Well, well, well! Will you look at that? King's Quest chapter 3 is coming out in April!
And looks like we're going into territory that I really like as well: Romance between Graham and Valanice is something the canon seriously needs more of!
Awesome! Yeah, I was hoping they'd get into that too.
Hmm... I just realized... they call this episode "Once Upon a Climb", Graham rescued Valanice from a tower, and she's wearing a purple dress.
(http://i0.wp.com/www.lazygamer.net/images/2016/03/onceuponaclimb.jpg?resize=820%2C461)
Why am I suddenly thinking yet again, about a certain Disney film?
Will you shut up about Tangled? For god's sake, the idiotic things you fixate on...
Look, man... I didn't design Valanice's dress, nor did I come up with the episode's title or plot, and you're the one who bashed the game's use of modern speak in the first place; which prompted me to bring up the movie the first time, so don't blame me!
And it's a good movie, so screw you!
Hey, hey, both of you, quit! Could always be worse- could be Frozen. ;)
Anyway, I'm fixating on Graham and Val. I don't care if this chapter retcons stuff from KQ2, just that they do that relationship well.
Also, in the Destructoid article, I like the fifth picture. (I would show it but I embarassingly can't seem to figure out how to post pictures on here. Can't paste into Insert Image.) Nice of you to drop in, Graham!
He certainly look more masculine now too, though I would've thought he'd have that appearance in episode 2; since it takes place after he's become king.
Well, judging from his reactions to the guards demands in the intro, he's not been on the throne very long.
Plus, he's an archer and besides for your arms and back iirc, you don't need much muscle for that. And even then, Graham doesn't seem like much of a guy who would want to fight unless he has to, relying more on negotiating or being sneaky (which you would need less bulk for because you're able to slip into smaller areas and you'd be quieter and faster on your feet). Though just because he didn't have bulk, didn't mean he wasn't strong given he uppercutted a being made out of rock with no trouble.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on March 14, 2016, 02:47:06 PM
Why am I suddenly thinking yet again, about a certain Disney film?
No complaints about that here. :)
I will say though Valanice's dress sorta looks like a cross between Rapunzel's and Jane Porter's.
Also, is it just me or is Valanice a little... too close to Graham? I know he's handsome and sweet, Val, but PERSONAL SPACE!
Oh boy, it's sexy time. Eat your heart out Leisure Suit Larry, cause King's Quest is coming to town!
:rofl:
On a more serious note, however the romance is handled, it can't possibly be less sexy than Box Office Bust.
I don't want to know...
Well if it plays out as sleazy as Box Office Bust did, then Graham will have to [CENSORED] with Valanice's [CENSORED] and, using the magic mirror, do some [STILL CENSORED], possibly use the magic shield to [I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH CENSORING THIS POST NEEDS] and maybe get Pillare and Olfie involved for a little group [THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR CENSORED ENOUGH].
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
After 31 years maybe Valanice will finally get a personality.
Knowing TOG, she'll probably be energetic, bubbly and insufferably adorable.
Hey, no complaints there.
Better insufferably adorable than stuffing the series full of toilet and sexual humor. The former I've really started to grow out of as I've gotten older (and thusly I cringe whenever I see it in movie trailers because it's not really all that funny to me anymore and just makes me think, "Really? You're really being that immature for your jokes? Even if you argue it's for kids, kids aren't that dumb."), whereas the latter I've never been a fan of (as Numbers has seen with my stance against LSL5-7).
Hey I'd be energetic too after being cooped up in a tower forever.
Whee! Fresh air! Sunlight! Home sweet home! And a really cute guy too! :D
And maybe she'll have long hair and be barefoot and burst into song and all of Jack Stryker's wildest dreams will come true.
I admit, that did make me chuckle. ;)
To Jack, personally: I'm not going out of my way to troll you; at least, not as much as I troll other people. Don't take offense to this. It's just that I'm bored without Rock Knight around to argue with.
Well, you might be right about the song part.
(http://static.truetrophies.com/customimages/027786.png)
I haven't seen any screenshots showing her barefoot though, but I doubt she will be. And somehow I'm pretty sure she'll have that same hairstyle throughout the whole episode.
On an unrelated note, I wonder who that lady on the left is. Maybe Hagatha in disguise?
*ahem!* If I may present you with this:
http://www.adventuregamers.com/articles/view/30267
:)
That should (hopefully, assuming there's no bait and switch here) answer your question.
Wow... I hadn't seen that article. So you can have Graham fall in love with either one, and the one he gets with in the end becomes Valanice? I did not see that coming. I guess that rules out Hagatha then.
I admit, I thought the same as you you did before this. I saw the dark haired lady and immediately became very suspicious of her.
I wonder why the promo shots focus more on the purple dress princess. To be honest, given she has brown hair, she looks closer to Valanice in past canon.
And then it begs the question where the name Valanice comes from since neither of them have that name (just parts of it).
Probably because the redhead is more recognizable to fans.
