So a while back there was a thread about bad video games and someone mentioned a critically acclaimed and deeply loved Zelda game that they didn't like. Then all hell broke loose. But that got me thinking, we all have things that people deeply love that we don't, or we have guilty pleasures that we enjoy that others hate. This is a place to share that part of yourself without fear of judgment. Have you always thought that King's Quest VI was actually really overrated? Now you can get that off your chest! You don't have to explain yourself unless you feel you have to and you don't have to deal with someone judging you because they'll be posting next about how they still play with My Little Ponies or some such. So no judgment, and no debates on why you're wrong. Well, unless you post something really bad. If you say you're a skinhead with bodies in the basement, I'll judge you. Outside of that, though, no judgment.
And I'll go first. This is for the Star Trek fans out there: For the better part of TNG's run, Wesley Crusher was actually my favorite character. I get now how annoying he was, but I was about six years old when I first started watching TNG. I liked having a kid on the ship! And when he showed up again later in the show, there was a lot of nostalgia associated with him.
So who's next? Be brave! You know you want to let your true self out!
I don't think monkeys are cute or funny, at all.
And I've never liked Tom Bombadil. Keeping him out of the movies was absolutely the right decision.
I am one of those that never got into Seinfeld. Other than Kramer I didn't really think the characters were that funny at all. I found the show to be more annoying than funny...
I never got into it either! I've laughed when I've seen it, but I never really got into it beyond that, and I never stay on the channel when it's on either.
Speaking of overrated shows, I count Friends as one of those. I attempted to watch it but didn't like it. It wasn't my cup of tea. A lot of girls my age and older think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Green Day is overrated.
"Friday" is slightly catchy.
How to Train Your Dragon deserved the Oscar for best Animated film over Toy Story 3.
Quote from: kindofdoon on April 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Green Day is overrated.
i somewhat agree, but what it really is is they are underknown. people only know their hits and some of their new songs. then they say they are amazing based on that without knowing how amazing of a band they really are. kerplunk is my favorite green day album. most of their "fans" don't know it exists. a lot of the newer fans don't even know they have been around for more than 10 years and their old fans don't know about anything pre dookie, and don't know much post dookie until american idiot. they are one of my f avorite bands though, but they really don't have very many actual fans.
...at the moment i have nothing to add, just had to say that.
Ellen isn't funny. :P
Mel Brooks isn't funny. Except The Producers. That was funny. Nothing else though. Every movie he makes is the same jokes over and over again. Space Balls in particular was aggressively unfunny. And it has John Candy in it. I don't like John Candy either. I just don't see the appeal.
Per your Wesley Crusher comment, Damar; there are people who *don't* like him? My gosh, I loved that kid! He was one of my favorites!
I still watch Power Rangers. And I'm not afraid to say it.
I used to watch the My Little Pony tv show as a kid.
I kind of enjoy Star Trek Enterprise. Granted, I'm only on season 1, and not that far in, but so far, it's entertaining enough.
I loved Power Rangers Turbo, which is considered one of the worst seasons of it ever. It almost killed the show.
I loved Justin, the Blue Ranger from Turbo. He's a kid. Many, many fans hated his guts. I liked him.
I prefer Dubs over Subs.
I have never played the Pokemon games. and don't plan to, either.
I hate Walmart. I don't care how cheap their prices are, I hate them. Every time I walk in there, I get such a bad vibe. I've worked in Customer Service for 5 and a half years, and it's blatantly obvious to me that most of the employees at my local walmart hate their job and are treated like crap.
I have never seen The Lord of the Rings trilogy, nor have I read it.
I skipped the first two Harry Potter books and saw the movies instead.
As much as I complain about Peter Molyneux and his Chronic Hyping Disorder, I still buy his games. I still want him to have his mouth duck taped shut, though.
I bought Hulu Plus. And enjoy it.
I like the iPad. Many of my friends make fun of me for having the iPod Giant. But I don't care.
Perhaps the most shocking revelation of all: I'm a closet Justin Bieber fan... I know, it's blasphemy, but to me, not all of his songs are horrible. Plus, his story of success is actually pretty good...
I have never played Chess in my life. And I still don't know how.
I hate SuperBad. with a passion.
I like The Jonas Brothers.
I never actually beat either Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask. Still love both games and the franchise overall, but I never actually beat the whole games.
I didn't like the Dreamcast.
I liked the entire Matrix Trilogy. All three movies.
I enjoyed the movie August Rush.
I liked X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
I actually liked James Cameron's Avatar.
I see nothing wrong in cheating in video games, as long as they're offline. Cheating in an online game is wrong though, but only because you're playing against another human being somewhere in the world.
Wow... That's... um, a lot lol. I suppose I go against popular opinion a lot, don't I?
Oh! I remembered my much more notable unpopular opinion.
I don't like Will Ferrel. He's not funny. I really disliked what I saw of Anchorman, and Ferrel plays the same annoying character in almost everything he does. He is god-awful as a leading man.
That said, I deal with him in smaller side role doses, or the rare occasions he doesn't play the same annoying Will Ferrel character.
Quote from: KatieHal on April 17, 2011, 09:20:46 PM
Oh! I remembered my much more notable unpopular opinion.
I don't like Will Ferrel. He's not funny. I really disliked what I saw of Anchorman, and Ferrel plays the same annoying character in almost everything he does. He is god-awful as a leading man.
That said, I deal with him in smaller side role doses, or the rare occasions he doesn't play the same annoying Will Ferrel character.
Will Ferrell isn't my favorite by any means. Most of his movies I don't enjoy much. I did, however, enjoy Anchorman. But most of Will Ferrell's stuff I can pass up any day without a second thought.
DD, don't let anyone distract you from making up your own mind about Enterprise. I thought it was sweet (though I admit I may be slightly biased because I love Scott Bakula), despite a lot of people hating on it.
And yes, Friday is catchy. But it's still bad.
As for me...
I love Taylor Swift's music.
Kanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanon#Anime) (the 2006 anime) made me cry. Air (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_(visual_novel)#Anime) almost did.
I never got Seinfeld, Friends or The Simpsons.
I enjoy watching Phineas and Ferb.
Sweet! High five! :D
I haven't finished reading the Harry Potter books. Summer reading assignments interrupted me around book 5 and I just haven't gotten around to finishing them (getting into Mistborn has made it so that won't happen until... maybe fall at the earliest)
I also prefer dubs over subs.
I have no idea what on earth is going on in Naruto or Bleach, lost track a few years ago, and maybe it's cause I don't know the current plots of either but I'm kinda sad they're being dragged out and milked for all their worth rather than ending as shorter but much higher quality shows.
I prefer Jack Black's acting when he's a calmer version of how he's normally cast/asked to act, like in The Holiday.
Hey Doon, no judging, remember? ;)
Personally I'm fine with subs and probably prefer them in general, but if you've got a decent dub with good translation and voice acting, that can be fantastic too.
Also, I completely agree about Will Ferrell, as well as Jack Black, Mike Myers, and Jim Carrey. They're not funny and they drive me insane. Unless they do a serious role. Will Ferrell was great in Stranger than Fiction and Jim Carrey is actually perfect in The Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Jack Black needs to do something serious.
And for my next confession: I really like Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings. Yes, its a deeply flawed and rushed movie, and yes, Jackson's version was far superior. Even so, Bakshi's is an underrated masterpiece and in some very specific, select spots I actually like it more than what Jackson did.
I liked Jim Carrey in a few comedy things: In Living Color, The Mask, and Liar, Liar. Not much else, though.
Will Ferrell can be ok in small doses but, yeah, he's mostly just annoying. Actually, there don't seem to be very many movies/shows that are actually funny. :-\
Oh, and another "don't kill me": I typically vote Republican. *ducks*
Quote from: snabbott on April 18, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
I liked Jim Carrey in a few comedy things: In Living Color, The Mask, and Liar, Liar. Not much else, though.
Will Ferrell can be ok in small doses but, yeah, he's mostly just annoying. Actually, there don't seem to be very many movies/shows that are actually funny. :-\
Will Ferrell was perfect in elf, I thought.
Quote from: Damar on April 17, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
So a while back there was a thread about bad video games and someone mentioned a critically acclaimed and deeply loved Zelda game that they didn't like. Then all hell broke loose.
;] Damar, your awesomeness grows everytime you post.
Okay, here goes:
I hate Scarlett Johansson. She plays a w h o r e in too many movies, she's got a stupid face, and I can't stand to listen to her.
On a similar note, I hate Rhianna too. For many of the same reasons.
I would rather drink a bottle of $4 wine than go to a fancy restaurant and drink the "good" stuff.
Most of you know this, but for those of you know don't: I like the Twilight books and I have been to Forks, Washington.
I steal photos from Walmart sometimes. :devil:
I think that classical music is lame and boring.
When my family isn't here I walk around the house in my undies and a tank top.
I love My Little Pony! That's not shocking. The fact that I have a My Little Pony tattoo? Maybe a bit moreso.
I am deliberately late getting back to work from lunch sometimes because I can't stand the woman who breaks me.
I have faked a migraine more than once so I can stay home and play the Sims.
I have never seen The Godfather, Citizen Kane, or Breakfast at Tiffany's.
I took four years of Spanish in high school mainly because the girl I hated then thought she was better than I was and had only taken three years.
...jeez. Okay. Now I'm accomplishing being deliberately late having revealed all this to you guys. Ta ta for now!
QuoteI have never seen The Godfather, Citizen Kane, or Breakfast at Tiffany's.
Neither have I. They are on the *to watch* list though.
I don't really like the show The Office.
Also don't like Will Ferrell either.
Quote from: snabbott on April 18, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
Oh, and another "don't kill me": I typically vote Republican. *ducks*
*phew* I'm not the only one! :P
Quote from: Morwen on April 18, 2011, 02:09:03 PM
I don't really like the show The Office.
The (original) British version is much better than the American one! :)
I feel that depends on your brand of humor. I saw a few episodes of the British one and personally prefer the American version--but the British certainly has its merits. I think it really comes down to one being geared towards British humor and one towards American, and YMMV.
Oh, another thing that most of you know but some of you don't: I hate cats. They totally and completely freak me out and I don't know how to love on them. I've never had one before and they are completely foreign to me.
Quote from: KatieHal on April 18, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
I feel that depends on your brand of humor. I saw a few episodes of the British one and personally prefer the American version--but the British certainly has its merits. I think it really comes down to one being geared towards British humor and one towards American, and YMMV.
Or it could just be that everything's better with an accent. :P Actually, I haven't watched the American version enough to give it a fair chance. The thing is, I just don't find Steve Carell to be particularly funny. I think I would like it better if they just replaced him with Ricky Gervais. :P
QuoteThe (original) British version is much better than the American one!
Yeah I tend to like British humor so that might be worth watching. It usually is sillier than American humor is. As for Steve Carell, he can be funny...he has done some great movies (like Dinner for Schmucks) but he does tend to play the same character over again.
Quote from: Damar on April 17, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
So a while back there was a thread about bad video games and someone mentioned a critically acclaimed and deeply loved Zelda game that they didn't like. Then all hell broke loose.
Oh yeah, that reminds me, I've never played a single Legend of Zelda game :P
And I actually enjoy the song "Never Gonna Give You Up"
Quote from: Lenny318 on April 19, 2011, 01:47:47 AM
And I actually enjoy the song "Never Gonna Give You Up"
Me, too!
Janis Joplin was one of the worst singers EVER! Even worse than Bob Dylan. :P
I've never really understood the whole Beatlemania thing. They were good, they evolved through a lot of styles, yeah, but....I really just don't get the whole insanity about them. They're good, I enjoy some of their songs, others I don't like at all, and I can say exactly the same thing about just about any other artist.
Chris-don't feel bad for owning an iPad. I rented one from my school's library last week and now am converted. I first thought it was just a giant iPod Touch but I loved it. One of these days I'd like to own one.
Katie-I completely agree. I'm not all gun ho fan girl about the Beatles either. I don't even own any of their songs.
Lenny-You are missing out! Deathly Hallows is the best one of the lot! :)
katie-i disagree, but i get what you mean. (except for saying that about any other artist. i really can only truely like a band if i like their album(s) all the way through, usually) i feel that way about elvis.
I completely agree about Elvis. I think he is horrifically overrated and I just can't stand his music. I really like the Beatles, but only after they changed their sound and Beatlemania was over. The early stuff just isn't my favorite. I'd rather hear I Am the Walrus than I Wanna Hold Your Hand any day.
On an unrelated note, I also can't stand dogs. I absolutely despise them. They're loud, drooling, smelly, overly dependent destroyers of my sanity. Dogs are the personality disorders of the animal world. I can't understand why people love them so much.
Quote from: Damar on April 19, 2011, 08:01:57 PM
I completely agree about Elvis. I think he is horrifically overrated and I just can't stand his music. I really like the Beatles, but only after they changed their sound and Beatlemania was over. The early stuff just isn't my favorite. I'd rather hear I Am the Walrus than I Wanna Hold Your Hand any day.
i agree. revolver is my favorite beatles album. don't really listen to their earlier stuff.
I think Pink Floyd were another horribly overrated band. I just couldn't get into their music. I understand its meant to be mellow but I just don't think they are that talented.
Psh. You're just another brick in the wall. ;)
Quote from: Morwen on April 19, 2011, 10:30:03 PM
I think Pink Floyd were another horribly overrated band. I just couldn't get into their music. I understand its meant to be mellow but I just don't think they are that talented.
ok... not liking them maybe..... BUT NOT TALENTED? you be trippin.
:P
Quote from: Enchantermon on April 20, 2011, 06:25:44 AM
Psh. You're just another brick in the wall. ;)
perfect response.
I like Red Dawn and I think it's sad that people can't see through the "Russians invade US"-plot for the underlying message of how there's always a chance that you might turn into what you are fighting against (both the kids and the cuban officer). I have no nostalgia toward this film since the damn thing was banned for being in this country untill 2001. First release was on a DVD in 2010.
I hate Aki Kaurismäki from the bottom of my heart. The man thinks he's an indie filmmaker, when in fact he's the mainstream of mainstream here.
I like Transformers: The Revenge of the Fallen. I Think it's way better than the first one. Heck, I love most of the stuff Michael Bay puts out. The Roc is in my personal top five (Did you guys know that one of the pilots of the F-18 in the ending scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPdukhSNrW8) later played Jesus in that Gibson movie?)
My favorite game of all time is the GBA version of Bookworm. But I do find it weird that it does accept "poo", but not "nads".
The last movie that made me cry was The Goofy Movie. The relationship between Goofy and his son and their attempts at wanting to live in the past or go too fast to adulthood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX1ayoTuNzc) are something I can easily relate to.
I think that Tarkovsky's version of Solaris totally misses the most important theme of the book.
I think that Mr Wrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmPPfqGLZVg) is funny.
I prefer music without lyrics or in a language that I can't understand. I have a few favorites that have lyrics.
For example:
Leevi and the Leavings - Sopivasti Lihava (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBOJvGzn2-Y) (Translation (http://lyricstranslate.com/en/sopivasti-lihava-fat-good-way.html))
Eppu Normaali - Murheellisten Laulujen Maa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BXSkigN45w) (Translation (http://lyricstranslate.com/en/murheellisten-laulujen-maa-land-melancholy-songs.html))
I hate it when an artist has to explain his/her work thoroughly to the audience, because it fails to communicate with them. To me it means that the piece has failed as art.
I've taken a dump on middle of the road in the night during a long bicycle trip.
I don't think Frank Sinatra was all that. He was good - just not as great as some people make him out to be, IMO.
For example, I like Something Stupid by Robbie Williams and Nicole Kidman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzeO232Mdc) better than the Frank and Nancy Sinatra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6bOCUOPN0w) version.
Though I have to admit that a Frank Sinatra and Nicole Kidman version might be better than either.
Why can't I unread that....Mik, I'm judging you for that last one. Completely judging you!
Also, the thread is for things you hate that most people don't....not taxi cab confessions. :P
Quote from: KatieHal on April 20, 2011, 10:52:57 AM
Also, the thread is for things you hate that most people don't....not taxi cab confessions.
And I hate it for that, because you can't have hate without love.
Quote from: KatieHal on April 20, 2011, 10:52:57 AM
Why can't I unread that....Mik, I'm judging you for that last one. Completely judging you!
Also, the thread is for things you hate that most people don't....not taxi cab confessions. :P
Maybe that falls into the guilty pleasures category? :P
Chibis, and any variation of chibi imaginable. For those of you not in the know, 'Chibi' is Japanese for short person. What it is in eastern society is a super deformed character used for parodies of their comics, or to give a light hearted atmosphere with the illusion of it being a child. This application is fine, and where it should stay.
