Custard Pies! Hated by Yeti(s?) and evil wizard overlords everywhere!  That is how it should end...  and then Graham will be arrested because he stole the custard pie that he found sitting on a bench and he did not pay 1 silver coin for it! >:P  Ok I'll stop being insane now...  custard pies @_@
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Arkillian on March 25, 2011, 01:41:52 AM
Hmmm... I'm not an evil overloard yet... Just a powerful wizard. Apparently I only need to fear Wizard's slaves... XD
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: wilco64256 on March 25, 2011, 08:58:09 AM
But I wonder if you can handle the actual real ending:

In the middle of a fight with a huge baddie at the end of Episode 5 Graham suddenly blacks out again and then we see a cutscene of

[spoiler]Keanu Reeves suddenly waking up and falling out of an Animus[/spoiler]

and then he just looks at the camera and says

[spoiler]"Whoa."[/spoiler]

and then we fade out with a "To be continued...?"
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: dark-daventry on March 25, 2011, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on March 25, 2011, 08:58:09 AM
But I wonder if you can handle the actual real ending:

In the middle of a fight with a huge baddie at the end of Episode 5 Graham suddenly blacks out again and then we see a cutscene of

[spoiler]Keanu Reeves suddenly waking up and falling out of an Animus[/spoiler]

and then he just looks at the camera and says

[spoiler]"Whoa."[/spoiler]

and then we fade out with a "To be continued...?"

You forgot him saying, [spoiler]"I know Kung-fu". It's a Saturday Night Live Celebrity Jeopardy reference. The one with Keanu Reeves.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on March 25, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
*Covers eyes*

Wilco!  dd!  Why did you ruin the ending for us?! Uggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh....now I have to find a new place to be a King's Quest fangirl! :pokerface:
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: dark-daventry on March 25, 2011, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on March 25, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
*Covers eyes*

Wilco!  dd!  Why did you ruin the ending for us?! Uggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh....now I have to find a new place to be a King's Quest fangirl! :pokerface:

Sorry haids; we couldn't help ourselves!
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: kindofdoon on March 26, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
Keanu Reeves in The Matrix ftw.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on March 26, 2011, 02:42:02 PM
Really?  Hmmm.  See, I hated The Matrix--every last miserable second.  :-\ And this is not like with TRON where I just didn't get it and was able to come to appreciate it later, I absolutely DETEST The Matrix.  I've watched it four times and have seen all three in the series, but ugh. 

I am one of the few that I know who didn't like it, though, so maybe there's just something wrong with me.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: kindofdoon on March 26, 2011, 02:53:17 PM
Everything about The Matrix is awesome: the existential quest, the action sequences, the soundtrack and sound effects, the technical excellence of the camerawork, the choreography, the allusions to other genres, the general visual presentation, etc.

Why do you dislike it?
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on March 26, 2011, 04:54:16 PM
Well, I tried to like it, I really did.  I saw the first one in theatres and watched the rest of them several times with a group of my friends.  But to me, it was just campy and boring.  And I'm all for a healthy dose of camp, but the cheesy one-liners and smugness of the characters was just a wee bit over the top to me.  And the whole concept of the movies, I felt, was just weird and silly.  The "allusions to other genres" was a cool idea at first, but after awhile I felt like it was just too many things going on at once and I got lost and bored.

Not to say they're not good movies; I will repeat that I am one of the few people I know of that dislikes them, so they must be doing something right.  But it's really not my kind of film.  And hey, my favorite movie is Moulin Rouge.  There are pages and pages of reviews that go on and on about how ridiculous the concept of THAT movie is--Nicole Kidman as a singing prostitute, a sappy hopeless romantic who is head-over-heels in love with her even though she sells herself, and all kinds of weird remixes of unoriginal music.  I'm not saying that The Matrix is a terrible series.  I just personally didn't like them. :)
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: kindofdoon on March 26, 2011, 05:00:41 PM
Arright, that's fair.

On the topic of one-liners: For some reason I enjoyed them in The Matrix ("I know kung fu", "Dodge this", etc.) Perhaps it is because the one-liners are surrounded by thought-provoking and succinct writing ("There is no spoon", "You think that's air you're breathing?", etc.)
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on March 26, 2011, 05:17:30 PM
Yeah, most people dig 'em. :yes: The "thought-provoking" lines are quite interesting, and I actually enjoyed some of those.  I mean, the questions of "What is reality?" and "Is it real because I believe it, or do I believe it because it's real?" are worthy of making my brain itch...or, as Austin Powers would have it said, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8w95xIdH4o) "Ohhh no, I've gone cross-eyed!" ;D
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: kindofdoon on March 26, 2011, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on March 26, 2011, 05:17:30 PM
"Is it real because I believe it, or do I believe it because it's real?"