And actually, a friend of mine has a theory about that:
[spoiler]They BOTH are Valanice, just she's been split into two people somehow and they'll 'merge' together later.[/spoiler]
I like your friend's theory and hope they go that route.
[spoiler]As long as they don't do some stupid puzzle where one of them always lies and the other one always tells the truth.[/spoiler]
Pffft whatever those puzzles have an obvious answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVv3JJs1sxI
I don't know. It's a nice theory, but it kinda contradicts the whole thing about the one you ultimately choose becoming the canon Valanice.
Depends on how they do it, I think. It also depends on how different the two ladies are to begin with.
I'm calling it: the purple-dressed princess will turn out to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, and the green-dressed princess--the less obvious choice--will have hidden depths to her. But either way, Graham will end up with the right girl by the end.
That's true. There's no right or wrong lady to choose, I doubt.
Maybe the true Valanice are the friendships we made along the way.
The true romance is between the players and the game.
That's so sappy. ;)
In KQ's case, better sappy than the alternative, grim-dark. *cough*MoE*cough*
*nods* Which is why I like the new series in the first place. I'm not against having darkness/conflict/moments of despair at all (picture it from a film perspective)... just not entirely grimdark. If there's no hope, no sense of the light at the end of the tunnel, then I probably won't like it much.
That's actually part of the reason I like MoE at all; for KQ, it's so completely off-base and wrong on so many levels that it's hilarious.
Three more days until adorable romance ensues!
The trailer video is out for Chapter 3. From what I am reading, the game is out on XBox but not other platforms yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eQUNWFhnzo
Ugh.... I have the update queued on Steam... but my power is out ATM, so I can't play it yet! :(
Why? Why does Sierra rub salt in the wound by releasing that awesome trailer?! That's just wanting me to play it more!
My PC Version is Downloading now and should be ready by tomorrow, then i shall start writing the Chapter 3 Walkthrough while playing the Game
I just got home from work, so I haven't gotten to play it yet either. That trailer was worth a chuckle here and there though. Going to commence downloading the game now.
So does he still sound like Guybrush or did his voice change with all that muscle?
I started it. I think there are a few choices I missed already for alternate paths. But overall it's fun so far.
And Graham's voice has change a bit but it's still pretty much the same.
I just finished it. Some puzzles were a bit tough to figure out, but I still had fun and a few good laughs. At one point near the end I thought I'd be shedding a tear or two as well, but it turned out not to be quite as tragic as I thought it'd be.
And also...
[spoiler]Called it! :P[/spoiler]
CH3 is Fantastic, but they should ease off on the constant Cutscenes, The Game itself is Shorter then CH2
What bothers me is why Graham Hates Garth and dismisses him so much, why is KQ just about Gwendolyn
I'm at the final sequence of this chapter. This has been a REALLY good one, but holy crap these puzzles...
Note to self: Never try to do a memorization puzzle late at night when your brain is already tired.
[spoiler]Also... yeah. I know. It's disappointing for me because I was banking on that NOT being true, but it doesn't make or break the chapter for me.
Manny being a Goblin though? That was obvious! ;)[/spoiler]
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on April 27, 2016, 09:10:30 AM
I'm at the final sequence of this chapter. This has been a REALLY good one, but holy crap these puzzles...
Note to self: Never try to do a memorization puzzle late at night when your brain is already tired.
[spoiler]Also... yeah. I know. It's disappointing for me because I was banking on that NOT being true, but it doesn't make or break the chapter for me.
Manny being a Goblin though? That was obvious! ;)[/spoiler]
Finished the chapter a little bit ago! It was awesomely adorable, heartwarming, had LOTS of puns, exactly as I hoped!
[spoiler]Now I wouldn't exactly say I'm
happy about those characters' origin story. Mostly, I'm just taking pride in the fact that I was able to predict it.[/spoiler]
Quote from: daventry on April 27, 2016, 05:34:41 AMWhat bothers me is why Graham Hates Garth and dismisses him so much, why is KQ just about Gwendolyn
Well... I don't think I'd say
that. It's probably just the impression that Gart gets. Who knows? Maybe they'll have Graham prove otherwise in a later episode, by sharing a story with him and giving him some encouraging advice.
Well that was adorable.
The Garth thing is clearly being set up for a later episode, I doubt Graham dislikes the kid.
[spoiler]Does this mean that the other Valanice that gets ice handed becomes Queen Ice-a-bella?![/spoiler]
[spoiler]Also I can't believe I didn't call the Manny thing.[/spoiler]
I agree wholeheartedly with Jack here.
I just couldn't help but notice...