Chibi is an abused art form however cause it's cute, easily liked, and you don't need to learn proportion to draw in the style cause it's already so super deformed that it ignores most rules anyways. Because of this, alot of beginner artists draw in the style, and they think that as long as it's cute, it's ok if it's wrong. That, and it's ALL you see at conventions I go to now cause it's fast to draw, and if your colouring is great, then you can get HEAPS of cheap attention from squees. I use to like it, but you know what? I'm now actually sick to death of chibis. What the heck happened to properly finished art? You don't see it anymore! The worst thing is that if artists do it too much, their 'normal' art becomes super deformed too. They can't draw adults. It REALLY destroys art styles. I've seen it happen. Chibi artists that can't draw non chibi art anymore.
SO many people love the style, but I hate it cause it destroys actual art. It's cheap, and tacky, and I'm over it. Hate me for it if you like, but that's how it is for me.
Sorry if I sound so serious >.<
Quote from: Arkillian on April 20, 2011, 07:06:49 PM
SO many people love the style, but I hate it cause it destroys actual art. It's cheap, and tacky, and I'm over it. Hate me for it if you like, but that's how it is for me.
Sorry if I sound so serious >.<
Don't forget those thousands of books with the title "Let's Draw/How to Draw Manga (insert subject here, I think I've seen one about furnitures)".
Quote from: MikPal on April 20, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
I hate it when an artist has to explain his/her work thoroughly to the audience, because it fails to communicate with them. To me it means that the piece has failed as art.
I disagree with this one. The post-modern lit crit community will gladly inform the world of the deep meanings underlying an artist's work: what defense does the artist have against such eisegesis except to actually come out and say: "No, I'm sorry you're so self-involved in your sexism/propaganda/gay theory/etc. research that you HAVE TO see it everywhere, but here's what that piece is actually saying..."?
This is true, though I think for some artists, that's the point. It's ok if it means different things to different people. I had an artist friend who didn't want to tell people what her art meant, because she wanted to know what it meant to them.
Quote from: Delling on April 21, 2011, 05:15:29 AM
"No, I'm sorry you're so self-involved in your sexism/propaganda/gay theory/etc. research that you HAVE TO see it everywhere, but here's what that piece is actually saying..."?
You know what, you are absolutely right. The sad thing is though, that I've heard the quote above coming more from the audience rather than the artist. It maybe just a regional thing, but for example I was at this film festival that had a opening at a modern art museum. The artist explained for 20 minutes all that he had meant with the work (or in this case the content of his local antique shop). When you finally saw the piece, you couldn't find anything at all what the artist had told earlier. Everybody just nodded their heads in shame to the smiling SOB that had gotten a five number sallary for hauling his junk to a dark room.
To me an artist is a person that can take an emotion, situation, image, anything, and change it to a simplified form that can be understood by the viewer. Communication. The smiley face for example.
I didn't like Christopher Eccleston as the ninth Doctor. He spent a lot of time sweating.
Katie, I think this thread is fine for "taxi-cab confessions". Maybe that's just me though...
Ah, music. I'm certainly a weird one when it comes to music. I've never listened to the Beatles, Elvis, Pink Floyd or just about any "classic" or well respected band out there. I probably wouldn't like them much anyway. I'm actually kind of getting into emo music lately, surprisingly. I'm definitely not into Screamo though. I also don't like Linkin Park's newer stuff much. I liked their first two albums a lot. I also prefer Phil Collins' Two Worlds (a song from Tarzan) in Spanish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suoCQvTZh4k&feature=related) rather than english. Also, I like Backmasking and have actually partaken in the act myself. I've backmasked something like 40-50 songs myself. Backmasking, for those that don't know, is basically reversing a song. There are sometimes hidden messages found in them. In fact, I'm almost certain I found one in the original Beyblade theme song.
*shrug* I'm just rarely if ever a fan of TMI.
Quote from: KatieHal on April 21, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
*shrug* I'm just rarely if ever a fan of TMI.
Too much information? ;D Yeah, I'm not a fan of that, either. :P
Quote from: snabbott on April 21, 2011, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: KatieHal on April 21, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
*shrug* I'm just rarely if ever a fan of TMI.
Too much information? ;D Yeah, I'm not a fan of that, either. :P
What? I *love* TMI! Especially when it comes from my parents over dinner...
Orly?
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Quote from: Enchantermon on April 21, 2011, 08:23:07 PM
Orly?
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XD that's creepy... My dad doesn't know how to text, thankfully. But in all seriousness, I don't really like TMI...
Creepy? I was thinking more along the lines of ewwww.....
creepy, eww... same thing for me...
Ah, okay, lol.
Might I remind you guys, that you yourselves are the result of that "creepy" and "ewww".
It's not sex that's eww, it's the thought of my parents doing it. :P
Quote from: Enchantermon on April 22, 2011, 05:16:43 AM
It's not sex that eww, it's the thought of my parents doing it. :P
Pretty much. Plus, I was quite ok with the story of the Stork. Not the family guy rendition of it (as hilarious as it was) but the real one... you know, the one they tell kids when they're really young. But let's get back to the point of this thread, shall we?
I was originally assuming that by "TMI," Katie was referring to Tales of Monkey Island. Now I'm wondering if she really did mean "too much information."
LOL, yes, I meant "Too Much Information."
I enjoyed Tales of Monkey Island :)
Not liking Tales of Monkey Island would have been much more of a "don't kill me." ;D
I enjoyed the first five minutes of Tales of Monkey Island... because that's how far I've gotten.
I think that TMI admissions can work for this thread. Just stay aware that if you go overboard with the TMI, you might get some judgment from others as a knee jerk reaction.
This next one I feel the need to explain fully because I always get weird looks when I say it, and the guy's death was huge. But here it is: I don't like Michael Jackson. I didn't like him on any level. On a professional level, I just plain didn't like his music. It's not my style and I didn't think there was anything particularly special or good about it. Some songs were catchy, but that's it. The King of Pop? I just don't see it. On an entertainment level, I also just didn't like him. Yeah, he could dance, but if I want to see someone dancing, I'll go to the ballet. And if I want to see a music video dwarfed by a fifteen to thirty minute prologue and epilogue filled with bad dialogue, bad acting, and an idiotic plot, the I'll...ok, this one doesn't work. Under no circumstances would I ever want to see that. And on a personal level, Jackson bothered me. First off, he was severely mentally ill (the obvious body dysmorphic disorder and a probable personality disorder. Most likely schizotypal personality disorder). Now I don't have a problem with him being mentally ill (1 out of 4 are to some level) but the problem was that he showed no insight, even when his behaviors and actions were repeatedly getting him into trouble. He just surrounded himself with yes men and doctors who would give him anything. And it killed him. His complete lack of insight directly led to him surrounding himself with a world of incompetence, which resulted in his own death. And he spent a fortune on pointless things and nothing pisses me off more than that.
So yeah, literally on every single level, I didn't like Michael Jackson.
And now for another revelation that's technically a "Please don't kill me" among those who also don't like MJ: For all his issues, I honestly don't believe he was a pedophile. Completely inappropriate around children? Definitely. But I honestly don't think it was meant to be sexual. The guy idolized childhood and had no insight. That's going to lead to behaviors that kids do like playing doctor or acting "naughty." He was wrong but I don't think he ever actually sexually assaulted anyone or was even a pedophile.
And that's my wall of text explaining my view on Michael Jackson. I feel it was necessary because 1.) I'm overly wordy as a general rule. And 2.) Because the last thing I need is someone going "OMG!!!112@! HOW CANS YOU SAYY THATS ABOUT Mj?/?? HES THE KiNGs of PoP!!!!221! YOUR IGNORANT! THATS IGNORANT AND DEVILISH!"
I didn't care for Michael Jackson's music either. As for the whole pedophile thing, I'm neutral, because I haven't made up my mind, and now that he's dead I don't see any point in dwelling on it.
I didn't like MJ's music either, but then I don't like much music after, say, Stravinsky. As for the pedophile thing... well, I never really knew what he actually did or was supposed to have done around children so I honestly don't know. So... well, I don't really think I need to delve into it and figure it out. After all, why would I? He's just some person I have no interest in and no connection with. There are lots of those - they form the majority of the human race.
Here's my guilty secret: I don't like Catherine Tate or Little Britain. I just don't see why they're funny. They're either crude, rely on swear words or obscenities, rely on predictable punchlines or are just the same joke over and over again. I just don't see why that's funny.
I've never heard of either of those comedians. But I agree; I don't see how excessive cursing and obscenities are funny.
I only know Catherine Tate from her stint on Doctor Who, which I quite enjoyed :) But I usually find it lame when comedians rely on swearing too much as well.
Quote from: darthkiwi on April 23, 2011, 02:10:13 PM
Little Britain. I just don't see why they're funny. They're either crude, rely on swear words or obscenities, rely on predictable punchlines or are just the same joke over and over again. I just don't see why that's funny.
I have to disagree with you by agreeing that after the first season it really started to get extremely repetitive. Heck, I'll come out and admit it: They propably just used the same scripts from the first season and word filtered it to happen in a different location or character.
Speaking of comedians, I never understood why people love Vintiöt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5A4n8biqlI). They just came around the same time as Kummeli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3qMjdCE_I), so I quess people were really into laughing here after the fall of the CCCP. Luckily we had Studio Julmahuvi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyFg9xoPKk) to continue the tradition.
I really, really dislike most pre-teen and teenage girls. :P In particular those who think that every problem can be solved and that life is an adventure game just because nothing particularly bad has ever happened to them. Oh, and they think they have problems and have the most ridiculous love lives ever and are almost always shrieking out of happiness or hysterical because their relationship of two whole weeks has ended because he didn't care enough/cheated on her/was putting no effort into the relationship/was too busy. They're about as interesting as a teabag and have little more to say and everything they do say is so filled with interjections that it's occasionally almost impossible to comprehend. And it's usually just wrong and displays their ignorance to the extent that you may want to weep for humanity. Not misogyny; it's just that teenage boys don't shriek and that makes them more tolerable. :P
Teenage boys may not shriek, but they are among the most stupid creatures on the face of the planet. Not all are, mind you. Some actually have some sense in their heads. But many of them make me want to slap them in the face, shake them and say "Grow up!" Ugh.
I think we can boil all this down to, "Teenagers! Ugh!"
You know, being a geek/nerd in high school, I realized something: I was more mature as a freshman than the senior jocks were. All they really cared about, and still do I reckon, is sex. I just find that incredibly sad and shallow. I had more sense back then than most freshman did, honestly. I wish that wasn't true, but it seems to be the case.
Also, I never liked MJ either. That whole scandal kind of made me think worse of him anyway; I was fairly young when that came to light, so it kind of formed some negative connotations in my head.
Quote from: dark-daventry on April 24, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
You know, being a geek/nerd in high school, I realized something: I was more mature as a freshman than the senior jocks were. All they really cared about, and still do I reckon, is sex. I just find that incredibly sad and shallow. I had more sense back then than most freshman did, honestly. I wish that wasn't true, but it seems to be the case.
Aww, I was a social outcast too. :P I used to bring political novels or history textbooks and sometimes PSD's to school and read/analyse/reflect upon them extensively in huge notebooks, rather than put up with their nonsense. :P The good thing about that is, because you have no social group, you can't be collectively pressured into doing anything mindbogglingly stupid. :P
Quote from: Deloria on April 24, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on April 24, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
You know, being a geek/nerd in high school, I realized something: I was more mature as a freshman than the senior jocks were. All they really cared about, and still do I reckon, is sex. I just find that incredibly sad and shallow. I had more sense back then than most freshman did, honestly. I wish that wasn't true, but it seems to be the case.
Aww, I was a social outcast too. :P I used to bring political novels or history textbooks and sometimes PSD's to school and read/analyse/reflect upon them extensively in huge notebooks, rather than put up with their nonsense. :P The good thing about that is, because you have no social group, you can't be collectively pressured into doing anything mindbogglingly stupid. :P
The reason I've been able to resist drugs, drinking and smoking is probably because I was a social outcast. I hung out with others like me (almost all girls, too...). We watched from the sidelines as the jocks did all sorts of stupid things. We were determined to never follow in their footsteps. Some of us succeeded, while others didn't, sadly.
Anything's fine in moderation. :) I'm not speaking out against drinking or trying new, possibly forbidden things (I think experimentation to a certain degree is important), but most teenagers simply don't know when to stop. I know people who consider an evening to be wasted if they don't have a one-night stand or get drunk enough to stay up all night, covered in their own vomit. That attitude completely sickens me.
Quote from: Deloria on April 24, 2011, 06:45:58 PM
Anything's fine in moderation. :) I'm not speaking out against drinking or trying new, possibly forbidden things (I think experimentation to a certain degree is important), but most teenagers simply don't know when to stop. I know people who consider an evening to be wasted if they don't have a one-night stand or get drunk enough to stay up all night, covered in their own vomit. That attitude completely sickens me.
the sad thing is i know exactly what you mean, some of my friends have that problem, and i'm only a freshman. :P
i completely forget what i was going to post in this thread now... oh well.
The extremes you mention are one reason I think moderation IS a good thing indeed, Deloria. I feel like there's more tendency to snap from one extreme (nothing at all) to another (EVERYTHING at once) without it. I don't think it'll necessarily happen, but it seems to me it becomes more of a possibility.
I didn't drink or smoke or do anything else that would be 'risque' in high school at all. I started drinking in college, but I kinda eased into it, I only really started after I felt comfortable around my new friends. I tried smoking like....4 times ever, I think, and hated it every time. I've never tried any drugs and don't plan to, I've never really been interested in doing so.
Experimentation is important at that age just because teenagers are going through a time where they are trying to figure out who they are/who they want to be. Also, its important because there is a greater chance of regret later on in life if they don't live at least a little bit.
Indeed. There are things I regret not doing when I was younger. None of them, however, are 'man, why didn't I bang that guy?' or 'crap, I should've gotten high that night!' ;) Rather the two things that top my list of things I should've done were (a) gone abroad for a semester in my junior year like I always wanted to, but never did, and (b) dumped the guy I started dating freshman year after six months instead of 2 years!
But, um, right, on topic, uh....
Please Don't Kill Me! But... leetspeak is really friggin' annoying. Learn to spell, people!
Pfft, n00b. ;)
Seriously, though, are you referring to 13375p34|< or texting shorthand like "i go for wlk; txt me, k? ttfn"?
PHRe4K1N' N00B. 5hUt Teh PhR4ck Up Th12 8e TEH 8E5tE5T W4Y t0 tYPe kU2 1 R Teh lEet h4X0R
Hey guys, no judgement, remember? And yes, I know you're all joking. I like 13375p34k.
ok so please don't kill me but...I can't stand it when people update their status on facebook every two seconds just to report to everyone that they are doing their laundry, or watching tv lol.
Quote from: Morwen on April 25, 2011, 11:34:36 PM
ok so please don't kill me but...I can't stand it when people update their status on facebook every two seconds just to report to everyone that they are doing their laundry, or watching tv lol.
Hold on, I'm updating my facebook status to reflect this post XD
I like Facebook, but I try to space my status updates out over a period of days or hours. Furthermore, I try to make them either engaging (like getting people to actually comment on them) or informative (announcing my official return to work after a long absence, for example).I have occasionally announced to all my friends that I'm taking a shower or something, but those status updates are few and far between.
I agree. And also those things on the iPhone where you can say I'm at so and so place. It seems stalkerish to me. someone could try to track you down at said place. You don't need to share every single minute detail of your day.
So, please don't murder me or assassinate me or some other rather fatal act, but... I hate zombies. I hate the whole craze.
Maybe you'll get turned into a zombie. Then you'll hate yourself. :P
Quote from: dark-daventry on April 26, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
I hate zombies. I hate the whole craze.
Me too! And I hate how they show up in so many video games, like Halo, Half Life, Left 4 Dead, etc.
To be fair, Half-Life had zombies before they were big.
And if you want to be technical, they aren't really zombies in the first place, even though everyone calls them that.
Zombies are definitely a fad...but I admit I enjoy it :) But, I enjoy zombie stories that focus more on the idea of what something like that would do to people and society. Which is why Walking Dead rocks (both the show and the graphic novels).
I heard they're making a movie of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
Quote from: dark-daventry on April 26, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
So, please don't murder me or assassinate me or some other rather fatal act, but... I hate zombies. I hate the whole craze.
I don't get it either! What's the big deal?! They're even taking classics like Pride and Prejudice and making it all about zombies. ::) So ridiculous!
(Posted on: April 27, 2011, 11:04:33 AM)
Quote from: snabbott on April 27, 2011, 11:58:14 AM
I heard they're making a movie of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
Oh, haha. You beat me to it, Snabbott. ;D
I found it pretty amusing in PP&Z, if silly, but it was meant to be silly. The zombie stuff in there is largely incidental to the story--the basics of the whole thing are the same. Apart from Elizabeth and her sisters having studied as some kind of Shaolin Temple to become masters in martial arts and killing zombies, anyways. ;D
I may hate Zombies, but my friend loves them. so much so that she's started calling me Steve The Undead Zombie. I don't know where Steve came from, but whatever. She's now intent on making it a saturday morning cartoon/video game. She's already got the jingle and character sketches down. Don't be surprised if you see a Steve The Undead Zombie game coming out of Phoenix down the line. My friend also insists that I voice steve. Why? Because, technically, he's me. He's my alter-ego. And I gotta admit, it's the only zombie thing I'd like. I do hate zombies though. I never did like them. I gotta say though, this fad has lasted far longer than I imagined it would have.
