I don't know how to feel when it comes this death message from KQ2+
"You tup with the spirits, and find only the graves." I looked up what 'tup' means, and I feel kinda sick.
Quote from: Deloria on May 07, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
I don't know how to feel when it comes this death message from KQ2+
"You tup with the spirits, and find only the graves." I looked up what 'tup' means, and I feel kinda sick.
Huh. When do you get that?
This. 4:02-4:36
Then again, since according to the dictionaries I checked, "tup" means "to copulate" (or a part of a hammer) which just another way of saying "sexual intercourse", "f***" or (what I usually use) "screw", which can also be used to say things like, "Are you f***ing with me?" or "Quit screwin' around and get to work!".; what The Narrator might just be saying is, "You screw around with ghosts, and you'll become one yourself!"
I'd say it was just the last one. The narrator was warning Graham not to start something with the ghosts.
-Thinking I have way too much music in my iTunes. I can never keep track of it all. I don't know why I try.
Yeah, I'm thinking I'll go with that for the sake of my sanity. Also, KQ2+' Death by Brambles is probably one of the darkest deaths Graham has had to endure. I can just imagine that scene that The Narrator described! *shudder*
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 07, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
I don't know how to feel when it comes this death message from KQ2+
"You tup with the spirits, and find only the graves." I looked up what 'tup' means, and I feel kinda sick.
Huh. When do you get that?
This. 4:02-4:36
Then again, since according to the dictionaries I checked, "tup" means "to copulate" (or a part of a hammer) which just another way of saying "sexual intercourse", "f***" or (what I usually use) "screw", which can also be used to say things like, "Are you f***ing with me?" or "Quit screwin' around and get to work!".; what The Narrator might just be saying is, "You screw around with ghosts, and you'll become one yourself!"
Okay: "To tup" is a transitive verb, meaning you cannot say "tup with" in any context, ever. Because they don't know how to use it, it is possible that AGDI 1 and 2 were one day reading Othello, came across it, and made a note to use it without realising what it actually meant. This being the case, they would be naive enough to miss all of the other dirty jokes in Shakespeare (which is going to be nearly everything that happens). ::)
Quote from: Deloria on May 08, 2013, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 07, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
I don't know how to feel when it comes this death message from KQ2+
"You tup with the spirits, and find only the graves." I looked up what 'tup' means, and I feel kinda sick.
Huh. When do you get that?
This. 4:02-4:36
Then again, since according to the dictionaries I checked, "tup" means "to copulate" (or a part of a hammer) which just another way of saying "sexual intercourse", "f***" or (what I usually use) "screw", which can also be used to say things like, "Are you f***ing with me?" or "Quit screwin' around and get to work!".; what The Narrator might just be saying is, "You screw around with ghosts, and you'll become one yourself!"
Okay: "To tup" is a transitive verb, meaning you cannot say "tup with" in any context, ever. Because they don't know how to use it, it is possible that AGDI 1 and 2 were one day reading Othello, came across it, and made a note to use it without realising what it actually meant. This being the case, they would be naive enough to miss all of the other dirty jokes in Shakespeare (which is going to be nearly everything that happens). ::)
Okaaaay... so how should that have been phrased then?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 08, 2013, 08:12:10 AM
Quote from: Deloria on May 08, 2013, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 07, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
I don't know how to feel when it comes this death message from KQ2+
"You tup with the spirits, and find only the graves." I looked up what 'tup' means, and I feel kinda sick.
Huh. When do you get that?
This. 4:02-4:36
Then again, since according to the dictionaries I checked, "tup" means "to copulate" (or a part of a hammer) which just another way of saying "sexual intercourse", "f***" or (what I usually use) "screw", which can also be used to say things like, "Are you f***ing with me?" or "Quit screwin' around and get to work!".; what The Narrator might just be saying is, "You screw around with ghosts, and you'll become one yourself!"
Okay: "To tup" is a transitive verb, meaning you cannot say "tup with" in any context, ever. Because they don't know how to use it, it is possible that AGDI 1 and 2 were one day reading Othello, came across it, and made a note to use it without realising what it actually meant. This being the case, they would be naive enough to miss all of the other dirty jokes in Shakespeare (which is going to be nearly everything that happens). ::)
Okaaaay... so how should that have been phrased then?
