What are you feelings on the revival of King's Quest by the newly reborn Sierra?
Are you cynical, or optimistic?
The first image from the game has emerged--a very big tease:
(http://www.sierra.com/etc/designs/atvi/sierra/images/screenshots/kq-screenshot-1.jpg)
The story--what we know so far--
"King Graham -- revered as the greatest adventurer to ever live -- shares his life's adventures with his curious granddaughter, Gwendolyn. It is through these tales that Gwendolyn discovers the true greatness of her grandfather."
What do you think?
Mask of Eternity 2!
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/08/16/sierra-s-new-king-s-quest-won-t-be-a-point-and-click-adventure.aspx
Quote from: Lambonius on August 16, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
Mask of Eternity 2!
Mask of Eternity 2? The possibility of incorporating years of adventure game experience with cutting-edge graphics, sandbox exploration, mind-bending puzzles, and lots and lots of gore?
(http://wegeekgirls.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/make-it-so-captain.jpg)
Quote from: Rock Knight on August 15, 2014, 08:13:10 PM
The first image from the game has emerged--a very big tease:
(http://www.sierra.com/etc/designs/atvi/sierra/images/screenshots/kq-screenshot-1.jpg)
The story--what we know so far--
"King Graham -- revered as the greatest adventurer to ever live -- shares his life's adventures with his curious granddaughter, Gwendolyn. It is through these tales that Gwendolyn discovers the true greatness of her grandfather."
What do you think?
:D :D
Oh, man... so many questions... is Gwendolyn Alex or Rosella's daughter? Will she be the main playable character? (Because if so... so. much. win.) Given her name and the cultures the kids were likely to marry into, I'd even guess she's Rosella's daughter! :D (No guarantee of this since "Gwendolyn" is a sensible name for their culture of origin too.)
I'm really curious to see how this plays out. :D I'm already imagining something Zelda-esque. :D
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Also, also, hi, everyone, don't mind me, just dropping through to see if someone else had said anything here of late, saw this, and had to comment... it's back to Thesisland for me now. (Maybe I'll be back once I've submitted or sat my viva... we'll see...)
Gwendolyn sounds like "Gwydion", or possibly something like the chronicles of Prydain.
The logo looks very KQ5-esc. The logo looks very similar to the start of KQ5.
After all these years....
I'm thinking that the game will be Graham narrating his past experiences to Gwendolyn, similar to Guybrush narrating his past experiences in Monkey Island 2, so I doubt Gwendolyn will be the playable character. I imagine the plot will be a re-telling of 1, 2 or 5, but my money's on 1.
I'm also holding out hope that there will be a combat mode should you want to get down and dirty and just beat the sh*t out of the bad guys, but they should make the combat every bit as hard as the puzzles, ala Dark Souls, so no matter what you do, the game has longevity, multiple ways to play, and will take a while to beat.
You hear that, developers? Hard puzzles. Not obtuse or ridiculous puzzles, like what the original series sometimes delved into, just challenging ones that make sense.
So I guess this isn't a reboot? That's nice, I thought initially we were getting a re-imagining of the franchise.
I get having Graham as the protagonist for a first game but I hope after that we get some new protagonists, the nuclear royal family all had good runs. Honestly though the King's Quest series was always hit or miss so a revival doesn't have to worry about meeting high standards. :P
Also 'Gwendolyn' is slightly less dorky that 'Gwydion' so good on her.
I'm actually really excited and optimistic about it. I think a lot of people have gotten up in arms about the whole "It's not a point-and-click adventure game." The Odd Gentlemen took the time on their Twitter page to respond to tons of messages explaining that it is still in fact an adventure game, just one that will not rely on old school point-and-click engines. And it makes sense. If they're going for a true third-person 3D adventure game, one that can easily be ported to the PS Network and Xbox Live, then it makes sense to have controls along the lines of something like Ico or Skyrim.
I'm not sure as to whether or not there will be a combat option in the new game. Matt Korba, the head of The Odd Gentlemen, is definitely a classic King's Quest fan, and a lot of his interactions seem to hint at a more traditional adventure game as opposed to an action-adventure like MOE. Then again, it is so early in the game's development, a lot could change between now and release day.