Speaking of zombies...
I hate stories in the genre of "it was not the blood sucking cannibal virus bears that was the beast, no, it was man".
I also think the whole zombie fad is silly. I hate the way they've been so overused. I mean, a zombie is a walking corpse which was once alive, had memories, had a past, maybe had a family, has been robbed of its humanity and is now a hideous, rotting monster which has been somehow wrenched out of its own death and which has no emotion but hunger now. That's TERRIFYING! And yet I'm as used to zombies now as I am of, say, McDonalds. They're just *there*.
That said, I think the Thief games did zombies right. They can be properly killed with a bunch of flash bombs or holy water, but both are in short supply. And although you can "kill" them by bashing them with your sword, they'll fall down for 30 seconds or so and then get up again. Some of my most terrifying gaming moments have involved desperately hacking away at a zombie, assuming it's dead, studying its corpse with interest and then almost dying of fright when it suddenly gets back up and kills me in a single blow.
QuoteI hate stories in the genre of "it was not the blood sucking cannibal virus bears that was the beast, no, it was man".
I know. If you've got a city full of rampaging monsters then it's difficult to argue that man is the real monster. The only story I know of that actually pulls that off is I Am Legend (the book, not the film). Interestingly, they tried to pull off a similar ending in the Will Smith film adaptation, but they'd taken so many (stupid) liberties with the source material that it was just ridiculous. You can't fill the whole world with blood-thirsty, man-tearing monsters and then end with a "We're all the same, but different!" message.
Quote from: writerlove on April 26, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
I agree. And also those things on the iPhone where you can say I'm at so and so place. It seems stalkerish to me. someone could try to track you down at said place. You don't need to share every single minute detail of your day.
Hey, my highly functional relationship is the product of stalking. :P
XD Deloria speaks truly.
This might not be considered so much of a "guilty" pleasure, but I found the Royal Wedding very exciting and I just got done watching it. Most elegant three hours of my life! :smitten:
Quote from: Deloria on April 29, 2011, 03:29:18 AM
Quote from: writerlove on April 26, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
I agree. And also those things on the iPhone where you can say I'm at so and so place. It seems stalkerish to me. someone could try to track you down at said place. You don't need to share every single minute detail of your day.
Hey, my highly functional relationship is the product of stalking. :P
Really? What's the detailed story?
Quote from: Haids1987 on April 30, 2011, 08:07:31 PM
This might not be considered so much of a "guilty" pleasure, but I found the Royal Wedding very exciting and I just got done watching it. Most elegant three hours of my life! :smitten:
I think you're in the majority, Haids. I didn't actually watch it, though. Too much going on in my life lol. I can always youtube it later.
Well, I was hoping! ;) I didn't think that was too much of a confession, but y'know.
I only got to watch 15 minutes of it or so but her dress was so beautiful. I can't even imagine how nervous she probably was...that would just be absolutely crazy.
Today's big news in America has reminded me of another these.
Don't hate me, but I can't stand that god-awful song "Proud to Be an American." It is terrible. I despite that it became so damn popular after 9/11.
And my hatred of that song goes back much further than that, of note. I was in marching band in high school and we did some Memorial Day parades. That song was one of the ones they would play at one of the stops we made during the parade in my hometown. And I hated it every damn time!
Quote from: KatieHal on May 02, 2011, 07:42:47 AM
Don't hate me, but I can't stand that god-awful song "Proud to Be an American."
Me, either!
Oh man, I hate that song too...but, embarrassingly enough, when I see a choir of little kids singing it (like at a Veteran's Day assembly or something), I cry like a baby every time. ::) I know! I know! It's so lame and cliche, but I can't help it! It's like seeing a bride walk down the aisle--the tears just come and won't stop! :P
Okay, Twilight-related confession time: Stephenie Meyer wrote "The Complete Illustrated Guide" to Twilight, which was released sometime last week. When I saw it at Target last night, I actually blew the $23 and bought it. ;] WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!?!?!?! I can't not buy everything that she writes that's related to Twilight! The fanfic and other books can just blow past me, but whenever I see that Stephenie Meyer has written something new, I must have it! But, in my defense, it's really interesting. It goes through the characters, locations, etc. like an encyclopedia, and it's detailed and seems to be answering some of the "in-between" questions.
Please let me live. I beg of thee! :sweating:
If you write a nice long piece summarizing and mocking it, then I'll refrain from judging :)
So far there's a 62-page interview between Stephenie Meyer and some other author (Shannon Hale...I'm guessing that's where Rosalie Hale's name comes from?) and I haven't gotten through it yet. I'll keep you updated and write my mocking piece in the Twilight thread...I want to live!
62 page interview?! What? Why? How--what could they possibly talk about for 62 pages?! :o
Like I said, it's more interesting than I thought it would be! *Shamefully hides face* It's divided into sections: the beginning of Twilight, her writing process, on how she feels about her characters and how they shape the story...I got through half of it, but my eyes were drooping and I needed to go to sleep. I plan on picking it up again in the near future. ::)
Quote from: snabbott on May 02, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Quote from: KatieHal on May 02, 2011, 07:42:47 AM
Don't hate me, but I can't stand that god-awful song "Proud to Be an American."
Me, either!
Oh wow...I cry every time I hear it! I love the song!
I'm sure Katie and snabbot cry every time they hear it, too. ;)
EDIT: Just so I'm clear, Cat, I'm not making fun of you. :)
I like the sentiment of the song, just not the song itself. :-\
I like most nationalistic songs, but not that one. :P
EDIT: I suppose that's a "Please don't kill me" confession. :P Does anyone else like das Deutschlandlied? :P All awesome anthems are by renowned composers. :D Austria's is by Mozart. :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 03, 2011, 09:37:39 AM
I like most nationalistic songs, but not that one. :P
EDIT: I suppose that's a "Please don't kill me" confession. :P
Since you're not American, I don't think anyone would necessarily expect you to like it. Well, at least anyone who doesn't think America is the center of the universe. :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 03, 2011, 09:37:39 AM
Does anyone else like das Deutschlandlied? :P All awesome anthems are by renowned composers. :D Austria's is by Mozart. :P
Yes, though I know it better as "Glorious things of thee are spoken."
Quote from: snabbott on May 03, 2011, 12:04:35 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 03, 2011, 09:37:39 AM
I like most nationalistic songs, but not that one. :P
EDIT: I suppose that's a "Please don't kill me" confession. :P
Since you're not American, I don't think anyone would necessarily expect you to like it. Well, at least anyone who doesn't think America is the center of the universe. :P
Actually, I'm a dual citizen, but I've considered giving it up at some point in the future because I'd like to acquire English citizenship and I don't think you're allowed to have three. :P
You have dual citizenship, Deloria? That's interesting! Why is that? Were you born here? Or is perhaps one of your parents American?
My mother is American. :)
I SO did not know that! :D
So ahem, back to my embarrassing Twilight confession...Katie, I hate to break it to you, but I'm really not hating this book. At. All. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! It's so interesting--I actually like it better than the actual Twilight books. So far I finished the ridiculously long interview, but I've read all the histories and backstories of the Cullen family, and I'm about to start on the Volturi's story. ;]
I shame myself. :wall:
Just returned from the theater:
I liked Rango better than The King's Speech!
lol Rango does look like a cute movie though. As for the Kings Speech, I found it to be a little slow (you have to expect that..) but it was still good.
Forget cute. If you don't know who R. duke and Dr. Gonzo are, you're going to miss atleast one of the jokes.
And animals die right before there is a joke about prostate exams! With hairy hands!! How cool is that!
Deloria--what's your second citizenship?
I'm Swiss. :) You have no idea how annoying it is, as a royalist, to belong to two countries that are showcases for democracy. :P Have I mentioned that we vote on whether to vote on whether to vote? :P
XD
Quote from: Deloria on May 03, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
I'm Swiss. :)
Wow! I bet your parents have one helluva love story. :lovegoggles:
I though Forrest Gump was possibly the most overrated movie of all time. Just an all around bad (at best mediocre) movie trying to overcompensate by using emotional manipulation.
GASP!
Quote from: Damar on May 17, 2011, 06:53:47 AM
using emotional manipulation.
I thought that was the whole point of art.
Quote from: Damar on May 17, 2011, 06:53:47 AM
I though Forrest Gump was possibly the most overrated movie of all time. Just an all around bad (at best mediocre) movie trying to overcompensate by using emotional manipulation.
YES!! :P Finally someone says it! :P
(Posted on: 17 May 2011, 16:19:58)
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 03, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 03, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
I'm Swiss. :)
Wow! I bet your parents have one helluva love story. :lovegoggles:
They were seated next to each other in a seedy restaurant because everything else was closed. She was on a date and he was out with a friend for drinks. :P
...and Haids' visions of Swiss fairy tale romance tumbled to the floor with a resounding THUD.
;)
I like the fact she met her future husband while on a date with somebody else XD
Quote from: Enchantermon on May 17, 2011, 08:28:50 AM
...and Haids' visions of Swiss fairy tale romance tumbled to the floor with a resounding THUD.
;)
Nah, it could still work. Maybe the guy she was with was being a jerk and he stepped in chivalrously... or perhaps he was just boring as hell and thus Deloria's father provided a good alternative for conversation.
Quote from: Delling on May 17, 2011, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Enchantermon on May 17, 2011, 08:28:50 AM
...and Haids' visions of Swiss fairy tale romance tumbled to the floor with a resounding THUD.
;)
Nah, it could still work. Maybe the guy she was with was being a jerk and he stepped in chivalrously... or perhaps he was just boring as hell and thus Deloria's father provided a good alternative for conversation.
XD XD I don't think he was either. :P As far as I know, they all got along rather well and then my mother spontaneously decided that she was going to go to Paris for the weekend and asked if anyone wanted to come along. :P They decided to get married about two days later. :P
And then (for Haids' sake since she wants a Swiss fairy tale romance) they traveled to Paris on a flying swan coach created by their fairy godmother.
Quote from: MikPal on May 17, 2011, 07:35:29 AM
Quote from: Damar on May 17, 2011, 06:53:47 AM
using emotional manipulation.
I thought that was the whole point of art.
Not at all. Art should have something to say on its own. If it needs to resort to manipulation to get across what it wants to say, then maybe it's expressing itself badly. Reaction is not art. Art can cause a reaction, but too many times people think that just because someone feels good or shocked means that the artist must be saying something. It doesn't. Forrest Gump took a nice, heart-warming concept and ham-handedly pounded it into the ground.
For sappy purposes, I should add that the proposal took place on the Eiffel Tower. ::) Though if anyone ever did that to me, I'd say no. :P It really is an eyesore. :P
But if it were *on* the Eiffel tower, you wouldn't be able to see it! :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 17, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
They were seated next to each other in a seedy restaurant because everything else was closed. She was on a date and he was out with a friend for drinks. :P
Quote from: Enchantermon on May 17, 2011, 08:28:50 AM
...and Haids' visions of Swiss fairy tale romance tumbled to the floor with a resounding THUD.
;)
XD Actually, that's not a bad story! It's not like he was mugging her in the back alley. I think it's sweet! But then again, it's
me, so...::)
Quote from: darthkiwi on May 17, 2011, 04:07:55 PM
But if it were *on* the Eiffel tower, you wouldn't be able to see it! :P
You can go up and see all of Paris from a glorified metal cage. :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 17, 2011, 02:18:41 PM
For sappy purposes, I should add that the proposal took place on the Eiffel Tower. ::) Though if anyone ever did that to me, I'd say no. :P It really is an eyesore. :P
You'd probably enjoy the beginning of Team America.
Quote from: darthkiwi on May 17, 2011, 04:07:55 PM
But if we were *on* the Eiffel tower, you wouldn't be able to see it! :P
I fixed it. :D I'm certainly not going anywhere near something it without someone who appreciates badly done Art Nouveau. :P I love it if it's done well. :P
Speaking of Paris, please don't kill me, but I think the Mona Lisa (La Gioconda) is the most overrated piece of art on the planet. Why do people like that thing so much? When I went to the Louvre I got to see Hammurabi's Code, I got to see works by Van Gogh, I even got a picture of the Venus DeMilo that was so lifelike due to the lighting that the sculpture actually looked like a real person. Yet when the time came to see the Mona Lisa, that's what everyone was clustered around.
A massive crowd of people jostling each other to see what is actually a fairly small painting behind tinted bullet-proof glass. And that crowd is constant. The Louvre is so massive you could spend days there looking at everything, and people just go there to gawk at an ugly painting because they think it's the best thing ever put on canvas.
Oh, and the Eiffel Tower didn't bother me much, though I much prefer all the gothic architecture that Paris had to offer. I love me some pointy spires!
I completely agree. :P Tourists generally have no idea what real culture/art is and just like what's famous, whatever the reason for it being famous. :P I do, however, know people who would swear on their life that it's "not the real thing because [they] saw the real thing x years ago and it was much better then". ::)
The Louvre has some exceptional things to offer. :) Napoleon III's apartments are usually worth a visit and the crown jewels are pretty stunning (though all but a very few pieces have been taken to the cellar until 2012 while renovations of the palace are underway) from what I recall. That said, the sculptures in the Musee d'Orsay are more impressive. :)
Speaking of more overrated art, Basquiat is just bad. :P Really bad. :P I wish things with a shock-factor weren't considered art if they have nothing else to offer the observer. And people on drugs can produce great art, so I don't think that was a factor. :P
On a similar note, Rome is the worst place in the former empire to go for Roman ruins. :P Completely overrated and badly preserved and just not pretty. :P If you want Roman ruins, go to Jordan. They're actually fantastic and impressive there. :P
I totally agree about the Mona Lisa. I have no desire to ever see it. What makes people find it so stunning? Her smile? Really? What is all the hype about, I don't get it!
Darthkiwi and I had a conversation about this an hour ago. :P It's apparently her faintly luminescent skin. :P
Or maybe it's the fact that her smile implies that she can get her merchant husband to give you a discount.
Regardless, I think the painting sucks. It sucks wicked hard. The rest of the Louvre was awesome though as was the Musee d'Orsay. And the Musee Rodin. Pretty much all the museums actually. I do love museums. Paris was just fantastic. And I got to visit Jim Morrison's grave on top of everything else. I want to go back. And I want to eat a Croque Madam for lunch again. You just can't get that in the US.
I haven't been to Paris, or the Louvre, but I have trouble getting into art museums anyways. They're just not my thing. I can appreciate masterful works, and people with immense talent, I'm just not big on art museums. I have been to Italy and I saw the David, which is indeed an amazing work. And the Trevi fountain, along with just about everything in Rome itself, is also quite stunning. Vatican City's collection, and the Vatican itself, are also gorgeous.
Meh. When I was there, I couldn't help feeling that anything Rome could do, x other country/city could usually do better. It was especially disappointing for baroque. Early baroque cluttered with Egyptian influences just isn't as good as the later, purer stuff, though I will grant that some of the sculptures were stunning, particularly in the Galleria Borghese.
Quote from: KatieHal on May 29, 2011, 07:18:46 PM
I haven't been to Paris, or the Louvre, but I have trouble getting into art museums anyways.
Why!? What did you do? :shock: Are you an international high-end burglar of exotic Renaissance art!? :ninja:
Quote from: KatieHal on May 29, 2011, 07:18:46 PMThey're just not my thing. I can appreciate masterful works, and people with immense talent, I'm just not big on art museums.
Oh, ooooooooooooooooooh... ... :sweating: heh-heh... carry on.
[I actually did go through that moment as I read Katie's post XD (and yes, I am fully aware that "getting into" something is an idiom)... but then I was all... oh, the boring reason :-\]
Quote from: Deloria on May 29, 2011, 01:51:59 PM
Speaking of more overrated art, Basquiat is just bad. :P Really bad. :P
Even this? :P ::)
(http://www.potomitan.info/ki_nov/images/basquiat_monalisa.jpg)
I said I thought it slightly overhyped. :P Child-like scribbling mixed in with social criticism doesn't turn you into an artist. ::)
I just thought it was appropriate given the discussion about the Mona Lisa. :P
Well...the argument about "what is art?' can be long and insane (I've been in one before!), so I'll simply add that it does make you an artist, but it doesn't make a good one. :)
Basquiat is painfully bad regardless of whether you consider it to be art or not. :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 31, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
I said I thought it slightly overhyped. :P Child-like scribbling mixed in with social criticism doesn't turn you into an artist. ::)
:rofl: :hug: vous etes la meilleuse! XD
If only everything I said and wrote could be under the topic, "Please Don't Kill Me! But..." lol
I'm in agreement with those who don't care for Forrest Gump. Also, Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, and Will Ferell are not very funny, IMO.
