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Title: Enough is enough
Post by: mimbutzki on January 05, 2014, 12:33:54 PM
I canīt stand it anymore. Itīs really annoying. I know you have to earn money with your other games so you can process TSL Ep5. But all we get to hear is "We are working on it." and "I promise there is some process in the thing." The latest official news on the homepage is dated on march 2013. Thatīs almost a year now. Did all the process you talked about in the forums over the last year produce nothing, we fans can get to see? Do you need a reminder that we fans are the guys who buy your games? You made propaganda for you in other forums? Itīs just so annoying that we get nothing in return but (until now) empty promises that you still work on it. We want some real news about this. If there is a demo for the directors, show us some pics or videos. How is the music department working? Or the how is the dubing going on? Whats going on? Describe the processes you are doing. Please give us something. Give us a glimose on the game we can take seriously as process.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Intendant S on January 05, 2014, 01:18:24 PM
I can't speak for the development team, but I will say this. TSL is a free game, and from my understanding it's being worked on by volunteers during their free time. There are threads out there that are showing off some artwork, so it's something to whet your appetite. Yes, I'm sure it's really annoying not seeing anything new for a long time, but they're not obligated to show stuff off. You can ask for more, and do please ask nicely, don't demand it. Even most games that you have to pay for don't show off works in progress.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on January 05, 2014, 09:15:29 PM
Exactly enough is enough. I don't hang out on these forums very much anymore because of that exact negativity that as a volunteer and fan I don't need from other fans. We are working our hardest to get this game out there for you to play but if I had to pick between finishing this game for you or my own welfare, I'm sorry but the game is going to lose every single time because I'm more important that putting my whole life on hold.

We are working on it. If you are fed up with it then that's fine. Telling the whole world about it isn't going to change anything or make me and my team move any faster than what we are doing. To give you a little insight on what goes on in the volunteer world here is my daily life.

I wake up at 6am Monday through Friday so I can get on the road at 7am so I can be at work by 8. Then I teach 6-7 year old lessons they could care less about, because all they want to do it bite and hit each other. I do that for 8 hours. I now have the government coming down telling me on when and how I should teach the lesson as well as deal with an administration that cannot make disciplinary decisions. I then get back in the car at 4pm drive another hour until I get home. Do what I need to do around the house and get ready for the next day. After doing all that, I sit down and work on TSL until I have to go to bed at 9pm.

So after all that, I get maybe 1-2 hours of TSL stuff done. I'm not going to say anything about the development until there is actually something to show and say. If you want to see the game out faster then try helping us by offering us support instead of cutting us down because we need all the support we can get.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 05, 2014, 09:29:38 PM
Maybe you should keep this proverb in mind:

A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: wilco64256 on January 06, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
Maybe you should keep this proverb in mind:

A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad.

Haha that's a fantastic statement and very true.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 06, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
Maybe you should keep this proverb in mind:

A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad.

And then we have games that are delayed and rushed. And how do those turn out? I refer you to Duke Nukem Forever and Diablo 3.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: calmlunatic on January 12, 2014, 09:10:50 PM
Maybe you should keep this proverb in mind:

A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad.

And then we have games that are delayed and rushed. And how do those turn out? I refer you to Duke Nukem Forever and Diablo 3.

I bought Diablo 3 and played it for roughly 2 weeks...didn't even kill Diablo or whoever the final boss was (I came close, though). But for me it was essentially the same as Diablo 2: Kill monsters, get gear, level up. Rinse, repeat. Twice. For some strange reason I was invested in the storyline until I realized it ended 1/3 of the way through the game. That's why I like this series. Each new chapter provides more of the story.

Ok. Now to change gears completely.

If I may ask a question about the development that does not involve dates/deadlines etc.: A while ago, before the new engine and updated graphics were being worked on/with, I asked if it was possible to modify the game so that the dialogue could be controlled by the mouse: left click skipped to the next sentence and right click skipped to the next important part of dialogue. I remember this being a convenient part of the previous (Sierra) games as it allowed me to advance through dialogue I'd already seen if I was recovering after a death from, say, falling off of a cliff, or starving to death in a desert. At the time you said it wasn't possible with the way the current programming was being done. Now that you're working with new resources I'm wondering if the same thing is possible.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: mimbutzki on January 21, 2014, 03:55:17 AM
I am sorry, if I did offend anyone. But I read through the threads on this board. And everyone gets the same answer to the question "How is it going". For more than a year now this "we are still working on it" was all we got. And this fact just freaked me out. But I have to thank you waltzdancing. You gave me glimpse on the inside. Ok Itīs more pirvate details of your live, but itīs something. And when you need help, then ask us! We are more willing to help you than youīll know. I havenīt found a thing on the forum about "Help us finish it." So where do you need help? What can we do to support you and the other volunteers?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: RusseM on January 21, 2014, 09:43:28 AM
Keep up the good work TSL team we know your working hard. So were looking forward to a nice job well done game when it finish. It will be worth it.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Old_Crow on January 22, 2014, 10:09:25 AM
Look at it this way: You could be a "Wolf Among Us" (Telltalegames) fan waiting for episode two.    The difference is that fans prepaid for that game and the 15-week wait between the episodes is enough to raise your dander.    The level of frustration is being based on the money they've invested.

With KQ:SL, I have already been *given* a fun experience.    If they never make the final chapter, I am well ahead because I paid zero dollars for the experience.

If the completion of the story is important to you, I recommend you never play "Dreamfall" or "A Vampyre Story" because those were cliffhangers that may never see a conclusion.    I suppose I've experience enough incomplete stories to give a group of volunteers all the slack they need.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: wilco64256 on January 22, 2014, 05:11:29 PM
Look at it this way: You could be a "Wolf Among Us" (Telltalegames) fan waiting for episode two.    The difference is that fans prepaid for that game and the 15-week wait between the episodes is enough to raise your dander.    The level of frustration is being based on the money they've invested.

With KQ:SL, I have already been *given* a fun experience.    If they never make the final chapter, I am well ahead because I paid zero dollars for the experience.

If the completion of the story is important to you, I recommend you never play "Dreamfall" or "A Vampyre Story" because those were cliffhangers that may never see a conclusion.    I suppose I've experience enough incomplete stories to give a group of volunteers all the slack they need.

I wonder if you weren't aware of this:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey?ref=live
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: tripp6sic6 on February 20, 2014, 06:33:53 PM
Exactly enough is enough. I don't hang out on these forums very much anymore because of that exact negativity that as a volunteer and fan I don't need from other fans. We are working our hardest to get this game out there for you to play but if I had to pick between finishing this game for you or my own welfare, I'm sorry but the game is going to lose every single time because I'm more important that putting my whole life on hold.

We are working on it. If you are fed up with it then that's fine. Telling the whole world about it isn't going to change anything or make me and my team move any faster than what we are doing. To give you a little insight on what goes on in the volunteer world here is my daily life.

I wake up at 6am Monday through Friday so I can get on the road at 7am so I can be at work by 8. Then I teach 6-7 year old lessons they could care less about, because all they want to do it bite and hit each other. I do that for 8 hours. I now have the government coming down telling me on when and how I should teach the lesson as well as deal with an administration that cannot make disciplinary decisions. I then get back in the car at 4pm drive another hour until I get home. Do what I need to do around the house and get ready for the next day. After doing all that, I sit down and work on TSL until I have to go to bed at 9pm.

So after all that, I get maybe 1-2 hours of TSL stuff done. I'm not going to say anything about the development until there is actually something to show and say. If you want to see the game out faster then try helping us by offering us support instead of cutting us down because we need all the support we can get.
Any reasonable person sees your point, but you also have to see ours, as well.

You can't blame a fan base for being upset that the never bothered to finish their first game before moving on to other projects.  Especially since the perception, right or wrong, is that the partial game is being used to springboard the other projects.  It just feels dirty all around.

What it means to me as a potential customer is that I wouldn't pay for a game by POS, because they can't keep their promise to fans who have stuck with them for this amount of time.

Maybe you should keep this proverb in mind:

A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad.
Duke Nukem Forever...

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on February 20, 2014, 10:50:04 PM
Please let me apologize on behalf of tripp6sic6. I am not sure what mindset I would have to adopt in order to make comments such as those made, but I imagine the mindset would be an unflattering addition to my life. I would hope if ever my mindset did turn to such a negative view, I would take up volunteer work while working full time to help bring some perspective into my life.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on February 21, 2014, 02:08:36 PM
Tripp6sic6, did you even read the entirety of this thread before posting in it?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: br305893 on February 21, 2014, 05:24:45 PM
Keep calm people, it will come when it's ready.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on February 24, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
I love how someone like Tripp comes in, who has registered a few years ago and posted twice, and comes out with drivel like that.

As mentioned in another thread, I have been following this project for 11 years.  I've been registered for 11 years and, although I've not always been active on the forums, I have been in touch with members on the forums.  I can't recall ever having whined or complained about how long this is taking to complete because I know nobody who is working on it is getting any money.  They're doing it purely from their love of the series, which has seen the project go through two C&D's and numerous changes of staff.

I have faith that one day, the project will come to fruition.  It may or may not be any time soon, but I know that nobody who is working on the project would lie and say they are working on it if they're actually not.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: br305893 on February 24, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
I love how someone like Tripp comes in, who has registered a few years ago and posted twice, and comes out with drivel like that.

As mentioned in another thread, I have been following this project for 11 years.  I've been registered for 11 years and, although I've not always been active on the forums, I have been in touch with members on the forums.  I can't recall ever having whined or complained about how long this is taking to complete because I know nobody who is working on it is getting any money.  They're doing it purely from their love of the series, which has seen the project go through two C&D's and numerous changes of staff.

I have faith that one day, the project will come to fruition.  It may or may not be any time soon, but I know that nobody who is working on the project would lie and say they are working on it if they're actually not.

Well said.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: tripp6sic6 on February 27, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
I love how you people sit on your high horse and ignore my unpopular, but reasonable, opinion.

There have been literally no updates on the main page about this game in almost 1 year.  It's been almost 2.5 years since the last episode was released.  In that period of time, 5 paid games have been announced by Phoenix Online.  It's very clear that this free game is no longer a priority to the people who announced it in the first place.

This isn't meant to be any disrespect to the volunteers actually working on the game.  It isn't even aimed at them at all.  It is aimed toward the people managing the company.

I understand the choice to move toward games they can actually make money on.  It makes a lot of sense.  At some point though, you have to consider that this episode being delayed affects the reputation of the company and staff the project appropriately.

As for my comment about not buying the commercial games, I admit that was worded a little more strongly than it should have been.  My point was that most people who didn't get what they expected here, aren't going to voice their opinion, they are simply going to move on and never come back.

If you don't agree, that's fine, but this is my point of view and I'd bet there are a lot of people who share it and have already given up on the project.


EDIT: Also, I may not have posted, but I have followed this project through all of the copyright troubles in its infancy.  Not posting in here doesn't make me any less entitled to my opinion.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Intendant S on February 27, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
First off, the team on TSL are, as you said, volunteers. They offer their free time to work on the game. I'm sure most (if not all) have day jobs that require their time and attention, too. That would cut into development time. And how do you know that the top management doesn't care? I'm sure they care a lot.

Secondly, they're only developing for three paid games...one of which has been finished since last year (Cognition) and another that's in the home stretch (Moebius). The rest they're only publishing. Other companies are developing for those titles.

I'm willing to wait for the final episode of TSL. For the reasons I cited above. I can't speak for anyone else, but that's MY opinion.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Say on February 27, 2014, 02:18:57 PM

I canīt stand it anymore. Itīs really annoying. I know you have to earn money with your other games so you can process TSL Ep5. But all we get to hear is "We are working on it." and "I promise there is some process in the thing." The latest official news on the homepage is dated on march 2013. Thatīs almost a year now. Did all the process you talked about in the forums over the last year produce nothing, we fans can get to see? Do you need a reminder that we fans are the guys who buy your games? You made propaganda for you in other forums? Itīs just so annoying that we get nothing in return but (until now) empty promises that you still work on it. We want some real news about this. If there is a demo for the directors, show us some pics or videos. How is the music department working? Or the how is the dubing going on? Whats going on? Describe the processes you are doing. Please give us something. Give us a glimose on the game we can take seriously as process.

Media team worked on a big update for TSL since November 2013, it took us a while to gather up - the team is scattered all over and as you probably have read also with daytime jobs. Luckily, most of TSL artist/coders are nothing but sweet and they were very patient with us as we continued to pester for updates and digging through database content revising pretty much everything.

The updates are mostly done, clearly everyone in my team has got a schedule to work with and Phoenix Online Publishing has been placed as a priority with the arrival of new Directors into the team. I have been put on hold with the media project we were releasing; I can say however, it's been a lot of work because on top of hunting down all the updates developers can't put together for you, we are creating new content for you going along with the updates. It is not the game, I get it; but it's about the game and that's the best I can do for now.

I am only the Social Media Director here, while we handle and go through so many games now the one and only promise I can give you is to bring this up next meeting to see when exactly all the content can be released. I do apologize for the delay, the pacing and clearly the prioritizing we've done - as part of Phoenix I am someone who once worked in the game back when, and I honestly cannot wait until it's all out there.

The one and only thing I would kindly ask for is not to clump the other games into this situation, because fact is every single game has got a different development group of people - Moebius, Cognition, Face Noir, Quest for Infamy, The Last Door and Lost Civilization are completely different people from The Silver Lining team development group; some are completely different studios which we want nothing more but to help get through. People that may not have the tools or the means to distribute or let alone the coverage we can help provide, it's just not fair to them - they're all indies and it hurts them more than any would openly admit.

Development teams, production team and even marketing/pr teams are completely different inside of Phoenix. While some of us may not be able to do much of a difference from the development pipelines, we can most certainly do something about updates on them. I will bring this into attention to those who decide on this, and hopefully there's more info to be had soon enough. Thank you for the patience, even if we haven't given you many choices but to just wait for it and sorry for letting some of you down, I am thankful there are some of you that still follow through with us and call us out when needed to - most people would just give up and walk away.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on February 27, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
I remember having that problem earlier on myself, not knowing that all of the games were being worked on by completely different people. Though I'm not quite sure how to make this clear to newcomers, other than informing them when they ask.

But it's good to have someone like Say doing Social Media/PR stuff. I know the job can't be easy, with people acting the way they tend to do these days.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: NW15 on March 02, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
I understand it takes time, but I didnt know some of you only work on the game 1-2 hours a day? You cant really get much done in 1-2 hours.  I understand you all have a job and have other things do to, but I thought you guys worked on it more than 1-2 hours a day? Do some of you guys work more hours on it during you days off? How people are working on this game?