I think the biggest thing people need to understand is that this game will not be like the old-school classic King's Quest games. Not that there's anything wrong with any of those games, but the market for adventure games has changed so much in the past 30 years, and I think that this game will hopefully serve as a springboard to open up a new generation to the wonders of the adventure game genre.
In the meantime, I can only sit back and excitedly await what The Odd Gentlemen have in store. They realize that they have a LOT hanging on their shoulders, and I think they seem up to the task!
As John Williams put it in one of the Sierra groups on Facebook, this game will have 1 of 2 reactions. Either it will be a complete and total failure to revive a franchise that hasn't seen a new game in 16 years, and will be forgotten (or hatefully remembered) as a poor game, or it could open up the door for a brand new era of adventures, one that will blow away all of our expectations and leave us breathless with what can be done with a series that has impacted adventure gaming and revolutionized the genre for 10 years. I'm personally hoping for and believing in the latter. :)
All that to say, I am an eternal optimist, but I understand how this announcement has led a lot of people to be somewhat wary and a bit skeptical of what's going to happen. A really good, honest perspective of the revival of Sierra was put forth by Frederik Olsen and Troels Pleimert of SpaceQuest.Net yesterday in their new podcast, Backseat Developers, and I really liked what they had to say! Warning, though. There is strong language, so if that bothers you, don't listen.
http://t.co/1rI2QQoMjB (http://t.co/1rI2QQoMjB)
Have a great day! Talk to you later!!!!
JDHJANUS
Josh
Quote from: Numbers on August 17, 2014, 04:30:58 PM
I'm also holding out hope that there will be a combat mode should you want to get down and dirty and just beat the sh*t out of the bad guys, but they should make the combat every bit as hard as the puzzles, ala Dark Souls, so no matter what you do, the game has longevity, multiple ways to play, and will take a while to beat.
Dark Souls is my favorite game of this past console generation, and even
I think that's a terrible idea. No combat in King's Quest!! ;)
I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't really care that it's not going to be point-and-click as long as it's fun and intelligent. And please, no combat!
There can be like a sex mini-game between Graham and Valanice, made specifically for Wii Motion Controls...
Perhaps a gambling side quest to show the ever downward-spiraling life of Alexander...
A pole-dancing game with Rosella entertaining Vulcanix trolls, with similar controls as Guitar Hero...
A first-person shooter section with Gwendolyn as she takes up Connor's crossbow and gets ready to open a can of whoopass on the much-feared Owl City...
Maybe a rap song in the end credits...
I'm a well of good ideas! Stop laughing! Take me seriously!!!
I'm also cautiously optimistic. Even if it is somewhat combat based, if the combat and puzzles are woven together well, I'd be okay with that. I kinda thought Skyward Sword in the Zelda series had a decent balance of that at times (not always, but when it worked, it worked well).
So, I guess we'll see. I'm definitely going to keep an eye out for updates and see what we get.
And...I'm definitely going to play it, no matter what. :)
Wait, there's combat in the new King's Quest? I had no idea o.O
I don't really mind that. Graham may value brains and guile over brawn, but that doesn't mean he can't pick up a sword and fight. He's not the finest knight in all of Daventry for nothing!
KQ2+ made kind of a compromise by having Graham in a swordfight but making it happen as a cutscene so the game didn't have to rely on the players having quick reflexes they didn't need anywhere else in the game.
*nods* I was originally thinking that they could have foreshadowed Alexander's fight in KQ6 by having the fight like that, but then I realized that would make him look like a terrible fighter.
Naw, really?! ;)
It's okay, I'm terrible at detecting sarcasm too sometimes.
I'd say I'm more curious than anything. I don't have an opinion right now either way; all I can say is "I want to see what they're doing." So, really, until I see something more concrete than a logo/title screen, I'm just curious. I do hope it's a good game, though, cause honestly - we don't need another bad King's Quest from "Sierra".