But, to my most "Please don't kill me" comment...*drum roll*... King's Quest III is one of only a few games that I refuse to play without a walk-through. The time limits stressed me out, and the ingredient searching was tedious. I get the plot, but it's just painful to play the game. Once I beat the game, several years ago, I decided not to try it again. Although I did watch the walk-through for Redux on YouTube.
I really enjoy listening to "Girl in the Tower" (vocal version).
Also, even though I played through all of the Space Quest games, I still don't understand half of what I did in those games. Apparently they take a more intelligent person than I. Thank goodness for walk-throughs!
Regarding the song, "Friday"... I honestly can't tell the difference between the overly used AutoTune on that song and anything by Rihanna or Akon - especially his song, "Beautiful." Whatever makes AutoTune worthwhile is beyond me - does it just cover the inability to sing??
I like listening to Girl in the Tower. It's early 90s cheesy pop ballads at its best :D
I also agree about autotune. I don't get why it's so popular. It just makes you sound talentless and a fraud. WHY would you want to record with it? Does it really make the voice sound much better.? Not really. You're using autotune as a crutch to lean upon to give you success. It just distorts the voice and shows such a drastic difference between the studio and live performance. You can't hide behind autotune live. It's aggravating the "artists" on the charts now rely on that crap. I'd rather listen to artists that are real and don't need any embellishment or altering of the voice. (/endrant)
Quote from: DawsonJ on June 01, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
Whatever makes AutoTune worthwhile is beyond me - does it just cover the inability to sing??
AutoTune the News (http://www.youtube.com/show/autotunethenews) makes it worthwhile! :P
Quote from: writerlove on June 01, 2011, 08:08:25 PM
I also agree about autotune. I don't get why it's so popular.
So you don't belieeeeeeeve in life after love?
I wonder if anybody has used AutoTune on Cedric's voice."PoOoOoOisonous :o Snakes!"
And the Baby Cry AutoTune recording is hilarious, too. I say it should
be used for fun, not in "Professional" music.
(::Rant
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Quote from: DawsonJ on June 01, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
Whatever makes AutoTune worthwhile is beyond me - does it just cover the inability to sing??
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R_3mXZBsuU
start at 10 minutes for the most noticeable autotune part, or listen to the whole 25 minute suite to see how well it fits in and how awesome it can be with a good singer used for a vocal effect.
edit: oh and autotune the news is amazing.
BUILD A TURTLE FENCE
Quote from: atec123 on June 03, 2011, 07:17:33 AM
edit: oh and autotune the news is amazing.
BUILD A TURTLE FENCE
I second this. ATTN is my favorite video series on YouTube.
Don't kill me but I actually have no desire to finish the Harry Potter series as I do not believe the ending will be as good as a trilogy I recently finished reading.
What trilogy?
Quote from: KatieHal on June 04, 2011, 11:13:51 AM
What trilogy?
Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson, it's a really good read (good enough to make my brother, who usually only reads manga, read the 2nd 600+ page book in 5 days).
Thinking back to Harry Potter I think the movies do a good job covering what is in those books and the ending of the series has been spoiled for me so I think I have a hard time detaching myself from what I know to allow myself to fully enjoy the words Rowling has written.
The movies do a good job (except for Half-Blood Prince; that one needed to be two movies as well, imo), but the books are still worth a read, even if you know the ending. I've read through them once and plan on reading them again when I can afford to purchase them.
Lenny-I can see your point. But like Jon said, the books are still worth reading. They are amazing. JKR has such imagination and a way with words that most readers can't help getting lost in the world created. I do every time I reread them. (and I've read them countless times)., It never gets old.
Jon-Meh, Half Blood Prince needed to sort out its priorities. They focused too much on the light hearted stuff and not enough on Voldemort's back story. And even on the light hearted stuff they changed it around! Bah. That movie agitates me. That one and Goblet of Fire are underwhelming. The others I have enjoyed immensely. And MTV Movie Awards is supposed to show a new clip of DH 2 tonight, weeeee!
Right, and that's why I think Half-Blood Prince would have been better if it had been split into two full-length movies; it would have had more time to flesh things out and would have felt less disjointed.
I thought Goblet of Fire was pretty good, actually. However, when I saw it I hadn't yet read the books, so it's possible that I would think differently if I refreshed my memory of the book and then watched it again.
I think the biggest mistake they made with the movies was cutting out the backstory of Harry's parents' generation. It would've taken maybe 15 minutes, tops, to keep that in Prisoner of Azkaban, and the further along the story goes, the more important that backstory becomes. It's part of why HBP wasn't as good a movie as it could've been--that past is very important to the story going on in that book, but they'd already downplayed it immensely in the previous movies, to their detriment.
Overall, I really like the movies, and love the books. They're generally excellent adaptations, too--that's just the one big bad call that was made, IMO, in making them.
Quote from: Enchantermon on June 05, 2011, 07:29:32 PM
Right, and that's why I think Half-Blood Prince would have been better if it had been split into two full-length movies; it would have had more time to flesh things out and would have felt less disjointed.
I thought Goblet of Fire was pretty good, actually. However, when I saw it I hadn't yet read the books, so it's possible that I would think differently if I refreshed my memory of the book and then watched it again.
Actually, I think HBP would've been terrible as two movies. Keep in mind how incredibly passive it is. Sure, Voldemort's backstory would be interesting, but in between would be long,
long spans of teenage drama. Heck, they added the fight at the Burrow because of the lack of action.
Eh. I can handle teenage drama if there's other important stuff going on at the same time, and I think they could have made it work.
Quote from: dark-daventry on April 17, 2011, 09:15:18 PM
I actually liked James Cameron's Avatar.
I just noticed this. Is that considered a guilty pleasure? 'Cause I liked it too, a lot. I didn't know it was unpopular to like it--people here were all gooey and lovey about it!
Quote from: Haids1987 on June 08, 2011, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on April 17, 2011, 09:15:18 PM
I actually liked James Cameron's Avatar.
I just noticed this. Is that considered a guilty pleasure? 'Cause I liked it too, a lot. I didn't know it was unpopular to like it--people here were all gooey and lovey about it!
It's unpopular on the internet. I haven't seen it yet, but from what I've heard, I'd probably only like the battle at the end. I usually don't care for environmental movies.
Yeah, people seemed to love Avatar. There were even clinical cases of people becoming depressed after watching it because they didn't live on Pandora. It kind of kickstarted a situational depression for them.
Personally I didn't see Avatar. It looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me.
Speaking of which...Please don't kill me, but I hated Dances with Wolves. I already knew that whitey perpetrated horrific acts against the Native Americans. Did you have anything else you wanted to add, movie? No? Just that? For three straight hours? Oh, ok then.
Quote from: Damar on June 14, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
Personally I didn't see Avatar. It looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me.
And that's basically what it is. :yes: But it was still good. I personally liked the "go green and save our Mother!" theme. ;D
Quote from: Damar on June 14, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
Speaking of which...Please don't kill me, but I hated Dances with Wolves.
Never seen it all the way through, but I thought it was only okay. Please don't kill me, but I really don't like Kevin Costner. His narrating voice is TERRIBLE, and he seems to do it in too many of his movies--Dances with Wolves, Field of Dreams, Dragonfly, etc. Gaaaah! :X
Quote from: Damar on June 14, 2011, 07:23:55 PMPersonally I didn't see Avatar. It looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me.
More like Pocahontas from what I've been told. I've only seen part of it, though.
They actually called the ore they were there to mine Unobtainium, 'nuff said. ::)
Yeah, that name never ceases to amaze me. It's one of those things that should go down in history as a "What were they thinking?"
I didn't mind that name, actually, as it directly nodded to the fact that the ore was just a macguffin in the story and not actually important. That and it was kind of played off as possibly being a joking nickname.
(Of course, given how they set things up, it SHOULD have been important. How to avoid the whole conflict of the movie? Actually have Jake Sully do his job and talk to the natives about the freakin' ore!)
It was indeed Dances With Aliens. (which in turn pretty much is Pocahontas--at least the Disney version of the story)
I should add: I enjoyed the movie but didn't love it. It was VERY pretty and the effects were amazing. No questioning that part. But the story was unoriginal and the characters were set pieces.
Yes, I should have been more specific: Disney's Pocahontas.
Again, I haven't seen the whole thing, so I can't say too much about it. I do agree that what I saw was very pretty and well-done. I didn't care too much for the acting, though. Maybe it got better, but about 30 minutes in it had yet to hit a good stride.
I should mention that I only stopped watching it because I had to; I realized after I started that I didn't have the time to watch the whole thing. I plan on finishing it when I can.
Speaking of Disney: I really didn't like the Lion King. Everyone talks about how awesome it was, but I found it derivative and obnoxious. Personally, I think the last truly great film Disney did was Beauty and the Beast. Everything afterward just smacks of Disney trying to be cool for the kids. And as any kid can tell you, nothing is cooler than an adult trying to act like they're down with the...the...coolness and badness and whatever it is the kids are saying nowadays...
Putting my own spin on Damar's comment... I don't like most of the Disney / Pixar movies. Or Pixar by themselves. Like Cars 2 and Monsters Inc. 2 - no thanks, I'll pass. Toy Story 3 was a good ending to the series, and Finding Nemo was alright, but that's it for me.
Was there a sequel to Monster's Inc? I didn't think there was... :-\
There's a prequel called Monsters University being worked on.
Ok. My bad. I just heard that there's another one in production. I figured it would be a sequel.
No matter how many times I watch Titanic, I can't cry at the end.
Also, I thought The Social Network was a horrible movie, and I want my money back.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on July 10, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
No matter how many times I watch Titanic, I can't cry at the end.
I am so beyond crying during Titanic it's ridiculous. I've seen it wayyyyyyy too many times to get choked up anymore.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on July 10, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
No matter how many times I watch Titanic, I can't cry at the end.
I can't help but think that there are at least dozens of solutions to their situation which would result in their both having survived. He dies because the writers decided he died because for some reason that makes it a good love story.
Love stories where one or both parties die in the end ESPECIALLY out of devotion to the other party are the best love stories. Obviously, just look at
Romeo & Juliet. ::)
Quote from: Delling on July 14, 2011, 05:46:02 AMObviously, just look at Romeo & Juliet. ::)
The one that started it all. :smitten:
Love stories have really always existed. :P The earliest surviving ones are from the first century AD. :yes: And Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet is definitely not the first, because he based the play on an Italian novella written sometime in the early to mid 16th century.
I, on the other hand, never cry at Romeo & Juliet but always cry at Titanic. The reason? If R&J (or their family members) had been a little more sensible, the whole tragedy part could've been avoided! Rose & Jack, on the other hand, they were doomed no matter what they did, thanks to the iceberg and all.
Quote from: KatieHal on July 19, 2011, 03:09:44 PM
I, on the other hand, never cry at Romeo & Juliet but always cry at Titanic. The reason? If R&J (or their family members) had been a little more sensible, the whole tragedy part could've been avoided! Rose & Jack, on the other hand, they were doomed no matter what they did, thanks to the iceberg and all.
I always considered Romeo and Juliet to be a satire in these respects. Because the entire story takes place over the period of a few days, and these two lovebirds go through the motions of a couple who seem like they have been together for an eternity. Shakespeare always used satire in many of his other pieces. Most notably for The Taming of the Shrew. All in all, he was a sarcastic piece of work. Romeo and Juliet is definitely a tragedy, no doubt. But I'm skeptical on calling it a romance of any kind.
Quote from: KatieHal on July 19, 2011, 03:09:44 PM
I, on the other hand, never cry at Romeo & Juliet but always cry at Titanic. The reason? If R&J (or their family members) had been a little more sensible, the whole tragedy part could've been avoided! Rose & Jack, on the other hand, they were doomed no matter what they did, thanks to the iceberg and all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqQ9CV9sJCI&NR=1
See, while they were doomed to be on the
Titanic in a movie titled
Titanic, I find their final situation [spoiler](where Rose is on the headboard or whatever it was Jack is in the water)[/spoiler] unbelievable, that or the expectation that they couldn't have done more to get out of said situation. (Also, re-watching a clip on youtube, I also find it hard to believe that the dozens of people dying in life vests around them wouldn't have realized Rose's superior position and then furthermore that absolutely none of them in a frenzied panic to stay alive tried to take it... ::) )
Quote from: Deloria on July 19, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Love stories have really always existed. :P The earliest surviving ones are from the first century AD. :yes: And Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet is definitely not the first, because he based the play on an Italian novella written sometime in the early to mid 16th century.
Depending on how you define "love" you can go back even earlier to the dawn of written language. After all, the Epic of Gilgamesh has the love of a woman taming Enkidu. Well, maybe not her love so much as just a lot of really shout out loud, sheet-grabbingly fantastic sex. But, call me an incurable romantic, if the sex is so good that it changes your entire world, then that's true love. Or it soon will be.
And of course the epic also has a major bromance plot between Enkidu and Gilgamesh. So, yeah, in one form or another, love stories are older than written language.
Besides, I'll take MacBeth over Romeo and Juliet any day.
Ahh Titanic... Wasn't that the movie where the giant pink octopus saved everybody from the sinking boat including the talking mice? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDwqUvI6VVs)
Speaking of Romeo and Juliet, personally I prefer the 1996 version with Danes, DiCaprio and that sexy plus replacing the "and" in the title. But then again, any movie that has Leguizamo doing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shWTnE5LGpw#t=01m41s), wins my heart immediatly. Then again, everytime I see DiCaprio, I expect him to scream "GILBEEERT!!!" And then have Captain Jack Sparrow drag him down from a flagpole.
BTW wasn't Romeo and Juliet meant to be in early or mid teens? I remember the -68 version of the play had Olivia Hussey as Juliet and she was 15 at that time. Leonard Whiting, the guy who played Romeo was 17. What's funny is that because they had a nude scene together, Hussey couldn't see the film since it was rated mature.
Actually Enterprise, it gets better as went along. The final season with the exception of the final episode was truly one of the most epic seasons of Trek for any of the shows. The way it blended history of the Original Series and some of the changes made in later shows. They gave a reasonable explanation for why there were Klingons without ridges!
I hate Star Trek XI... It screws up Star Trek too much...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who liked Enterprise, though I actually enjoyed the whole thing, not just the final season.
I thought the new movie was a decent film, and even a decent Star Trek film, however I agree: [spoiler]I did not appreciate how it screwed up everything that had happened. Since history changed, everything in TOS, TNG, Voyager and DS9 could very well not even have happened. Even some things in Enterprise could have been affected. If it had been a part of a completely different continuity with no ties to the original canon, then I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But trying to fit it in with everything else was a mistake.[/spoiler]
Please don't kill me but Napoleon Dynamite was horribly overrated and completely unfunny. I hated it. Hated it.
Feel free to kill me, but I liked Napoleon Dynamite. Heck, I've fallen in love with anything by Jared and Jerusha Hess, even when Computerman (http://www.channel101.com/shows/show.php?show_id=1) is there to try to screw it up.
Quote from: Damar on August 06, 2011, 10:28:06 PM
Please don't kill me but Napoleon Dynamite was horribly overrated and completely unfunny. I hated it. Hated it.
I DON'T CARE IF THIS IS THE PLEASE DON'T KILL ME THREAD!!! TAKE IT BACK!!!! TAKE IT BACKKKK!!!!!
haha but seriously, it is my favorite movie ever, you do not want to know how many times i have seen it, and related materials, interviews, commentaries and how much the movie affects my day to day life. but yeah, a lot of my friends don't like it, i guess it is just my kind of humor, like EXACTLY my kind of humor.
Quote from: Damar on August 06, 2011, 10:28:06 PM
Please don't kill me but Napoleon Dynamite was horribly overrated and completely unfunny. I hated it. Hated it.
Napolean Dynamite is one of those hit-or-miss movies; you either love it or hate it. I was a senior in high school when it came out so of course it was all the rage around the halls of the high school. Most of the teachers, however, couldn't understand what we students thought was so funny. As my 74 year-old social studies teacher said, "I just didn't
get it!"
Me, I thought it was hysterical. I had no preconcieved notions about it--nobody had seen it yet, so I had no idea what it was about, and I walked out of the theatre laughing to tears. :)
Agreed; it's very much a love it or hate it. I thought it was funny as well, and it's even better when you watch it with friends.
Quote from: Enchantermon on August 08, 2011, 05:44:14 PM
...it's even better when you watch it with friends.
This is sooooo true. I saw it with my three best friends, and from the first moment where it has Napoleon standing in the yard waiting for the bus, we lost it.
Even if I see Napoleon Dynamite with friends it won't stop the fact that the movie is like an icepick through my soul. An unfunny, soul-piercing icepick. The only good thing about watching it with friends is that they can stop me from trying to pierce my eardrums the moment Heder creepy, breathy voice starts. Then again, true friends would let me end my pain...
Anyways...next up. Please don't kill me but I think that Rent is one of the most overrated, pretentious, unlistenable things ever put on stage. Or film. Or on paper in general. There was not a single thing I enjoyed about that play, it hasn't aged well, and even in the context of the 90's it is unforgivably pretentious and obnoxious.
