I have just downloaded all 2.2GB of Fedora.
( Previously the free RedHat )
Does anyone here have much experience with RedHat/Fedora and know of any good support sites?
Just want to get everything sorted before I go and install it! ;)
PS: I'll still have WinXP running and I have several other computers all on broadband incase I need the net, so when things go hay-wire.... :)
Redhat is my prefered Linux distro. I think I'm using Fedora, which number is it?
What do you mean by support sites?
Some sites.
Fedora Project (http://fedora.redhat.com/)
Just Linux (http://www.justlinux.com/)
Linux Newbie (http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/)
Yep, those sites are the ones I needed! thanks! :D
And yeah, Fedora is like RedHat 9.0 or 10 or something around that... not sure though... :)
Fedora is the newest anyway. :)
Your Welcome
P.S.I'm using Redhat 9(Fedora). If you have trouble playing MP3s, I'll tell you where to get the required RPM.
I actually don't use mp3's...
I stick to whacking cd's in my good ole stereo! ;D
Though, since you're on the same distr. I'll probably be asking for a lot of help! ;)
Quote from: grundy on August 03, 2004, 11:58:48 PM
I actually don't use mp3's...
I stick to whacking cd's in my good ole stereo! ;D
Though, since you're on the same distr. I'll probably be asking for a lot of help! ;)
I don't have many MP3s, but Ellone does. She's still using Redhat6, because of that issue with MP3s.
I'd enjoy the conversation, the Unix/Linux/Mac/Windows thread seems to be losing it's interest(if it ever had any).
Yeah, I remembered that thread, but I wanted a Linux specific one.
;)
A thread free of s****y windows and all it's viruses! Bugs! etc etc...
The server we were previously on that crashed (and is still dead) was Unix-based, and you remember all the viruses you received in your kq9.org e-mail account, don't you? :suffer:
Not trying to start a debate here, but every O/S is vulerable and is only as strong as its end user. 8)
What Unix-based OS was it?
I'm not sure, FreeBSD maybe? I don't think it said anywhere. :S
Good point, Neil. The user must be cautious and educated. :>
Those particular visruses, infact, were all ones that only affected MS OS's!
I doubt the SERVER itself was infected and spreading the virus, it was mearly the email server that spread it to all us team members. ;P
( Didn't we work out who it was in the crazy chat last night!? )
The server played some role because there were several e-mail addresses that I never posted anywhere and yet viruses were being sent to and from them. ::)
I don't blame Unix for that though, I just blame the server. XD The one we're on now at least has SpamAssassin. 8)
Hope this server will last a bit longer! ;)
We'll see. This one's running Linux. ;P
If this one fails is Microsoft the next one you will try?
Lol, this one wont fail....
The tools aren't the problem, it's the admins...
Isn't that right Neil? ;P
Quote from: dew7 on August 06, 2004, 02:12:58 AM
If this one fails is Microsoft the next one you will try?
LMAO! No, sorry, but I would never consider a Microsoft O/S for a server until they make them 99.9999% reliable. :P
And like Jon said, the server going down was more a "management" problem than a technical one. XD
LOL!
Imagine using an MS Server! HAHAHAHA!
The OS would use up all the resources and there would be nothing left for the clients! hahaha!
Oh wait...
CUE: *SERVER CRASH*
:suffer:
Grundy, have you installed Linux on your PC yet?
Nup, I wont install it until I build my new system. ;)
(http://home.t-online.de/home/Bernhard.Hailer/penguin/pics/friends2.jpg)
Does this imply the standing army of Linux penguins ready to invade Microsoft? :suffer: ;D
I was just replacing an old post, but why not? :P
(http://www.laflecha.net/img/news/0/8/gnu-and-penguin-color-300x276_bg.jpg)
They're coming to save us! ;D
Is Linux relatively easy to setup for directx7 and higher games? ???
Depends. If you use WINE(I've used other programs, but it's what I normally use), it's not too hard. After installing it, I set it up, so that all I have to do, is run the game(like in Windows, by clicking on the game icon).
The one problem, is that some games will either take time and effort to get working, and some won't work at all. Like I said above, some games work just as well as they do in Windows. Another problem, is that the some of the newer(DX8/9) games, will run slow on all but the newest hardware.
If the Windows game is OpenGL, it has a MUCH better chance of running, and will run FAR faster.
The latest game I've played with WINE, is Morrowind(DX8, SLOW).
I hope I've answered your question. :)
So...