Bt
So, not sure if you guys have seen or heard this, but got this information from the Sierra Chest group over at Facebook, as well as The Odd Gentlemen's Twitter feed.
The Odd Gentlemen met with Ken and Roberta Williams to show them what they're doing with the next King's Quest game. They posted the following picture showing Ken and Roberta looking at some concept art:
https://twitter.com/TheOddGentlemen/status/526885279970254849
Ken Williams himself posted in the Sierra Chest group with the following message:
"Both Roberta and I loved the game. Here's the letter that Roberta sent them:
'...To Matt and Lindsey, Bill and Scott,
I, too, wish to thank you for a lovely morning yesterday reliving – to some extent – my old life as a Sierra game designer. I admit that I was a bit skeptical at first, and also somewhat nervous because I haven't been in the computer game industry (notice I call it computer game industry rather that the video game industry; that shows how far back I go!) in too many years to contemplate! But you guys blew me away with your ideas, your creativity and the beauty of the newest King Quest game. But best of all, I could see that you truly are the ones to take King's Quest into the 21st century and reintroduce it to a whole new generation. You totally have it down!
I can't wait to see how it develops, I can't wait to play it myself – and I truly can't wait to see how it blows away the competition!!
Best to you –
Roberta...'
Roberta wasn't just being polite. She really did like the game, as did I. The best thing about the game is that they really did get inside of what made the old games so successful and the game feels like a natural successor to the series. They "got it" as to what Roberta was trying to accomplish, and then used today's technology to build the game better than we would have ever thought possible. As we were watching the game, the #1 thought in both our minds was that we couldn't wait to get our own copy and play it, and that's something that rarely happens. Congrats to the team!"
And finally, Ken posted the following picture, in which you can see some amazing artwork of what Graham will look like and how he ages in the game!
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
Roberta and Ken Williams at the OddGentlemen Studio, Please let them be Involved with KQ9 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Please Please if you can, show this to Ken and Roberta Williams and to The Odd Gentlemen ;D ;D
http://videobam.com/xmWxF
http://daventrychris.deviantart.com/gallery/51596054/King-s-Quest-2015
http://daventrychris.deviantart.com/gallery/48988654/KQ-1-2-5-plus-TSL-XPS-Memories
Haha I'm afraid I don't exactly have them on speed dial :P
How do you make a Poll Thread, im freaking out with an Idea in my head. :o :suffer: :rofl:
Would you like Roberta and Ken Williams be Involved with KQ9
I mean seriously, why would they just Visit the Studio when Roberta brushed off All the Remakes of the Games in saying Great Work, yet when the New KQ Game got announced, they are THERE in the Studio.
You go to the sub-forum of your choosing and instead of clicking on "new topic" you select "new poll" :)
Roberta has stated on numerous occasions that she is retired and she has no interest of getting back into video game development. After the fiasco of Mask of Eternity's development cycle, I don't blame her. So, any involvement that she might have with the new game is probably more on a Creative Consultant factor more than anything else. She'll probably get special thanks in the credits, and of course Creator's credit, but I doubt we'll see anything more than that.
As far as them meeting with The Odd Gentlemen, I believe that TOG specifically requested the meeting and wanted to get their "blessing" on the direction that they were taking the new King's Quest game. Since this IS the first official King's Quest title to come out since Mask of Eternity, I can understand Ken and Roberta wanting to make sure the IP that brought them into prominence is in good hands. It should also be noted that until the recent Adventure Game Revival Movement, Ken and Roberta purposefully stayed out of the public's eye for the most part. I believe that Roberta has played through the major fan games (ADGI's & IA's remakes, as well as TSL), but since they were fan projects by companies that had no real source of revenue, I doubt they had the finances to actually schedule a meeting with the Williamses in order to get them to look over the game.