Quote from: Damar on July 07, 2011, 03:29:24 PM
Speaking of Disney: I really didn't like the Lion King. Everyone talks about how awesome it was, but I found it derivative and obnoxious. Personally, I think the last truly great film Disney did was Beauty and the Beast. Everything afterward just smacks of Disney trying to be cool for the kids. And as any kid can tell you, nothing is cooler than an adult trying to act like they're down with the...the...coolness and badness and whatever it is the kids are saying nowadays...
You don't like the Lion King? :shock: I've never met anyone who hasn't liked it. What don't you like about it? To me it's one of the 90s classics. Disney stopped being good after Mulan in 1998.
How to explain my thoughts on Lion King. First off, it's derivative of Hamlet and an outright steal of Kimba the White Lion. Some of the similarities are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GR0DconsU&feature=related
Honestly though, that didn't bother me as much. I have a hard time putting what I don't like about Lion King into words, but here's the best I can do. It's always felt like pandering. I've never been a fan of inserting colloquial speech and base jokes into atmospheric movies. You have these high concepts of a king and a usurper and a child growing to take responsibility, but it's undercut by pandering jokes (cactus butt, a warthog banished for gas, eating bugs.) All of these were played for toilet humor laughs from the kids, which I find cheap. You can always make a kid laugh at toilet humor. That doesn't mean it's funny. And it's not that I'm offended or a prude. I feel that the humor is pointless and clashes with the feel of the film. And yes, Disney has always had comic relief, but it hasn't always been so current and "wink, wink." Aladdin really seemed to start that. And Aladdin was successful because it all came from a character that was by definition anachronistic and not of the world that the main characters were. The Lion King didn't have that out.
Though really, I'd argue that even Aladdin used the anachronistic humor as a crutch at times and seemed to be less of a timeless classic because of it. To me, the great Disney movies have embraced what they are fully and don't try to add a wink to the audience just to let us know that we're watching a movie. Fully immersing in the world of the film (for both the filmmaker and the audience) is what makes a Disney film a timeless classic to me. When you break that to get some laughs it breaks the flow of the film and seems like they don't think they can hold on to the kids unless they have toilet humor for the kids and out of character meta-asides for the adults. I find it mildly insulting, actually.
Plus, on a completely different note, Simba was just a tool. And man, was he a disobedient little kid! Disobeying left and right, disrespecting that poor little toucan, and putting his friends in danger. Old school Disney would have turned him into a donkey, had a whale swallow him, then killed him for that level of shenanigans! Though really, that's not a huge deal either. It's the loss of the timeless feel and the need to pander to children and adults with out of character jokes that are completely unnecessary. That's why I feel like the last great film was Beauty and the Beast. It seems like pretty much the last film where they let the story stand on its own instead of trying to cater to everybody with stupid jokes.
(Posted on: August 16, 2011, 09:35:56 AM)
RISE THREAD! For there are more beloved things that I hate!
So reading another topic that mentioned My Little Ponies brought this to mind. Please don't kill me, but My Little Ponies: Friendship is Magic is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen. Why is this stupid cartoon such a cult hit? Like, I can see why kids might enjoy it. But full grown adults? It's so obvious, predictable, and...well...childish. If it were just a kid's cartoon, no problem. But grownups swear by this cartoon! Is it just going over my head? Do I just not get it? Seriously, what is this crap?
Seriously, don't kill me. I don't want my tombstone to read that I was mauled to death by a Bronie.
Really? I thought the whole Bronie thing was a joke.
I get Damar's My Little Pony issue. And I'll add to it this: I pity these kids today. If it's not Disney's Stitch licking boogers from his nose, it's Spongebob showing his disgusting, hairy butt for no reason, or any of Disney's current "all parents are morons to be ignored" attitude strewn throughout each and every show - cartoon or live action. The days of DuckTales, Wuzzles, Kissyfur, the Get Along Gang, Snorks, and Gummibears showing adults as wise and worthy of attention are gone. If not for Jakers!, the whole world would be without parent-supporting shows, from what I'm seeing. That also applies to sitcoms. If Everybody Loves Raymond doesn't scream, "All adults are complete idiots!!", I don't know what does.
Hmmm, see, I'm a toddler of the 80's, so My Little Pony holds a sweet, nostalgic meaning for me. Care Bears too. I still have my Pony toys, I collect the odd vintage MLP memoribilia, etc. Would I watch the stupid new version of the cartoon? Oh hell no. Do I watch the old ones just for the fun of it? Of course! :yes:
Also.......and this is a big one, so please don't bludgeon me to death while I (finally) sleep tonoght.......but I haven't even downloaded Episode 4 yet. :shock: I know, I know! I missed the release party and I've been a flaky poster lately, but...gah. Circumstances in my life have prohibited me from doing it yet! I honestly haven't had the spare time to even download it yet, much less devote enough time to start playing such an epic game. I'll be there soon, Questers! Just give my life a few weeks to settle down!
No problem. It's not going anywhere. ;)
I can't download the episode yet either. I have other things i need to be focusing on (like graduating college :P) And there's the fact that i am without my own computer right now. Yeah, kind of can't work around that right now. Don't worry Episode 4 I'll play you someday!
From what I've heard of it (mostly from younger sisters of friends), My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is great for kids. :) It reminds me of the cartoons I would watch when I was younger, where each episode ends with a moral and a sweet, friendly message of support. :) I haven't seen it myself, but I can't imagine the following it has from adults is anything more than glorified nostalgia.
Quote from: snabbott on November 21, 2011, 11:00:16 AM
No problem. [Episode 4] is not going anywhere. ;)
Quote from: writerlove on November 21, 2011, 02:26:09 PM
Don't worry Episode 4 I'll play you someday!
I love you guys! :smitten:
Quote from: Deloria on November 21, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
From what I've heard of it (mostly from younger sisters of friends), My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is great for kids. :) It reminds me of the cartoons I would watch when I was younger, where each episode ends with a moral and a sweet, friendly message of support. :) I haven't seen it myself, but I can't imagine the following it has from adults is anything more than glorified nostalgia.
You're probably right on, Deloria. Adults probably look at it and think, "Awww, My Little Pony. Remember the 80's?" and try it out. Or they have young children and say, "Awww, My Little Pony. Remember the 80's? No? Let's see if it's the same!" So begins the cult following! :yes:
(Posted on: November 21, 2011, 07:12:30 PM)
Please don't kill me, but I absolutely HATE Adele's music. Ugh. I don't understand why she's popular! The sound of her voice reminds me of a yowling cat in heat. :P
Please, don't kill me, but... I despise the Zutara pairing in the Avatar: The Last Airbender fandom. I just don't see the point!
Speaking of that, I also HATE the movie with a passion!
Well, the MOVIE is easy to hate. In fact I like you even more for hating it! :)
Fair enough. I don't despise it and I do get where it comes from, but I ain't gonna hate anyone for not being a fan of it.
Yeah, I went into the theater knowing that movie was going to be bad as soon as I heard about it from a friend of mine ("Iroh looks young!"= red flag! RED FLAG!). I will say though, I liked the music and locations in the movie. But, of course, just because they got the Northern Water Tribe city, and had lovely music, does NOT a good movie make!
I like pretty much all Disney movies, old AND new. And I've loved every Pixar movie released as of yet, yes, even Cars 2.
Also, another pairing I don't get is: Rhen and Lars from the Aveyond series, even though the canon ending has Rhen end up with Dameon. I admit, I used to not like Stella and Edward being together, but I can accept it now, after finding out that it was canon all along. I realize it actually makes sense, because one of the posters on their forum said that their relationship has a lot more development than, say, Edward and Mel, and now I can see why! And, hey, atleast, Mel ended up with somebody in the epilogue: Lars' descendant. Maybe it's to quell the fangirls who wanted RhenxLars?
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 14, 2012, 08:48:57 AM
Please don't kill me, but I absolutely HATE Adele's music. Ugh. I don't understand why she's popular! The sound of her voice reminds me of a yowling cat in heat. :P
I'm with you on that! I can't get her at all.
Please don't kill me, but... I agree with Christopher Titus: "Lady Gaga is proof that David Bowie raped Carol Burnett (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtV9KLl40wA)." Not only does she look like something out of a C-grade broadway show, but her songs are not worthy of the bargain bin at the local dollar store. I hate the fact that "Weird Al" has become a fan of hers - I don't need parodies of songs that don't want to hear in any form. What is this, MST3K making fun of bad media?
Second, Rihanna needs to disappear off the planet. If I see another one of her interviews for that stupid Battleship movie, I'm gonna scream; The same goes for walking into a store and hearing her destroy the radio even more than it already is. I didn't know the word "Umbrella" had FOURTEEN syllables! When Mel Tillis sang, he did a great job of hiding the fact that he stuttered, but Rihanna has made it into an intentional insult (since she doesn't naturally stutter). That girl is not pretty - she's bug-eyed with the voice of an over-stressed Mexican woman; I've got friends who sound a lot like her in their normal speech (though more intelligent).
Quote from: Haids1987 on November 20, 2011, 11:33:39 PMI honestly haven't had the spare time to even download it yet, much less devote enough time to start playing such an epic game.
Please don't hate me, but I hate it when people use the word "epic" and don't mean "something in verse dealing with heroes or war". :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 14, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: Haids1987 on November 20, 2011, 11:33:39 PMI honestly haven't had the spare time to even download it yet, much less devote enough time to start playing such an epic game.
Please don't hate me, but I hate it when people use the word "epic" and don't mean "something in verse dealing with heroes or war". :P
:( But I do that... albeit, rarely... but I do... (in much the way that you yourself use "totes" and "onoes", milady). :P
We started translating Homer today. ;D
(Posted on: 14 May 2012, 21:56:27)
Quote from: DawsonJ on November 20, 2011, 03:53:21 PM
I get Damar's My Little Pony issue. And I'll add to it this: I pity these kids today. If it's not Disney's Stitch licking boogers from his nose, it's Spongebob showing his disgusting, hairy butt for no reason, or any of Disney's current "all parents are morons to be ignored" attitude strewn throughout each and every show - cartoon or live action. The days of DuckTales, Wuzzles, Kissyfur, the Get Along Gang, Snorks, and Gummibears showing adults as wise and worthy of attention are gone. If not for Jakers!, the whole world would be without parent-supporting shows, from what I'm seeing. That also applies to sitcoms. If Everybody Loves Raymond doesn't scream, "All adults are complete idiots!!", I don't know what does.
I'd just like to point out: Some parents are morons to be ignored to avoid head esplosions. :P
Oh, Homer and his rosey-fingered Dawn... ::) :P I remember when I took a literature course (for fun and to round out certain electives) and it was awful and we had to read the Odyssey, so I sat down and started reading it on Perseus Tufts instead. :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 14, 2012, 02:11:13 PM
I'd just like to point out: Some parents are morons to be ignored to avoid head esplosions. :P
Related to a few posts back:
I can't stand Pixar. I've never liked any of their movies, and I have been forced to see most of them.
And I swear it's not a bias thing. I went into Meet the Robinsons thinking it was a Pixar film and fully admitting that I thought it was cute and amusing, only to find out that it was a straight-up Disney film. I've just never liked anything Pixar made. Blegh. >:(
Is liking Pixar taboo? ??? I love them!
Right, everyone does. That's why I'm saying I don't like them in this thread. XD
Aaaaar. :yes:
(Why don't we have a pirate smilie?!)
You mean this? :pirate:
:pirate: :pirate: :pirate:
Precisely. ;]
I agree with Dawson about Rihanna. Some of her music earlier in her 'career' was tolerable but not so much now. And the gangsta thing she's trying to pull now... no. I'm not a fan.
I hate Rihanna. I think I said that on the very first page of this thread, but all in all I can't stand her. And OF COURSE, I realize that I don't know her as a person blah blah blah blah, but I hate her music and I REALLY don't like her persona as a celebrity.
On a related note, I hate Nicki Minaj (sp?) also. She's just a freak. She has no identity of her own; she's a complete ripoff of Lady Perry, or Katy Gaga, whichever you prefer. And all of her stupid voices she puts on?! I'd rather listen to my brother's cringe-inducing redition of "Unbreak My Heart" on repeat for a day.
Plus
(http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/nicki-minaj-totally-looks-like-mrs-potato-head.jpg)
And people act like Ms. Minaj is so original. Please, Lil Kim has the outrageous costumes rapper girl going for her way back in the 90s. (Anyone remember the '99 Vma number where one part was completely cut out and one of her bosoms was only covered with a purple stud?)
Please don't kill me, but I think it's kind of disgusting that everyone has orange skin. XD
I read this on Pinterest: "There's a difference between being tan and looking like you rolled in a bag of Doritos." :X
There is a huge difference. I don't understand tanning. At all. Does it look attractive? Yes. But why risk possibly getting skin cancer for the sake of vanity?
Don't eat carrots.
Quote from: writerlove on May 16, 2012, 08:41:44 AM
There is a huge difference. I don't understand tanning. At all. Does it look attractive? Yes. But why risk possibly getting skin cancer for the sake of vanity?
People have done much stupider things in the name of beauty. :P Skin cream used to contain lead, arsenic and mercury. :P
Quote from: writerlove on May 16, 2012, 08:41:44 AM
But why risk possibly getting skin cancer for the sake of vanity?
I soak up the sun like the 1/16th part Native American I am, so I get tan without trying. Therefore, I never wear sunscreen (even though, yes, I know it protects from skin cancer and puts me at risk. :P)
For those of you who aren't so lucky, tanning beds seem like a better option. It's the same rays that you're getting from the sun, just manufactured. See, I've never gone tanning before, but to me it all seems relative to hanging out in the sun for a few hours without sunscreen. Same thing I do, just in a box. :yes:
I'm talking about the people who are addicted and do it so much it doesn't look natural like you were talking about in the post you saw on Pinterest. There is a huge difference with doing it naturally like you do and going to the tanning bed almost every day.
Like this chick (http://www.secondcitystyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Tanorexic_Mom.jpg)? :rofl:
Commenting on Haids' reference to "Unbreak My Heart": Please don't kill me, but :furious: ...
I've heard beautiful covers of that song (by Johnny Mathis, etc), but the Toni Braxton vocally manic-depressive original makes my skin crawl. LEARN TO HOLD A NOTE FOR PETE'S SAKE! She sounds like Rihanna without the AutoTune hiding her complete vocal failure.
Also, I can put up with the occasional Pixar movie, but I don't care for most of their movies (aside from Up and Wall-E, which I bought). By the way, Wall-E gives emotions to the robots, but Machinarium (http://machinarium.net/demo/) sucks at it. If I'd been able to buy a hard copy instead of a digital copy, I could sell the dumb thing. :stabs:
Quote from: DawsonJ on May 17, 2012, 01:13:38 AM
I've heard beautiful covers of that song (by Johnny Mathis, etc), but the Toni Braxton vocally manic-depressive original makes my skin crawl. LEARN TO HOLD A NOTE FOR PETE'S SAKE! She sounds like Rihanna without the AutoTune hiding her complete vocal failure.
Haha! :D Not just that, but she's so breathy and melodramatic, it's ridiculous. ::)
But I unfortunately like that song--90's nostalgia!
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 17, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Quote from: DawsonJ on May 17, 2012, 01:13:38 AM
I've heard beautiful covers of that song (by Johnny Mathis, etc), but the Toni Braxton vocally manic-depressive original makes my skin crawl. LEARN TO HOLD A NOTE FOR PETE'S SAKE! She sounds like Rihanna without the AutoTune hiding her complete vocal failure.
Haha! :D Not just that, but she's so breathy and melodramatic, it's ridiculous. ::)
But I unfortunately like that song--90's nostalgia!
I am so glad I was into Country music during the 1990s (when it was still worth a listen). I got to avoid a lot of the crap out there, although some pop songs made their way into my life. I remember riding the bus to school and listening to the radio, so I caught "Most Beautiful Girl In The World" (Prince), "You Are Not Alone" (Michael Jackson), and a couple of songs from Real McCoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pav2f4b-1ZE&ob=av2e). My general knowledge of 1990s music is much weaker than that of Country from that time.
Quote from: DawsonJ on May 18, 2012, 12:57:33 PM
My general knowledge of 1990s music is much weaker than that of Country from that time.
I'm a total 90's kid, so I ate, breathed, drank, and sweated 90's music--Alanis Morissette, Dave Matthews Band, of course the Backstreet Boys, etc. They're all anthems from childhood to me!
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 19, 2012, 03:07:37 PM
Quote from: DawsonJ on May 18, 2012, 12:57:33 PM
My general knowledge of 1990s music is much weaker than that of Country from that time.
I'm a total 90's kid, so I ate, breathed, drank, and sweated 90's music--Alanis Morissette, Dave Matthews Band, of course the Backstreet Boys, etc. They're all anthems from childhood to me!