[spoiler]Manny feels underappreciated. So does Gart. This is going to be a thing later on, guaranteed. Graham is most likely going to be called out on it by him, and Graham, remembering Manny, wants his grandson to not go down the same path, trying his best to fix it before it's too late. Also, that seems incredibly sad to me if the one you don't choose gets a hand (no pun intended) like that. Just a tiny bittersweet kernel in this happy ending...[/spoiler]
Also, [spoiler]Graham mentioning that he has no real friends is just sad to me as well! :( It's not proof of my headcanon for Graham, but still sad to see here.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think I know why I don't like the reveal about Manny. It's because having a sympathetic Manannan, to me, always never felt right. It makes me feel... uncomfortable that a Wizard that kidnaps and kills how many children a few years apart and cruelly makes them his slaves... can actually be sympathetic. As much as I love TSL, I do acknowledge that the game is flawed, and they're going that route as well. It seems like always people trivialize- is that the opposite of blowing something out of proportion? -what he does with his slaves, saying he's not all that bad in canon because "all his punishments are whimsical" or "it says in X source material that he was willing to let some of his slaves go if they did a good job but his temper got in the way" or that "Alexander in X source material was able to pop down to Bruce and was quite the ladies man so he obviously was more lenient that thought"... I don't buy it. No, I'm not saying that Manannan was a pedophile or whatever, but he CERTAINLY is not a good man, no matter how you try to hand wave it away that he felt underappreciated or whatever. This man is emotionally abusive to Alexander, never showing him any sort of love and will outright kill him if he makes a fatal mistake like having things in his pockets that he's not supposed to have, or finding his secret lab or getting caught outside too many times, or trying to escape from him without his knowledge. A simple harsh guardian wouldn't do that, punish them yes, kill them no. I understand that characters need depth, particularly villains, because otherwise it's impossible to take them seriously as a threat beyond simple fear, but if you try to make them sympathetic and always portray them as a d******** with no humanity, then how can I feel pity for them?
And what ironic (and arguably hypocritical) is that Hagatha's backstory as well as the Manny scene with Mordon DID make me feel bad about them regardless of said reveal in said scene. I don't know what that says about me. Maybe I'm more open to the idea of Manny wanting to prove himself more than just a "silly little goblin" because I've seen that theory before on TV Tropes's WMG page and it's kinda stuck with me. Maybe I'm just stubborn. Maybe I'm more like the "old guard" who are sticklers for what's canon than I thought.[\spoiler]
Is Graham Sexist for Proposing in which the other will have a broken heart. You dont make both happy and drop the other.
[spoiler]Besides, whats the point of 2 Princesses when it looks like one of them is dying in the end, i mean will we see the other one in Future Chapters.[/spoiler]
Eh? Broken heart? She seemed pretty accepting of it to me, judging from that smile. Nothing wrong with still being friends with them after all that.
[spoiler]I doubt that she's dying. After all, the Frost Tonic was supposed to freeze everything in time, right? I'd say the opposite...[/spoiler]
No No No :( Is there any cheat codes please for this game keep getting frozen to death. I admit that i suck at timing jumping puzzles like the one near end of chapter 3.
Almost forgot to tell you Windows Version
Think of it like the opposite of the dragon sequence in chapter one. Don't take your time, just keep moving! As soon as as Graham is making the motion to turn with his foot, press space. You can do this very quickly so long as you keep moving.
The Card Game with Vee and Neese, how exactly do you play. I ask and choose the Questions, then i Only Pair with the Girl i Proposed when i entered the Tower so in the end i can have the right Girl to Marry with.
I suppose when you choose who you Propose to, she will anyway be the one you end up with in which the other you can make Happy or Sad or the one you proposed you could also make her Happy or Sad, since apparently the one you Propose is Yours anyway.
Is there a way from the one you proposed so the Game will have you marry the other.
Don't know if anyone knows that yet. It's only been out two days!
They should've sticked with 1 Princess since there are only (Bravery Compassion Wisdom) with too many decisions for 2 Girls. Wheres the Third Girl so to speak
I think the one you don't pick is less concerned about "My best friend has a nice boyfriend and I don't", and moreso about the fact that [spoiler]her hand is frozen in ice![/spoiler] Seriously, look at the end scenes and you can tell that she's more concerned about her friend's happiness than her own.
Also, Neese and Compassion!Graham is so cute!
[spoiler]Just took notice of the Manny reveal...
(http://galeri3.uludagsozluk.com/129/facepalm_227789.jpg)
God almighty.
[/spoiler]
*laughs*
You already hate the game, so what do you care?
I recall you asking that exact same stupid question to Rock Knight. That "if you don't like it, then why should you care about it" mentality means nothing. If I dislike something and then find out unpleasant news about it further, I'm allowed to dislike that thing more. And there's nothing you or anyone else can do to change my mind. Live with it. And get a sense of humor like GrahamRocks has.
But if something is so bad to you, then why do you even follow it? That's like purposely going to a concert to see a band you don't like, just to find out how bad they sound live. If you know you're going to hate the show, then why even go to it? You're not doing yourself any good, making yourself even madder about something you already hate. So why not just leave it alone and follow the games you do like? I don't care if you like the game or not, but if you don't then what's the point in talking about it? You're not the Hulk. Getting madder isn't going to make you stronger.
Guys, please! Don't start just randomly fighting again! >.<
Actually, there hasn't been much unpleasant news about the game lately. The new chapter is getting pretty good scores!