If I recall correctly, back when Telltale was going to make the newest King's Quest game, she met with the designers who were working on it and gave them some ideas, but obviously that game never even really began principal development.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing this new wonderful game! :D
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
I checked out http://blog.theoddgentlemen.com when i noticed at the very bottom of the Site in witch i had to go make something out of those Famous Words :suffer:
The Pie is Mightier then the Sword
(http://s8.postimg.org/ffx8ospl1/KQ5_The_Pie_is_Mightier_then_the_Sword.png)
I really hope they include the pie scene somewhere in the new one!
I wonder if there will be a Forum for the New KQ9 at the Sierra Site or if theres a Forum at the OddGentlemen Site, i mean how else am i going to talk about KQ9 if theres no Official Forum.
Anyway, i would love to RPG Daventry like MOE where i walk into the Castle from the Gate around the corner towards the Throne Room.
I agree that it would be awesome to see the Official Sierra forums restarted again! They were the central location of the Sierra community back in the late 90's/early 2000's. It would be cool to see them restarted once again!
In other news, according to the Odd Gentlemen's site, the new King's Quest's world premier will take place this Friday at the Game Awards - 6PM Pacific Time! There will also be a tribute to Ken and Roberta Williams. Looking forward to seeing what they have to show!
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
Fantastic and i do hope you will post Images and Videos here, im not much of a Blog or Twitter guy :P
I wonder the reason the New KQ Game will be an RPG is that they will Remake MOE, hence it would be a Scary Story for the Granddaughter of Graham to tell. ???
Quote from: JDHJANUS on December 02, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
I agree that it would be awesome to see the Official Sierra forums restarted again! They were the central location of the Sierra community back in the late 90's/early 2000's. It would be cool to see them restarted once again!
In other news, according to the Odd Gentlemen's site, the new King's Quest's world premier will take place this Friday at the Game Awards - 6PM Pacific Time! There will also be a tribute to Ken and Roberta Williams. Looking forward to seeing what they have to show!
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
I just learned that today. I'm excited! I hope we get to see gameplay.
KQ9 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MeV3PBY5Efg
Seriously, there need to be a Forum Board. TSL is pretty dead at times and im not a Facebook and Twitter guy. How am i suppose to know anything New on the New KQ Game or go to a Forum where you guys are more active.
I want to show Sierra and TheOddGentleman my Fan work and talk about KQ but they dont have a Forum Board
Those are seriously the graphics they're going with?
Icon Award for the Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JQkRp-VFXQ
*rolls eyes at Numbers*
I loved the trailer, and I really like that art style! Reminds me of Tales of Monkey Island from Telltale, which isn't a bad thing. I like the Old!Graham voice over too, though NOTHING will top the awesomeness of TSL's Graham voice which I consider to be perfect.
I don't really care for the plastic look either. The backgrounds are pretty, though. But as long as it plays well and has a compelling story, I can get past that. Overall, I'm excited! I hope it won't be as QTE-driven as the trailer seems to suggest, but of course they had to show the more active parts in the trailer.
Im all for KQ10 aka KQ2 if we are going to play KQ9 aka KQ1
Besides, i think this is a nice introduction to the Franchise that hasent even heard about Sierra or Kings Quest
We need to take into account that the Odd Gentleman is an indie studio as well. So with that in mind I think graphically the game looks really amazing.
I like that all the complaints here are about the graphical style and that nobody seems to be the least bit concerned that nothing in that trailer even remotely resembles an actual adventure game. Has contemporary gaming really ruined you all THAT MUCH??
To be honest I think most half-expected it to be a puzzle platformer or something of the sort. I don't think it would even be on the game awards show if were a point and click adventure game.
I for one am not at all surprised that it looks like every other TellTale game out there.
That's not a bad thing though. There was a time when point and click games generally looked like Sierra games. Sierra lost that crown and Telltale holds it.
:nods: And as someone who likes TellTale Games, I don't mind it either. Looks Tales of Monkey Island esque to me, which I like.
Concerning an official forum, I talked to Matt Korba (head of The Odd Gentlemen) about it, and he said that he was open to the idea and would contact their Marketing team to see about getting something set up.
They do now have at least an official newsletter that you can sign up for on their website!
If I hear anything more, I'll be sure to keep everyone here informed!!!