We can never know.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: LightWarrior on May 12, 2011, 06:33:11 PM
"I am a king their fore your Argument is invalid."

Then the credits roll.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: liggy002 on May 14, 2011, 05:49:18 PM
The Matrix films were actually an allusion to our current reality: how so many people go on living their lives unaware and ignorant of the true nature of the world.  It was a brilliant filmseries in my opinion.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Deloria on May 19, 2011, 03:36:58 AM
Quote from: Haids1987 on March 26, 2011, 04:54:16 PM
And hey, my favorite movie is Moulin Rouge.  There are pages and pages of reviews that go on and on about how ridiculous the concept of THAT movie is
But it's based on the best opera in the world! :P

EDIT: Besides, the fact that she sells herself doesn't really mean she's incapable of being loved. :P Courtesans were a very important part of French society for several centuries, the upper-class ones even being extremely well-read and educated. :P Many came from humble backgrounds and actually moved up in the world. :P The film takes a ridiculously 21st century take on it and makes it seem soul-crushing when it really only is from a modern perspective. :P
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on May 19, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
Oh believe me, after having had Moulin Rouge as my favorite movie for the last ten years, I definitely get that, Deloria! :yes: I've done lots of heavy reasearch on it over the years, I was just making a point to Doon. ;)
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Deloria on May 19, 2011, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 19, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
Oh believe me, after having had Moulin Rouge as my favorite movie for the last ten years, I definitely get that, Deloria! :yes: I've done lots of heavy reasearch on it over the years, I was just making a point to Doon. ;)
Thank you for being so reasonable. :P Most people don't get that not everything is applicable to the present, especially if it's from a different time and culture and social climate. :P
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Cez on May 19, 2011, 02:36:02 PM
Moulin Rouge is also one of my top 10 movies. But I also dig the Matrix a lot. Although, when I rewatched the trilogy recently, it wasn't as good as the first time around.

But anyhow, how did this become a conversation about Moulin Rouge and The Matrix?
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on May 19, 2011, 05:28:10 PM
Um, because Moulin Rouge is AWESOME. :yes:
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: MusicallyInspired on May 19, 2011, 06:24:02 PM
What the heck is Moulin Rouge? The Matrix was awesome. Topped only by Inception.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Haids1987 on May 19, 2011, 08:40:39 PM
Here (http://www.google.com/) you go. ;)
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Cez on May 19, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
Inception was a great movie, but honestly, a bit overrated. The Dark Knight stayed with me for far longer than Inception did.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Arkillian on May 19, 2011, 10:23:18 PM
Inception is good if you like eye candy ;) Or the concept of the movie. The rest of it is bulk standard action. I'm an action fangirl thoguh so I can hardly disapprove ;)

What I'd dig is an Inception fan story or RP game. It's actually an AWESOME concept. Problem is, it'd be difficult to top the movie for plot. What do you do? You can't go deeper than the shore of you conscience so you couldn't 1up it.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: MusicallyInspired on May 20, 2011, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: Cez on May 19, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
Inception was a great movie, but honestly, a bit overrated. The Dark Knight stayed with me for far longer than Inception did.

Funny. I thought TDK was overrated (good as it was).
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: kindofdoon on May 20, 2011, 03:58:48 PM
I don't think Inception or The Dark Knight were overrated. Both were very good movies, and although they weren't masterpieces, they had solid acting, action, and ideas that actually made me think after leaving the cinema.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Cez on May 20, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
I'm just saying a bit overrated. It was definitely a great movie, but maybe it was the fact that I went in expecting the best movie ever and didn't get that. I thought as well that it was a bit longer than  it should have been, by the time I was in the snow dream, I felt like it was going nowhere. I think that whole section could have been cut without hurting the movie.