Are you sure you guys dont need help? I would be happy to help. :)

Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on March 02, 2014, 03:29:11 PM
We are always looking for animators and cinematic artists for TSL so if you know anyone please send them our way. Regarding the amount of time others work, it always depends on their schedule. Some weeks are busier than others.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ShiftingBalance on March 13, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
Even a % done post now and then would keep hope alive for this game.

This game to me has held the same fate as A Second Face part 2 (from AGS Forums), Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth, and other games which I might not have mentioned, in which it seems that discussion of updates all but stopped. (I used to check more frequently over hopes of news. Now I only check every few months when I happen to think about it.)

No one really knows how far along the project is. I know that the volunteer team for this project is doing the best they can, but a progress update would be nice. After all, a lot of us who were drawn into your free game are the same people who would be paying for your paid games.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arkillian on March 14, 2014, 09:53:44 PM
I think that the point is that no matter what they do, people will always complain. Like, if there was a progress bar, what if it didn't move for 3 months? People would be down their throats still. As nice as it would be to know that they're still working on it, the best we can do is be encouraging so when they can work on it, it's happy work :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on May 06, 2014, 10:24:00 AM
WELL.

There has now been news about Episode 5!  So hopefully everyone will be happy bunnies, but chances are the grumblers will re-surface, so they can go away please <3
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on May 06, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
*Looks at new screenshot*

Aw, I thought we'd finally left the Green Isles. Unless...

It's Dreamland!Isle of Mist?

As a general rule, I don't like backtracking in games, especially if it's a "Dark World" equivalent where all the game developers needed to do was change the lighting a little. It just seems lazy. Although that's a discussion for another part of this forum.

I'm not making any assumption as to the work ethic of the TSL team, by the way. I'm sure they're very busy.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 07, 2014, 03:33:28 PM
*Looks at new screenshot*

Aw, I thought we'd finally left the Green Isles. Unless...

It's Dreamland!Isle of Mist?
:suffer:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on May 07, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Ah, Suffer. How I have missed you!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 08, 2014, 06:32:07 AM
Ah, Suffer. How I have missed you!
You're welcome. :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on May 10, 2014, 02:29:42 PM
 :smack:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 12, 2014, 08:29:14 AM
I believe the location of Episode 5 has been revealed previously. If it hasn't, though, it's not my place to reveal it. Trust me, though. Episode 5 is very different from Eps 1-4. :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on May 12, 2014, 09:26:17 AM
I think it is? It's either [redacted] or [redacted]. Actually, I think one of you said both?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 12, 2014, 11:56:43 AM
I think it is? It's either [redacted] or [redacted]. Actually, I think one of you said both?
Exactly! :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on May 12, 2014, 03:51:19 PM
Enough with the censorship! I swear I'm gonna [redacted] and then probably [redacted] too!

Admin Note: Numbers, knock it off. Seriously.




EDIT: Just so you know, no admin actually said that. I'm just dicking around like usual.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 13, 2014, 06:44:35 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on May 22, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
Where is this new screenshot??  ???
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 22, 2014, 01:40:46 PM
http://postudios.tumblr.com/post/84922645186/the-adventure-the-silver-lining-journey
(http://media.tumblr.com/93d9cc6bb31f430f072c2b9d887bae4d/tumblr_inline_n55i65rwNw1rg3rvd.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on May 22, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
The path of the Silver Cloak is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of Black Cloaks. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the Isle of the Mist, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my Druids. And you will know I am Mother Nature when I lay my vengeance upon you.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on May 22, 2014, 07:28:28 PM
Nick Fury, right?

That's awesome.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on May 23, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
(http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/peterenns/files/2012/12/Samuel-L.-Jackson.jpeg)

Last time I checked, Nick Fury didn't look like this.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on May 23, 2014, 05:35:35 PM
http://postudios.tumblr.com/post/84922645186/the-adventure-the-silver-lining-journey
(http://media.tumblr.com/93d9cc6bb31f430f072c2b9d887bae4d/tumblr_inline_n55i65rwNw1rg3rvd.jpg)

:D

Thank you!!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on May 27, 2014, 07:18:23 AM
You're welcome!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on June 05, 2014, 07:15:49 PM
Just stopping by to let you know that it's been a month since that screenshot was posted. I'm starting to get impatient. In fact, I think my patience has run completely out. If I don't see something new by tomorrow, I will have no choice but to sit at my TV and watch movies, like what I mostly do already. A harsh ultimatum to be sure, but it may just be what the team needs to pull through in the clutch.

Katie: Numbers is threatening to return to a lifestyle that he already has if we don't show any updates! What do we do?!

Cesar: Dammit Weldon, work harder!

Weldon: *meekly* Yes sir.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: DreamFan on June 09, 2014, 04:14:20 PM
If it is any encouragement, I still love you guys for generously providing such an awesome game, and I have faith you all will release the next episode :) I am so looking forward to the next episode -- I know it will be so much fun^_^ I've even been planning to replay the first four episodes before trying the fifth once it is available.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Skolia on June 16, 2014, 06:35:23 PM
What's really unfair is Erica Reed somehow already downloaded episode 5 on her phone!

Guess she had Terrance hack Phoenix Online Studios...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on June 17, 2014, 10:39:06 AM
What's really unfair is Erica Reed somehow already downloaded episode 5 on her phone!

Guess she had Terrance hack Phoenix Online Studios...
...after inventing a time machine. :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: cherubim on June 20, 2014, 02:46:45 AM
While I wait for episode 5 to finish, I am developing my own game similar to the silver lining only it is a point and click adventure survival horror game. Totally inspired by Phoenix to use Unity without knowing anything about game development, but I already have inventory, dialogue, and shooting worked out, but creating a save/load is a lot tougher than I thought. Probably just save scene levels completed instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxk8Ak_wJR0 here's a small video if you want to know what it looks like. It is about zombies, but mostly puzzle solving silver lining style.

I'm just going to see whether I finish my game first or Phoenix does, I'll be sure to let you guys play it if I get it done.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on June 23, 2014, 08:34:38 AM
Hi, cheruibm. That's pretty cool that we inspired you to make your own game. I know saving and loading games is a challenging aspect of development. Good luck, and keep us posted!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on June 23, 2014, 08:39:19 AM
I'm curious - what resources are you using? That looks pretty professional for someone who knows nothing about game development!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: cherubim on June 23, 2014, 05:21:42 PM
Thanks Snabbott! Yeah, I can do some of the modeling, animation, and coding myself, but most of it comes from the Unity asset store. I did the inventory system myself with some help. I use UFPS for the shooting part and movement. Most of the 3d models and animation are made by others, although I plan to make some of my own. The Dialogue System is what I use for chatting with NPC. I have no voice acting though, but after modifying other people's code for my game I can see how The Silver Lining was made, except I don't hire people and just get assets from the asset store.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on June 26, 2014, 09:03:22 PM
Le't get back to the task at hand shall we. cherubim: That game doesn't even look like the silverlining so it doesn't belong in this topic.

So, without further ado I remember reading last month in the news section that the silver lining episode 5 is still being developed in the process an was wondering when will it be completed. I remember reading, I can't give the game to you yet so that means its close or near completion :). Don't let us down TSL Team.

Shalkar
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on July 05, 2014, 02:30:16 PM
Still nothing to show?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on July 09, 2014, 07:00:17 AM
 :suffer:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on July 09, 2014, 07:39:03 PM
Yes! This is just what I needed to see!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on July 21, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
Happy to oblige, Numbers! :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 21, 2014, 01:13:03 PM
I really have no idea what any of that is, but hey, progress I guess!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: cherubim on July 22, 2014, 02:27:56 AM
I think it is just the properties of the TSL episode 5 build. It'll be interesting to see how many fans are still eagerly waiting.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on July 26, 2014, 07:07:32 PM
I feel despair. I feel it's put on hold indefinitely an won't come to fruition. Oh please I'd love to finish the game. It has brought great joy to my heart.

Shalkar
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 27, 2014, 08:31:27 AM
FFS! >:( Did you not see the pictures?! They're working on it, man!

Remember: Volunteer project! They have other games that are taking priority right now, why? Because they. Make. Money! Which, ya know, they kinda NEED to keep their company going so they can release TSL in the first place?!

I'm sorry, but I'm just SICK of seeing this! People whining and complaining, "WE WANT IT NOW BUT YOU'VE BETRAYED US SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP MAKING POSTS ABOUT IT AND SAY YOU'VE GIVEN UP AND TELLING YOU TO HURRY UP WHEN WE SHOULD KNOW OTHER STUFF IS TAKING PRIORITY AND WE CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO READ POSTS BY MODS EXPLAINING WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE MOST OF US POST MAYBE ONCE TO WHINE AND NEVER COME BACK!"

And you know what that does? It brings down encouragement to work on the episode and drives people away because that's all you guys talk about now, and nobody listens!!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on July 27, 2014, 09:28:02 AM
Well, shouting isn't going to help either. When is the last time you've swayed someone's opinion on the Internet by lapsing into ALL-CAPS RAGE? Let a mod take care of Shalkar. I wouldn't be bothered by anything he says, really. He is a llama. It says so right where his avatar should be. He is, by his own volition, a despairing llama.

Hey, look what I found on deviantART!

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/156/d/3/Sad_Llama_2_by_RandomWonderllama.jpg)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 27, 2014, 10:02:15 AM
Fair enough, good point.

Hee hee, despairing llama!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: starletatheart on July 27, 2014, 11:11:28 AM
I completely understand that this is a side project which generates no revenue for those working on it, and that it is a fan based project.

However, I can't deny I am sad every few months I check on this project and it seems there is no progress or updates.  I grew up watching my brothers play all the King's Quest Games, until I could play them myself, and they are very sentimental to me. I truly hope this project will be finished, because it keeps it such good form with the storyline, and all of us fans wish the story would continue on forever. 

If anything (and I know everyone has other jobs and other projects) some updates on the site about what is going on would keep people interested, because at this point - I'm about to stop looking at this site, because the first several games came out relatively quickly and this last feels like it never will.  So I might give up on it. Sad.  And I totally, TOTALLY would pay for it if that would speed things up.  I loved all the other episodes. 
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on July 27, 2014, 05:27:03 PM
There is a very large group of us that feel the same way Starle. All we can do is be patient, and hope that one day we will see it.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: cherubim on July 29, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
I have to agree, the problem isn't so much that it is taking so long, but rather that there are no significant updates showing or a progress bar or something. They should dedicate some time to prepare a trailer or something or how much progress they've been making. It may mean taking longer than it already has been, but at least for us fans we will know it is coming. Movies have trailers made years before they are even out and there are constant updates, so even if TSL episode 5 is not going to come out for a few more years, it will be nice to see its progress. For me, I can wait, I am just speaking from a promotional point of view.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on July 31, 2014, 04:34:36 PM
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?
Are we nearly there yet?

... ;D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on July 31, 2014, 04:47:56 PM
Thank you for not releasing this episode yet!  ;D

I appreciate all the hard work all the volunteers are putting towards this amazing project.
Thank you for not rushing to release this project before it is ready! :-*
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Oldbushie on July 31, 2014, 10:43:56 PM
Haha, thank you boopish. :) I do still see activity on our TSL repository so don't despair!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: raVen image on August 06, 2014, 04:18:11 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm just SICK of seeing this!

Well, first: you aren't sorry at all.  On the contrary, you seem to be quite pleased with yourself.  Second: no one asked you to click on this thread, which is obviously a rant.   Thus, besides being an obvious liar, you bring your misery upon yourself
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 06, 2014, 06:12:17 PM
Hey, if anyone's going to be a dick to GrahamRocks around here, it's going to be me.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 06, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
Yeah! And at least you're funny, Numbers! (at least I think you are anyway) You may be harsh and a bit of a jerk, but at least you back up your arguments and bring up good points!

YOU on the other hand...  >:(

I've looked at your profile, reading every single post you've made on here. And every single thing you have said is condescending and negative. You NEVER say anything positive, and always try to play yourself up as "deep" when really, you're just a jerk to everyone here, bashing constantly whether it be something we say or "analyzing" why Moebius has terrible writing. Really, I believe you are the single person so far who hates Moebius. Really?! You really want a Le Serpent Rouge style puzzle? nobody liked Gabriel Knight 3's puzzles, man. For example, my defriending of Elsa and Orion's (originally it was going to be me who explained it but I lost my progress when my phone blipped) explanation.

"Presently, I am wondering at what time the term "pen pal" became synonymous with the word "friend" and devoting consideration as to how the word "friend has been completely devalued by cyberspace.    "Friend" has no meaning if you can "defriend" on a whim."

1. You don't use Facebook do you?

2. Have you never met a person, became friends with them, then realized, "I don't want to be friends with you anymore,"?

"Are you certain that person has changed?   Maybe it is you who have changed."

You make it sound like a bad thing that Orion cut all ties with Elsa at all! She insulted us both, lured Orion into a false sense of security, got constantly jealous of me and tried to shut me down because I was "spamming" the group she was in and heavily implied that I was stupid for resisting and standing up to her. Considering that I am a sufferer of Asperger's Syndrome, yeah, that's a big no no. She's bipolar, hypocritical, homophobic and psycho. There's a reason why we call her the Psycho Cypriot and joke that she found the Necrophilicon, mistaking it for a bible. And yet, it sounds like you're taking her side when you ask if it was Orion had changed. If he has, it was for the better, I'd say.

I am not pleased with myself, raVen image. I truly am getting very annoyed with seeing all these posts asking the same damn question; when is Episode 5 coming out? and people whining about it being delayed. Look, I'm anxious for it to end as well as I've been waiting two and a half to three years for ep.5 to be released, but I am patient. Boopish seems to be the only sane one here and pretty much is saying what I'm thinking.

I will say one thing about you that's appreciated, though. You keep your posts short, unlike Baggins, whom I can't even get through a single post from him on here because he goes on and on and on about how, "You're not following canon to the letter! Waaah! Q_Q" and nitpicking and bashing every single detail of TSL, even stuff that doesn't matter like the color of the bricks on the Isle of Wonder's Pun Garden wall.
 