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
Ooooh thanks for the info! ;D
It doesn't look like it plays anything like a Telltale game. It looks more like The Cave or Brothers.
I can't help but feel like these developers are literally going through a checklist of so-called "modern" gameplay elements that traditional adventure game fans will hate and then willfully building the game around them. Here's the ones we can definitely see from the trailer and previous announcements:
1) action-platforming elements
2) episodic gaming
3) environments with walkable areas limited to narrow corridors demarcated by invisible (or actual) walls
I can only imagine we're probably also dealing with these, too:
4) interactive objects limited to a handful (4 or 5 tops) of hotspots per area
5) Quicktime events
6) "puzzles" that are limited to environmental traversal and lever-pulling mechanisms
I desperately hope to be proven wrong, but so far it's not looking good. If they wanted to get classic adventure game fans excited, they sure did choose some absolutely terrible slices of the game to highlight in this reveal trailer.
See... I didn't grow up with Sierra like all over you. They were way past my time. I personally don't mind those elements that you listed up there. *shrugs*
Well, I technically meant the art style reminds me of TT not the gameplay.
I'll just leave this ugly image here to show you what the new game's graphics look like in my eyes:
(http://brutalgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tales-of-monkey-island-guybrush-590x332.jpg)
Do you recognize Guybrush? No? Exactly.
You just REALLY hate TT's art style don't you?
Yes, I DO see Guybrush there. In fact, I LIKE that design, simply because they brought back his look from LeChuck's Revenge which is arguably my favorite except in even more detail.
I'm about to say something truly blasphemous, so here goes:
I love Monkey Island, BUT...
(http://www.merlanfrit.net/IMG/jpg/guybrush-and-elane-never-pay-more-than-20-bucks.jpg)
I never liked this art style
*shrugs* Eh, I don't really mind it. But... I think they changed the art style for close ups (if there were any like that, I honestly don't remember) in 2?
Quote from: Lambonius on December 08, 2014, 02:11:06 PM
If they wanted to get classic adventure game fans excited, they sure did choose some absolutely terrible slices of the game to highlight in this reveal trailer.
Why would they want to get adventure game fans excited? They are only willing to pay $5 for a game when it goes on a fire sale after 2 months because they know developers cannot sell adventure games for a decent price, thus killing the genre they claim to love.
They want to get non-adventure gamers excited about it because they will consistently pay $50-$60 for the exact same game with a different story year after year. If you were in charge, which model would you prefer?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on December 09, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
*shrugs* Eh, I don't really mind it. But... I think they changed the art style for close ups (if there were any like that, I honestly don't remember) in 2?
No, there weren't any close-ups in 2, at least not that I can remember and I think that's for the best. My problem with this art style is that it's too realistic, it clashes with the overall feel and cartoony-ness of the game.
Well, it WAS the first game in the series. Testing the waters with that one.
Oh definitely. It really doesn't hinder the experience in any way. I like Telltale's take on the Monkey Island artwork too, it's cartoonish but in a difference way.
Same goes for the new King's Quest. I like the visual look. :)
You and me both. Seems like we plus JDHJANUS and Orion (whose only complaint I've seen is Graham's design looking too skinny), are the only ones excited about the game. Most people think the game will automatically suck just from a teaser trailer that's mor action-y than what we were expecting.
It's not unexpected. It's been almost 20 years since the last game. People's expectations and ideal designs went in various and opposing directions since.
I think creating a king's quest sequel that will appeal to everyone who grew up with the series is impossible now.
I suppose you dident see my Post in the other Thread, in Prasing KQ2015 :suffer: ;D
Oops! Forgot about you, daventry! :D
I did grow up with traditional adventure games, but I also like other genres as well, and so having elements of action games never bothered me.
Take the game Ico, for example. I definitely consider this to be an excellent action-adventure, with a few action elements, but a much larger focus on exploration and puzzle-solving. Besides being a beautifully designed game, there is only one actual boss that you have to fight in the game, and a few smaller battles that you fight over the course of the game. The rest is spent of exploration and puzzle solving. I actually really liked this game a lot, and felt that it was a great way to include action elements in an adventure game while still maintaining the overall look and feel of an adventure game.