Finished my Full Chapter 3 Walkthrough, the chapter in the Game is sadly Shorter then Ch2 with more cutscenes in any Game ive ever seen.
http://www.gameboomers.com/wtcheats/pcKk/KQ2015.htm
I don't actually mind the shorter length, as strange as that sounds. The first episode took me 10 hours, which is a bit much if you're trying to do it in one sitting. Chapter two took me 5-6 hours, chapter three took me 6-7. For me, that's not all that bad.
Though it looks like the playtime (assuming you actually know what you're doing) is actually three to four hours. I just r vewy stoopid and got stuck on several of the puzzles.
Quote from: daventry on April 28, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
the Game is sadly Shorter then Ch2 with more cutscenes in any Game ive ever seen.
Obviously, you've never played Metal Gear Solid 4.
And Jack, don't talk down to me. I have no time or inclination to get into another debate with you. I, like you, am a human being, and I can live however I want. I have a different opinion than you do. Either you stop crying and accept that not everyone has your viewpoint, or you get off the Internet. Don't bother replying to this post, as I'm sick of your immaturity and am now blocking you.
*shakes head* Forget it. He's just not getting it.
Okay, BOTH OF YOU STOP!!! >:( You can disagree, but there no need to just automatically butt heads whenever you two talk to eachother!
Jack! He's TRYING to be civil here! He doesn't rag on people just because they like it! So he doesn't? So what?! That's no excuse to NOT participate in this thread as he has brought up good points in the past. Sure, I might have not agreed with most of what he's said, but at least I see where he's coming from AND he accepts that not everyone likes what he does and vice versa! And yet what do you do?! You blow up on him always!
The new King's Quest is flawed. The Silver Lining is flawed. The AGDI remakes of King's Quest are flawed. King's Quest in general is flawed. Every game has flaws.
The fact that you guys just start fighting EVERY time you guys meet in a thread is frankly REALLY annoying! This forum already has a reutation of endless infighting and quarreling, and neither of you are helping matters!
So will BOTH of you just stop already?!
I don't think you quite understand. I don't mind that he doesn't like the game. (I even said that I don't care if he likes the game or not.) I know its got flaws and I know it can't please everybody.
But the point I've been trying laboriously to get to is: if the game disappoints him, there's no point in him paying it any further attention. And I was trying to end it with that last post, by the way.
He doesn't necessarily hate the game. Otherwise, he'd see NOTHING good in it whatsoever. Which he does: Achaka is his favorite character, he thinks the backgrounds are nice, he's had a couple good laughs with the series, and he can at least see why lots of people like it...
Kinda like how I view the latter half of the Leisure Suit Larry games and Codename: Iceman. Well, not the laughs and "why people like it" but that's a story for another day.
Sometimes, though, it's more interesting to discuss stuff that annoys or disappoints you than it is to talk about positive stuff. Positive stuff allows you to gush about stuff you love, but negative allows you to just let out frustration, which makes one feel better.
Trust me, he could be a lot worse about all this.
Well, why didn't he just say so? If he had just said that, and then gave a reason for the Manny reveal bothering him, I would've just shrugged it off and made no effort to argue. Well... I guess it might've depended on the reason.
To be fair, I don't like it either.
Does my Ch3 Walkthrough make sense with 3 Routes and 2 Princesses, i would've thought a Twist would come out where Hagatha is my Bride or something.
Its just that theres a Princess missing here where im stuck with the Wisdom Route, because Vee is Brave and Neese has Compassion
Yes, Daventry. We know. You've made it quite clear that you think there should be three. We get it.
Dont you find it odd no matter what Princess Graham takes, the Grandchildren still looks the same, since Vee has Black hair and Neese has Brown Hair.
You really think that they would just change their appearance just because you picked one girl over the other? After it's already established what they look like? That's too much a contrast and would look weird. Like, we know what they look like, and then, BAM! They suddenly look different because of the choices you made even though it's in stark contrast to before?! I'm all for details, but not if you're going to change a character's appearance just because, especially after three episodes. Besides, technically they'd be getting physical traits from their parents moreso their grandparents, hence why Gart is a blond.
If you want to go down the genetics road you could ask why Gwendolyn is pasty white despite having a mother that heralds from a Greek/Levant fusion island.
Probably got that from daddy. IIRC, someone brought up somewhere that Alexander would be pale since he's let outside only to feed the chickens and any other time is a big no no from Manannan.
By the way, i assumed when Hagatha "accidentally" knocked the How to Tame Your Dragon Book that teleported Graham to the Cave, it was some sort of clue to get a Reverse Human Potion for her.
*shakes head* She's too far gone.
Yet it works fine for Manny
[spoiler]He was never human to begin with. That's just a disguise, an illusion. Hagatha WAS human until she took too many potions over the years to keep up her appearance up to snuff and it backfired.[/spoiler]
Just wondering about Vee and Neese, how would you put them.
Vee seems to be Brave, where Neese is Compassionate, or does Vee have Wisdom instead of Bravery.
