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Title: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: gem_sky on February 19, 2012, 02:44:38 PM
 :angel:  I'm not trying to break the rule about asking about release dates, but I was wondering if a 2012 release date is confirmed, or might we have to wait for 2013?  I'm not sure I can wait that long.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: drusain on February 19, 2012, 03:18:41 PM
I can only speculate, but it's been said that TSL Ep.5 would be released before Cognition and Cognition will be a summer release. I've had it in my mind that Ep. 5 will be released around mid-April but I have no clue.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: KatieHal on February 19, 2012, 03:56:11 PM
I can tell you Episode 5 isn't coming before Cognition--I'm not sure where or when that might've been said, but it's definitely not the case. Sorry!

We are planning to have Episode 5 in 2012, but beyond that hope, there's nothing definite to announce.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: PapaSmurf on February 19, 2012, 04:03:15 PM
   I don't know about you guys, but I'd love to see Episode 5 become available very soon as much as you or anyone else.  I've been waiting for some years (since its original announcement around 1997, or so) for this game to even be developed, and I'm delighted it is being done so, but I am (trying to be) patient.
   There is another game, on another internet site (Kings Quest-Kingdom of Sorrow) that I've been waiting for for a few years, as well, and I'm trying to be patient for that one as well.
   As the old saying goes, the BEST things come to those who wait (patiently). :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: drusain on February 19, 2012, 07:00:05 PM
Oops! Sorry for the mistake.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: waltzdancing on February 19, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
Episode 5 will be released this year but when, who knows. While you wait, find out what led up to TSL with the four winds :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: snabbott on February 20, 2012, 08:08:45 AM
:angel:  I'm not trying to break the rule about asking about release dates, but I was wondering if a 2012 release date is confirmed, or might we have to wait for 2013?  I'm not sure I can wait that long.
There's no rule against asking. You just have to realize that you are likely to get a response of :suffer:. :P
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: m.ward on February 25, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
if so then when would it be out in australia? :-[
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: wilco64256 on February 25, 2012, 04:01:09 PM
if so then when would it be out in australia? :-[

The same time it's out everywhere else.  We don't do staggered releases.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: snabbott on February 26, 2012, 07:02:03 PM
We don't do staggered releases.
Good! 'Cuz that's just silliness!
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: PoweroftheFans81 on February 27, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
I know I'm prob in the minority here, but as huge and epic as Episode 5 will most likely be, the "grand finale" of the much beloved King's Quest series, If I had to wait till 2013, it would be well worth it!

I consider TSL just as much a conclusion to KQ as Incinerations is to SQ :D
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Fender178 on March 01, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
Well here is some logical sense. Well since Ep4 took a while to release from the time of EP3. So we can say that since Ep5 is going to be the ending that us fans have been waiting for since the end of KQ7 that it will take a much longer period of time to be released. If I read in the newsletter thing form POS they said that they are doing Ep5 from scratch and stuff from scratch takes a while.  It will be a good while until this thing gets released.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: wilco64256 on March 01, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
Well here is some logical sense. Well since Ep4 took a while to release from the time of EP3. So we can say that since Ep5 is going to be the ending that us fans have been waiting for since the end of KQ7 that it will take a much longer period of time to be released. If I read in the newsletter thing form POS they said that they are doing Ep5 from scratch and stuff from scratch takes a while.  It will be a good while until this thing gets released.

Yes that's accurate.  With all the previous episodes we had a lot of existing scenes and stuff already put together and ready to work with.  Episode 5 is 100% new scenes that we have to assemble in a different engine and everything, so it is taking longer but it's coming along steadily.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Hbech on March 09, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
As much as I can't wait for it to come out, I find myself not wanting it to end!!! Like Harry Potter all over again!!! Take as along as you need.....once it comes out, never will there be another silver lining episode to look forward to! As long as it doesn't leave questions unanswered of course.....unlike another book series I know that ended with more questions than answers...*cough*Inheritance*cough*
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: mgiuca on April 17, 2012, 07:15:33 AM
Have Telltale announced any kind of schedule for their King's Quest? I don't think they have, but there's a chance they'd have their first episode out some time in 2012. It would be "cleaner" if TSL 5 were out before Telltale's.