 

Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on August 07, 2014, 12:20:52 PM
I know that tensions are high but this doesn't help the team. When I left, people were still working on it and trying their best to make a game that you would like. What was happening before I left and the reason why I left, was I no longer had time to dedicate. People would leave faster than we could replace them and with the economy as bad as it is, volunteer work isn't that desirable when you need to pay the bills. Another thing that happened was we grew up. When I started on this project I was 22 and in college. I'm 27 now and an inclusion teacher, working on my masters and teaching an after school program. I just couldn't do it anymore when life started to play it's cards.

I know that a lot of you want the game, but when this story happens to the team and those people can't be replaced, you end up with a slow production. I am happy to answer any questions that you may have to help ease the tensions if you wish. :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 07, 2014, 04:36:43 PM
Here's a question that should calm everybody right down: does everyone die at the end?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on August 07, 2014, 11:01:26 PM
I can't answer that because it's the plot but I will say that you will be satisfied with how it ends.  ;)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 08, 2014, 06:11:58 AM
Okay... I trust you...

No, really, I do. Please don't let me down. Both Orion and I hope and want a happy ending, but he doubts it'll happen because it's apparently popular not to, these days. What? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it MUST be done! ...Right? I mean,
Cognition had a bittersweet ending, and I liked it regardless.

So, please, don't fail us!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 08, 2014, 07:20:24 AM
You do know I was being sarcastic, right? Usually those kinds of questions stir people up more.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 08, 2014, 08:33:36 AM
I was moreso replying to Waltzdancing than you, Numbers.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 08, 2014, 09:08:16 AM
Well, obviously. I was also talking to Waltzdancing.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on August 08, 2014, 02:04:27 PM
I did Numbers, but I answered it to calm people down :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on August 12, 2014, 02:18:26 AM
Hi again. I realized tonight I don't want to complain anymore about the 5th installment. When it's done it's done. I've read what was said about me an don't exactly understand what a llama but I seen pictures an definations of it. Not that it bothers me but I prefer to make friends on this board. :)

I do like the games that Phoenix advertises. Face Noir really touched me an would love to play the 2nd part but I have to wait. Good things are worth waiting for.

I know The Silver Lining Episode 5 will be out soon I just know it. King's Quest IV was my First Adventure game ever when I was 9 years old. Then I played all the adventure games. I enjoy my youthful days growing up to these games.

Thank you Phoenix. Shalkar
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: batsu-sama on August 13, 2014, 06:11:09 PM
I must admit that hearing about the resurrection of Sierra has me both happy and apprehensive, the latter because they have announced a new Kings Quest game is going to be created, leaving me to wonder if another C&D is going to find its way to POStudios before they have the chance to get the last episode finished (in November it will be 3 years since Ep4 was released)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 14, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
Actually...that is, scarily enough, a valid point.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Tinu on August 14, 2014, 04:55:35 PM
That's actually been my constant worry for this project. The fan-rights and what not are not actually indefinite and subject to the whims of the IP holder. :/ At some point or another, they're gonna revoke that license and say 'well you haven't done anything with the game for X years now/you haven't shown us anything/we figured you dropped the project'. "We're working on it" isn't really gonna cut it with corporate, unlike us fans. :/
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 15, 2014, 08:06:15 AM
Stop making me even MORE anxious about this than I already am!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on August 15, 2014, 02:14:16 PM
Sierra is still under the Activision umbrella, who already gave their blessing, as it were, for the project to come to completion.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 15, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
With all due respect, I'll stop being anxious when the episode is actually released.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on August 16, 2014, 07:07:41 PM
Cliff Hanger?  ;D Tsk, tsk. SMH.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: batsu-sama on August 17, 2014, 05:37:45 PM
Sierra is still under the Activision umbrella, who already gave their blessing, as it were, for the project to come to completion.

True, but at the time Sierra was a non-entity and there had been no word of any pending resurrection of Sierra at the time.  Now that the revived Sierra has stated that they wish/plan to create a new Kings Quest game, is there really anything to stop them from revoking said 'blessing', short of having a written agreement with Phoenix Online Studios valid for the duration of the 5 parts of TSL, if such a document exists?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Halgroda on August 18, 2014, 06:04:07 PM
Jeez.... three years have gone by quick! When is the projected release date for episode 5? I'm ready to finish this game!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on August 24, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
I'm sure if there were any problems arising with TSL, we would be the first people to hear about it, and the campaign to reverse the third C&D this project has hit would be underway.

I have zero worries about TSL's conclusion coming to fruition and honestly, I think other people should have more faith.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on August 25, 2014, 03:07:30 PM
MangoMercury: I hope your right. Do you think it will be finished by the end of this year?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on August 25, 2014, 04:46:26 PM
And don't give an unclear answer. "Yes" or "no" will do.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on August 31, 2014, 02:30:37 PM
Hello. I am wondering if the Silver Lining will be released/completed this year. Thanks
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 31, 2014, 02:52:05 PM
*headdesks*
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on August 31, 2014, 09:38:38 PM
GrahamRocks: No need to head butt your computer lol. I simply asked if it will be done this year so we can move on. hehheheh.  ;D

This is not a stupid question thus need's addressed correctly. Numbers: will back me up.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on September 01, 2014, 06:15:27 PM
Shalkar wouldn't be bugging you guys if you weren't ignoring us, you know.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on September 03, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
If you are talking this year as in 2014, I'm going to guess probably not. Who knows about 2015. All I know is when I left, we still had some work to do.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on September 04, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
There now. That wasn't so hard, was it?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on September 04, 2014, 10:07:58 PM
I have to be careful. I'm not sure what I can really say without getting into trouble.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on September 07, 2014, 01:11:30 PM
Sigh. It's not coming out  ???
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on September 07, 2014, 06:34:15 PM
I think it's been made abundantly clear that no, it's not coming out this year.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on September 08, 2014, 12:31:07 PM
Shalkar - the final episode IS coming out.

This year?  Probably not.  But I have absolutely zero doubts that the team will deliver.  Even if they didn't, the fact that they managed to release one episode, let alone FOUR, of this game, is an incredible achievement.  I've followed the project for over 11 years now and seeing the team evolve from a small band of fans without a direction to a company producing fully-fledged commercial games as well as continuing with The Silver Lining has been amazing.

The passion behind the project is still there as it was back in the early 2000s.  But the thing to keep in mind is that this is a game for fans, by fans.  It's a voluntary effort from everyone - this means that people are working on this project in their spare time - a lot of them doing full-time jobs which may be on the commercial games the company is releasing, or other things.

What you also need to remember is that these people have lives outside of the project - some people have families, some people have other circumstances to deal with.  All being said and done, people can only put what time they can to this project, but I know that they want to see it come to completion as much as you or I or anyone else does.

If you're keen to see the project reach its conclusion sooner, why not apply online for one of the vacancies available on the Jobs Page (http://www.postudios.com/company/jobs/index.php)?  There's plenty of areas that need more volunteers.  In the meantime, have faith in the team and be mindful that they have lives outside of work, be it paying or voluntary :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on September 08, 2014, 03:14:52 PM
Thank you.

Now if only people would stop asking and complaining that it isn't out yet, that would be great. But I doubt anybody will listen. They never do. They just can't get it through their thick skulls.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on September 08, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
The problem isn't so much the apparent lack of progress as it is the lack of communications. That's what my biggest issue was--not that the team hasn't been working, but that they haven't been communicating anything to us.

I'm sure Shalkar appreciates being referred to as thick-skulled, by the way.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on September 10, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
What can they say other than production is slow? If it's slow that means that not many updates will becoming because there may not be any.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on September 11, 2014, 07:28:52 AM
No news is no news.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on September 12, 2014, 08:26:18 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Enchantermon on September 12, 2014, 09:46:41 PM
I wish I had any needed skills I could contribute. But I don't, so I will continue to cheer from the sidelines. Can't wait to see the finished product! :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on September 13, 2014, 02:28:12 AM
I also think that, in a way, no news is GOOD news - after all, someone could update that the project is cancelled, or that we've got a third C&D and no amount of negotiation is lifting it, or that the whole project has been lost and cannot be recovered...  There are plenty of news items that you WOULDN'T want to get, so whilst we're not getting any news, I'm happy to be reassured that this means people are continuing to work on the game.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on September 14, 2014, 02:00:13 PM
It can't be commercialized because someone else owes the IP. They have permission to make it but only if it's free. It's taking so long because the team is making it in their spare time You are a wizard slave because of the number of post you have made.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on September 14, 2014, 02:25:11 PM
*blinks twice and nods at Numbers's second statement*

Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Say on September 14, 2014, 05:38:39 PM
I can understand people being impatient considering the unfair delay this build has had, but calling people names and just being rude is going to accomplish absolutely nothing but getting yourself banned.

I am keeping this thread open for the time being, but that behaviour won't be tolerated. So please, be respectful to each other.

A whole blog arc of update was completed by July 2014, yet it got postponed due to development delays. There is an impressive +80 pages booklet, plenty screenshots and other goodies to be shared for EP5 which is still on hold - all assets entirely free, just as the game. Nothing to comment regarding updates, team continues to work on their pace: it is not an excuse, but it is a fact the volunteer crew do their own time schedule to contribute. Also, nothing to add on any legal situation with the IP considering a new KQ by Odd Gentlemen is coming for 2015. Activision has been nothing but supportive and kind to all the indie studios they have opened up to.

TSL will be finished, apologies on the unfair time this has taken, and you may continue to be excited about everything that's coming from http://www.sierra.com/ in the meantime.

Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on September 14, 2014, 05:40:39 PM
What Say said.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Oldbushie on September 14, 2014, 06:48:15 PM
I'm not saying Gwydion wasn't cool, but seriously why the heck does it say wizard's slave by my name and how do I change that? Not everyone may know the story you know. You're a Wizard's Slave, Not Me!
Post more! :D Then your title will change. There's no way to customize it aside from that.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on September 15, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
I'm not really sure why the forums are so dead. I know I tend not to come here often *because* there is so little activity. I think a lot of the fans are communicating via Twitter and Facebook these days.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on September 15, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
I hate to be that guy...who am I kidding, I love to be that guy, when would you estimate the release date for said blog arc? If it was completed in July, it shouldn't be too far off.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on September 15, 2014, 11:51:07 AM
I'm guessing the blog arc schedule is tied to the production schedule.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on September 16, 2014, 08:04:02 AM
What Snabbot said  ;D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jimprobable33 on September 16, 2014, 01:12:09 PM
Hey everybody,

been following TSL for a few years now and this forum for about the same time but just made the account to be a part of things.

Really love the project, POS, and I hope everything is moving in terms of releasing the 5th episode.

Even if it doesn't, however, some of the best games, tv shows, etc. "end" on cliffhangers. It becomes a bit of a legend and opens up doors for creativity on the side of the fans (e.g., fan fiction).

It is always a good thing to look on the bright side ;D  :suffer: :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on September 16, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
Welcome, Jim! Thank you for awesome support! :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on September 16, 2014, 02:07:34 PM
Welcome! :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waltzdancing on September 16, 2014, 09:12:52 PM
Another reason for the forums being dead is the possibility that we are all growing up and are moving on with our lives too. I know I was in my teens when I started coming here and it was on a regular basis. Now I'm hardly on but I am in my mid 20s, we change as life moves on. I know I'm not waiting forever now.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on September 17, 2014, 07:38:32 AM
Or, y'know, nothing interesting is going on lately. Mark me, when a new game comes out, things will perk up again.

Sorry, but that just sounds like a precursor post to shutting down the forums because of the lack of activity...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: calmlunatic on September 17, 2014, 09:16:10 AM
When the previous episodes were released, this was usually my first source of information. I check back every so often waiting for a new post to be made regarding an announcement about a possible release date. I know the team is working on it and have confidence it's making progress, but I'm not excitedly on the edge of my seat waiting for them to finish it; they'll finish it when they finish it.

I do still look forward to its release and appreciating all the work the developers put into the game as a conclusion to the Daventry storyline (it's going to be a conclusion, right?). Until then I have this forum bookmarked and will check in occasionally.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: llothe on September 17, 2014, 03:27:49 PM
Hey, just wanted to chime in here. As one of the artists on this project (and probably the primary one currently working on background art for TSL Ep:5), all through the period of time covered by this thread there has indeed been somewhat slow but definitely steady progress on getting this game finished. Speaking for myself, I've got like 30+ digitally-hand-painted scenes/camera angles sitting around on my hard drive that have been produced during aforementioned time period, but it's not like we can even drip feed most of this content to the fanbase... because spoilers! It's important that these scenes have the intended impact when you see them the first time. For that matter, most or all of these will go through further rounds of improvement before the final game. Given the lengthy development process, the artistic skills I can bring to bear when we get towards the end of the project should be significantly better (not to mention faster) than they were at the beginning, or even as they are now. I'm sure I'm not the only cog in this machine who could say that!

One of the things I've learned about the process of making games through volunteering on this project is that progress is not nearly as linear as one would like. Bottlenecks form depending on which skill sets the volunteer group happens to have less of at any given time; we soldier on. Bugs develop that would cause major headaches for even paid game dev groups with paid testers; we soldier on. We draw talent for the volunteer group from our devoted fanbase, but the skills needed for making a game like this to a decent standard of excellence or even at all aren't necessarily available, particularly when it's mentioned that the project is unpaid; we soldier on. Strategic shifts occur in the pipeline that require changes in method and thinking; we soldier on. We soldier on because we're all huge fans of the IP, just like you all are.

We're not going to let this thing fade away.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: JDHJANUS on September 19, 2014, 02:23:12 PM
snabbott mentioned this already, but I just wanted to add:

If you're looking for more community activity, there are several fairly active Sierra groups on Facebook (including one for King's Quest fans, and the Sierra Planet group, which is focused on Roberta Williams games in general), as well as very active community on Twitter as well. I know several people outside of these forums from FB and Twitter (like Say, stika, GrahamRocks!, etc.) and maybe even more of you who are posting under screennames here that I don't recognize. ;)

I've been a part of several Sierra forums, and generally keep an eye on several of them at a time, and considering the huge number of available posts here, the Phoenix Online forums are one of the largest forums in total number of posts that I've seen (to the point that I actually intimidated from posting here for years). Even though the community may not be so active on these forums, I feel like this is becoming a more frequent occurrence across many different forums. Even the Sierra Help forums, which is the most expansive Sierra forums currently in operation, has experienced a lull in activity, as has SpaceQuest.Net, Quest for More Glory, etc. (and just like here, all have upcoming games at least related their fandom, i.e. SpaceVenture, Hero-U...)

You can always find me around Twitter - @JDHJANUS. There are also several Sierra FB groups that I mentioned earlier that are fairly active; the two busiest ones are Sierra Chest and Sierra Gamers.