Vee is Wisdom plus a dash of Bravery, Neese is very obviously Compassion. As someone who's doing a Compassion run first and foremost, Neese and Graham stick together like glue.
Im going to Expand my Walkthrough since there are 4 Save Slots
Vee Bravery
Neese Compassion
Vee Wisdom
Neese Wisdom
I think this is what The Odd Gentlemen intends us to do
I never would have thought about Neese equalling Wisdom! How so? Everything we do with her meant to be kind, not clever, besides possibly the log jump.
YES Yes Yes :) Finally got passed that stupid Timing jumping puzzle at end of Chapter 3 decided to try Turbo program to slow it down. And it worked except very last part than had to turn it off to finish it.
Hey, congrats! ;D
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on April 29, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
I never would have thought about Neese equalling Wisdom! How so? Everything we do with her meant to be kind, not clever, besides possibly the log jump.
I don't know... that seems more of a bravery move to me. A wisdom move, I think, would be to make some kind of makeshift bridge or something.
I dont think it matters what Route you take with the 2 Princesses, you will always go with Vee to the Beach and with Neese to the Jungle with everything exactly the same. The only thing that changes are the dialogue, so you can play with 1 Princess Wisdom Bravery Compassion and go to Town with those selective Choices, the Game is still the same in everything.
[spoiler]Only Extra you get from the Beach with Vee is when you let her win with the Bow, you two will jump some rocks on a River. When you give Neese a Blanket from the Shop now run by Acorn, you and Neese will scale a Tree on a Vine in the Jungle.[/spoiler]
Is nobody going to remark on the fact that Graham has sisters?!
Oh. My. God. Graham...has sisters?! This is the final straw! TEH CANON'S RUINED 4EVER U GUYZ >:( >:( >:(
*laughs* Yay, sarcasm! ;D
I just think it's nice, partially because that means he wasn't lonely growing up (possibly further poking holes in my headcanon which I don't actually mind), and because he's most likely known as "Uncle Graham" to someone, which is adorable to me.
Oh, btw Numbers! [spoiler]You were unintentionally right about Mordon.[/spoiler]
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on April 29, 2016, 05:13:34 PM
Oh, btw Numbers! [spoiler]You were unintentionally right about Mordon.[/spoiler]
(http://i.imgur.com/JdskrNi.jpg)
Sorry, bud.
Has it occured to anyone that Hagatha messed up her spell, remember in the KQ World making a Spell is Life Threatening to not make the slightest mistake.
Graham got favored by Hagatha where she was going to send Graham on a mission to get some Keys or whatever, but then accidentally dropped the Dragon book into the Clock Portal that send Graham to the Dragon Cave.
Why dident Hagatha send Graham out again to find this Key whatever, then her spell would've worked and we all would be frozen in time thus in the end the Frost Explosion wouldn't even happen.
The spell didn't screw up. It worked exactly as intended, she just had regrets.
Nearly done remaking my Ch3 Walkthrough
Brave Vee and Compassion Neese
Vee and Neese Wisdom
Brave Neese and Compassion Vee
Dont see the point in giving the Wrench to Neese, because she bangs that thing on the Lute like a hammer and its fixed by some 0 logic sense.
Okay, that makes a little more sense in that order. Much better.
Still, this is a magical fantasy world with wizards and dragons and goblins and true love... and yet banging a wrench to fix something is where you draw the line at logic? ;)
Ch3 Update is done
http://www.gameboomers.com/wtcheats/pcKk/KQ2015.htm
Has anyone shot the Wedzel Wolf in front of Neese, im gonna do that since i play Brave with Neese. I play Brave with Vee aswell, thus at the part with Neese, i will shoot the Wolf aswell.
By the way, sparing the Wedzel Wolf Unlocks a Secret Achievement, so in a way its Human Nature to kill a Wild Animal to protect the one next to you or yourself.
Why do i get the feeling your suppose to propose to Vee through all 3 Routes, because the sequence with Neese and the Wolf with the fact she is turning to ice and the end clue after the credits with the ice castle makes it that she will be Queen Icabella.
Also since the Routes are story wise, i dont think we will see Vee as the Ice Queen no matter what Route i took in previous chapters.
Despite enjoying this episode a lot I was disappointed by how simple it was. It was basically a dating simulator with 2 or 3 puzzles thrown in. I get that the game is trying out a lot of different ideas so I'm patient but I hope the eventual conclusion for the sequel is more puzzles. It was nice to see they already threw out QTEs...mostly.
I disagree.
That would mean that means there's a "right" girl and a "wrong" girl, and your chosen virtue doesn't matter. Yes, there will be consequences no matter what you do, but it shouldn't be shoving it into your face, "PICK THIS! PICK THIS!" and it's "wrong" if you don't.
Sure, I picked Compassion at every turn I could: I befriended and spared the Goblins whenever I could. I freed the Dragon. I made sure to help everyone as best I could. I let the wolf go.