Back when I was 17, my girlfriend got me into BSB's music. In fact, because of them, Andrea Bocelli, Kyu Sakamoto, Sandy Lima *staring off into dreamland... ahem!* (with her brother as, Sandy & Junior (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu1SqE4T7CY&feature=BFa&list=PL864578F6DA8DDCCA)) and some others, I started translating music (for personal study) from different languages to English. I may not be the best educated, but I find I use what knowledge I have to communicate and read quite a bit outside of English. Props to BSB for "Donde Quieras Yo Iré" ("Anywhere For You") (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gZSjelPFWA&feature=relmfu), "Non Puoi Lasciarmi Così" ("Quit Playin' Games (With My Heart)") (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHipAnCpU4Y), and "Nunca Te Haré Llorar" ("I'll Never Break Your Heart") (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kddtftjcziA&feature=relmfu)! :highfive:
Speaking of Country music and alternate versions... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKr-285I2fY) Enjoy! I found this about a week ago and just got the chance to buy the studio version from eMusic. (Hate me if you must. I understand.) :P
Please don't kill me, but I hate public transportation. I know it's good for the environment and all, but I have two major problems with it:
1) It takes a lot longer to get anywhere.
2) There are other people on it. :P
*started riding in a vanpool today*
The one good thing is that I am gaining some free time... doing some testing of Cognition Episode 1. :D
I don't like it much either. I didn't use the bus system in college unless I absolutely had to. It took a hour to get to our mall when it would take 15-20 by car because it went practically every back road in town. It was okay from time to time but it wasn't my first choice :P
Quote from: snabbott on May 21, 2012, 09:22:34 AM
Please don't kill me, but I hate public transportation.
Sweetie, nobody will kill you. We all hate it. :yes:
For reasons such as this (http://2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/23/61/53439d0d3a77fc288838440bfbeade8d.jpg), actually.
A friend of mine hates it so much she wrote a musical (https://www.facebook.com/tthemusical) about it. :)
Quote from: snabbott on May 21, 2012, 09:22:34 AM
Please don't kill me, but I hate public transportation. I know it's good for the environment and all, ...
The bus I got off of on Sunday... had two other people on it besides me... (So, then it was just the driver escorting this couple direct to Limerick... it was weird...)
Feel free to hate me, but I don't like Chris Wedge and Genndy Tartakovsky
Hate me if you feel you have to, but I liked the ending to Mass Effect 3.
I will now be torn apart by the internet for your pleasure.
Just like in Shaun of the Dead!
http://youtu.be/vAVMfBLXVoo
(blood, guts...obviously)
Yes, exactly! XD That's such a good metaphor for the hordes of the internet.
What? That they are braindead shuffling hordes who can be wholly ignored if one just shuffles along like them? :P ...oh... wait... that IS incredibly accurate. ... carry on.
Quote from: KatieHal on May 21, 2012, 11:22:11 AM
A friend of mine hates it so much she wrote a musical (https://www.facebook.com/tthemusical) about it. :)
Hahahahahahahaha! :rofl:
Quote from: darthkiwi on May 21, 2012, 05:26:39 PM
I will now be torn apart by the internet for your pleasure.
Not you!!! :(
Please don't kill m, but... I still like Veggietales even to this day!
Veggie Tales are awesome. They were a little after my time, but I still like them. :yes:
Me, too! And with a 3-year-old and a 5-month-old, it's a good thing I do! :P
Please don't kill me, but... I really don't want another Space Quest game. I played the remake of 1, as well as 4, 5 and some of 6, and they were punishing, included too many annoying minigames, and the humour was just not very funny even though it's billed as a comedy game. I enjoyed some of 4 because the premise was interesting, but it wasn't used as extensively as I'd have liked and the plot was disjointed, clliché and dumped onto you in long, inelegant chunks. I enjoyed 5 because it was a Star Trek parody and I like Star Trek, but everything that *wasn't* Star Trek wasn't very enjoyable... so I should have just played a Star Trek game. And Deloria and I played 6 together for around 2 hours, and were frustrated by the lack of any real goal (beyond "explore and, yeah, solve puzzles or something") and by the lack of any narrative movement. Without making any real progress, having just wandered around and pointlessly combined items with objects for no discernible reason, we just quit in irritation.
So I just don't see why another game should be made. To me, they are *bad games*!
Quote from: darthkiwi on June 01, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
Please don't kill me, but... I really don't want another Space Quest game. I played the remake of 1, as well as 4, 5 and some of 6, and they were punishing, included too many annoying minigames, and the humour was just not very funny even though it's billed as a comedy game. I enjoyed some of 4 because the premise was interesting, but it wasn't used as extensively as I'd have liked and the plot was disjointed, clliché and dumped onto you in long, inelegant chunks. I enjoyed 5 because it was a Star Trek parody and I like Star Trek, but everything that *wasn't* Star Trek wasn't very enjoyable... so I should have just played a Star Trek game. And Deloria and I played 6 together for around 2 hours, and were frustrated by the lack of any real goal (beyond "explore and, yeah, solve puzzles or something") and by the lack of any narrative movement. Without making any real progress, having just wandered around and pointlessly combined items with objects for no discernible reason, we just quit in irritation.
So I just don't see why another game should be made. To me, they are *bad games*!
OMG!
I thought I was the only one!
I like the humor, though, but.... okay, it's an adventure game, right? So why in Space Quest 1 was I stuck because I have bad luck at slots? GOOD adventure games should NEVER be unwinnable because of LUCK. I never played any of the rest of the series after that, I was infuriated.
*has this really long, well-thought-out reply on his office computer that he clearly didn't post*
Basically, Space Quest is the premier Sierra series that tried to do some genre-stretching and bring in elements of platforming and other kinds of games as minigames. Sometimes, that worked for me; sometimes, it didn't. It was hit and miss like that. But, the take home message of this realization is that if you like that sort of thing, you'll like Space Quest: if you don't like that sort of thing, you'll just be really frustrated at some point in each game.
EDIT:
This is what I had in the office:
Quote from: darthkiwi on June 01, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
And Deloria and I played 6 together for around 2 hours, and were frustrated by the lack of any real goal (beyond "explore and, yeah, solve puzzles or something") and by the lack of any narrative movement. Without making any real progress, having just wandered around and pointlessly combined items with objects for no discernible reason, we just quit in irritation.
This is the problem with SQ6. Plot does happen but to me it always felt really tacked on--which is hard to deliver narratively... a plot which is tacked on.
Quote from: darthkiwi on June 01, 2012, 06:34:57 AM
I enjoyed 5 because it was a Star Trek parody and I like Star Trek, but everything that *wasn't* Star Trek wasn't very enjoyable... so I should have just played a Star Trek game.
All of 5 is a Star Trek parody except IIRC a bit near the end and the bit that's Predator/Terminator. :P
Basically, Space Quest is the Sierra series that blends mini-games with adventure game story. They were always trying to do some genre-stretching. I would go as far as to say: if you don't want other flavor mixed with your adventure gaming, don't play Space Quest (because it will be just as you've described--very frustrating).
The real motivation for a new Space Quest game is to tie together the plots of 4, 5, and 6 so that the story comes full circle.
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Though I think the only new point is that last one about tying together the plots of the last 3. :yes:
See, I kind of get that, but... well, let me see if I can remember the minigame/genre experimentation that I've seen in the SQ games.
I don't remember much from SQ1, apart from the slot machines which are, as cray pointed out, kind of annoying. (Although I do like the fact that you can save, play the slots, and then restore if you lose; it's like the ultimate acceptance of the fact that part of a Sierra game is playing with the save/restore features, in that they actually become part of the game. Which is kind of weird but I found it bizarrely amusing.)
I never played 2 or 3 so can't comment there.
With 4, I just remember the impossible burger-making game. While I found it kind of fun in a "Well at least this is different to puzzles" way, it was almost impossible to get to the goal, so you were forced to skip it. So, from that perspective, the best thing about it... was that it could be skipped. :S
Then soon after that minigame was a sequence where you had to float into the anti-gravity sports area and float around to foil the sequel police. The idea was good but the execution was just horrific: the controls were impossible to get right, it was unclear what you had to do, and if you faltered for a moment - or if you moved in a straight line for more than half a second - or if you did everything perfectly but the computer decided that it was going to make you fail anyway - then you died.
I didn't like that minigame much.
In 5 - well, 5 was a lot better for this kind of thing. The whole game was a kind of hybrid between an adventure game and a space trader game ala the Smugglers series. Overall I enjoyed 5 - but mostly because it *didn't* have any arbitrary minigames. Instead, the whole game model was a mix between two engaging game-types. But, as I said, a lot of that came from the fact it was a Star Trek parody, so a lot of those elements should be traced back to Star Trek rather than SQ.
And with 6... eh... I didn't get far enough. It was just an incredibly dull game, even without the minigames.
So my experience of the SQ genre experimentation is - SQ5 was generally a success, as a piece of game design/genre fusion even if it wasn't very creative from a setting/plot perspective. But what I liked about it was the fact that it melded two genres together, rather than taking the adventure genre and sticking frustrasting minigames on top of it. It's notable that the one minigame I wasn't really annoyed by in these games was the Battleships clone in SQ5, because that minigame was actually an arcade game in the fictional setting that you play against the proud/hubristic/so-full-of-himself-I'm-surprised-he-can-eat antagonist. So that fitted in with the way I played it: I *was* playing a minigame, but it was a point of honour, not a shoehorned bit of faux entertainment (like the SQ4 ones).
When you look at it like that... well, another Sierra series that performed genre melding was the QfG series. And that series did it well, I think. There was the occasional minigame but, while some of them were rather unfair, they were all derived from the fact that you're role-playing a particular character. And that comes across not just in the fact there are minigames, but in the fact that there are three characters/paths through the game, there's a flexible money system (the RPG "earn money > spend it on stuff > kill monsters > earn more money" system rather than the "exchange one silver coin for one fish" KQ system), and there's a combat system and a sneak system. I think the QfG games do a great job of blending two genres and experimenting with what people thought was possible in these already-semi-established genres.
Or you could take MoE. Roberta Williams said the combat system was partly inspired by Diablo; having played Diablo I can say there are lots of differences, but I think MoE does manage to blend the satisfaction of killing monsters, which is the core of Diablo, with the lore/plot/story of a KQ or QfG game, which is somewhat lacking in the Diablo games (since killing monsters is so satisfying that after a while you kind of don't care why you're doing it). MoE has a lot of problems, but for what it's worth I like it as a game and as an experiment. The Daventry level is particularly well crafted, I feel.
So compared to those two examples, I just don't feel SQ measures up. It experiments, but with no real understanding of how the player experiences the game. It often feels like the game designers put things in because they realised they *could*, without thinking about how the player would respond. (This is a complaint I have regarding Sierra games generally, but it's particularly marked here.) Whereas the QfG games and MoE have a consistent vision of what their game architecture looks like and extrapolate from that, it felt like the SQ games were either winging it or deriving the minigames and puzzles from the humour - and, as I've said, I just don't think it's very good humour.
IIRC, I liked making the burgers, but it was the Ms. Astro Chicken sidescroller minigame that I hated in 4 because I couldn't do it. :P You'll hate what you can't do. :P I never really thought of the anti-grav rink part of the game as a minigame so much as a puzzle and I always interpreted the insane controls for the confusion experienced by a floating space janitor. :P
I actually don't recall a minigame in 2. In 3, you can play the first in that sidescroller-action minigame's series from 4 (in 3 it was Astro Chicken).
Also, if you played the remake of 1... ... ...why didn't you just get the magnet and avoid the slots entirely? XD
I really should play QfG at some point... I keep hearing great things about it...
Oh, yes, Astro Chicken was just bizarre. I didn't understand that at all.
And I'd understand the crazy controls for the antigrav stuff in 4 if it weren't horribly punishing. I had to fiddle with the speed slider and click crazily all over the place just to avoid getting shot, so it was effectively a puzzle but with a really, really punishing time mechanic. And there was no way to tell how to avoid their gunshots. If there were indicators of where they were going to shoot or something you could avoid them, but it's just pointlessly punishing.
And I really don't remember the magnet in the remake. It's been a while since I played it. I just remember being rather frustrated by most of it, but then it was an old Sierra game, so that's par for the course.
If you want to play QfG I advise you either play the AGD remake of 2 (which is a really, really good job and just a brilliantly put together game) or QfG4. I played them in that order (so didn't carry a character over) and had a great time. I think some light walkthrough use is probably required - it's not always obvious what to do next - but the overall experience is a really compelling combination of RPG and adventure.
You only say that because you haven't played QfG1 or GfG3, both of which are also very good. I'd recommend starting with the first one and working your way through, but the fifth one isn't really worth playing. It's very pretty, but it's mostly a fan-game more than anything else.
You're right, I have just listed the two games (except 5) that I've played and ignored the ones I haven't. XD I really must play through them all in sequence one day.
Now, now, QfG5 is worth playing. Is it as good as the others in the series? Not at all. It's a lot more heavy-handed with RPG elements, and there's a lot of "we're really going out of our way to tie up loose ends" fan service in there (which I think we can agree isn't necessarily a bad thing, depending how its done!) -- but, the plot is good (not as solid as QfG2 or QfG4 which I think are truly spectacularly inspired stories -- but still, a really good story), the puzzles are engaging and fun, and even the dagger-throwing mini-game is fun at the easier difficulty levels.
Worth playing -- just not the best in the series by any means.
I've played through all of the SQ games (by means of walkthroughs, because I suck :-\). The problem I had through most of the series was the How was I supposed to know even notice that?! feeling. *Which reminds me... how does Amanita Games get any buyers with Java games that rely heavily on game designer mind reading? ::)* But, I really liked the second half of Space Quest 6. The beginning is dark, boring, and pretty well sucks (even with a walkthrough), but the rest was humorous and fun. That being said, the game still had certain things you were supposed to instinctively know to do without even a single clue.
As far as SQ4's concerned... between the sticky movements, the CPU's desire to kill you, and the fact that the original game crashed like crazy, I came to hate trying to play through that game. I tried and gave up, tried again and gave up... finally, I finished the game! It just sucked getting through it.
I'm considering picking up the Quest for Glory series from GOG someday. I just really have to be in the mood for it; right now, I just want to play TSL and KoS and take a break from adventure games for quite a while. I remember playing one of the QfG games for a couple of hours and actually enjoying it many years ago.
Back to the original post: I'm feeling you on the SQ remakes. I can't believe so many people really love that series. I haven't even touched the remakes yet. They're just sitting in a "digital pile" of adventure games I've acquired (legally) that are quite a distance down my To Play list.
Please don't kill me, but I harbor a secret love for "You Don't Know You're Beautiful" by One Direction. ;] The little twelve year-old inside who cried from joy at the Backstreet Boys concert comes out when she hears that song!
(Hey! Post 7200! Go Haids! :pleased:)
Please don't kill me, but I think the opening to Game of Thrones is the best thing about it. XD There are steampunk flying buttresses! :D
Quote from: Haids1987 on June 07, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
Please don't kill me, but I harbor a secret love for "You Don't Know You're Beautiful" by One Direction. ;] The little twelve year-old inside who cried from joy at the Backstreet Boys concert comes out when she hears that song!
(Hey! Post 7200! Go Haids! :pleased:)
Hey I'm not going to hate on you. I still have all my boyband music in my iTunes and don't care one bit. I tried listening to some of their songs but it's not my cup of tea. Prefer my 90s boybands (Team NSYNC all the way!)
Please don't kill me, but... I actually don't really mind characters like:
Jar Jar Binks
Navi
Short Round
and, of course, Cedric. Especially Cedric, seeing as if I DID, I probably wouldn't be writing my KQ5 story in the first place and would have left it alone.
Oh, and I really like Indiana Jones 4, Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events' movie, the Johnny Depp Charlie and The Chocolate Factory (which seemed to follow the first book pretty well for the most part), and the Alice in Wonderland movie.
Didn't like The Spiderwick Chronicles movie, though, seeing as they took out so much from the books achanged quite a few things (Byron the Griffin is NOT Arthur's pet, he's Simon's who rescued him. He doesn't require some stupid "magic words" to summon him, he's how they get to the junkyard in the first place! And, they took out most of the fairies mentioned in the books, save for Sprites, Ogres, Goblins, Brownies, and Griffins. And they changed the ending slightly)- including not even so much as a MENTION of book 4: The Ironwood Tree, which did have some important plot points that were ignored.
Please don't kill me, but I don't get what the big deal is with Will and Kate. :S Or Diana. I'd have been into Victoria and Albert, but that's because I still think England was magical in the 19th century. :P
Huh, I would not have expected that one from you, Deloria!
Also, I like Navi. She's kinda annoying, but mostly it's funny. "Hey! Listen!" Plus, she IS helpful!
And Short Round's just fine! He's a classic at this point!
I know, he's adorable! :D
Please don't kill me, but I don't really think Johnny Depp is a particularly talented actor.
Don't get me wrong -- he's great.... y'know. As long as he's playing someone crazy, where he's permitted to make wild choices and be totally over-the-top.
But I have not ever seen him play someone who I thought was a real person and not a charicature (the closest to a believable person was Jack Sparrow, but let's face it.... even then, he's really more a charicature than a character!) An actor should be able to portray a person -- I mean, that's the whole idea of what we do.