If you don't have FB or Twitter, and you're looking for more Sierra community outside of these forums, then you could always try the Sierra Help forums at http://www.sierrahelp.com/forums . Collector is always looking for more people to be active there as well. :)

Talk to you later!

JDHJANUS
Josh
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: SilverBall10 on September 22, 2014, 04:06:46 AM
2015 will be the year of The Silver Lining and King's Quest (I'm curious about the new version by Sierra as well).
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: AndreaStevenesen on September 29, 2014, 06:07:00 AM
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: MangoMercury on October 02, 2014, 01:02:53 PM
If the last episode got cancelled...  Then César might have to show us the fabled SCRIPT! :suffer:

But it ain't getting cancelled so he still gots all the Suffer Rights* :D







*except that one up there - that one's all Roberta Mango Roberta.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on October 05, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
It would be nice if the game was finished by the end of this year  ;D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on October 05, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Wow...

Even I would never insult you like that! You and I may have a rough not-friends-not-enemies relationship, but even I wouldn't take it that far!

This is gonna be raVen image all over again...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Oldbushie on October 05, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
Yeah, that's... a bit extreme for a PM. I'm not sure this is the right thread to vent about it though.

I did get your report earlier but I've been busy all weekend so I haven't had a chance to discuss with the other mods.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on October 07, 2014, 09:42:09 AM
*except that one up there - that one's all Roberta Mango Roberta.
XD
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on October 07, 2014, 06:30:42 PM
Another reason for the forums being dead is the possibility that we are all growing up and are moving on with our lives too. I know I was in my teens when I started coming here and it was on a regular basis. Now I'm hardly on but I am in my mid 20s, we change as life moves on. I know I'm not waiting forever now.
When I first read this post, I didn't read much into the words. After Numbers' most recent post, I couldn't help but think back to it. So, here is my reply to waltzdancing, and to the other volunteers as well.

I have the utmost respect for all the volunteers working on this project. You are absolutely right we change and priorities shift. I appreciate every moment of your time given to this project, and to us the fans. I don't expect you to put your life on hold for this project, or wait forever.  If ever your life or priorities were unable to support this project, I would completely respect you for your decision. If this project never came to light because finishing it would negatively alter the health and happiness of the volunteers, I would fully support the decision. As much as the fans would like to see the result of the hard work, I don't think any of the true fans would ask for that.

I didn't know about the project at the start, but now I check the forums at least twice a week, sometimes daily. I may not post much, but as I have grown up, this project has become very much a part of my life. I may never meet any of you working your beautiful magic to bring this project alive, but I feel very protective and supportive of all of you. Thank you for being the wonderful, talented, individuals you are.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jimprobable33 on October 08, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
I wish there was something else we could do besides just saying how much we morally support the volunteer team ???. Is there anything any of us can ACTUALLY do? I am a social worker by trade...so I am all about a) helping people, and b) putting that help into ACTION. please do let us know if there is anything we can physically do to make that support real!

Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on October 08, 2014, 04:23:30 PM
I know the team is always accepting volunteers to help. Maybe one of them could point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on October 08, 2014, 05:32:48 PM
I know I have checked the volunteer section, but I'm not an artist at the level the team works at, and I don't have the fancy programs to animate. Is there anything besides artistic needs? I have lots of free time and a willingness to help!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on October 08, 2014, 10:16:12 PM
Volunteer section?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on October 09, 2014, 09:01:24 AM
Volunteer section?
On the top bar: Company --> Jobs --> Volunteer Work
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on October 09, 2014, 06:53:58 PM
Oh.  Well... I wasn't actually looking to volunteer.  I've been looking for volunteers myself.  Ever since the tragic passing of our artist, I've become the new project leader for Unicorn Tales' KQIV 3D remake project.  And so far, we haven't had much success in finding a new artist to continue her work.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on October 13, 2014, 10:35:28 PM
Oh.  Well... I wasn't actually looking to volunteer.  I've been looking for volunteers myself.  Ever since the tragic passing of our artist, I've become the new project leader for Unicorn Tales' KQIV 3D remake project.  And so far, we haven't had much success in finding a new artist to continue her work.
Oh, pick me! :rofl:
(http://i.imgur.com/8iz4gSC.jpg)

In all seriousness though, I am sorry to hear about the tragic passing. My thoughts go out to the family, friends, and the others who knew this person. I wish you and your team all the best in finding her successor.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: beernutts on October 16, 2014, 03:36:05 PM
I can understand people being impatient considering the unfair delay this build has had, but calling people names and just being rude is going to accomplish absolutely nothing but getting yourself banned.

I am keeping this thread open for the time being, but that behaviour won't be tolerated. So please, be respectful to each other.

A whole blog arc of update was completed by July 2014, yet it got postponed due to development delays. There is an impressive +80 pages booklet, plenty screenshots and other goodies to be shared for EP5 which is still on hold - all assets entirely free, just as the game. Nothing to comment regarding updates, team continues to work on their pace: it is not an excuse, but it is a fact the volunteer crew do their own time schedule to contribute. Also, nothing to add on any legal situation with the IP considering a new KQ by Odd Gentlemen is coming for 2015. Activision has been nothing but supportive and kind to all the indie studios they have opened up to.

TSL will be finished, apologies on the unfair time this has taken, and you may continue to be excited about everything that's coming from http://www.sierra.com/ in the meantime.

I had to chuckle a little at this response.  THAT's how a PR person is suppose to respond in a thread.  Glad the position has gotten better over the years.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on October 16, 2014, 07:57:57 PM
Hear, hear!

Lets see, Cognition is done, Moebius is done, Gabriel Knight remake is done... what else is left on the schedule? Aside from TSL of course.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on October 16, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
Actually, that's a good point. Would it be possible (or even legal) to take the crews that had been working on those other three games and have them help out with TSL? It would get finished that much faster.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: calmlunatic on October 17, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
Actually, that's a good point. Would it be possible (or even legal) to take the crews that had been working on those other three games and have them help out with TSL? It would get finished that much faster.

I imagine they'd be assigned to projects that would help keep POS afloat. TSL has its own dedicated team working on it (albeit in their spare time) and I have faith they'll get it done eventually.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on October 17, 2014, 11:28:36 AM
Its October, will we maybe get Ep5 in 2015
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on October 22, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
Getting this thread back on track, I'd suggest to those of you who are anxiously awaiting the final episode to check back on the forums in January 2015. Maybe there'll be some news then. I don't personally know if that's true or not, but coming back to the forums every once in a while will spare you the pain of being overly dependent on them, checking every single day, and not seeing any updates for what feels like forever, but is probably only a few years. ("Only" being a very subjective term, of course.)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on October 22, 2014, 04:35:07 AM
I think because Sierra announced the New KQ Game, they asked the TSL Team to hold off on Ep5 or something, maybe they want the New KQ Game to somehow be associated with TSL and i bet we will even get TSL as a Free Game With the New KQ Game, would be great though since TSL is a Big Game File to Download
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on October 22, 2014, 07:59:45 AM
I doubt they'd be THAT nice. But you never know. They do support the game, at least.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on October 22, 2014, 10:09:41 AM
I think because Sierra announced the New KQ Game, they asked the TSL Team to hold off on Ep5 or something, maybe they want the New KQ Game to somehow be associated with TSL and i bet we will even get TSL as a Free Game With the New KQ Game, would be great though since TSL is a Big Game File to Download

Yeah, I find that pretty hard to believe.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on October 22, 2014, 03:21:54 PM
I think because Sierra announced the New KQ Game, they asked the TSL Team to hold off on Ep5 or something, maybe they want the New KQ Game to somehow be associated with TSL and i bet we will even get TSL as a Free Game With the New KQ Game, would be great though since TSL is a Big Game File to Download

Daventry: You have quite the imagination. Lmao
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on October 24, 2014, 01:20:45 AM
My Imagination has just expanded :D

Why do i have this funny feeling that the TSL Team was going to make Graham Sacrifice himself in Ep5 where we would have a Funeral of Graham with Rosella and Edgar getting Married in the end in witch we would have a Book Closed on the Series, but Sierra told them to hold off the idea, because of their KQ Game in witch Graham would become Grandfather that made no sense with the ending of TSL
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ThunderChild on October 24, 2014, 02:24:05 AM
I miss the abduction by the Sariens here, which forces the intervention of an infamous janitor to save the day . . .
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on October 24, 2014, 11:10:05 AM
Well now I wanna play Space Quest :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on October 24, 2014, 12:31:19 PM
Why no Ep5 Trailer, would that be a mistake to give People false hope in thinking Ep5 is just around the corner, why not a Ep5 Screenshot atleast
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on October 24, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
I'm just going to say that there are many things wrong with this line of thinking and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on October 24, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
Don't have any good footage yet, I guess. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on October 31, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
MmmHmm. It's just so sad that's it's taking 1,000 Years to complete the final chapter  :suffer:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on October 31, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on November 01, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
MmmHmm. It's just so sad that's it's taking 1,000 Years to complete the final chapter  :suffer:

Uh...is that sarcasm? It's hard to tell with written text.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on November 06, 2014, 10:45:17 AM
Nope. It's really going to be 1000 years. Sorry about that. :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on November 06, 2014, 10:04:34 PM
Excellent! I will sent a reminder for my great, great, great... etc. grandchildren. I am sure they will love it!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on November 16, 2014, 07:55:04 AM
Thread has been cleaned once again.

Excellent! I will sent a reminder for my great, great, great... etc. grandchildren. I am sure they will love it!  :rofl:

We know it's taking a while and we're doing our best to finish TSL. We can't give a release date yet, but we'll be sure to announce it when we know ourselves. :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 16, 2014, 08:22:03 AM
That's what I figured. Thanks, bud!

Oh, and thanks for cleaning the thread too!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on November 16, 2014, 01:08:13 PM
All in a day's work!  ;D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on November 16, 2014, 02:45:25 PM
All in a day's work!  ;D

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a84/seagis/keepers/good-jorb.gif)

I for one have had enough of the drama in these forums. If there's any more, I won't be a part of it.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on November 17, 2014, 05:57:37 AM
That's all I ask
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on November 17, 2014, 09:48:01 PM
Thread has been cleaned once again.

Excellent! I will sent a reminder for my great, great, great... etc. grandchildren. I am sure they will love it!  :rofl:

We know it's taking a while and we're doing our best to finish TSL. We can't give a release date yet, but we'll be sure to announce it when we know ourselves. :)
So.. you know I was joking, right? Related to your 1000 years comment? Man... It's so hard to tell anymore.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on November 18, 2014, 05:38:45 AM
Thread has been cleaned once again.

Excellent! I will sent a reminder for my great, great, great... etc. grandchildren. I am sure they will love it!  :rofl:

We know it's taking a while and we're doing our best to finish TSL. We can't give a release date yet, but we'll be sure to announce it when we know ourselves. :)
So.. you know I was joking, right? Related to your 1000 years comment? Man... It's so hard to tell anymore.
Yes I know, don't worry. :P

Sorry if things got a bit weird D:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on November 19, 2014, 08:01:38 AM
Yes I know, don't worry. :P

Sorry if things got a bit weird D:
Oh gosh, no need to say sorry! It probably wasn't the best thing to joke about! I think this is why I lurk more than post...  Forgive me for my joke? I love you guys!  :smitten:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on November 19, 2014, 08:32:44 AM
Aww thank you! And there's no need to apologize either. Feel free to post around the forums whenever you like!  ;D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 19, 2014, 09:30:47 AM
I like you, boopish. You're sane and don't complain!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: boopish on November 19, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
Thank you stika!  ;D
I like you too, GrahamRocks!

Hurray! Happy good feelings for everyone!  :hug:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on December 10, 2014, 02:51:11 AM
You all are way to funny  :rofl:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on December 27, 2014, 07:09:55 PM
Guess the game is placed on hold indefinitely  >:(
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: DreamFan on December 28, 2014, 10:34:08 AM
Lies I tell you! Our beloved team of developers will not let us down, of this we can be certain.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on December 29, 2014, 03:42:38 AM
Well Ep5 better come out Before KQ2015 or else TSL is truly Dead :(
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on December 29, 2014, 06:02:13 AM
I can't give an exact date on when it will be ready, but I don't think the two are related. TSL is a freeware fan-sequel, I don't think it's trying to compete with KQ2015 or vice-versa. :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on December 29, 2014, 09:38:17 AM
Do we even know the release date of KQ2015 yet, other than the fact that it's in 2015?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ThunderChild on December 29, 2014, 04:14:02 PM
I can't give an exact date on when it will be ready, but I don't think the two are related. TSL is a freeware fan-sequel, I don't think it's trying to compete with KQ2015 or vice-versa. :)
Wetter related or not, I envision some problem with TSL and the upcoming *official* King's Quest release. If that game turns out to be a good game, then I don't think that people will try a fan made game besides the official one.

If the next instalment turns out to be just as hideous as the "newest" Dungeon Keeper for instance, then King's Quest will be as good as the last game and I don't think people will then play a fan made game after facing such disappointment . . .
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on December 29, 2014, 05:14:15 PM
I actually play the fanmade KQ games more often than the official ones. I don't know how many other people this applies to, though.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on December 29, 2014, 11:46:23 PM
^Yeah, me too.  I still play the AGD version of KQ3 every now and then, just to see how much stuff I can get away with, without Manannan catching me.  I can't remember the last time I played any of the originals.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on December 30, 2014, 12:28:30 AM
Full Scale Model of Daventry Throne Room i build and ready for Download
http://daventrychris.deviantart.com/art/Castle-Daventry-Throne-Room-by-Daventry-503361879
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: colin on December 30, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
I can't give an exact date on when it will be ready, but I don't think the two are related. TSL is a freeware fan-sequel, I don't think it's trying to compete with KQ2015 or vice-versa. :)
Wetter related or not, I envision some problem with TSL and the upcoming *official* King's Quest release. If that game turns out to be a good game, then I don't think that people will try a fan made game besides the official one.

If the next instalment turns out to be just as hideous as the "newest" Dungeon Keeper for instance, then King's Quest will be as good as the last game and I don't think people will then play a fan made game after facing such disappointment . . .
I don't think there will be any problem with tsl and the kq2015 game. What ever happens with kq2015 the people
who will be playing tsl episode 5 will be people who have appreciated the previous episodes.
And I also enjoy playing the fan made kq games over the originals.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Blowfish64 on January 03, 2015, 07:26:58 PM
I notice that Phoenix Online posted a news bulletin that they are currently looking for new games to publish.  I had an idea.  Maybe you could finish the ones you started first.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on January 04, 2015, 07:12:51 AM
I notice that Phoenix Online posted a news bulletin that they are currently looking for new games to publish.  I had an idea.  Maybe you could finish the ones you started first.