*looks around the forum for Linux users* :P
CC, since you mentioned using Konqueror, I'm guessing you use the KDE graphical interface. I think it's better than Gnome, but most people I've met online, prefer Gnome over KDE. What do you think? ???
I normally use KDE 70% of the time, no graphical interface(as in, don't use X) 25%, and Gnome 5% of the time. :-\
LN, you never use FireFox or Opera? :o
KDE and Gnome, are graphical interfaces for Linux(icons, windows, taskbars, etc), they're not internet browsers(Konqueror is the default KDE internet browser, that I rarely use). :P
I normally use Firefox, and sometimes Mozilla(in Linux and Windows). :)
Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused. ;)
Quote from: dew7 on October 22, 2004, 08:29:40 PM
Is the main drawback of Linux is that is its not able to run Windows programs --- yes or no -- or is there some other major drawback? ???
Top10 drawbacks to Linux(in my opinion, and in no particular order):
1:It's open-source
2:It's based on Unix(or technically Minux, which was based on Unix)
3:It has no true owner, despite Linus being the original creator
4:Despite being able to use many Mac/Windows/etc programs, it still is not truly compatible with their software
5:Lack of support
6:People using your PC
7: SCSI is favored(over IDE)
8:Young children (that's not a joke) XD
9:It tends to give you the label "computer geek" :P
10:The community
Reasoning:
1:Despite allowing bugs/security faults to be found and fixed quickly, it also allows them to be found by crackers.
2:It makes it more compatable with Unix software, among other advantages of the similar design/structure. It also makes it less compatable with OSs(Windows) that are loosely based on Unix(any modern OS, most likely has some ties to Unix).
3: That means that NOBODY could stop Linux's evolution, into a more modern OS(when the times and needs change, so will Linux). It also means that if you have a problem with the OS, there's no one place to go to for help(for different problems, it's best to go to different sources for help).
4:I doubt I need to explain my reasoning for that. :P
5:Despite more support from companies in recent years, Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as much support as Windows(or Macs for that matter). Some software/hardware you want to run, might not work, due to the lack of support. On the positive side, Linux has more support than many OSs, for things related to servers(and other, non-mainstream software/hardware). Also, many companies seem to think "they can figure it out themselves", and make things FAR more difficult than it could/should be(Unreal Tournament).
6: Since it's not mainstream, and has a reputation(to the average PC user that knows about it) for being hard to use. people might not want to use your PC. It's good if you don't want people to mess with your PC(that, and it has more security than Windows). It can be a bad thing though, if they want to print a file/surf the web/download software, and you don't have the time to help them(or don't care to spend the time to help them).
7: Servers normally use SCSI(faster/better, but expensive), while PCs normally use IDE(cheaper/slower, but more prone to failure/crashing/dying/errors/faults). IDE works fine(this is just a minor annoyance, that is barely noticeable), but because Linux has a tendency to favor SCSI, it's sometimes more difficult than it could/should be(opposite problem with Windows).
8:This could be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. I've seen it happen before(and often). With default sounds on(in KDE at least), it gets their attention. 6-8 year olds, if they see one or two of the games(at this moment, I'm referring to the Redhat distros), that's what they'll remember every time they see the PC(and they'll tell you the EXACT game that's supposed to be on the screen). If you have one of those guys that walks around on your windows while you're using the PC, they'll think it's the greatest thing in the world(the name of the program I'm thinking of, that comes with many distros, escapes me at the moment). Finally, since many Linux users like to have Tux(the penguin) on their screen(not necessarily as wallpaper), that adds another reason for them to want to play with a Linux PC. See? Linux is FUN!! :D :P
9:Once again, I doubt I need to explain it. Whether it's a good thing, or a bad thing, is up for debate. :-\
10:I don't consider it a drawback, but it is for most companies, and also keeps Linux from having as much support as Windows(from outside the community). As far as buying software goes, they're not the most interested people in retail software. Add the fact, that MANY(and IMO, most) Linux users don't want companies to gain strength/influence in the Linux community(at least, to a certain degree), and you can see why companies don't want to invest too much money/effort into increasing support(this might be the most far-fetched idea on this list, and I might not have explained the idea/concept well, but if I'm wrong, I'm not too far off).
Many of the "drawbacks" are both a great advantage, and a great disadvantage
Many(most?) of the drawbacks/advantages mentioned on this list, also apply to other open-source OSs(freeBSD).
P.S. I made this in a short period of time, so I'm SURE I missed many drawbacks of Linux(I also might not have thought everything thru, and made mistakes about the drawbacks).