But, of course, you're not me. You might not want to focus on how kind Graham is, and instead how clever he can be, for example. There are consequences no matter what you do, but none of those choices I doubt are "wrong" really. Graham is always a heroic sort, no matter what (well, except for this horrible webcomic that starts as a QFG comic then about halfway through it suddenly we're crossing over with KQ: http://wolfkroger74.deviantart.com/art/QFG-Preludes-Vol1-Pg01-492243457) and I believe that no matter what, he's a good King. Daventry goes through troubles every now and again, and Graham probably make mistakes, but it's not like by the end, just because he did or didn't do this, Daventry burns before his eyes and he's regretful of all he's done in his life.
Whether it's Vee or Neese who gets that frozen hand, Graham I doubt will just let them be cold and miserable forever, even if he can't completely make their heart thaw out. Assuming, of course, that they ARE indeed Icebella. Who knows? Hell, wouldn't surprise me if he tries to give Manny a chance at redemption at some point. I doubt he'd take it, but at least let him try.
No matter our choices, I never want to feel like "I'm the worst King ever! (or would that be Queen for me? hehe!) Daventry is actually WORSE off than it was when Edward was on the throne! I never should have come here!" you know?
And yes, I know, I'm probably repeating myself by now. Sorry.
Am I the only one who's favorite part was Whisper?
Whisper can do it! ;D
Was nice to see him again, yeah! I like how he's gotten more courageous too.
originally, I was put off by his cockiness, but especially in the race in chapter 1, I loved him. Especially with "Whisper can do it" and "What?!?" That one always made me laugh :rofl:
Quote from: Bludshot on May 01, 2016, 07:49:55 AMIt was nice to see they already threw out QTEs...mostly.
I like those, actually. It's a game's way of saying, "Wake up! This ain't a cutscene! Press A! You don't have time to smoke a bold! You still playin'!" There have been complaints about too many cutscenes in chapter 3, after all.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 01, 2016, 02:52:17 PM
Hell, wouldn't surprise me if he tries to give Manny a chance at redemption at some point. I doubt he'd take it, but at least let him try.
I believe at the end of chapter 1, if you choose the pie, Graham does at one point offer it to Manny.
Well that's true. I meant moreso like a situation where they talk or, Manny is in a precarious situation and ends up being saved by Graham and when he asks him, "Why are you being so nice to me? I don't get it!" or something like that, Graham has the chance to try to convince him to change his ways before it's too late. If he does, then yay, new friend! If he doesn't, then it's possible he might die due to his own hubris or like, "Hmph! I don't need anyone! I can get by just fine on my own!" and then something happens that kills him that wouldn't have if he had friends.
Or maybe something that calls back to that scene in chapter one, and that's a choice you can make. Do you attempt to talk down Manny and spare him? Do you trick him one last time? Do you just straight up fight him?
I didn't mind the QTEs either. But I also didn't mind the cutscenes.
QuoteAm I the only one who's favorite part was Whisper?
Maybe, but I was amused to see him again.
And about Whisper...
[spoiler]I was surprised who Whisper started dating honestly. Heh. :) Totally didn't think Amaya would go for him.[/spoiler]
This chapter was overall adorable though. The first time I played, I didn't overly try to win one princess over the other. I just tried to do the most right in each situation. And I ended up with Vee,
The second time, I made sure I ended up with Neese. So it was nice to see both endings. I also went back to visit each of the townspeople too just to see what each gave you.
As for Manny, honestly, I think no matter what Graham did, he'd end up that way. He wanted to be king no matter what.
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[spoiler]WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA!!! Amaya and Whisper are dating?! I'm guessing that's mentioned in the Bravery route? Huh![/spoiler]
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 01, 2016, 06:04:01 PM
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[spoiler]WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA!!! Amaya and Whisper are dating?! I'm guessing that's mentioned in the Bravery route? Huh![/spoiler]
[spoiler]If you visit Amaya when you choose to go to town, you find out about them dating. It's actually funny how Amaya reacts. And then when Whisper comes to 'rescue' you you admit to him you know about it.[/spoiler]
That's what I figured, yeah.
I love Whisper and it made sense for him through the Bravery Part to try and Rescue Graham when Graham told Amaya where he is held captive, but it doesent make sense when you go to the Bakery (Compassion) or to the now String Shop where Acorn is now (Wisdom) for Whisper to arrive, who send him this time.
By the way, did you know the Child of Wente and Bramble is going to be some Murderer and end up killing he's own Parents, just listen to what they are saying about the Kid. I mean what child of yours goes through that faze.
What do they say? I went to see Acorn.
....Or you know, if you looked at the data files in chapter two, you'd know he's a reference to KQ5- the Tailor. Stop being so overdramatic!
Really, Dav? Because Acorn has a shop to run. He's got stuff to do. Whisper doesn't, and frankly, would you want advice from Acorn twice?