I totally here.  Makes perfect sense.  Blowfish64 is the only rational person here at this moment.  I feel as if I am going to wait forever and a day before the project is complete.  Or when my hair turns gray whichever comes first heh!
Come on phenix please don't let us good folks down.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 04, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Yeah, it's not like you being condescending is helping at all. It's not like they WANT it being delayed. It's not like people like you complaining constantly about the delays and saying to complete it now even though they need money to run their damn company in the first place is helping it go any faster.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ThunderChild on January 04, 2015, 11:34:46 AM
I don't think there will be any problem with tsl and the kq2015 game. What ever happens with kq2015 the people
who will be playing tsl episode 5 will be people who have appreciated the previous episodes.
And I also enjoy playing the fan made kq games over the originals.
That only depends heavily on how long it will take the dev team to finish and release Episode 5 and how long the interest in TSL can be kept or otherwise held.

For instance: Half-Life 2. Episode 2 was the last instalment of the series which saw its release back in autumn 2007, which is already over seven years ago (already longer then between HL1 and HL2). The point I'm trying to convey here, is that the commercial Half-Life is a much stronger name then the freeware TSL will ever be and the longer Episode 5 takes, the more difficult it will become to spark any interest in a larger audience, especially when stronger titles are released in the same period . . .
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 05, 2015, 06:30:41 AM
And thus! New Years is past us! I hope everyone had a wonderful Holiday! :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 06, 2015, 01:41:45 PM
Do you have a percentage of how much is finished on episode 5, Stika? Even if it's a guess? 50%? 80%?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC8qrH3Zwog

...12%?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 07, 2015, 07:53:52 AM
I'm afraid I don't :P

Also, I just saw that movie for the first time the other day, I SO want a dancing groot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GncYQHBJIw
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 07, 2015, 10:23:34 AM
The Honest Trailers nailed it for that movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyJqGtP-wU
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 07, 2015, 10:25:42 AM
I saw that, they were right on the money. Although, I'm one of those weirdos who actually LIKED The Man of Steel.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 07, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
I got through most of this and at certain points I almost felt insulted because well... I kind of liked that they were able to get the sillier elements of comics into their movies and people liked it... I am quite tired of this current generation of audience's abhorrence for anything even slightly silly unless it is a children's movie.

But then it said "What are you gonna do about it? Watch DC"

and I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Since even the worst Marvel Movie (well theater release movie) is currently kicking the butt of the best DC movie release. (Unless I go back far enough to when it was The Dark Knight 1 and 2 versus Fantastic 4 1 and 2...)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 07, 2015, 02:23:56 PM
The worst Marvel Cinematic Universe movie is probably The Incredible Hulk, which had the misfortune to come out the same year as The Dark Knight. But as it is, even other MCU movies that are considered to be of lower quality than others (Iron Man 2 and Thor are probably the biggest examples) are still better than a lot of the crap that somehow makes it to the theaters these days. And they're definitely doing better than DC is doing, post-Nolan-Batman movies. Green Lantern, Green Hornet and Man of Steel all did quite poorly with critics, and only Man of Steel was profitable.

By the way, Neonivek, you needn't feel insulted by the video. They came out and said that it was a fun movie right at the beginning, and the few put-downs that they directed at it (underdeveloped alien villain with backstory you could care less about) are actually valid, unlike most of the negativity directed at it, which could be summed up as "it's not DC, and it's popular, so it sucks." Thankfully, the naysayers against Guardians of the Galaxy are so few in number that they might as well seek witness protection if they actually come out and say anything bad about it. It's probably one of the most beloved superhero movies in years. I wasn't sure they were going to top The Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, but they went and did so. A job well done, Marvel.

Now to see if Ant-Man will actually be any good...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xInh3VhAWs8

It looks awfully serious, given that it's, well, Ant-Man we're talking about here. At least the dialogue makes it apparent that Marvel is aware of just how stupid the name "Ant-Man" sounds.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 07, 2015, 06:50:04 PM
Saw Guardians for the first time myself recently. Was a good movie! Not the greatest movie ever, but still very good. Though the fact that I am not very knowledgable about the source material plus the fact that I watched it on a plane ride which effects your hearing probably had something to do with that. :)

Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 07, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
It was definitely a movie to see in theaters.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 08, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
The incredible Hulk is the second movie, right? The one where it's both a sequel and a reboot?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 08, 2015, 09:38:51 AM
Saw Guardians for the first time myself recently. Was a good movie! Not the greatest movie ever, but still very good. Though the fact that I am not very knowledgable about the source material plus the fact that I watched it on a plane ride which effects your hearing probably had something to do with that. :)

It was a LOT looser with the source material then you would think.

It was somewhat closer to their Ultimate counterpart though.

Though why they picked that villain is honestly beyond me... If you aren't going to make the Kree themselves the villain... don't use him.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 08, 2015, 02:41:57 PM
The incredible Hulk is the second movie, right? The one where it's both a sequel and a reboot?

Yep. It came out right after Iron Man, and considering Iron Man was extremely well-respected at the time of its release, Hulk seemed like a pretty disappointing follow-up. To this day, it's the one movie Marvel has never called back to in any of their subsequent films. Not even the characters from Hulk besides Bruce Banner himself (getting recast in the process) have gotten any screentime outside that one movie. It's kind of an oddball movie, and if there's any film you can skip, it's this one.

Saw Guardians for the first time myself recently. Was a good movie! Not the greatest movie ever, but still very good. Though the fact that I am not very knowledgable about the source material plus the fact that I watched it on a plane ride which effects your hearing probably had something to do with that. :)

It was a LOT looser with the source material then you would think.

It was somewhat closer to their Ultimate counterpart though.

Though why they picked that villain is honestly beyond me... If you aren't going to make the Kree themselves the villain... don't use him.

Marvel seems to enjoy messing around with their villains, I've noticed. Anyone who's seen Iron Man 3 is aware of the now-infamous Mandarin plot twist, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier really had fun turning established comics SHIELD characters who were good guys into bad guys, a trend which carries on in Agents of SHIELD. Agents also gives us new spins on comics characters like Deathlok, Mockingbird, Blizzard, Kraken, and Mr. Hyde. (Some of those are sorta spoilers, and few are referred to by their superhero/villain moniker, but if you're an avid Marvel comics reader, then it's not like you couldn't guess who they were.)

In the comics, Ronan the Accuser was an honorable Kree warrior who respected his race's laws and customs. In the movie, though, he's a pretty one-dimensional warlord-type character who is rather forgettable, similar to Thor: The Dark World's villain, Malekith. I also don't believe Nebula is affiliated with Ronan in the comics. Nebula is a space pirate in the comics; in the movie, she's an angry chick with daddy issues. Not the best upgrade for the character.

We can forgive all that, though. The movie was mainly about setting up the good guys, not the bad guys. The first of any superhero movie series usually doesn't have a very good bad guy, to make room for the good guy's character development. Iron Man had Obadiah Stane, one of Jeff Bridges' least memorable characters. Captain America: The First Avenger had Red Skull, a very phoned-in performance from Hugo Weaving. Batman Begins had Ra's al Ghul, who, while not a bad character, was definitely not as memorable as the Joker or Bane from the second and third movies. Loki seems to be the exception, and even then, he wasn't at his strongest in the first Thor movie.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 10, 2015, 11:52:19 AM
Yeah the Grand Accuser at least makes sense in that he has almost always been an antagonist... But that really is as far as it goes.

Sometimes I think it is because they don't know how to handle certain villains.

Galactus is probably the one villain none of these movies should touch... because he isn't really a good action movie villain. Heck in the cartoon they had to seriously downgrade his heralds the first time and then make him a complete moron who doesn't know how to use his own technology the second.

Yet he is always the villain everyone wants to use eventually. In that respect why not just make Abraxis or Shuma the main villain?

You know what villain I wish was one of the villains for the Avengers movie? Dr. Doom. Too bad that is impossible. One cartoon did Dr. Doom right, make him seem always one step ahead and even when you trick him he either still won or you broke even. The other (which is considered a continuation of that series... by less talented people) sort of made him a blowheart buffoon who is constantly toyed with by the Avengers.

Still though I am DREADING the Justice League movie and Batman Versus Superman movie with every fiber of my being... Since I don't have much faith they will handle any of these characters well. Heck Wonderwoman and Aquaman especially I am expecting nothing good from. (never mind that Superman has kind of become Batman 2.0 so his "hope" of the trinity is kind of questionable)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 10, 2015, 02:26:55 PM
About Superman basically being Batman 2.0...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwleKgkc8Ys

...this video sums it up perfectly. (Note that this came out when the release date for Batman v. Superman was still scheduled for 2015, hence the title card at the end.)

Given that they've said that Dr. Doom in the new Fantastic Four reboot is literally a blogger whose username is "Dr. Doom," I think it's pretty safe to say that we won't get a good live-action Dr. Doom for a long, long time. The villains in the X-Men movies are quite good, however, garish costumes aside (that Juggernaut costume, man).

The villains in The Amazing Spider-Man movies are wonderfully amateurish. You know you're in trouble when Willem Dafoe hamming it up in one of the least dignified roles of his career is a much better Green Goblin than your "realistic, grounded" one is. It doesn't help that the new Green Goblin has been downgraded from "tormented scientist" to "pissy teenager." The Lizard was incredibly forgettable, I couldn't stand Electro, and the Rhino is probably the worst supervillain I've seen on the big screen in years.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 10, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
You know... I could understand changing it so Dr.Doom's last name isn't "Von Doom" and possibly giving him some other source for his name.

But a blogger? Dr.Doom before turning evil is supposed to be brilliant.

Ok OK... my naïve hope is that maybe Dr.Doom is a brilliant renaissance man who also has a blog where he goes by the name of Dr.Doom.

Dr. Doom isn't like most villains where you can just blandly execute him. He is like the Joker, and if he doesn't steal the show from the actual hero a few times... you didn't do your job.

Otherwise all you have is some scientist in super armor.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 10, 2015, 08:34:30 PM
Well, it's not likely that the new Dr. Doom will be any good, but we can always hope. The old one had problems, too. You know you're in trouble when the bad guy is more sympathetic than the good guys. Doom was only the villain in the early Fantastic Four movies because the heroes were idiots.

There's been a leaked photo of the new Doom costume on the Internet. And it...

(http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/media_gallery_image/public/ff-doctor-doom-1.jpg?itok=9jQYaS6V)

...looks pretty bad. Is he supposed to look like a mummy?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 10, 2015, 11:43:08 PM
Dr. Doom being sympathetic isn't tough as he has many admirable traits. I like it when writers don't forget the nuance to his character such as his genuine care for Latveria, or the fact that his plans for the world are not an illusion. He was horrifically out of character in Fantastic Four 2...

Looking at that picture... and OWWW it almost physically pains me to see that.

Don't get me wrong the comics often don't do Dr. Doom justice... but it doesn't mean I don't know when he is done right.

The issue with Dr.Doom is usually one of three things
1) They make him too villainous: He genuinely does believe he can help the world and probably can AND his goal is to prove his superiority to Reed Richards. As well he takes great care of Latveria and will help out sometimes if he feels he can lord it over people.
2) They make him too sympathetic: Dr.Doom's scars are his own fault, his vendetta against Reed Richards is his pride being incapable of taking fault. He isn't sympathetic in that you are meant to feel sorry for his situation, he is sympathetic in that as a villain he can be outright heroic. There is a genuinely good person within Dr.Doom. Don't make him the woobie.
3) Making Dr.Doom so stupid: Look, you don't "outsmart" Dr.Doom unless you have an amazingly written plot. You better have some good reason for Dr.Doom to have egg on his face. If the data disk you gave him was secretly a virus, sure... let him believe it is the real disk only to see it is a virus... Don't actually let the virus wipe out his hard drive with him yelling to the sky. Let him effortlessly remove the virus and say a cool line. Yeah the heroes outsmarted him, but it leaves Dr.Doom some Dignity. Never remove his dignity.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on January 11, 2015, 08:44:32 AM
I don't think there will be any problem with tsl and the kq2015 game. What ever happens with kq2015 the people
who will be playing tsl episode 5 will be people who have appreciated the previous episodes.
And I also enjoy playing the fan made kq games over the originals.
That only depends heavily on how long it will take the dev team to finish and release Episode 5 and how long the interest in TSL can be kept or otherwise held.

For instance: Half-Life 2. Episode 2 was the last instalment of the series which saw its release back in autumn 2007, which is already over seven years ago (already longer then between HL1 and HL2). The point I'm trying to convey here, is that the commercial Half-Life is a much stronger name then the freeware TSL will ever be and the longer Episode 5 takes, the more difficult it will become to spark any interest in a larger audience, especially when stronger titles are released in the same period . . .

There is no more interest in the project?  ??? Smh
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 11, 2015, 05:20:01 PM
Nobody said that. What they said is that the project could potentially lose interest from its audience. And granted, given how long it's been since episode 4 was released, it's probably accurate that TSL has lost quite a few fans. I wonder how many average people who played it even remember it now.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 11, 2015, 07:21:30 PM
To admit I have a hard time remembering when the episodes start or end.

Which I don't know is a compliment, as they blend the episodes in so perfectly that one episode just slips into the next (HMMM TELLTALE YOU THINK YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING HERE!?!), or if it means the episodes are so samey that one cannot tell the difference.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 11, 2015, 07:33:34 PM
Well, it doesn't help that every episode takes place in the same location, just slightly bigger each time.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 12, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Well, it doesn't help that every episode takes place in the same location, just slightly bigger each time.

To admit though it does make each game feel bigger then the last.

As you have all the previous locations and this one... yet an expanded list of what to do without you needing to re-tred for the extra items you may have missed.

Yeah I don't make my dislike of Telltale hidden. Mostly because
A) Other then Daedelic they are the only ones prolific in making Adventure games
B) They really should know better.
C) I hope they eventually hear this and improve
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 12, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
Considering this is the same group of people who not only brought us that awful Jurassic Park game, but also created fake Metacritic accounts to boost its score, I doubt they listen to anyone.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 12, 2015, 03:29:26 PM
*rolls eyes* ...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 12, 2015, 04:07:56 PM
Yes, God forbid you hear any legitimate criticism about your precious TellTale Games.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 12, 2015, 07:20:11 PM
Look, let me just say that what I have seen of TellTale's stuff has been pretty darn good so far. I do admit that I haven't heard many good things about Jurassic Park (which is a shame IMO since I like TT's stuff so far and happen to be a JP fan), but every other game I've heard of has been getting praise.