I have not played The Cave or Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, but I have watched some gameplay videos, and I would actually consider these both to be traditional adventure games, as there is no evidence that you have to fight battles or enemies or anything like that (Yes, I know that Brothers had bad guys in them, but you're supposed to avoid them, so it's really no different than the wandering villains of the early King's Quest games). I know some people disagree and consider them to be platform games, but to me, a platform game has to have some sort of bad guys/bosses that you have to generally destroy (more often than not by jumping on them), and I saw no evidence of that in either of those games.
Then again, I consider the Myst series to be traditional adventure games as well, albeit ones that are more puzzle focused. I know that's not always the general consensus amongst adventure game fans.
In the end, I think we have a genre that is constantly evolving and changing, and with each change, there are going to be people who prefer the more traditional aspects of certain games (I have several friends, for example, who much prefer parser/text adventures to point and click adventures). But regardless of whatever direction The Odd Gentlemen take gameplay wise with this game, what I'm mostly concerned about is their attention to detail and story, building on the lore of a 30 year old series with lots of background information and rich history. :)
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
Quote from: JDHJANUS on December 10, 2014, 12:50:02 PM
I did grow up with traditional adventure games, but I also like other genres as well, and so having elements of action games never bothered me.
Take the game Ico, for example. I definitely consider this to be an excellent action-adventure, with a few action elements, but a much larger focus on exploration and puzzle-solving. Besides being a beautifully designed game, there is only one actual boss that you have to fight in the game, and a few smaller battles that you fight over the course of the game. The rest is spent of exploration and puzzle solving. I actually really liked this game a lot, and felt that it was a great way to include action elements in an adventure game while still maintaining the overall look and feel of an adventure game.
I have not played The Cave or Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, but I have watched some gameplay videos, and I would actually consider these both to be traditional adventure games, as there is no evidence that you have to fight battles or enemies or anything like that (Yes, I know that Brothers had bad guys in them, but you're supposed to avoid them, so it's really no different than the wandering villains of the early King's Quest games). I know some people disagree and consider them to be platform games, but to me, a platform game has to have some sort of bad guys/bosses that you have to generally destroy (more often than not by jumping on them), and I saw no evidence of that in either of those games.
Then again, I consider the Myst series to be traditional adventure games as well, albeit ones that are more puzzle focused. I know that's not always the general consensus amongst adventure game fans.
In the end, I think we have a genre that is constantly evolving and changing, and with each change, there are going to be people who prefer the more traditional aspects of certain games (I have several friends, for example, who much prefer parser/text adventures to point and click adventures). But regardless of whatever direction The Odd Gentlemen take gameplay wise with this game, what I'm mostly concerned about is their attention to detail and story, building on the lore of a 30 year old series with lots of background information and rich history. :)
Talk to you later!
JDHJANUS
Josh
As always, your posts are a wonderful voice of reason, Josh. :)
You are sanity and light and positivity in the mix of crazy, darkness and negativity.
Though I do somewhat disagree on The Cave, because I could have sworn it wasn't an adventure game, but I could be misremembering.
Edit: Nevermind! "Puzzle platform Adventure Game" according to Tv Tropes.
(http://i.qkme.me/3pyx9i.jpg)
Hahahaha!
Negativity and insanity are not remotely the same thing.
I'm moreso laughing at the picture and the associated meme with it, rather than the caption.
Also, I'm a Magical Genie rank now! Woohoo!
GrahamRocks: Now you spend the next five hundred years in a bottle!
Me (inside the lamp): Well...I guess I should know better than to keep things bottled up inside.
Hahahaha!!!! ;D
And then the guy that I got in a flamewar with recently whose name will not be mentioned comes on the scene and says: "There! That Numbers won't be seen around here for a LONG time! But now, how do I get out of this dreadful forum?!"
Gotta say while that trailer wasn't necessarily bad it doesn't make me want to play the game either.