Um what are you talking about, im asking who told Whisper where Graham is held when you go to the Bakery and the Tailor Shop
He poofed away all suddenly with hardly an explanation, seeming kinda in a rush and being unable to talk about it, this being their King whom they hadn't seen in ages.... and you think none of them would be suspicious of this and try to alert the Royal Guard and subsequently Whisper?! And why Whisper? Because while he's not exactly strong or courageous or smart, they need someone fast, especially since Graham hasn't sent word of his success or failure to anyone and the last time he disappeared for this long, he'd been captured by Goblins. How would they know about the tower to send Whisper there? Well at least one of the Guards, #3, witnessed Graham looking into the Magic Mirror they just went on what they saw then, plus Graham probably mentioned "That's the Enchanted Isles!" to them, allowing them to pinpoint the location. Why is Whisper alone? Because having the Royal Guard there means the castle is less guarded and I doubt after what happened with the Goblins, they'd want to risk leaving it alone for long.
Who was it that says KQ2015 is leading away from all the Magic and Fairies and Unicorns that was in the KQ Franchise, i think it was Numbers.
Even though The Odd Gentlemen stick to the Core of the KQ Franchise with allot of Hints and Easter Eggs, they sure cut out allot of its Core Magic where we only start to see it in Ch3. I mean wheres Dracula or the Cave with the Bird or the Unicorn or Neptune or Red Riding Hood. Oh yea and you know when Vee talks about some Old Wizard Spell that got them trapped in the Tower, i think its the Wizard that turned the Unicorn into a Snake.
By the way in Ch1 in the beginning where Graham takes the stick to fix the Switch and hides in bed from the Dragon, well pay close attention in Ch3 when Graham poofs back in the Cave and tell me the similarities you see. (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Eh? Where was that mentioned before on here? Just because something magical or fantastical is never mentioned in-game doesn't mean it doesn't exist in-universe, just that it's not the prime focus or useful to mention for worldbuilding or humor purposes.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 02, 2016, 02:51:31 PM
Eh? Where was that mentioned before on here? Just because something magical or fantastical is never mentioned in-game doesn't mean it doesn't exist in-universe, just that it's not the prime focus or useful to mention for worldbuilding or humor purposes.
Bingo. Yeah, they could have explained a bit that there were other trials prior to reaching the tower, but the opening is pretty dialogue heavy already.
Well, I meant moreso in general rather than just the opening, but yeah.
Yeah for how fast and loose they play with the canon they tend to leave the old games themselves alone.
Besides, King Neptune is mentioned by Graham in the scene after the opening puzzle. So obviously, he did go through the events of 2, or some variation on it, but only the tower sequence is important here. After all, Gwendolyn specifically asked, "Can you tell me about grandma?" and what better way to show that then to show how they met? Sure, the deal with the keys and doors and blah blah blah is part of the journey, but we're just focusing on Valanice, which we only meet her at the end.
I'd still like to see Gart and Gwendolyn's parents appear at some point. Maybe even some stories about Alexander and Rosella's adventures, told by Graham. Maybe he wouldn't know all the details, but he has to have learned the gist of their stories by now.
I'm pretty darn sure that would ruin the premise of "Graham telling stories of his own past to Gwendolyn to help her grow as a person, since she and him have some similarities".
But seeing Alexander and Rosella? Oh yeah, definitely!
And next thing you know, Gwendolyn will pick up on the habits of Alexander and Rosella, up to and including saying things like "ZOUNDS! A trap floor!"
She's said "Zounds!" once already. ;) Graham has too, actually, which is probably where Alexander got it from.
King Edward decreed that Zounds was "totes a real word" early in his reign.
Actually IIRC it WAS a real word in medieval times.
Zounds :P
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 03, 2016, 07:03:57 AM
Actually IIRC it WAS a real word in medieval times.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/zounds (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/zounds)
Abbreviation of God's wounds, with reference to Christ's wounds before the crucifixion.
Well, nothing like a little history lesson to take all the fun out of a quaint-sounding word. Reminds me of the time I figured out that the Australian slang "Crikey" is actually more or less equal to "Christ."
And then of course, there's the Gavin Free dictionary of British slang, which includes such gems as calling somebody a "mingy spaff." The definition of that phrase is best left up to interpretation.
Actually the origin of "Zounds" has been brought up somewhere on here before, I'm pretty sure.
Didn't know the "Crikey!" one though.
Just wondering, how did Amaya come to know of Hagatha's Ttower and have part of hagatha's Grandfather clock?
Whisper said a special rabbit gave him that clock hand.
So that. I guess.
The Special Rabbit is Whisper and Amaya dating, even Graham says he knows about the Relationship, so the question still stands, HOW did Amaya know what Graham needed, does she have some sort of relation with Hagatha like a Cousin or something we dont know about.
Don't overthink everything, man.
Special rabbit is Whisper's pet name for Amaya? That's cute.
Well maybe we'll find out where she got the clock hand. Or not. I think I'll live either way.
Same here. And yes, I think it's adorable too.
Just wondering, is Acorn the Son of Chester and Muriel
Nah, that doesn't match up to stuff in chapter one.