But, of course, you won't even grant me that when you bring up Tales of Monkey Island and that it's ugly when I say it's not and in fact, I consider it the best of the MI series.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 12, 2015, 09:19:41 PM
I wouldn't be so hard on you if you would just tell me why you like certain things, like King's Quest 7 and, well, any TellTale Games product. All you've ever done is go, "Well I like it!" So what if you do? I don't give a sh*t if you like things I don't like. I just don't know what on earth you see in them and would love to know what it is you like about them. I made a very thorough argument about why I don't like KQ7 a while ago and you never even tried to come to its defense. So now's your chance. Explain what it is you like about either KQ7 or TellTale Games products, I don't care which. I want to know.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 13, 2015, 11:37:07 AM
I don't HATE Telltale's games...

They are just incredibly flawed.

In fact it is because I don't hate their work that it bugs me the most.

Back to the Future actually hit some great heights but never EVER continued its momentum from one episode to the next and had to do the "slow start up" every single time. The biggest shame being that its last episode was just terrible but had a great ending. Funny thing? They actually HAD a better last episode in mind but ended up not doing it because it was too expensive (you can see what they had in mind by the next episode preview... It was pretty epic)

But everytime I play their games I feel like they would rather just make games like Heavy Rain rather then games like Monkey Island. In fact, all their "best" games have pretty much been Heavy Rain. The Wolf Among Us was interactive Fiction. Heck for a few of their games it would have been a drastic improvement.

After playing SBCG4AP and getting up to Dangeresk 3... I was all gleeful because as a premise this was going to be awesome! only to be blown away by its lack of being awesome... with many of its jokes falling flat because the sight gag was too slow. Often the cheapness of the fake movie was obviously because it would be too expensive to put in the game itself... and the puzzles being soo bad.

I guess what I mean is

I am mad at Telltale games because their games are nothing but 6/10s and are the representatives of the entire genre OR Great Interactive Fiction games... When I know they could make great stuff.

(by the by... On my rating system 5 is ok with the game leaving no real impact... To give you a frame of reference. I am not "anything below 7 is bad")
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 13, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
I personally subscribe to the Rotten Tomatoes school of scoring, wherein a score of 59/100 or below just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 13, 2015, 04:48:49 PM
I don't know how people pay full price for them.

I play them at discount and I feel at the lesser price I've got my money's worth... barely.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 13, 2015, 11:12:33 PM
A wise man named Bob Chipman, better known as "MovieBob", once said:

"Life is short.  Like what you like."
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
A wise man named Bob Chipman, better known as "MovieBob", once said:

"Life is short.  Like what you like."

I shouldn't be so antagonistic towards people who like Telltale games.

Especially not towards GrahamRocks who... well... rocks.

Someday I think they will make good point and clicks that meet my personal standards... but not today.

But for now they are passable and more then good enough for their many fans.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 14, 2015, 03:25:46 PM
And in the words of Zork: Grand Inquisitor: I am the boss of you! :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDDW26pOO0
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 15, 2015, 02:58:57 AM
Well, I am surprised no one ever brought up the "Life is short, do what you like" includes ragging on games.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 16, 2015, 01:33:00 PM
And in the words of Zork: Grand Inquisitor: I am the boss of you! :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDDW26pOO0

What the hell did I just watch?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 20, 2015, 02:08:38 PM
You never played Zork: Grand Inquisitor? You have to play it one day. It's available on GOG :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 21, 2015, 03:08:47 PM
Never even heard of it. Then again, I'm assuming most people have never heard of my new signature, so what goes around comes around.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 21, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
Yeah I actually don't know that sig!

As for the Zork games, the first ones were amongst the first text adventure games ever made. The last few titles were first person point and click adventures. They focus heavily on humor, but the games are really well made. I highly recommend them.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 21, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
I recognize your sig, Numbers. Some of it anyway. I recognize the name Retsupurae.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 21, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
Retsupurae does Mystery Science Theater-style riffs on silly video games. They did a riff on KQ5, which they enjoyed for how thoroughly dumb it was. The top right image is actually the bear, which instantly became a meme amongst their fanbase for how he literally decks Graham if you get too close to him. However, they're most famous for their riff on Darkseed 2, a hilariously awful game that stars the wimpy Mike Dawson as its protagonist, which you might remember from this image:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbx96d1q4d1qg619qo1_r1_400.gif)

The bottom middle picture in my sig is of this very scene. This image is kind of iconic, as far as their fanbase goes. It's shown at the very beginning of this "best of" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Dq5CxWy44
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 21, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
Quote
The top right image is actually the bear, which instantly became a meme amongst their fanbase for how he literally decks Graham if you get too close to him.

Yeah.  It's also ironic that the narrator tells you not to feed the bears afterward, when that actually turns out to be the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 22, 2015, 07:58:57 AM
Gonna have to watch these then. I hope they do one on Zork :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
Just skip their Kings Quest 7 one and their Cobra first person shooter one.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 22, 2015, 02:13:38 PM
They've done riffs on King's Quests 5, 6, and (sort of) 7. The KQ5 one is pretty funny. The KQ6 one is a little slow, mostly because the person playing the game didn't show any of the death scenes. It gets better when Jollo shows up. As for the KQ7 riff, they, their audience, and the person doing the playthrough all hated the game so much that they called it quits at the halfway point.

There are two different Cobra games they've done; Cobra Space Adventures, and Cobra 3D: The Shooting. Stay far away from 3D, it's outright intolerable to watch even with their commentary. Space Adventures is much better, and has several moments of outright hilarity, although it's very NSFW between the gory violence and the (thankfully censored) nudity. Like Darkseed 2, Space Adventures is a very, very long game, so expect a big time investment should you watch it.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 22, 2015, 04:58:12 PM
I'm trying to remember who the blond guy is underneath Ridley. He looks SO familiar...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 22, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
Amusingly enough, that's Cobra, the guy I've been talking about.

The characters on the top row, from left to right, are: Guy Kazama from Last Alert, Graham from King's Quest 5, Rock Knight from Cobra Space Adventures, Samus Aran as she appears in Metroid: Other M, and the bear from KQ5. The characters in the middle row are Anna from Deep Fear, Ridley from Other M, the Retsupurae logo, Ted Hartrup from Ambition, and Doc from It Came From the Desert. The characters on the bottom row are the protagonist from Arrival in Hell, Cobra, Mike Dawson from Darkseed 2, John Mayor from Deep Fear, and Parrot Grass, also from Cobra Space Adventures.

The poster seems a bit dated now, because there have been plenty of other riffs they've done with characters that would be better suited for this poster at this point. A few games with good characters off the top of my head are Alone in the Dark 2, Urban Runner, The Town with No Name, Shadow of Destiny, Earnest Evans, Hopkins FBI, Galerians, Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend, and most recently, Deep Freeze.

What I'm getting at is there's a lot of material they've worked on over the years.

It's always fun to read the comments below their videos and see how many user avatars are related to stuff they've done. At one point, I saw someone whose avatar was the shocked expression Valanice makes when Rosella is snatched away from her in the opening cutscene to KQ7. It's probably because her eyes are shaped like protractors in that shot, as one of them put it.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 22, 2015, 08:13:24 PM
Huh. And here I thought Parrot Grass was a Bellsprout.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 22, 2015, 08:40:39 PM
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120505124921/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/thumb/5/59/Lolololololol_bellsprout.gif/240px-Lolololololol_bellsprout.gif)

You need to see their Cobra Space Adventures riff just for the Parrot Grass plot twist. That alone makes sitting through the rest of the game worth it. Darkseed 2 and Ambition are other games that have great unexpected turns at the end that make it worth sitting down and watching the whole things. Then there are the games like Urban Runner that are just a whole mess of unexpected plot developments...

I highly recommend watching the games I just listed, but only watch them if you have a lot of time on your hands. You'd best start with Urban Runner, as that's the shortest of the games recommended here.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 22, 2015, 09:07:12 PM
What's funny is I don't usually watch them for their riffs on games. I watch them for their riffs on bad Let's Players.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 22, 2015, 09:22:44 PM
I mostly watch them for the games. They definitely put bad LPers in their place but there are only so many PewDiePie knockoffs I can take.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 22, 2015, 09:34:31 PM
Urgh... PewDiePie... I'm so tempted to watch something of his just to see what the fuss is all about, but I dunno...

I'll stick with LPers with actual good, funny, informative commentary, like Chuggaaconroy, thank you.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 22, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
Don't forget about ToeGoff and PawDugan.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 23, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
Urgh... PewDiePie... I'm so tempted to watch something of his just to see what the fuss is all about, but I dunno...

I'll stick with LPers with actual good, funny, informative commentary, like Chuggaaconroy, thank you.

There are quite the arrangement of Letsplayers and oddly enough when I think about my top four favorite letsplayers... I notice what a gambit there is.

My favorite informative letsplayer I forgot the name of but (s)he (I forget) did a "Alone in the Dark" letsplay that was extremely informative right down to her actually finding the books the books in the games are based on.

Chip and Ironicus are both funny and usually informative and while I don't like ALL their letsplays (I don't like their No More Heroes one) I do like how they seem like they are genuinely having fun and enjoying themselves.

Then there is Coulis who isn't that informative, other then about French, but I just love his wit and charm... I wish he did more then three letsplays of any note (and one of them is forever incomplete)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 23, 2015, 06:54:12 PM
The Achievement Hunter LPs of Grand Theft Auto V and Minecraft are pretty amusing. They're crude and rely on "guy humor" way too much, but Gavin and Ray make it all worth it. They're nice time-wasters if you want to watch a group of nerds doing what they love, and basically accomplishing nothing of worth in literally hundreds of videos.

I should note that their LPs are definitely not for everyone, and it took me a while to get into their videos, especially when you have to keep track of six different voices at once. It gets easier when you recognize one of them as a Red vs. Blue voice actor, and Gavin's distinctive, not-very-masculine British accent is easily discerned.

One other thing I should note is that the Retsupurae duo get a lot of crap from people who basically say "If you think you're so smart, why don't you do Let's Plays?" They both already have. Slowbeef was the very first person to do a Let's Play, and Diabetus is an extremely skilled player who successfully Let's Played Battletoads, a notoriously difficult game. Both of them have done excellent LPs of Dark Souls as well. Right now, Retsupurae is doing a Let's Play of Sonic 2006, and despite being video game aficionados, both of them are going in blind, which leads to hilarity when Slowbeef gets to the infamous Silver boss fight having no idea how to beat it.
(https://d1sb2vhc1h1lwk.cloudfront.net/designs/84526/Preview/535a62/grid.jpg)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 24, 2015, 02:55:47 PM
Just watched my first series by Game Grumps, Punch Out Wii, the other day. Pretty funny! Don't know why I avoided watching them for so long.

Of COURSE I can't forget Toegoff and Paw! The latter introduced me to Sierra and the KQ series, the former introduced me to you guys! Heck, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't care about Ccognition.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 24, 2015, 09:02:29 PM
I never really got into Game Grumps. They're not very good at playing most of the time, for one thing...also, I can't stand EgoRaptor.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 25, 2015, 07:59:26 PM
I like their Castlevania 1 and Castlevania 4 videos. I watched their Aladdin for the Sega Genesis video, but they're really anti-Sega, so it was hard for me to watch it as a Sega fanboy. :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 26, 2015, 06:40:40 PM
I never really got into Game Grumps. They're not very good at playing most of the time, for one thing...also, I can't stand EgoRaptor.

Honestly there are two things that PISS me off in any letsplay

1) Meandering around
and
2) Being bad at videogames...

and dear goodness do the Gaming Grumps have both of these in spades. Even as a child I was better at Kirby Superstar then they were.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 26, 2015, 07:36:42 PM
I got standards too, actually.

1. Good engaging commentary- make me laugh within the first few episodes or at least keep my interest in what you actually know about the game or what you're doing. Unless you're playing blind, then just either make me laugh or preferably be playing a game I haven't seen or played before myself. Don't drone, be happy and ready to play!

2. Good quality videos- I don't really care if you have a webcam in the corner (Markplier and lately Enchantermon come to mind), but PLEASE use some sort of capture program and not a camcorder.  Same goes with audio.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 26, 2015, 11:34:12 PM
True I have standards too.

But I wanted to list something that is a disqualification that wasn't necessarily "Bad".

Yeah I dislike bad videos too.

But a letsplay where they meander about a lot and can't play the game to save their lives isn't necessarily a "bad letsplay".

While boring, droning, stupid commentary over blurry oversaturated videos that look like you are staring into the sun... are bad.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 27, 2015, 07:08:06 AM
I generally like their jokes. Most of the time I don't even watch LPs, I have the running in the background and I listen to them while I work.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 27, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
I only like webcams when there are actual reactions for us to see. I'm not talking about fake overacting while playing horror games (PewDiePie again and Markiplier to an extent), I'm talking about genuine reactions to the stuff they're seeing on screen. I liked PushingUpRoses' Let's Play of F*ck Quest that she played alongside Oancitizen because near the end of the playthrough, during a particularly nauseating bit, it showed their horrified and disgusted reactions to the game's "climax" (pun intended). And it was hilarious.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 27, 2015, 11:09:07 AM
I don't remember there being a webcam for PUR's LP of that?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 27, 2015, 11:58:35 AM
The windows showing PUR and Oancitizen's reactions are only shown at the very end. You kind of have to sit through the rest of the game leading up to that point to get it. The uncensored version is even funnier when you realize what they're seeing.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 27, 2015, 04:04:49 PM
I remember watching that LP, but I don't remember that. Or maybe I just blocked so much of that game from my mind. Y'know... it's meant to be a Leisure Suit Larry parody, and I'll be the first to admit that LSL isn't one of my favorites. I could rant all day about how I wished they'd stopped after 3, since things were ended so perfectly. 5 had a plot, but it didn't engage me at all, and all I wanted was to see Larry and Patti get back together... and even THAT got screwed over at the end! 6 had NO plot whatsoever, other than "Larry goes to resort with pretty ladies, hijinks ensue" and the only part of that I liked was the ending. It just seemed a rehash of the first game where Larry had the motive of "I want to get laid!" which hijinks like these were fine in the first game because that was the point. Here, no need. 7 was annoying to me too, none of the characters were appealing to me, not even Larry anymore. You know a game is bad when the only time I laughed was during the Clinton Comedy stuff, which I don't think was meant to be funny, and the only reason I laughed was I like puns, good and bad. It says something when LSL Reloaded, a game reviled by the fandom (why I'm not sure), makes me laugh harder than any of the later games from the Ways to Die.