On the Dark Knight, I expected a great superhero movie going in, and I got not only the best superhero movie I've seen, but also one of the best movies I've seen period. The thing grabbed me from beginning to end with the great act the Joker put through the whole movie. It was just one thing after the other, after the other, after the other. And I never lost interest because they kept escalating in tension.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Enchantermon on May 21, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
Indeed.
I may sound like a tool for saying this, but I do honestly think that the Joker was Heath Ledger's best performance, at least that I've seen. Admittedly, I've only seen a few of his movies, but it was simply stellar. And the rest of the cast didn't disappoint either; I loved Michael Caine's and Morgan Freeman's characters in both movies. And Bale's Batman is pretty good as well.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: jotun on May 27, 2011, 10:29:24 PM

Graham and the Silver Cloaks triumph over the Black Cloaks ( minus Manaanan ), the marriage finally gets underway, and Valanice is reunited with both the druids and her husband. Alternatively, Graham becomes a Silver Cloak himself and sacrifices over Pandora's box.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: MikPal on May 31, 2011, 01:35:10 PM
I loved The Dark Knight. Especially because it had what I consider a  beautiful message: "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." It was a surprising change after Batman Begins, which I hated. I mean ninjas are so 90's. I still want to see someone make a feature length version of this (http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3984800/the-dark-knight-1960s-version).


As for how I think TSL should end:
Graham dying alone after saving the world and knowing that his family is safe. A single tear and a happy smile. After that perhaps a glimpse of what Daventry is like after Graham. Some people remember him as a good king and some as a no good idiot who liked to wonder in the woods.

But then again, why should a story not written by me end the way I want it. That would be boring with world full of stories that end the way I expect them to end (for example On Her Majesty's Secret Service).
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: glottal on May 31, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: MikPal on May 31, 2011, 01:35:10 PM
But then again, why should a story not written by me end the way I want it. That would be boring with world full of stories that end the way I expect them to end (for example On Her Majesty's Secret Service).

Ah, but that's assuming that you always expect stories to end the way you want them to...

Anyway, I'm not even sure how I want TSL to end, though there are some endings that I am pretty sure are not going to happen such as:

[spoiler]It turns out that Rosella all these years is none other than ... Hagatha ... who had escaped death and swapped herself with Rosella so she could stay near the royal family ... and when Edgar finds out he no longer wants to marry her ... and when Alexander wakes up he never stops singing ever - and he always sings off-key - so Cassima divorces him ... and I don't know, a giant anvil falls on Graham and squashes him.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Sylver on June 26, 2011, 02:38:00 AM
There's only one way this all can end, mang. :3 The same way it began, with that big, fancy royal wedding!

... Granted, Graham giving a final heroic sacrifice would be highly dramatic and epic, but... the wibbly 4-year-old gamer in me who grew up with King Graham as a constantly reassuring presence of GOOD, refuses to have anything having to do with him dying FOR REALS.

Despite having killed him hundreds if not thousands of time before in my life. We all have. Admit it.

So yeah. Wedding times! No dying times. Retiring from adventuring, cool. Just stay alive, Graham.

As for The Matrix and Moulin Rouge, HELL YES, those are two of my favorite movies ever! I know the entire Moulin Rouge soundtrack by heart. I mean the ENTIRE soundtrack, not just the songs prominently shown in the movie, but the covers that were written specifically for it, and... far, far more than I SHOULD KNOW, by any rights. Haaa.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: glottal on June 26, 2011, 06:12:48 AM
Quote from: Sylver on June 26, 2011, 02:38:00 AM
There's only one way this all can end, mang. :3 The same way it began, with that big, fancy royal wedding!

Good point. 'Course I'm sure there's going to be more to it than that.

I remember a conversation I had a while ago with a fellow American about American vs. non-American endings.  She was talking about how she always wants the big, happy, American ending, and she gets disappointed with non-American stories which don't do that (she was specifically talking about Ruroni Kenshin, which I've never seen/read).  I actually have a taste for tragedy (well, more like melancholy ... but for endings that are something other than pure happiness).  Of course, the United States has its own tradition of tragic storytelling, it's just not mainstream the same way that Disney is.  There are a number of adventure games with endings that are something other than completely happy (QfG4, Gabriel Knight, etc)

But the more I think about it, the more I think it doesn't matter whether the ending is happy or sad.  If I really care about the characters, and it's a happy ending, I will dance and love it; if I really care about the characters, and it's a sad ending, I will weep and love it.  If I don't care about the characters ... then I also don't care about the ending.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 18, 2012, 02:31:58 PM
How about multiple endings depending on your choices during the final area?

-Bad Ending-

You make an obvious bad choice. Graham collapses dead on the floor when Shadrack blasts him. His family mourns for him, but not for long, as Shadrack kills them as well! Gethering his Shadows together, with a triumphant laugh, they cover the world in darkness forever. The Narrator is the only survivor, and she leaves to star in her own game seeing as she isn't needed anymore. Credits roll.