And yet, Johnny Depp can only be crazy.
(To be fair to him, though, it's not like I've seen every single thing he's done.)
Also, don't kill me, but I get furiously jealous when I see people who are famous for things that I think I'm better at. :P
Quote from: KatieHal on June 07, 2012, 03:12:22 PM
Huh, I would not have expected that one from you, Deloria!
I mean, yes, it's a modern fairytale and they clearly love each other very much or else they wouldn't have been together for so long, but I don't feel the need to live vicariously through them or follow their every move or even to watch the royal wedding because I find marriage silly. I find displays of nationalism or fealty glorious and touching, and that's what I would be into if a royal couple could evoke it, but they don't seem capable of it or the kind of people who would do it if they were capable. :P
Oh, and I don't see why people are so enchanted with the royal couple, either.
Quote from: Deloria on June 08, 2012, 03:49:49 AM
Quote from: KatieHal on June 07, 2012, 03:12:22 PM
Huh, I would not have expected that one from you, Deloria!
I find marriage silly. I find displays of nationalism or fealty glorious and touching
Interesting... I'm quite the opposite. Marriage is very important to me (which is good since I'm married <3), but I find displays of nationalism silly. I don't get the concept of being loyal to something just because it's where you happen to live (e.g. countries, sports teams). Don't get me wrong - I'm glad to be an American, and I appreciate the sacrifices people have made for our freedoms, but I think I could be happy in any number of other places, too. Also, it's not like I can claim any credit for the way the country is. (Yes, there's voting, but my individual contribution is negligible.)
Re: Johnny Depp - I haven't ever seen him play a normal person, either. He does "crazy" really well, though. It may not be great acting, but he's quite entertaining.
(note: I accidentally edited cray's post with that last bit, in case anyone was wondering why it's listed as last edited by me. :P)
Interesting. Myself, I find marriage important and nationalism as well, but both can get overdone I suppose. I'm not married, or engaged, though I hope to be both of those things at some point, and having seen friends of mine who I know love each other so much get married, I find it very touching and I like the idea of celebrating that with friends and family.
Nationalism in the US can very easily get overdone and irritating, I think. I feel like a lot of people abuse the notion of nationalism, use it as an excuse or even a misguided reason to do something, or throw it at other people for a reason why that person is WRONG. When really, they just want to get self-righteous about being disagreed with, which is childish.
The president's speech in Independence Day, however, gets me every time.
Quote from: writerlove on June 07, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
(Team NSYNC all the way!)
Ohhhh, you're one of
those. I don't think we can be friends anymore, Kristen! :no:
;)
Actually, I don't think nationalism is done well anymore either. :P But as an abstract concept or when reading nationalistic sources from the 19th and early 20th centuries, particularly when everyone is united against a common enemy, I find it the most glorious thing in the world.
I think the only reason I might*want to* marry someone would be if I were to get things that would otherwise be more difficult, like citizenship to a different country. :P I've been to several weddings and have usually left feeling somewhat disgusted. :P
I'm never getting married because I would be an awful husband. Add to that the fact that my own ranting later embarrasses me on occasion, as it is. :sweating: (I'm glad that the Internet allows me to be anonymous.)
I'm with Deloria on the feelings of an observer at a wedding. I've only been to three weddings in my lifetime (of those, one was my choice) because I don't find them to be a desirable experience. The worst are the extremely expensive weddings that are all about the bride (Bridezillas, anyone?), AND usually force the couple to start their married life in debt. How stupid is that! Thousands of dollars of debt just to get married? :whip: (With a 50% marriage failure rate in the U.S.... really? ::)) What in the world are they thinking?
*Justice of the Peace*
That is all.
None of this is to say that I don't want commitment though. :P I just really hate weddings, particularly when the beliefs of the bride and groom aren't necessarily my own and I wind up feeling very uncomfortable and out of place. :P I like the idea of having a 1860s-style relationship and of being a mistress rather than a wife. :P Some kind of commitment ceremony might be fun though.
Marriage does seem silly, especially when you spend money that could go towards a big chunk of your future house on a single day.
That said, some kind of public announcement/commitment is a good thing. :yes: <3 <3 <3
Marriage itself isn't important to me, though if I do, and I might for tax and legal reasons, I'd rather just elope. Probably in Vegas... during the Adobe conference... (God, I'm a dork)
I'm with Cray. Never been a huge Johnny Depp fan. He seems one dimensional, which is the the crazy and offbeat stuff. He seems happy doing those types of roles and that's fine. Still, it's not my cup of tea.
I'm not one of those girls who plans every single detail of her wedding. I do want to marry one day but I'll figure all that stuff when the time comes. I don't want anything obnoxiously big, though.
Hailey, they are my personal preference. I like Backstreet too but they don't do what NSYNC does. Better singers (Have you heard them a cappella? I got an arsenal of videos to back up this claim). Better dancers and I just love their friendship with each other. They genuinely loved what they did. And that's the readers digest of why I love them. (Okay, ending the 12 year old teenybopper now :P)
Please don't kill me for going all political here, I really can not help myself when the issue of marriage comes up. It's a problem.
Not to completely disagree with you guys, but I think you're getting confused between a "marriage" and a "wedding".
The wedding can be huge an expensive and extravagant and silly. (Doesn't have to be, but it often is.) But it's also pretty frequently a drive-through in Vegas, or a couple people signing a paper in front of a friend or two at a courthouse. The wedding is basically whatever you and whoever you're marrying decide you want it to be.
The marriage legally connects you and your partner, giving both of you 1,138 Federal right and provisions. And a lot of those are kind of a big deal -- and I don't just mean financially.
I won't list them all. Here's a Wikipedia article that lists a lot of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States
I'm not American. :P My boyfriend is not American. I have no intention of ever living in the US. Therefore, the rights that you get in the US frankly don't matter to me. XD At all. XD
Weddings make me uncomfortable. Marriage seems trivial and more of a formality that I have no interest in participating in. :P
It's great that if you're married you get these benefits, but it seems more like a way of telling the government that you're a couple than anything else. Whether you're married or not shouldn't affect your relationship; to me it seems like a formality which has certain civil benefits. The most important things about a relationship are, to me, that you like the person and want to be with them, which is irrelevant to marriage.
Awww! That's so sweet, I'm glad someone understands that.
Well, it makes sense that the government needs SOME way to officially recognize married couples, given the various rights and so forth that are involved.
I will say that the religious ceremony weddings I've been to have always felt lacking to me. Those have specifically all been Catholic Church weddings, in my case. The priests' homilies have been just awful, every time. Seriously. One talked about how the couple should get marriage counseling to avoid divorce. At their wedding! Another told a horrendous story about a man who was going to be executed at the evening bell for treason, so his wife tied herself to the inside of the bell so it wouldn't ring. His superior decided, okay, no one dies tonight. Um, that still means this guy is guilty of treason, and is going to die, and now his wife is bloodied and beaten from this bell to boot! This is not a story for a wedding! They all just so clearly didn't know the couple at all, or, apparently, what might be appropriate for a wedding.
On the other hand, a number of my friends have taken to having a close friend perform the ceremony (by applying for a license to marry a specific couple on a specific day), and those have been lovely. The officiant knows the couple, knows their story, the ceremony is designed by the couple as well as the vows, and it's wonderful because it's so personal to that couple and the people there know that.
Honestly, whenever I get married, that's what I'd like to do. It just feels far more meaningful a ceremony that way.
Quote from: Deloria on June 09, 2012, 10:29:45 AM
I'm not American. :P My boyfriend is not American. I have no intention of ever living in the US. Therefore, the rights that you get in the US frankly don't matter to me. XD At all. XD
Weddings make me uncomfortable. Marriage seems trivial and more of a formality that I have no interest in participating in. :P
While, yes, I was specifically referring to US laws the fact is that governments worldwide use marriage as an official way to recognize a couple, the formation of a household or kinship (through means other than blood) and, as far as I know, all governments grant special privileges to married couples.
Might want to look into what those are in your country before you call it trivial.
Please don't kill me, but I think Pride and Prejudice is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice_and_Zombies) overhyped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_%26_Prejudice_%282005_film%29) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice_%281995_TV_series%29) has (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_and_Prejudice) been (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_%26_Prejudice:_A_Latter-Day_Comedy) overdone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_Because) to (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_Austen) death (http://www.youtube.com/user/LizzieBennet).
Please don't kill me, but... I happen to like The Inheritance Cycle. A lot! :) To me, it's a good fantasy romp, and, although it might be rife with tropes (yes, I'm a Troper and proud!) and/or cliches I really don't care and love it anyway!
I also don't really like Infamous Adventures' version of KQ3. *winces* Sorry Blackthorne, sorry MusicallyInspired. That's probably my fault, because I saw/played the AGDI remake first and when I saw IA' take on it... it wasn't as impressive.
The graphics aren't very detailed, the voice acting is terrible (ESPECIALLY Manannan! He's supposed to sound threatening and sinister, yet he sounds flat here.) and it doesn't seem to really add anything all that new. Atleast AGD added the whole subplot of The Father (which interests me a bunch! Thrice now I curse...) and put in a bunch of in-jokes, foreshadowing and funny puns. I didn't see anything in IA' version.
Again, I'm so sorry Blackthorne and MusicallyInspired. *hangs her head in shame* You probably hate me now...
On the plus side, you've gotten better over the years, especially with Space Quest 2 and that was pretty darn good! :thumbsup:
Also, I don't see what the hype about Justin Beiber is. He's not all that great of a singer, yet girls flock to him like the ice cream man in summer. Maybe it's because, even when I was a kid, I was never all that much into boy singers and boy bands (NSYNC, Aaron Carter) and didn't buy more than one or two of their cds.
Then again, maybe he's gotten better now. According to a music critic in the Houston chronicle, he has.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on July 07, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
Please don't kill me, but... I happen to like The Inheritance Cycle. A lot! :) To me, it's a good fantasy romp, and, although it might be rife with tropes (yes, I'm a Troper and proud!) and/or cliches I really don't care and love it anyway!
I'm with you on this.
QuoteThe graphics aren't very detailed, the voice acting is terrible (ESPECIALLY Manannan! He's supposed to sound threatening and sinister, yet he sounds flat here.) and it doesn't seem to really add anything all that new. Atleast AGD added the whole subplot of The Father (which interests me a bunch! Thrice now I curse...) and put in a bunch of in-jokes, foreshadowing and funny puns. I didn't see anything in IA' version.
Please don't kill me, but I much preferred IA's
remake over AGDI's
reinterpretation. (And let's not get confused -- I love the AGDI games but they did not remake KQ2 or KQ3, they reinterpreted them.)
I love the storyline of the Father, but KQ3 is the first King's Quest that had a solid, complex-enough storyline. It didn't need to have more story thrust into it, and when they did it felt.... really really extraneous.
Besides, the curse in KQ2+ is set up (purposefully!) so that they didn't need to bring the Father into the other games in the series. There's forum posts from the AGDI team on their own forums explicitly saying as much. So then they went ahead and put the Father in another game in the series where he's totally unnecessary?
[spoiler]And the whole thing with the Item -- just from a writing/storytelling point of view -- first of all, there's like no explanation of what it is or how it got there. Which is fine because the main character in that game has no freaking idea what it is or why it's important or anything at all about it, so why would he care? But they made it SUCH an important thing that having someone who doesn't care as much as the player find it was a
ridiculously bad choice in storytelling. Because now we can't ever get those answers and it's kind of a vital piece of the story.
Then there's the whole.... introducing a story arc to tie the whole series together.... and then basically resolving it in the next episode of the series. Like, the Father is after Graham and his family so he can get the Crown so he can get the Item. Got it, makes sense, totally can drive the curse and the rest of the story arc.
Then in the next episode, we find the Item, we break the Item, and then the Father finds the pieces and seems to know what they are? Oh good. So he's done, he's basically succeeded and I find myself wondering about all of the foreshadowing that had happened in KQ2+. Like, when the Father says the next time they meet Graham will seek him out? Well, I think that'd be silly for the Father to talk about since he won't still need the Crown by then....[/spoiler]
So what I'm getting at is, AGDI should have made a sequel and not remade KQ3 to continue their story. They set it up that way in KQ2+ and they did their whole story a disservice by NOT going that route in the end.
Now, IA stayed with the traditional KQ3 except in places where the story is a little uncertain or doesn't make much sense. The only "new" things, really, are fixes or things like Mordack -- who Roberta had no doubt not imagined. Now, the graphics and the voice acting.... I love the graphics, myself, but I agree some of the voice acting is flat. That said, the story is perfection. :thumbsup:
QuoteAlso, I don't see what the hype about Justin Beiber is. He's not all that great of a singer, yet girls flock to him like the ice cream man in summer. Maybe it's because, even when I was a kid, I was never all that much into boy singers and boy bands (NSYNC, Aaron Carter) and didn't buy more than one or two of their cds.
Justin Bieber is utterly talentless, unintelligent, and unattractive. How he's famous I cannot fathom. But the same is true of Kristen Stewart, as far as I'm concerned.
(And please don't kill me for that either!)
And Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian.
QuotePlease don't kill me, but I much preferred IA's remake over AGDI's reinterpretation. (And let's not get confused -- I love the AGDI games but they did not remake KQ2 or KQ3, they reinterpreted them.)
I love the storyline of the Father, but KQ3 is the first King's Quest that had a solid, complex-enough storyline. It didn't need to have more story thrust into it, and when they did it felt.... really really extraneous.
Besides, the curse in KQ2+ is set up (purposefully!) so that they didn't need to bring the Father into the other games in the series. There's forum posts from the AGDI team on their own forums explicitly saying as much. So then they went ahead and put the Father in another game in the series where he's totally unnecessary?
Spoiler (mouse over to reveal):
So what I'm getting at is, AGDI should have made a sequel and not remade KQ3 to continue their story. They set it up that way in KQ2+ and they did their whole story a disservice by NOT going that route in the end.
Now, IA stayed with the traditional KQ3 except in places where the story is a little uncertain or doesn't make much sense. The only "new" things, really, are fixes or things like Mordack -- who Roberta had no doubt not imagined. Now, the graphics and the voice acting.... I love the graphics, myself, but I agree some of the voice acting is flat. That said, the story is perfection.
To each his own, I guess. *shrug*
I liked KQ 2 AGDI, but not everyone did. And that's fine.
I agree with the four stars mentioned, especially Kim Kardashian. I have NO FLIPPIN idea why they are famous. I don't know much about Hilton, Kim K, Kristen Stewart (Darn it she has the same name I do) and Bieber. but I'm not interested. Bieber I think I've just outgrown the market for that type of thing. It's for tweens mostly. And I remind myself 13 years ago it would have been Justin Timberlake. (Never was a Timberlake fan. More of a JC girl myself. Anyway)
Beiber has YouTube and Canada to blame, Kristen Stewart is because of even being connected to Twilight, and Paris Hilton is the daughter of the woman who owns the Hilton Hotel chain (though she is worth seeing in Repo just for the scene where her face falls off :rofl:). Kim I think was in a sex tape.
Quote from: LadyTerra on July 08, 2012, 09:07:53 PM
Beiber has YouTube and Canada to blame, Kristen Stewart is because of even being connected to Twilight, and Paris Hilton is the daughter of the woman who owns the Hilton Hotel chain (though she is worth seeing in Repo just for the scene where her face falls off :rofl:). Kim I think was in a sex tape.
But how did Kristen Stewart even get cast in Twilight to begin with?! I don't understaaaaand!!
I've had auditions that I know I did better than her
performance in Twilight and didn't get the part. How did she?!?!
Now, blaming YouTube for Justin Bieber has one flaw: there are MANY talented people on YouTube. More talented than Justin Bieber. And Usher has not signed any of them. For this, I demand an explanation!And I'm sure there's a lot of talented people in Canada -- Toronto is full of actors, I bet there's talented musicians there too!
Now, I do understand (even if I don't like) Paris and Kim. Firstly -- reality TV. They do drama very well, they make perfect reality TV stars. Both of them are also geniuses at manipulating the media and at knowing the businesses they can poke their fingers into and excel... (with the exception of that time Paris tried to be a singer....)
Am I a fan? Not even a little.
Do I get it? Yes.
Do I want them off of my TV? Yes.
Do I respect them? Unfortunately... as someone who would probably kill people to have even a fraction of their fame (I'm an actor, what can I say? :P)... yeah, I absolutely do. I want to learn their ways!
(PS Both Kim and Paris "launched" their celebrity careers with sex tapes... with other famous people, I believe. And they both have famous families -- Kim's father represented OJ Simpson during his trial.)
Just my two cents on the AGDI/IA versions of KQ3:
Of the two, I prefer the AGDI version. I really liked their KQ2 reimagining, because the original lacked a complex story, the additional puzzles were welcome, and the whole Father thing tying the other games together was, I thought, pretty neat. I grew up on the KQ games, and would inevitably make up stories or conpiracies connecting Hagatha, Manannan, Lolotte, Mordack and Alhazred together under the Black Cloaks (even though the early games don't really support this) - so seeing this done retroactively was incredibly satisfying for me. So the fact they continued this in KQ3+ came as no surprise to me, and was welcome since it'd be weird if they did it for 2 and not for 3.