...Wow I really got sidetracked from my original point, didn't I? Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, as a LSL parody it's not nearly as funny and when LSL cracks sex jokes they either go for obvious or subtlety. That game went for the former and wasn't funny.

Speaking of LPs, you know what I'd like to see? Whether it's done by me someday or someone else, I'd love to see someone do an LP of TSL that ISN'T blind. If I had the proper equipment and knew how to work it (I don't), I could probably do it. Played all four episodes three times now, once when I first got it, the second just for fun, and the third was due to me wanting to do my final project for Drawing II in college as a tribute to it and I needed screenshots. The only puzzle I ever have trouble with is the one where you look for two certain items in a certain hedge maze.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 27, 2015, 07:02:52 PM
Huh...upon looking it up, it appears that Love for Sail, which you claim to hate, was actually extremely well-received.

Then Magna Cum Laude came (unintentional pun) and the series rapidly went downhill. As Al Lowe put it, Magna Cum Laude was "like getting a videotape from your son's kidnapper; on the one hand, you're glad he's still alive, but on the other, my God, look what they've done to him!"

Then...Box Office Bust. Where to start. You know how sometimes a new game in a franchise will come out, and it'll face withering criticism, and you think to yourself, "Ah, it's just unpleasable fanboys, it can't possibly be that bad?" And then you actually see footage of the game, and it really is that bad? That's Box Office Bust for me. I didn't believe the negativity surrounding it, but then I saw gameplay footage of it...It's kind of like when Sonic 2006 came out. I thought, "eh, Sonic's got a lot of diehard fanboys who hate change, I'm sure there's nothing really wrong with it." And then I saw this (hilarious) review of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV5xBYy7uDs

Um. Well.

Sierra's had their fair share of franchise killers. Mask of Eternity, Space Quest 6, Quest for Glory 5...but none of them come close to being as bad as Box Office Bust, which is considered one of the worst games of all time. Not just one of the worst adventure games, one of the worst games, period. It's literally a miracle how bad the game is. On IMDB, Love For Sail has an 8.6/10. Box Office Bust has a 3/10.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 27, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
Wow....

And yeah, I knew about MCL and BOB already. All my knowledge of LSL comes from Rudy from Sierra Chest, and he hasn't done those yet. Or Reloaded, for that matter. So I barely have any knowledge on them yet. *shrugs* Aside from Bennett the Sage's review of BOB anyway.

What's Magna Cum Laude a pun of, though? I know, I know, I'm naive.

Hey, I liked Quest for Glory 5, dammit! I liked SQ6 too, but not nearly as much as I loved 5. I liked it better than 4, though.

Here's a pretty good review by ClementJ642, which was my introduction to not only him and his Let's Plays, but also Sonic and Mega Man. And Banjo Kazooie. Look, I was a Nintendo kid growing up, I had an NES but very few games for it, and never owned an N64. I know, how sad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dCwwxCL4iyw
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 27, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
I didn't say it was wrong to like Quest for Glory 5 and Space Quest 6, I was just saying that they ended their respective franchises after they clearly peaked with previous entries. For the record, I hate Space Quest 4 and love 5. I don't see why 4 gets so much adoration. Annoying hard-to-remember passwords that reset with each new game, a lousy arcade section, and a buggy-as-hell finale that moves in slow motion. What's to like?

Quest for Glory 4 was also definitely the high point in the series, after which 5 was pretty "meh" in comparison. Early 3D graphics did not help.

As for Magna Cum Laude, its definition, taken directly from Wikipedia:

"Latin honors (Latin honours) are Latin phrases used to indicate the level of distinction with which an academic degree was earned. This system is primarily used in Indonesia, the Philippines, the United States, and many countries of continental Europe, although some institutions use translations of these phrases rather than the Latin originals."

Magna Cum Laude is Latin for "with great honor." The only thing special about it is that the word "cum" is in it. As per LSL fashion.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 28, 2015, 08:37:15 AM
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I didn't say it was wrong to like Quest for Glory 5 and Space Quest 6, I was just saying that they ended their respective franchises after they clearly peaked with previous entries. For the record, I hate Space Quest 4 and love 5. I don't see why 4 gets so much adoration. Annoying hard-to-remember passwords that reset with each new game, a lousy arcade section, and a buggy-as-hell finale that moves in slow motion. What's to like?
Wow, I never thought I'd find someone who didn't like 4. Though I don't like it for different reasons. I don't like it because of the plot and can't stand the acting (save The Narrator of course!), or at least, can't stand Roger Jr.'s acting anyway. Also, one of the things I loved about SQ5 is the fact that Roger actually grew as a character (at least I saw it, dunno about you) and became smarter. Also, the ending is frigging PERFECT- he's not a lowly janitor anymore, he's a Captain. He's got Beatrice who loves him and the future is now secure. He's got a crew who respects him as both their superior and a friend.

And 6 just throws all of that out the window because that's apparently not funny, making Roger out to be a bumbler again, and acting like 5 never happened.

No mention of Gabriel Knight 3?

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Quest for Glory 4 was also definitely the high point in the series, after which 5 was pretty "meh" in comparison. Early 3D graphics did not help.
I don't think it was "meh", I think it's fun! It's my second favorite! Not a perfect game, mind you, but still one of my favorites. For one thing, I HATE THE CLOCK! People complaining about it being too combat oriented... well, I'm playing a Paladin at the moment. Combat is kinda the thing with that class and Fighter anyway, and even then, I have Awe which I use for the first couple Rites anyway. Nobody gets hurt! :) As for the Wizard... you really think that when I have such a huge arsenal of spells (including the Game Breaker Frostbite spell!) that I won't use them to fight back? Now, I haven't played as a Thief yet, so maybe that's where they're coming from about too much combat... but I remember I saw an achievement at the end that said "Go through (I can't remember if was the fishing villages or the fortress or both) without setting off the alarm" so you could probably sneak your way through it.

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As for Magna Cum Laude, its definition, taken directly from Wikipedia:

"Latin honors (Latin honours) are Latin phrases used to indicate the level of distinction with which an academic degree was earned. This system is primarily used in Indonesia, the Philippines, the United States, and many countries of continental Europe, although some institutions use translations of these phrases rather than the Latin originals."

Magna Cum Laude is Latin for "with great honor." The only thing special about it is that the word "cum" is in it. As per LSL fashion.
Ah. Thanks!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
I don't really think Quest for Glory 5 was really a "bad" game.

But as far as the series is concerned 4 was the definitive end of the series there wasn't anywhere to go after that.

So what is your goal of 5? To simply become the greatest hero who was ever lived. Which is fine, it is probably the only way you could do it.

The 5th is different but let me get something straight.

Mask Of Eternity was dreadful because not only was it a bad game but it wasn't a Kings Quest game...

Quest for Glory 5 is a serviceable game and it does everything a Quest For Glory game should.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 28, 2015, 12:57:56 PM
*nods in agreement and smiles* :)

To be honest, I think actually get better it goes along. For me, Wages of War is where things REALLY start getting good. :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 28, 2015, 01:20:09 PM
I liked QFG5, but it did have problems. 

Like all those unnecessary greet options in conversations, when the person is clearly aware of your presence and has already greeted you.  (which is actually more of a problem with the QFG series in general)  The worst example is when you first see Toro in the guild and greet him after he previously said "Good see hero man", only to hear him say it again.  I heard you the first time, Toro!  I'm not deaf, you know!

Or how the wizard was supposed to "solve Naxos without alarm."  Why is that a job for a WIZARD?!  That should be something for a THIEF to do, not a wizard!  Speaking of which, playing a thief in that mission was pretty lame too, as sneaking did pretty much no good at all.  You'd think the game would let you go knocking out all the invaders and stealthily make your way into the main hut to get the sigil.  But if you try to, it says "This is not the time or place for a blackjack attack."  Bullshit!  It's the PERFECT time AND place for a blackjack attack!  Plus, the only way to get into the main hut was to either force your way through the door or knock.  Either way, alerting 3 or 4 armed soldiers to your presence.  Why is he not able to pick the lock and open it carefully, or climb through a window?  He's supposed to AVOID combat, not embrace it!  That's a FIGHTER's job!

Also, when breaking into Minos' mansion to get the blackbird, who's stupid idea was it for alarms to go off after disarming traps, when opening the containers with fireproof oil on doesn't alert anyone?  It should be the other way around.  I mean... who's going to hear an explosion in the room they're guarding and not want to investigate?  And how on earth could they possibly know that someone's stealing from a container in there, if the thief DISARMED the trap?

I'll say this for the thief though.  When engaged to Nawar, at least he returns her embrace in that guild cutscene in the end.  Any hero engaged to Elsa, Katrina, or Erana just stands there with his arms down; while she goes up to him and embraces him.  Some lover he is!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 28, 2015, 01:57:26 PM
Everything wrong with QfG5, right there. Kudos, Jack.

On IMDB, QfG3 has the lowest rating of any QfG game.

I still maintain that MoE is superior to KQ7. You have more creative freedom in a 3D environment than you do in KQ7, where your cursor does everything for you.

On this site, someone goes into great detail on KQ7:
http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/features/83/ (http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/features/83/)

...and elsewhere on the site, awarding it a 2/5.

Meanwhile, also on the same site:
http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/reviews/93/ (http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/reviews/93/)

...MoE gets a perfect 5/5. I just think it's funny how everyone cries about it so much. Immaturity at its finest. I'd rather get a KQ spin-off that doesn't directly relate to the previous games than get something like KQ7 that ruins already established and well-liked characters like Rosella, Valanice and Edgar.

And yeah, Gabriel Knight 3 was...not very good. The Monkey Island games went the same way as soon as 3D was added to the mix.

And GrahamRocks, don't think I've forgotten about you saying that you like TellTale Games while saying bugger-all about why. You have yet to establish what it is that you think TellTale has that LucasArts didn't. If you stay silent, you'll only make yourself look like a fangirl who only likes what she's told to like without ever questioning why. I'll be anxiously awaiting your response.

And on that note, it appears that KQ2015 has finally received its title--King's Quest: Your Legacy Awaits. It's not a numbered sequel, so no calling it KQ9, anybody. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2015, 02:07:49 PM
Dear goodness Numbers GrahamRocks is allowed to like Telltale games.

The problem with Telltale isn't that their games are irredeemably bad but rather that they aren't very good. They are mildly good at best or not a point and click (Honestly Telltale just don't make point and clicks anymore... It is clear your thing is interactive fiction).
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 28, 2015, 05:11:43 PM
Huh. Never thought of that...

Doesn't stop me from enjoying it, but still interesting! I'll remember that for my Thief play through. I had no idea Fire Proofing Oil protects from explosions.

Times like this is when I really wish there was a Sierra mod community like Nexus is for Bethesda games. 

As for you, Numbers...

You wanna know why I like TellTale, huh?

I like the stories that they tell. The fact that they're considered "interactive fiction" doesn't bug me in the slightest, because I think they're good stories. Besides, you can't say ALL of them are bad when, just a year ago, people were saying they really liked The Walking Dead and A Wolf Among Us. I think Telltale has some good characters and builds on the established lore pretty well, at least with BTTF and Monkey Island. All you care about is graphics, saying they look ugly. Oh NO! How horrible! Now, I have not heard good things about Jurassic Park for instance, and looking back over our posts on this, I will admit that having the company create fake accounts to give good reviews is a pretty stupid idea. But does this stop me from liking them? No. See, unlike you, I like to hear a good story in a game, which is rather hard to find these days because either the company made a lackluster plot or people ignore it entirely. Telltale is all about that, and I happen to like that.

I like easier games. I hate getting stuck on puzzles for weeks on end. You know what usually happens if I find myself stuck on a puzzle in an adventure game? I stop playing, even if I'm enjoying the game thus far. A good example? Nancy Drew and the Wolf of Icicle Creek, where there is a puzzle that involves beating a character at a game of Fox and Sheep to get an item. I got stuck horribly and couldn't continue the game until I beat him , and I lost several times. And yes, I checked the HerInteractive forums for help, drawing a picture of the board and looking up strategies. Nothing helped.

Perhaps it's because I never grew up with Sierra or LucasArts (Star Wars games aside), but I'm  not like you guys. I didn't follow the strategy of "save early, save often, don't overwrite saves" and stuff to keep me from unwinnable situations. I don't like having difficult as balls obscure puzzles, because I  don't like being stuck. I wanna complete the game sometime this year, you know? Though I'm sure I would have LOVED Sierra as a kid, unfortunately by the time I would have been old enough to play them, they would probably have either been at their decline or shut down entirely since I was born in 1993, the year Gabriel Knight 1 and Quest for Glory 4 came out. I highly doubt I'd be playing those at 5 years old, you know? They'd probably scare me. I didn't even know what Sierra even was until 4 years ago, and the same applies to LucasArts's adventure games.

Why are you so obsessed with me liking TellTale? It's not the end of the world if I do. And when did I ever say they were better than LA? Also, really? I wasn't told to like them, I grew to like them by myself. That applies to pretty much every game I know about. I hold Let'S Plays in high regard, as they introduce me to games I never would have heard about or cared about. That's how I got into Sierra, Monkey Island, Mass Effect, Pokemon, MOTHER... and before you tell me that LPs will warp my opinion on the games... I reiterate that I still hate the later Larry games, and I doubt I'll agree if I watched an LP of a game and they say it's great. And all I did was watch Rudy's walkthrough.

As for KQ7... I'll have to look back on what you've been saying to refresh my memory, but I can say this: I don't think anybody liked the whole "one cursor interface" thing for that game. Also, I only heard Rosella say a certain line you complained about ONCE. AND, for the record, I never said crying for a puzzle solution was a GOOD idea, I just wondered why you had to do it twice.

As for the protagonists and Edgar... I never detected much of a personality in Rosie in 4. She, like her brother and father up to this point, is a blank slate like so many other early characters in video games. The only emotions I saw were fear and sorrow and happiness. Past the intro, she didn't have any lines I saw. And for Valanice, again, she was a blank slate before this adventure. Unless you look at the Companion, something that you iirc don't consider canon, then we know NOTHING about her or what she's like other than "girl who marries Graham and becomes his Queen and apparently is afraid of the stairs in the tower". And really, you're gonna fault her for being a b**** WHEN HER DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED BY AN UNKNOWN FORCE AND SHE'S STUCK IN A LAND CLEARLY NOT HER OWN?! For all the flack she gets for crying, she only does it canonically TWICE, three times if the comb counts. How would you feel if that were you, forcefully separated from your child, hoping and praying and worrying if they're alright and just wanting to go home?