I'm secretly hoping that Telltale will canonise TSL (even in some small way, by referring to some plot point). But it would be easier for that to work if TSL was done with by the time their game is out. Still, I understand that TSL is being done for free, while Cognition is actually supposed to bring in the money, so I guess that's a priority.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: wilco64256 on April 17, 2012, 09:13:54 AM
As far as we know Telltale hasn't announced anything about what they're going to do with King's Quest yet.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: gem_sky on June 28, 2012, 09:09:34 PM
Fingers crossed for a summer release of Episode 5!   :D
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: KatieHal on June 28, 2012, 09:31:05 PM
Sorry to have to tell you, but it won't be out this summer. As I said somewhere earlier in this thread, we'll be releasing Cognition first, and are hoping to have Ep 5 later this year. :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: PapaSmurf on June 29, 2012, 06:47:59 PM
I'm STILL waiting, patiently, for Episode 5.  I've got other things to do in the mean time, instead of just playing games (adventure games, please, PLEASE!!).
I remember, back in the day, one company wanted to redevelop their flagship business-oriented program, almost from the ground up.  They "completed" that program, and put it on the market (without adequate testing!!) and BOOM; the program nearly went out.  The company's many customers reported bugs, by the truckload!!  That company wound up spending about 1 1/2 years reassembling the program (after picking up all the pieces!!), cleaning up as  many of the bugs as they could (during their first beta-test), and updating it, still cleaning it up as they went along!!  Before I forget, that program was probably under 25 megabytes in size!!  (dBase 4, I believe).
  All in all, take your time, and make an awesome game!!  I think everyone is supporting Phoenix Online Studios, to do a fantastic job!!.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: writerlove on July 06, 2012, 05:48:04 PM
We thank you all for your patience and I can assure you the staff is working SO hard on the episode to make sure it will be the best for y'all. I've seen some cool stuff with it and can't wait to show you all. And I will stop there before Andi comes after me :P
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 06, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Ugh, the suspense is KILLING me! :(
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: waltzdancing on July 08, 2012, 11:41:57 PM
We thank you all for your patience and I can assure you the staff is working SO hard on the episode to make sure it will be the best for y'all. I've seen some cool stuff with it and can't wait to show you all. And I will stop there before Andi comes after me :P

Kristen, you should use the suffer icon there. We are working as hard as we can to make this the best episode. We have had a few learning curves thrown at us that have slowed us down, but we have risen to the occasion and have become a stronger team because of it.

Episode 5 won't be released this summer. I wish it was because I want to share it with all of you so badly. I hope that the Four Winds are entertaining you while we work behind the scenes building the game. The writers and artists are very proud and hope you enjoy reading them. We have many more surprises along the way and a contest I hope you all like too. Details coming.  ;)

Please hang in there. I have never let you down and I don't plan to now. :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: gem_sky on September 25, 2012, 06:44:09 PM
Is it still looking like a 2012 release for Episode 5?  Or are you leaning towards 2013?
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: waltzdancing on September 25, 2012, 06:48:47 PM
It is looking more like 2013, but that is because I want to make sure I give you guys the best product I can deliver. Hopefully we'll have some stuff to show you. :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: gem_sky on September 25, 2012, 07:01:13 PM
That's cool; I know the quality will be delivered so I don't mind waiting.  Thanks for being open and answering my question.  I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: waltzdancing on September 26, 2012, 04:22:09 PM
Any time! :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: mgiuca on October 30, 2012, 05:15:35 AM
Whee, just finished Silver Lining Episode 4 (finally). I'm looking forward to Cognition, but I really hope you guys don't forget about TSL. It would be sad to leave it dangling. Here's hoping for 2013!
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: waltzdancing on October 30, 2012, 01:49:56 PM
There will be an episode 5. I am making sure of that but the idea of 2012 isn't as plausable as it once was because we have run into some problems we weren't expecting. :)
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Boogeyman on October 30, 2012, 08:13:09 PM
The hurricane isn't one of them, I hope.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: drusain on October 30, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
It blew the script away :(
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: snabbott on October 31, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
There will be an episode 5. I am making sure of that but the idea of 2012 isn't as plausable as it once was because we have run into some problems we weren't expecting. :)
On the positive side, some of the tools being developed for Cognition can be used for Ep5, too! :D
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: cherubim on November 06, 2012, 12:29:00 AM
I'm making my own point and click adventure game in unity3D so I understand how it could take a long time to develop.