"When you tup spirits". :P Otherwise it's instrumental. :P And that's weird because then it's like saying that you pleasured yourself with the other person's body parts. :P And spirits don't have body parts. :P
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 08, 2013, 08:12:10 AM
Quote from: Deloria on May 08, 2013, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 07, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
I don't know how to feel when it comes this death message from KQ2+
"You tup with the spirits, and find only the graves." I looked up what 'tup' means, and I feel kinda sick.
Huh. When do you get that?
This. 4:02-4:36
Then again, since according to the dictionaries I checked, "tup" means "to copulate" (or a part of a hammer) which just another way of saying "sexual intercourse", "f***" or (what I usually use) "screw", which can also be used to say things like, "Are you f***ing with me?" or "Quit screwin' around and get to work!".; what The Narrator might just be saying is, "You screw around with ghosts, and you'll become one yourself!"
Okay: "To tup" is a transitive verb, meaning you cannot say "tup with" in any context, ever. Because they don't know how to use it, it is possible that AGDI 1 and 2 were one day reading Othello, came across it, and made a note to use it without realising what it actually meant. This being the case, they would be naive enough to miss all of the other dirty jokes in Shakespeare (which is going to be nearly everything that happens). ::)
Okaaaay... so how should that have been phrased then?
Imma weigh in on dis now... So, I wasn't sure about this "tup" word either: www.thefreedictionary.com defines it transitively as "to copulate with (a ewe). Used of a ram." (suggesting the sentence: "The ram tups the ewe" forms the most basic inventory of all sentences that could be constructed on this verb, the sentence then being varied by the addition of details and information or even alternatives to these nouns) and intransitively as "to copulate with a ewe". Now, the former is comitative in meaning (it denotes accompaniment of its object) and so does not make sense when used with "with" unless the "with" is as Deloria notes, an extension beyond the comitative to the instrumental. However, the problem with an instrumental interpretation of the "with" phrase is that in the sentence in question there is nothing to provide the OBJECT of this transitive verb. For the sentence as written to make sense, "tup" must be
intransitive: ergo, Graham and the spirits would have had to have gone sheep shagging together. What happens in Kolyma stays in Kolyma.
It's possible they were simply unfamiliar with the word's actual and highly specific usage, knew of its usage in Othello, and thought they could use it as a substitute for the ubiquitous f-bomb :P (which one might think from its use in Othello).
Four letter words are not new things. :P If Shakespeare had wanted to use "f***," he would have used "f***". :P
... :o I'm learning a lot about Shakespeare today, aren't I?
Why does Valanice like this play anyway? From what little I've read about it, it's a story of betrayal and loss, which isn't exactly cheerful.
Well, there are people who like things that are not cheerful. :P
Quote from: Deloria on May 08, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
Four letter words are not new things. :P If Shakespeare had wanted to use "f***," he would have used "f***". :P
"They" was referring to AGDI. :P If it had been referring to Shakespeare, it would have been "he". :P
Quote from: Delling on May 08, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Deloria on May 08, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
Four letter words are not new things. :P If Shakespeare had wanted to use "f***," he would have used "f***". :P
"They" was referring to AGDI. :P If it had been referring to Shakespeare, it would have been "he". :P
Obviously. XD But Shakespeare chooses his words carefully. :P They should therefore not be taken out of context and used by people who are fundamentally unaware of how language works. :P This is a tirade against AGDI, society, and people who never bothered to learn Latin or open a dictionary before using a word in a published work, such as a game. :P
I love the fact that there's a Dictionary of Sexual Language and Imagery in Shakespearean and Stuart Literature (http://extra.shu.ac.uk/emls/02-3/rev_bru1.html).
The choice of Othello as Valanice's favourite play is probably a bit arbitrary, but given her turbulent past she might see something arresting in Iago's needless vengeance (perhaps reflecting her own unjust imprisonment for no reason at all). And it's possible she sees something alternately wonderful and horrifying in the Othello-Desdemona relationship that frightens her a little, since it's a totally loving relationship (like her own) but goes horribly wrong so quickly.
Oh, and my favourite Shakespearean sexual joke:
hlal. [Taking up the letter] By my life, this is my lady's hand: these be her
very C's, her U's, and her T's [...]
SirAnd. Her C's, her U's, and her T's: why that?