As for Edgar, I apologize if I've said this before, but I don't mind the retcon of his origins.  Why? Because I think it gives us a parallel to Alexander: kidnapped as a baby, raised by an evil person clearly not his parent, has a greater destiny as a Prince, and falls in love with a Princess.

And for the record, I'm not the only one who likes 7. I can name two more people right off the bat- Akril15 from both here and DeviantArt and JDJANUS aka Josh Henry. Heck, the only reason I didn't post my thoughts on 7 sooner? Because he was basically saying what I was thinking about writing anyway. Don't want to be redundant, you know.

Now then, Numbers. Please, I ask you to just let this go. So I like TT, so I like KQ7, so what? The world's not gonna end if I do. Sure, I may be a minority, sure I may be an oddball and you probably think I'm an idiot for it, but at the end of the day, does it really matter if I like something or not? No, not really. I can't change your mind about it, but neither can you sending me stuff like you linked above change mine.

Now, if you would please leave me alone on this. Nobody else protests to me liking these games, save you.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 28, 2015, 05:51:54 PM
Well, you can't buy the fireproofing oil until after you've killed the Hydra and sold its scales to Salim.  But yeah, if you use it before opening a trapped container or door, you'll be okay.

I also forgot to mention the inn food.  In QFG2, Shema's meals actually sounded good enough for me to want to try in real life.  The gnome inn "meals" on the other hand, I wouldn't touch even if you paid me.  The eating sound was pretty dumb and annoying too.  Thus, whenever I played, I just bought a bunch of food from Marrak and ate some fruit for breakfast and pizza/gyros for dinner.  (since the QFG hero doesn't get hungry for lunch, apparently)

"girl who marries Graham and becomes his Queen and apparently is afraid of the stairs in the tower".

Uhh... how about is afraid of a door that's barred on the other side and has a FREAKIN' LION guarding it?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 28, 2015, 05:53:51 PM
I think Telltale tells great stories and as Neonivek pointed out, there's nothing wrong that. GrahamRocks shouldn't have to feel the need to defend herself from liking any piece of entertainment. The Telltale style of gaming is loved by many for a reason.

If anything needs defending is the fact that I actually like FMV games :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 28, 2015, 05:56:40 PM
Well, the cooks ARE clowns. You expected the food at a Gnome's inn to be not strange? ;)

So you liked GK2, then, Stika? I admit, the first game sucked me almost immediately, the second took a bit for it to grow on me, but it did, but the third game never did. Save the temple at the end.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 28, 2015, 06:08:30 PM
I LOVE GK2. And yes, the terrible acting is one of the major reasons why I love it so much. :P
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 28, 2015, 07:26:46 PM
Lots and lots of text

See? That wasn't so hard, was it? I never said you were wrong for liking things I don't like. I just wanted to know why. I'm not offended by people having a different opinion from me; in fact, I'm fascinated by it. I would love to sit down with someone who actually unironically enjoys Box Office Bust just to see things from their perspective.

Also, sorry if I was too harsh earlier on. I had a really bad day suffering withdrawals from a med I'm addicted to and had no sleep the night before.

If anything needs defending is the fact that I actually like FMV games :P

FMV games are a gold mine of comedy. If I may be so bold as to plug additional Retsupurae videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ocE19YWhs

"I f*cking hate cocaine!"

Then there's this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv7qRKH-OMg

"A tuxedo on a pool player is like ice cream on a hot dog!" *guffaws*

And yes, the entire playing time of both games is only one video long apiece. Guess the companies couldn't afford to shoot any more scenes.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 28, 2015, 07:51:50 PM
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See? That wasn't so hard, was it? I never said you were wrong for liking things I don't like. I just wanted to know why. I'm not offended by people having a different opinion from me; in fact, I'm fascinated by it. I would love to sit down with someone who actually unironically enjoys Box Office Bust just to see things from their perspective.
Well, like I said, Josh said pretty much what I wanted to say anyway. *shrugs*

At least you're civil about it. Thank you, Numbers! :)

Yay, Retsupurae! :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 28, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
My civility comes and goes, unfortunately. You obviously know what the uncivilized side of me is like from a few comments ago...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2015, 09:04:57 PM
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you can't say ALL of them are bad when, just a year ago, people were saying they really liked The Walking Dead and A Wolf Among Us.

That goes into my statement earlier. They are either mediocre point and clicks OR interactive fiction

Neither of those are point and click adventures they are a genre known as interactive fiction... and honestly Telltale should just stop making point and clicks and stick to those.

That way they won't have to bother with "gameplay".
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 29, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
Getting back to the new King's Quest game...Your Legacy Awaits. What are people's thoughts on the title? I think it sounds a bit like Star Wars 7's title, The Force Awakens.

I can just imagine the reviews of the game coming in now...

"This game is good, but also horrible. It's recommended for all ages, except for those it's not recommended for. People who get their jimmies rustled at the sight of a dragon, or a leprechaun, or a tree-type thingy should stay away. Overall, an excellent experience. 666/potato." --IGN
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 29, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
Where did it say that's the official title? The Omnipedia is fan made, and last I saw, it wasn't confirmed and some garner it a mistake on that Wikia or it just being a working tagline for the trailer.

Though if it IS the official title, it applies to Gwendolyn pretty well. "Go on adventures, Gwendolyn! Here, I pass on my cap to you. You legacy awaits! :D" but something tells me that's not the official title, unless Matt and Lindsey have said something about it. What's a KQ game without a witty pun based title, hm?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 29, 2015, 05:05:52 PM
It says what the title is on the King's Quest Wikipedia article and also on the series' TV Tropes page.

It could be argued that Quest for the Crown, The Perils of Rosella and obviously Mask of Eternity aren't pun-based titles. TSL was originally supposed to be Every Cloak Has a Silver Lining before it got shortened, thus removing the pun.

I think a better title would be "King Graham and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull."

Because Graham's really old now.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 29, 2015, 05:21:53 PM
Maybe.  But unlike Dr. Jones, Graham has officially retired from adventuring.  In the new game, he's telling his granddaughter stories about how he became King Edward's finest knight.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 29, 2015, 06:08:51 PM
Yeah, I know. The context is still "Old Graham tells granddaughter stories about himself" and the fact that the game mostly takes place in the past doesn't change anything about his current age. I find myself wondering if the new KQ games are going to kill off Graham, whether it be off-screen of old age, or if his death sets the plot of another game in motion.

Of course, if the new game flops, we'll never know what they had planned.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 29, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
Well again, it's not been confirmed by TOG. *shrugs* What I am wondering though, since it's episodic and the GameInformer article said Gwen meets grandpa every summer, does the entire set of episodes take place over one big long summer or several? I'm assuming it's the  former.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 29, 2015, 09:27:22 PM
That would be my guess.  It'd be a lot of stories for one visit otherwise; which would make it an incredibly long visit.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 29, 2015, 10:09:35 PM
Well, summer lasts longer for kids than it does adults.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on January 29, 2015, 11:32:49 PM
I guess that's true.  Phineas and Ferb can probably vouch for that claim.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 30, 2015, 06:27:01 AM
It's probably one episode of gameplay per day that Gwen is staying with Graham. If, indeed, they put that much thought into it. Most likely there'll be a segregation between the gameplay and the actual amount of time it would take to convey all of that information to someone.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on January 30, 2015, 07:58:19 AM
Lots and lots of text

See? That wasn't so hard, was it? I never said you were wrong for liking things I don't like. I just wanted to know why. I'm not offended by people having a different opinion from me; in fact, I'm fascinated by it. I would love to sit down with someone who actually unironically enjoys Box Office Bust just to see things from their perspective.

Also, sorry if I was too harsh earlier on. I had a really bad day suffering withdrawals from a med I'm addicted to and had no sleep the night before.

If anything needs defending is the fact that I actually like FMV games :P

FMV games are a gold mine of comedy. If I may be so bold as to plug additional Retsupurae videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ocE19YWhs

"I f*cking hate cocaine!"

Then there's this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv7qRKH-OMg

"A tuxedo on a pool player is like ice cream on a hot dog!" *guffaws*

And yes, the entire playing time of both games is only one video long apiece. Guess the companies couldn't afford to shoot any more scenes.
Oh my God! That Jack Slate video is hilarious  :rofl:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on January 30, 2015, 11:04:30 AM
*Random pedestrian jumps into a SWAT trooper's gun sights*

"Oh, sugar!"

*Ducks back down again*
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on January 31, 2015, 09:03:02 PM
Any progress on the Title The Silver Lining? I hope it's close.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on January 31, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Jeez, dude. Please... quit asking that. No news is no news.

Why not occupy yourself and play some of their other games (theirs or sponsored) while you wait? Cognition. Moebius. The Gabriel Knight remake. Face Noir. The Last Door. Quest for Infamy. There are so many games out there you could be focusing on, yet you're still stuck on just one. I know you're anxious, so am I, but my GOD! That's all you ever talk about!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: snabbott on February 02, 2015, 09:15:52 AM
Every time that question is asked, a month's progress is irretrievably lost. :o
Just kidding. Seriously, though, it will be done when it is done.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on February 02, 2015, 03:31:29 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b2/b252b36ce5c266c6da23acdc32f40dd3cd31cc0f625a5badfb37a927a797f55b.jpg)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Jack Stryker on February 02, 2015, 07:55:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4AfA_lebIg
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: JDHJANUS on February 03, 2015, 09:56:38 AM
Wow...So I'm a bit out of touch here. It's been a crazy month.

Not much to say, although I will comment that The Odd Gentlemen confirmed on their Twitter account that "Your Legacy Awaits" is just a tagline, not the actual subtitle for the game. They said that the official subtitle should be announced in February or March, so I'm sure we'll hear something soon.

Talk to you later!

JDHJANUS
Josh
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on February 03, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
Well, there we go. So I was correct!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on February 03, 2015, 10:33:04 AM
You know what we need to tide us over? The soundtracks for episodes 3 and 4. I know the TSL team was wanting to do a complete soundtrack release once episode 5 was finished, but...might as well just release the soundtracks you have right now, given how slow progress is going.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Neonivek on February 03, 2015, 11:04:31 AM
I am going to praise this thread for not using the term "Entitled" which is the one word I want to retire from the human language for its current internet use.

Where instead of being used for: "You are entitled for fair and equal treatment of the law"

It is used for: "You have standards and taste, you are so entitled"
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on February 03, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
*nods in agreement to both Neon and Numbers*
I don't think there's been anybody who doesn't like the soundtrack. Austin did a great job!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on February 03, 2015, 01:29:53 PM
I like how TSL's soundtrack seems like a proper spiritual successor to the original game's soundtracks. Like something from a fairy tale, but with a more modernized orchestration, rather than the simplistic sound ditties from the first four or the synthesized stuff from 5 and onward.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on February 03, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
Speaking of orchestra... I think it would be kinda cool if someone like Skotein made an album of Sierra tunes and reorchestrated them like how you'd hear like in an orchestra or movie.

*sigh* But most Sierra games aside from the big ones like KQ, SQ, QFG, GK and LSL aren't known all that well. I mean, how many know about say, Freddy Pharkas: Frontier Pharmacist? Though Rudy helps!
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: kyranthia on February 03, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
You know what we need to tide us over? The soundtracks for episodes 3 and 4.

Ooh, I like that idea.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on February 10, 2015, 02:29:50 AM
I made the Castle Daventry Throne Room ;)
http://daventrychris.deviantart.com/art/Castle-Daventry-Throne-Room-503361879

Now heres the Hallway   8)
http://daventrychris.deviantart.com/art/Castle-Daventry-Hallway-513456211
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on February 10, 2015, 01:33:02 PM
oooh! Can't wait! :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on February 12, 2015, 10:46:56 AM
It is done

(http://rs258.pbsrc.com/albums/hh257/LexLaw/Flags/popcorn.gif~c200)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: stika on February 12, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
wwhoooo! :jafar:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: daventry on February 12, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
Remember in the Original KQ there were only 2 Knights and 1 Chandelier, well i went for Reality to add more Knights while giving the Hall a little more light in chandeliers
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on April 15, 2015, 01:48:44 PM
Will it be done this year or is the odd gentlemen's version gonna finish first  ;D love the preview to the new game
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on April 15, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
I can almost guarantee that Odd Gentleman's KQ is going to be released first.

See this thread for more details: http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=14394.0 (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=14394.0)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on April 15, 2015, 07:16:12 PM
No complaints here. :)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on April 16, 2015, 11:16:33 AM
I already seen the preview to the new game. I hope it's better than Mask of Eternity by far. As foe The Silver Lining, when will it be done? I hope by the end of this year. Don't let us down Phoenix
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: beernutts on April 21, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
As foe The Silver Lining, when will it be done?

Psst...Never http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=135.msg3047#msg3047 (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=135.msg3047#msg3047)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on April 21, 2015, 02:38:48 PM
Wow. Say's English...let's just say that it's come a ways since back then.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on April 21, 2015, 06:28:35 PM
Wow...

Yeah...

She makes a good point, but... yeah...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: beernutts on April 24, 2015, 02:11:23 PM
She makes a good point, but... yeah...

Come on...did she really make a good point?  I'd say no.

(Oh my, did I really dig up a 12 year old thread, and I'm starting to argue about it again?  I guess I have ;)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on April 24, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
FLAME WAR!!!!

(http://media.loupak.cz:443/soubory/obrazky_n/_GIF/185/0043.gif)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: GrahamRocks! on April 24, 2015, 03:24:01 PM
 :o

I have NO idea what that gif is even from, but that looks AWESOME! :D

And no, beernuts, don't even start. It's not worth it. 
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on April 24, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
I don't know where it's from either. I just Google Image Searched "flame war" and the next thing I knew, this epic gif of two guys fighting with fire swords popped up. There are other good images, too; mostly they involved mushroom clouds, but I thought that would be too predictable. I just got the most awesome image I could find.

At least I didn't use this one:

(http://www.notizie.it/wp-content/uploads/comequando/2011/04/flamewar_doodle.gif)

DeviantART users all over the globe are seeing this picture and just shaking their heads.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shalkar on July 09, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
When will Chapter 5 be released? It's 2015 an still no update really? SMH :-[
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Numbers on July 09, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
*Sigh* Some things never change.