By the way, who does the voice for Erica Reed and Graham?
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: KatieHal on November 06, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
Erica Reed is voiced by Raleigh Holmes, and Graham is voiced by Jason Victor.

Good luck with your game!
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 24, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
Ohh Jason Victor... he does a perfect job. To such an extent that I wonder if he voiced Graham before (I never EVER check credits >_<)

Also good luck Cherubim, you cannot do worse then me in making my own point and click...
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 24, 2012, 07:41:57 PM
No, he's been voiced only otherwise by Josh Mandel. Now, don't get me wrong, I like Mandel's voice for Graham (especially in the AGDI remakes), but... I think Jason Michael Victor is better. He's softspoken and has a fatherly tone to his voice, which is exactly how Graham should sound like in my opinion, not to mention that he actually puts emotion in his voice.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 24, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
Whoa, sort of odd when I think about it. Jason Victor is just so perfect for the role it just somehow fit inside my head that it was always that way.

It isn't to me that Graham is soft spoken so much that he is kind, good hearted, and polite. When he is angry you get a bigger sense that he is driven and devoted more then spiteful. A perfect tone for what should be a the kind king Graham really is and one who has many a time spared his most vicious enemies. Making it all the better.

Mind you that is because I am comparing Graham to Alexander (KQ6 Alexander... the one in this game is soo weird next to that one) who takes Soft Spoken to the next level. Sounding barely able to raise his voice above a whisper.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 24, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
We can probably thank Manannan for that. Softspoken is how a slave should speak after all. When I was talking about Graham being softspoken I was mainly referencing this from the KQ Omnipedia:

"His voice quiet and measured when he spoke, such was the aura of vitality and inner strength he projected, however he overshadows all others in his company. The authority he commands over his knights is absolute, but is not the authority of force and coercion. Rather, it is an authority derived from the absolute belief and trust he inspires in his people.[53] Graham accorded all who spoke before him the same weighty respect, knights and common folk alike. His face was thoughtful and he considered what they had to say.[54]"

Although, according to my crazy brain, I can't decide what Graham sounds like when I write my KQ5 fanfiction as it's switching between Josh Mandel's and Jason Michael Victor's voice for our favorite king, depending on the scene. Which as you can imagine, is annoying.
 
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 24, 2012, 08:18:57 PM
It is why it is always jarring when I hear Alexander speak in the Silver Lining.

I justify it by saying he is just in a very stressful situation where he has to emote... but it is just so weird to hear him actually yell. KQ6 Alexander didn't even sound like he could yell.

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I guess what you can do GrahamRocks is instead just try to get into the character of Graham. Then just have his voice be a projection of that.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: cherubim on November 25, 2012, 04:14:03 PM
I don't even remember what the original Graham sounds like except KQ5's Graham and only talking to Cedric, but I think Jason Victor has the perfect Graham voice.

Neonivek, yah although I made a really poor ASCII graphics resident evil like game before, its safe to say I'm starting from scratch. Until I get the hang of things, my game is simplified to a single room. A lot of adventure game elements are in it and a bit of Resident Evil action, except instead of requiring skill to shoot zombies, you just click with gun cursor, you still have to dodge and reserve bullets though.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Sir Perceval of Daventry on November 30, 2012, 12:33:56 PM
No, he's been voiced only otherwise by Josh Mandel. Now, don't get me wrong, I like Mandel's voice for Graham (especially in the AGDI remakes), but... I think Jason Michael Victor is better. He's softspoken and has a fatherly tone to his voice, which is exactly how Graham should sound like in my opinion, not to mention that he actually puts emotion in his voice.

Fun fact: Josh Mandel actually started out his career, long before Sierra, doing voice acting. He wanted there to be more emotion in Graham's voice in KQ5, but Roberta staunchly disagreed, saying in essence Graham is always "buff", always in control.

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{Playing) King Graham was the most bizarre. I'd had a lot of theater training, such as at Carnegie-Mellon and the American Conservatory Theater, and a lot of onstage experience. But when doing King Graham, he was envisioned as very two-dimensional, so I was directed: "Graham is never tired, never frightened, never defeated. He is ALWAYS buff." So while I had lines and situations that strongly suggested various moods and emotions, I was always reined in: "Be buff, be strong, be confident, no matter what." That was odd. But hey, I got to work with Cedric, and how many people can say that?
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 30, 2012, 01:03:13 PM
I REALLY REALLY do not picture Graham as buff... I am even including the first game where Graham was actually kinda awsome.