EDIT: I believe Bill Gates said that the GNU was the greatest drawback/weakness. ;P XD
Another thing I'd like to mention, is about the language barrier. If you're not familiar with one of the major languages(verbal languages), Linux has a HUGE advantage over Windows(translations are made faster, and more accurately than Windows). Then again, even if you know a major language, it's still an advantage(don't like American/British/other spelling? There's a good chance you can find it with "correct" spelling).
P.S. I could have added the difficulty of operating Linux, to the list of "drawbacks", but I don't think that's been much of an issue, for a few years now.
Also, one of the problems I named(support for the OS, as far as technical support goes), can be avoided, by using a retail distro like Redhat(you'll have to pay for Redhat, to get the technical support, but you can get the distro/files free online). I've never had a need for the technical support, but I think it's worth paying for, when you're first learning to use the OS.
Linux is definately one thing I will have to try one of these days. LN, can I partition part of my Windows hard drive to give Linux a try?
I seem to recall you mentioning Partition Magic. If I remember correctly, the latest version allows the creation of Linux partitions(can't remember the filesystem used :P ). If you're going to put it on the same hardrive, use that. If you're going to use seperate hardrives, use Diskdruid(many Linux distros come with it). If I were you, I'd try a LiveCD first, and then, if I liked it, I'd buy a book on the subject(a good book/manual/guide is a great help, and has saved my PC on two occasions).
Another thing I should mention, is that if you decide to put Linux on the same hardrive with XP, MAKE SURE THAT XP IS INSTALLED FIRST. If you install XP second, it will overwrite GRUB/LILO/etc(what is used to choose OSs), and you will be forced to use a boot-disk(floppy) to run Linux.
P.S. I know there's a way to run Linux from within Windows(and vice-versa), but since I don't know much about it, you'd have to Google for the info.
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For those of you that are curious about Linux, there's no reason not to try it(assuming you have broadband, and a CDburner). Just download a live distro(if you want links to some, just ask), and burn it to a CD. As long as you meet the minimum requirements of the OS(for a full-featured one, all you normally need is 128meg of memory), it shouldn't be too difficult. You just put the CD-ROM into your drive, restart your PC, it asks a few questions(most can be skipped), and Linux starts(unless your BIOS doesn't support booting from CDs). Then you can just play around with Linux, and decide if you like it. :D
NOTE: WHILE A LINUX LIVE OS/DISTRO IS RUNNING, DO NOT REMOVE THE CD. ONLY REMOVE THE DISC AFTER CLOSING LINUX(all live distros, use the information on the CD, and load whatever's in use to your memory, thus avoiding writing to your hardisk).
P.S. After it starts up, there's one thing you might want to avoid doing... playing 3D games(if your drivers aren't setup, then it runs EXTREMELY slow).
Adventure Games_Official Wine Application Database (http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php?catId=69)
If anyone wants to know if their Adventure games will work in Linux, look at the link (it's somewhat new, so there might not be info on the game you're looking for).
I'm probably going to join later(after getting the latest version of Wine setup). ;D
Note: This is just Wine, so certain games might work with a different program (like DOSbox) .
I have an old Pentium 166 that hasnt been used for about 8 months. What's the highest version of Linux (redhat) that can be supported under this hardware. I'm interested in giving linux a try in the next few weeks.
Specs.....
Pentium MMX166
16mb Ram
1Gb HDD
4x CD-Rom
15" Monitor
Current OS: Win98
Honestly, considering the specs, I'd use something besides Redhat. :P
I'd have to do a little research though, to find a better distro.
*Googles*
Also, it would help, if you said what you wanted to use it for(games, server, book balancing...).
This might help. 8)
200mhzCPU_whichdistro (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ntopic25072.html)
I just want to mess around with Linux, not really use it for a particular task.
Okay then, I have one VERY important question.
You're wanting to use a graphical interface with that PC? :-\
As in, you willing to use a DOS style interface, or do you want a Windows style interface? ???
Quote from: Louisiana Night on November 13, 2004, 02:47:05 PM
You're wanting to use a graphical interface with that PC? :-\
As in, you willing to use a DOS style interface, or do you want a Windows style interface? ???
I would prefer a GUI over command prompt, and I assume the commands are different than Linux...right?
Using the 166 for a server would be pointless, since I only have and use one computer. My friend just installed Redhat9 on his server so I will probably get some help from him too ;)
Well, a graphical interface will probably use up a good deal of your resources. :-\
The commands are different, but MUCH easier to learn than DOS commands(Linux only requires you to fill in enough of the command/directory, so that it can find the command/directory you want).