I also really liked the expanded story for KQ3+, particularly the extra details regarding Alexander's predecessors. Finding the hair and leftover notes of the previous boys was chilling, and really brought home the situation he was in. The occassional extra room was welcome, too.
Compared to this, the IA version was, as has been pointed out, a straight remake. And there's nothing wrong with that in the slightest: bringing an old game into the age of VGA is a worthy goal in and of itself. But, put simply, this was a game that I had already played. The graphics and music were an awful lot better (it was a great relief to walk around Manannan's house without it being garish pink and blocky) but it was still the same house, with the same story.
Gameplay-wise I also prefer the AGDI version. My favourite part of the game has always been the spells: there's a sense of wonder and danger to mixing them, and you have to follow the recipe exactly. One of my formative gaming experiences was peering into the manual, typing out the next line of recipe, going to the next line, with every spell finished neatly off with a wave of the magic wand. The IA version streamlined this so much that this was completely lost. The AGDI version, on the other hand, updated the system to a point and click laboratory, which I think kept the feel of the spell-making. The clock system was also rather cleverly done in the AGDI version: I'm afraid I can't remember how IA did it, but AGDI made Manannan's timing both unpredictable (the length of time he stays away is random) and foreseeable by the player (the clock changes colour to indicate how much time is left until his next visit). This vastly improved upon KQ3's original mechanics, where Manannan is always away for exactly 25 minutes, allowing you to gather enough ingredients to make the required spell. (Deloria tells me she was even able to make ALL the spells in that time - except the teleportation one, I guess - a feat I never achieved.) In the original, you really didn't need to watch the clock too much, since you'd only need to make one visit down the mountain to get the required spell ingredients. In AGDI's remake, though, the puzzles are constructed in such a way that you can only get all the spell ingredients you need to destroy Manannan by making up almost all the other spells first. This completely changes the dynamic of the game: whereas before, you just nipped down the mountain once, got the ingredients, popped into the laboratory one time and made the spell the kill Manannan - and once he was dead you were free to make spells as much as you liked - now you have to sneak up and down the mountain several times, there are several opportunities for you to cut it incredibly fine, and you have to sneak into and out of the lab again and again, making sure you cover your tracks each time. The overall effect is that, while the original could feel like an ingredient-fetching race that could be won in one fell swoop, the remake feels much more like what I think the original was meant to be: a battle of wits against the wizard, a sort of stealth game in plain sight where you have to use his own resources against him while he pops in and out of the picture, completely oblivious. By the time you finally feed him his fatal meal, it feels less like the result of one afternoon of defiance, and more like the climax of a long and deadly game of cat and mouse.
Having said that, there are some places where the remake falls down - mostly with regard to the Father. My problem is that, while the KQ2 remake tied together a lot of the early games with the curse - which gave the whole series a bit more unity - the Father's actions in this one just confuse things. The story ends with the Item falling into his hands, albeit in a crushed state. My problem is that, while KQ2+ retroactively unified the series and answered the question "Why do all these things happen to the royal family?", KQ3+ retroactively complicated the series, and prompted the question: "So what on earth happens with the father? Why don't we hear about him later in the series?" This wouldn't be such a problem, except that AGDI seem to be finished with the KQ series, which means that the last we will see of the Father will be the closing moments of KQ3+ - which open up rather than close down the questions we have about this plotline.
Also, it should be borne in mind that for IA this was their first game, and to turn out a work of such quality, with excellent backgrounds and art, and which was a really solid remake of the original, is no mean feat for a group of dedicated fans. Comparatively, AGDI had already remade KQ1, KQ2 and QfG2 by this point, and had a great deal more experience. Basically, I think that both teams did a sterling job and should be applauded for the hard work they put in, and the fact that both turned out such quality work.
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Having said that, there are some places where the remake falls down - mostly with regard to the Father. My problem is that, while the KQ2 remake tied together a lot of the early games with the curse - which gave the whole series a bit more unity - the Father's actions in this one just confuse things. The story ends with the Item falling into his hands, albeit in a crushed state. My problem is that, while KQ2+ retroactively unified the series and answered the question "Why do all these things happen to the royal family?", KQ3+ retroactively complicated the series, and prompted the question: "So what on earth happens with the father? Why don't we hear about him later in the series?" This wouldn't be such a problem, except that AGDI seem to be finished with the KQ series, which means that the last we will see of the Father will be the closing moments of KQ3+ - which open up rather than close down the questions we have about this plotline.
Kinda surprised there aren't many fan theories abound about the KQ3+ ending.
A theory I have for him is: when he finds The Item, naturally, he's ticked off and makes sure Graham pays dearly for what he's done. Knowing his curse is still in effect, he hides himself away to formulate another plan for the Ascension and contacts his fellow Black Cloaks...
Whether he knows or not though, his curse has already been beaten. Alexander and Rosella are safe, Graham survived his heart attack, and a certain young man has been made the heir to the throne...
The thing is, since I didn't find The Item during the game itself, I had NO idea what that ending was about. It didn't make any sense to me, and likewise the fact I couldn't do anything with the Father when you run into him in the forest made me feel like I was missing something. But I had NO idea where I'd missed something, as there's no real hints about The Item and where to find it during the game itself. So, yeah, I'd agree that the Father storyline could've been a *little* bit stronger there. It didn't need to be a huge part of the game, but a little more of it showing up would've helped.
Overall, I agree with your assessments of the two games. Good write-up!
Wait... i thought getting The Item was required to win the game?
Maybe I'm (we're?) confusing The Item with...
[spoiler]The Hand/statue of a Hand thing? Isn't that what he ends up with at the end? You have to move extra piles of treasure aside in the treasure chest on the island to get it?[/spoiler]
Quote from: KatieHal on July 11, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Maybe I'm (we're?) confusing The Item with...
[spoiler]The Hand/statue of a Hand thing? Isn't that what he ends up with at the end? You have to move extra piles of treasure aside in the treasure chest on the island to get it?[/spoiler]
No, that IS the Item and you don't need it to win, you just need the Green Orb.
But, that's exactly what I was saying storytelling wise darthkiwi.
Now, I had sort of forgotten the things about the predecessors in the AGDI version -- in fact, I had been thinking they were in the IA remake but, no they're not. That's apparently how turned off I was by the way the Father's storyline was handled in the AGDI remake, I took the brilliant additions to original KQ3 story and attributed them to a different game entirely.... oops! :P
Quote from: darthkiwi on July 11, 2012, 02:58:07 PM
(it was a great relief to walk around Manannan's house without it being garish pink and blocky) but it was still the same house, with the same story.
Manannan without Manannan's pink and fluffy bedroom is NOT Manannan. Think about what that room says about him!! Seriously, think for a second. Yeah, I don't know where I'm going with this either (I'm on a bus to Galway after getting off a transatlantic flight)--but!--I do feel that Manannan's room being so out of character for Manannan is important to Manannan in ways we don't really think about. (Maybe he's all killy-killy about things because he feels misunderstood...
(http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/59087-king-s-quest-iii-to-heir-is-human-apple-ii-screenshot-manannan.gif)
... I mean... can you understand what he was going for here? Or why an evil murderous wizard has a pink and frilly four-poster canopy bed? I rest my case.
Most boring tapestry ever. ::) If anyone ever goes to the expense and effort of getting a tapestry, at least make sure it depicts a pre-Raphaelite painting. :P
My assumption was always that the furniture had belonged to the witch who was now Manannan's cat and that he'd never gotten around to changing it....
Naw, anyone who's a ninny at chess must have a pink fluffy bedroom. It's a requirement.
That's why my room is pink and fluffy! :yes: ;D
Quote from: Haids1987 on July 12, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Naw, anyone who's a ninny at chess must have a pink fluffy bedroom. It's a requirement.
That was Mordack! No pink frills in HIS bedroom!
Quote from: crayauchtin on July 12, 2012, 10:22:52 AM
My assumption was always that the furniture had belonged to the witch who was now Manannan's cat and that he'd never gotten around to changing it....
I don't remember the cat being a witch - is this something from the Companion? ???
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Naw, anyone who's a ninny at chess must have a pink fluffy bedroom. It's a requirement.
That was Mordack!
Rookie mistake. :wall:
I still have a pink and fluffy bedroom, however, because I still
am a ninny at chess. :scholar:
Final Fantasy VIII? Yeah, I didn't like it so much. >.<
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Quote from: crayauchtin on July 12, 2012, 10:22:52 AM
My assumption was always that the furniture had belonged to the witch who was now Manannan's cat and that he'd never gotten around to changing it....
I don't remember the cat being a witch - is this something from the Companion? ???
Yeah, but even before reading the Companion I kind of inferred that it had used-to-been a non-cat.
Quote from: Pacman928 on July 13, 2012, 09:38:53 AM
Final Fantasy VIII? Yeah, I didn't like it so much. >.<
I think that's normal. I liked it a lot, but I'm in the minority.
FFIX, on the other hand, I really didn't like at all, and that's gotten me almost kicked out of houses. XD
I really don't get Final Fantasy in general. Like, any of them.
Please don't kill me, but I think that Monty Python is overrated and stupid. I just don't
get it. I watched at least three of them with one of my friends (including the Holy Grail one) and all of them I found boring and lame. The ONE THING I found hilarious was Mr. Creosote (projectile vomit amuses me for whatever reason).
I mean, yeah, the one-liners can be pretty funny, but as an overall package I just don't like it.
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Quote from: snabbott on July 12, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.
??? Monty Python?
Yep. I hated that movie :P
As did I. ;D
Get thee to the "Please Don't Kill Me" thread!! :o
Thanks for the advice, Delling. ;)
I can't even.
I just.
There's not even words for my disappointment in you right now.
Quote from: Haids1987 on July 16, 2012, 08:49:48 AM
The ONE THING I found hilarious was Mr. Creosote (projectile vomit amuses me for whatever reason).
I mean, yeah, the one-liners can be pretty funny, but as an overall package I just don't like it.
Wait... you like projectile vomit... but Monty Python bores you!? That I don't get.
Also, I think it's entirely possible to watch Monty Python for the one-liners. :yes:
Quote from: crayauchtin on July 16, 2012, 10:00:11 AM
I can't even.
I just.
There's not even words for my disappointment in you right now.
Is it weird that I read that in Hassan's voice from the Hassan and Graham show?
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Quote from: crayauchtin on July 16, 2012, 10:00:11 AM
I can't even.
I just.
There's not even words for my disappointment in you right now.
Is it weird that I read that in Hassan's voice from the Hassan and Graham show?
If anything, you should read it in Graham's voice. :P
Hahaha! In either voice, it's hilarious.
Also hey, new H&G radio hour this Saturday, yaaay!
Thank goodness -- a wild subject change appears!
Quote from: crayauchtin on July 16, 2012, 10:00:11 AM
I can't even.
I just.
There's not even words for my disappointment in you right now.
Ah, well, sometimes creepy-quiet is more frightening than words. :P
At least you're not going to kill me, since we're in the thread. :yes:
Quote from: crayauchtin on July 17, 2012, 11:10:15 AM
Thank goodness -- a wild subject change appears!
Use awkward silence! It's super effective!
Quote from: LadyTerra on July 17, 2012, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: crayauchtin on July 17, 2012, 11:10:15 AM
Thank goodness -- a wild subject change appears!
Use awkward silence! It's super effective!
How does that work in an online forum? :P
Quote from: snabbott on July 18, 2012, 07:21:04 AM
Quote from: LadyTerra on July 17, 2012, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: crayauchtin on July 17, 2012, 11:10:15 AM
Thank goodness -- a wild subject change appears!
Use awkward silence! It's super effective!
How does that work in an online forum? :P
Not super effectively. :P
Especially since I can be a brat and keep bringing it up again...:devil:
Please don't kill me.... but I'm not a fan of the Beatles or Michael Jackson's music. I've noticed some people act like you are deaf if you don't like their music. I realize they are a super influential within the music industry in their own ways but it's just not my cup of tea. I don't hate it by any means but it's not my first choice.
Same for me.
I didn't grow up with the Beatles (my parents aren't really big fans), so I didn't have an appreciation for them until recently. And when I say recently, I mean like, within the past two years, and this is only because my dear sister bought the Beatles Rock Band. Until then I really didn't care one way or another. Now I like them, but they don't Own The Music Industry in my world. They're classics, but they're not my lifetime favorites or anything.
Michael Jackson? Meh. I could take it or leave it. I did grow up with his music, but it didn't stamp my life like I know it has for others. There are a few of his songs that I like, there are more that I don't.
I think that with legends like that you're expected to adore them because seemingly everyone else does. It's not a mortal sin to not enjoy it, that's just your style. :yes:
I enjoy the Beatles and Michael Jackson -- I certainly appreciate and understand everything they contributed to music and their innovations. I would never argue that they weren't tremendously talented.
But I don't consider myself a fan by any means. I'll listen to their music, I'll enjoy it while I do.... but I don't own any. I'm not planning to buy any.
There's a big difference between recognizing talent and being a fan. If you don't recognize Michael Jackson or the Beatles as having had talent... then I question your hearing (or at least your knowledge of music history :P), but I don't think it's a requirement of life to *like* their music. Not everyone liked them at the height of their careers, why would everyone like them now?
I'm not the biggest fan of the Beatles' early music but I really like their later stuff. Michael Jackson, though, I totally agree with. I don't like his voice, I don't like his music. A lot of it just sounds the same to me. And of course, Michael Jackson as a person just bothered me. And actually, no I don't believe he was a pedophile. What bothered me was him being so out of touch with reality and having no desire whatsoever to show insight into the fact that he was living out a destructive life and wasting money on frivolous things to the point of going into debt. Usually I can separate out the person from the music, but the fact that I didn't like MJs music to begin with makes it tough for me to do so. Anyway, can't stand his music. And I hate his music videos that insist on trying to have 30 minutes of plot around a four minute song and dance routine. If I wanted to see a movie I'd...you know...go see a movie.
Also, please don't kill me, but I hate Dave Matthews Band. And I'm unapologetic about it. I remember being in high school and everyone was like, "Ooooh Dave Matthews Band this," and "Ooooh Dave Matthews Band that." And one day I heard this crappy song on the radio with a sound that was whiter than Sarah Palin's Alaskan household and realized this was Dave Matthews Band. And all I could think was, "This was what all that hype was about? Everyone must be deaf but me."
Quote from: Damar on July 20, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
What bothered me was him being so out of touch with reality and having no desire whatsoever to show insight into the fact that he was living out a destructive life and wasting money on frivolous things to the point of going into debt.
...said the psychologist. ;D
Quote from: Haids1987 on July 21, 2012, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: Damar on July 20, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
What bothered me was him being so out of touch with reality and having no desire whatsoever to show insight into the fact that he was living out a destructive life and wasting money on frivolous things to the point of going into debt.
...said the psychologist. ;D
Yeah. That's probably why it bothers me especially. I deal with enough lack of insight every day. I don't need it in my entertainment too.
Quote from: Damar on July 27, 2012, 07:29:11 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on July 21, 2012, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: Damar on July 20, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
What bothered me was him being so out of touch with reality and having no desire whatsoever to show insight into the fact that he was living out a destructive life and wasting money on frivolous things to the point of going into debt.
...said the psychologist. ;D
Yeah. That's probably why it bothers me especially. I deal with enough lack of insight every day. I don't need it in my entertainment too.
Maybe overexposure to the world addles the brains of everyone involved. I guess I'll be retiring in a hut on Tatooine or some other barren desert planet.
Quote from: LadyTerra on July 27, 2012, 07:40:52 PM
Quote from: Damar on July 27, 2012, 07:29:11 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on July 21, 2012, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: Damar on July 20, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
What bothered me was him being so out of touch with reality and having no desire whatsoever to show insight into the fact that he was living out a destructive life and wasting money on frivolous things to the point of going into debt.
...said the psychologist. ;D
Yeah. That's probably why it bothers me especially. I deal with enough lack of insight every day. I don't need it in my entertainment too.
Maybe overexposure to the world addles the brains of everyone involved. I guess I'll be retiring in a hut on Tatooine or some other barren desert planet.
Why not Endor? You'd just have to share it with the Ewoks.
Speaking of ewoks, I've always wondered why everyone hated them so much. Jar Jar, I suppose I get, being a foolish comic relief (although I don't hate him either), but what does everyone have against those cute little flurry creatures?
Jar Jar sucks. I hate him.
The Ewoks? I don't get the haters either. They're adorable! And useful--to quote Marshall from How I Met Your Mother: "The rebellion would have ultimately failed without them!"
Am i the only one who likes both Pixar AND Dreamworks?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on August 18, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
Am i the only one who likes both Pixar AND Dreamworks?
Nope. I do too. Equal opportunity animation!
Yes! Ooh, Aardman too!