But it is sort of where my and Roberta's oppinions kinda clash.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Sir Perceval of Daventry on November 30, 2012, 03:10:42 PM
It's sort of the old fashioned "hero with a stiff upper lip" trope...Which fits into the fairy tale nature of it.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 30, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
It's sort of the old fashioned "hero with a stiff upper lip" trope...Which fits into the fairy tale nature of it.

Besides with all the crazyness that is in Kings Quest... having a lot of reactions would quickly devolve in "Whats that? What the heck? WHATS GOING ON!"
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: cherubim on November 30, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
I never pictured Graham as buff either, particularly cause nearly every single enemy is stronger than him, including humans. It is like click Ogre, you die, click thief, you die, click spider, you die :rofl:
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 30, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
"Never tired, never frightened, never deafeated. He's supposed to be BUFF!"

...And if he doesn't feel like that at times, then he's a flat character. Believable characters DO need to rest and take a breather, they react to something frightening like how they should (depending on their personality they run away, they grab their gear and fight back, or they try to outwit the creature), and while they are supposed to be strong... one man can only take so much before he snaps and breaks from pressure and stress.

Even Lork!Cedric has more believability than the original!Graham if THAT is Roberta's stance on him. At least Lork!Cedric I'm TRYING to give a little character development to him, and trying to make him a better character.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: cherubim on November 30, 2012, 07:07:33 PM
Yeah, the thing about King's Quest, is that its more of the fairy tales and the fantasy awesomeness than character development. I feel the characters stay the same throughout the entire game and even the series. I don't think any of the characters changed at all, by that I mean they would make the same decisions at the start of the game and the end of the game.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 30, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
Which isn't a bad thing. Sometimes the thing that makes a story are characters who sort of pass the test of time where their virtues and strength of character solve their problems and they don't need to change for good or ill. If they are stronger it is only in willpower or in their inner strength being pushed to the forefront.

People often put too much value on dynamic characters and forget that many of the greatest characters of all fiction have been static.

Graham is a rock but he isn't "buff".
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 30, 2012, 07:23:41 PM
Okay okay, you're right.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: wilco64256 on November 30, 2012, 07:32:13 PM
I think in general video games have come a long way since then too. There wasn't much in the way of character development in the majority of games, that's something that has come to be more and more important in gaming as time has gone on.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on November 30, 2012, 08:00:49 PM
I am not beating you down GrahamRocks I actually agree with you somewhat too.

It is all up to interpetation on what is needed at the moment.

Is this a game about a character through the strength and virtue he or she already possesses struggles through and comes out on top? A rock against a torrent of trouble.

Or is this about a character who is but a leaf in the current changed for better or ill from the tides of troubles? Either needing to remember their inner self, becoming greater then they ever were before, or sacrificing their morals for the greater good. Is it a struggle to remain the same or is this a journey of transformation?

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I think in general video games have come a long way since then too. There wasn't much in the way of character development in the majority of games, that's something that has come to be more and more important in gaming as time has gone on.

True character development has always been something tricky in videogames and just fiction in general. In fact you could even see the Monkey Island Trilogy (I am ignoring the 4th) as a sort of progression of Guybrush turning into a true hero rather then the fake hero he always been.

but you are right they have gone a very long way. Point and Click adventures have ALWAYS have a very rocky history with not knowing whether they are games that are trying to tell a story or a game that is trying to present a series of challenges without ever really comming up with a balance.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 30, 2012, 08:42:49 PM
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I am not beating you down GrahamRocks I actually agree with you somewhat too.

*cocks head* When did I seem offended? I was admitting that you were right.
Title: Re: Episode 5: 2012 for sure?
Post by: Neonivek on December 01, 2012, 12:57:31 PM
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I am not beating you down GrahamRocks I actually agree with you somewhat too.

*cocks head* When did I seem offended? I was admitting that you were right.

It was when you said "Okay okay" which I interpreted as "Okay sheesh I get it, blah blah blah blah blah you jerk!"