-Bittersweet Ending-

You make mixed choices. Graham sacrifices himself to defeat Shadrack, but luckily this kills Shadrack as well! Yay! Valanice, Rosella and Alexander gather around Graham teary eyed. As the Dreamworld fades away, Graham smiles, kisses Valenice and shares some sweet parting words with his family before dying in Valenices arms. Even the Narrator seems to be in mourning. Everything goes back to normal, and the wedding continues on without their king, but Graham is with them in spirit and is always watching over them. Credits roll.

-Golden Ending-

You make all the right choices. Graham is able to kill Shadrack, luckily not offing himself in the process! The Dreamworld fades away, and Graham embraces his family happily as they return home. With everything everything returning to normal, the wedding goes exactly according to plan without any hitches this time! After the wedding, everyone goes home, Alexander and Cassima staying in the green Isles, Rosella and Edgar going back to Eldritch, and Graham and Valenice heading back to Daventry for a nice long rest. Thankfully, the Narrator doesn't interrupt them for once and lets our heroes sleep with good dreams all around. Credits roll.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: KatieHal on March 18, 2012, 02:46:30 PM
All I know is, we clearly state who will inherit the throne from Graham.

[spoiler]It's the Narrator.[/spoiler]

:suffer:
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Datadog on March 18, 2012, 03:43:40 PM

I knew it!
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 18, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
Oh! And a Joke Ending too possibly.

-Joke Ending-

Make illogical choices, and find all the Easter Eggs in the game that make references to other games. Graham defeats- but doesn't kill - Shadrack. Just then, a rumbling is heard, and from out of nowhere Roger Wilco crashes his spaceship and squishes Shadrack like a character from Looney Toons! For no good reason, Graham pulls a custard pie out of his pants and throws it at Shadrack! Shadrack gets up and throws a pie at Graham, and then it grows into a pie war with Black Cloaks and White Cloaks on either side, and the Narrator announcing over it like its a sport match! Roger just stands there and gets pelted with custard. Yummy!
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Sylver on March 19, 2012, 12:24:20 AM
I entirely approve of that Joke Ending. xD

And the whole thing is narrated by Cedric the Owl.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 19, 2012, 07:20:27 AM
And everyone notices that, and they throw pies at Cedric/the camera! Credits roll.
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: DawsonJ on March 24, 2012, 12:02:01 AM
GrahamRocks, I'm liking your multiple ending idea.  How KQVI of you! :) But, then again, how can you NOT think of 6 while playing TSL! ;)
The hard part of having Cedric making an appearance in the game, though, is that there will likely be some offensive sprite-rips and Fatalities created of that little fiend.  :P

You know, like in Freddy Pharkas when you see the buzzards killing and eating Cedric in the background (by the anthill guy).  And, of course, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gP7VTeTCVCU#t=277s).  ;)
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 24, 2012, 11:48:10 AM
"Will you choose darkness or light?" -Ranger

"There will come a time where I will disappear, and what will happen to you? What will become of my family once I'm gone?" -Graham

Those lines worry me a bunch. I've become rather fond of this family after learning so much about them. You aren't thinking of...

Are you?
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: KatieHal on March 25, 2012, 08:47:06 AM
GrahamRocks, allow me to introduce you to...The Suffer!

:suffer:

It's possible you recognize from some easter eggs in the game. Suffer laughs because he knows something you don't.

:suffer:
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 25, 2012, 09:38:23 AM
Argh, the suspence is killing me!
Title: Re: How I Think TSL Should End
Post by: Neonivek on August 05, 2012, 11:55:15 PM
Actually you sort of forgot a few of the lines also in the game

Where Graham talks about how the darkness in his life made him stronger. As someone once said "A Candle burns brightest in darkness" or something along those lines.

I think it is alluding to King Graham defying the fate of his existance, defying being a pawn in these endless struggled through darkness and light... and chosing both.

Chosing the bad with the good. Which isn't even the choice. Darkness and Light are not good and evil. Hense why Rosella's nightmare is a world of perpetual boring light and Alexander's is a world of darkness he cannot escape, they are both the struggles at their core character. Deciding that even though their lives have been tough, that there has been genuin joy, genuin strength to be had, and that the journey is what sustained them all through it.

Afterall this game is called "The Silver Lining"

Edit addition: Mind you I am mostly projecting what I imagine the great twist ending is.