Here's what I consider to be the best distro for what you want, though I've never tried it myself(CC probably has a better idea of the best distro for what you want).
Slackware_info (http://www.slackware.com/info/)
What if I went back a few versions of Redhat, say ver3 or 4? Would this be small enough to fit, and run smoothly?
This is my first time talking about linux so all these names are confusing comparred to windows. Just post a link for all the commands (since I would'nt know where to go) and I'll take a look. If I find them easy to understand, then I will take it on.
p.s. does any1 know where my avatar went ???
You could probably get away with using the latest version. :P
You just wouldn't be able to use all the fancy features(like most Linux distros). :-\
As far as the commands go, that depends on the packages you have installed(they make up the majority of the commands). So if I were you, I'd get a Redhat distro, and buy a book on it(if knowing all the commands is important to you). It won't tell you all the commands, but it's close enough.
P.S. Remember Linux is case sensitive(as in, use the EXACT case of letters).
Sorry to bring this thread back....
I tried my old computer, didn't turn on so I didn't worry too much about it. Gonna look for a laptop to through Linux on hopefully soon.
I found a great tool....
Linux Distro Chooser (http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linux/chooser.html)
Quote from: GravityMX on March 05, 2005, 09:42:58 AM
Sorry to bring this thread back....
I tried my old computer, didn't turn on so I didn't worry too much about it. Gonna look for a laptop to through Linux on hopefully soon.
I found a great tool....
Linux Distro Chooser (http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linux/chooser.html)
Interesting...
but I got an eightway tie ( 63% ). :P
and I use 3 of them ( SuSe, Mandrake, DS ) . ;P
I recently installed Fedora Core 3, also titled Heidelberg, on my PC, along with Windows XP.
The installation process itself was a breeze. No harder than installing Windows actually. Fortunately I had some free space on the hard drive that wasn't formatted yet.
The only problem I had was to make the dual booting work. Apparently there is a problem with Grub in Fedora Core 2 and 3, that makes it unable to work properly if you've installed your OS:es in a certain way, and you have to do some manual work to get it working. It's recommended that you have Fedora's boot partition at the beginning of the hard drive. Otherwise you might not get the dual boot to work right away. For me this was not an option as I already installed on a hard drive full of stuff that I couldn't remove, and I had a lot of problems. Actually, I only need Linux temporarily, so I settled for creating a boot diskette. It's not that pretty, but rather having something that works for now than to risk messing up my precious files by experimenting more with the boot sector. ::)
deja vu :P
This is impressive, more the reason to make the change ::)
Shutdown after 6 years 2 months 25 days: 2.0.36 declared stable! (http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0502.3/0947.html)
Quote from: LouisianaNight on October 21, 2004, 05:06:33 PMCC, since you mentioned using Konqueror, I'm guessing you use the KDE graphical interface. I think it's better than Gnome, but most people I've met online, prefer Gnome over KDE. What do you think? ???
I did? Must've been a long time ago then, because I've been using FireFox for a long time now. Kde was the default, and until now I see no reason as to why I should try Gnome.
Quote from: LouisianaNight on November 13, 2004, 11:40:29 PM(CC probably has a better idea of the best distro for what you want).
Heh, I only know of a few distro's, so I might not be the best source for that.
As far as resources go, BOINC is constantly pushing my processor to the max, so I doubt X has much left. Anyway, here's a 'top' of my current situation. Note that the BOINC-application is running a service that's not viewable with 'top'.
Quote from: LouisianaNight on March 06, 2005, 07:39:16 PM
Interesting...
but I got an eightway tie ( 63% ). :P
and I use 3 of them ( SuSe, Mandrake, DS ) . ;P
I got an eightway tie aswell (81%) XD
According to the distrowatch, according to the answers I gave I should've picked Debian, but then again, there were some questions on which none of the answers suited me so I just picked one at random.
Just took a look at Debian for AMD64 (my cpu),:two DVD ISO's? My download limit can't take that, if I want to have anything left for the remaining 30 days. :-\
The ones that didn't have answers that suited me, I just left blank didn't select any answers :-\
Maybe give it another try and leave the ones you don't answer blank :D
Fiveway tie: Ubuntu, Debian (still inthere), Damn Small (never heard of that), Beatrix (the only Beatrix I know of is Queen of the Netherlands), and Ark (unknown to me). Ubuntu is linked to Debian, so that's not surprising they're tied. Maybe I should give that Ubuntu CD that's lying around somewhere a try on (yet) a different partition, or maybe I could just run the Live-CD.