As I wrote to a friend of mine recently who mentioned the possibility since according to data files of stuff cut from chapter two, they apparently seemed rather close:
"Having a soft spot for someone=/= they're family. I can see them being close, friendly rivals or even them welcoming him into the family post chapter one, but directly related family? No.
OBJECTION!
I refuse to believe it because Acorn's line in chapter one directly contradicts what the Hobblepots said about their son. "I'm just here to please my parents" vs "He wanted to be a knight too."
However! You know who I DO think is a good possible candidate for being their son?
Manny. Like Chester and Muriel, he prefers brains over brawn, has a thing for potions (which they also mention their son was VERY helpful with) and trickery, and this would I think match the whole "He wanted to be a knight too, but he's got his own adventures to go on so I'm sure he'll come back someday" and it's in episode three that we get some motivation for why Manny does what he does. What better way to achieve his goal, than to become a knight? And perhaps more? And, unlike the other Knight Hopefuls, he's willing to do anything to get that position, even if means stepping on people's toes."
However, yes, I do realize that would make Chester and Muriel the villains, so I can also believe in the possibility of Manny's adopted parents and subsequently Mordon's real parents being someone else, which really wouldn't surprise me. But I'm way more partial to it being connected to Manny, than to Acorn.
Chester and Muriel are black though. So, wouldn't Mordon have to be black too, since he and Manny were apparently switched at birth?
Then again... I did play Fable 2 as a female hero once, and had her give birth to a black son; after getting it on with a white man.
Like I said, I'd be perfectly fine if their parents were someone else. I just don't think Acorn is their son and I'm sticking to it until proven otherwise.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 04, 2016, 02:43:38 PMsince according to data files of stuff cut from chapter two
Where in the Data Files do you see all this stuff, do you open it with some program or is it Videos.
Here you are. Well, some of it anyway, not done yet. http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/KQC2_development
I'm not overly concerned with who Acorn's parents are. Unless he is revealed to be part squirrel or something.
BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :rofl:
Well, you gotta have a saving throw to your audience if they don't like the subtle bestiality undertones that a character and his pet have together.
Acorn is King of the Squirrels.
I kinda think Acorn is like Kronk from The Emperor's New Groove. Squirrels like him and he can talk to them.
Kronk is more of a cook than a tailor though.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on May 05, 2016, 01:57:19 PM
Here you are. Well, some of it anyway, not done yet. http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/KQC2_development
Anything about Chapter 1 and Chapter 3 :)
Why would they cut out those, i do hope after the finished Game we get those scenes.
Just go looking through the wiki. I'm sure there's something on there about those. I only linked that one because you asked.
Chapter 3 Tower climbing, so familiar.
Sure this is based on KQ but doesent the bricks coming out remind anyone of KQ6 the Cliff of Logic.
Theres also another wall climbing with bricks coming out and thats in the Never Ending Story 2 where Sebastian is Wishing on bricks to come out so he can climb a Tower.
Yep. Thankfully no copyright protection! ;)
Quote from: Jack Stryker on May 05, 2016, 10:15:12 PM
Kronk is more of a cook than a tailor though.
He is, but both Kronk and Acorn are big strong guys that have creative hobbies though. Acorn expresses himself through knitting and Kronk through cooking.
QuoteSure this is based on KQ but doesent the bricks coming out remind anyone of KQ6 the Cliff of Logic.
A little, yeah. I kinda wished the tower had more of nod to them with some puzzle to solve on the way up.
How soon would you expect Ch4, well August soon.
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2016/04/25/kings-quest-2015-chapter-4-release-date.htm
August, huh? That'll be easy to remember since my mom's birthday is in August.
I've actually kind of come to appreciate this series.
Does anyone have a walkthrough for the compassion path?
August is also when the next WoW expansion comes out. Good month for a gamer like me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: kyranthia on May 06, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
Quote from: Jack Stryker on May 05, 2016, 10:15:12 PM
Kronk is more of a cook than a tailor though.
He is, but both Kronk and Acorn are big strong guys that have creative hobbies though. Acorn expresses himself through knitting and Kronk through cooking.
*shrug* Yeah, okay. Fair enough analogy then.
Quote from: kyranthia on May 06, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
QuoteSure this is based on KQ but doesent the bricks coming out remind anyone of KQ6 the Cliff of Logic.
A little, yeah. I kinda wished the tower had more of nod to them with some puzzle to solve on the way up.
I was thinking about that when I first saw it myself. I even muttered the narration, "That's quite a way to welcome a guest."
Does anyone have a walkthrough of the compassion path?
Whoops... sorry, I was going to answer that in my previous post, but forgot. Daventry has this walkthrough here. It does pretty much cover most answers to all three paths.
http://www.gameboomers.com/wtcheats/pcKk/KQ2015.htm
You know, I was a bit surprised Princess Vee wasn't Princess Val. The game sure likes wordplay and puns. Then you have Val 'n' Neese which would be somewhat close sounding to Valanice.
I kinda wish it was too, because then we wouldn't get ridiculous "third princess" theories like Amaya being named Ally and her being the third princess. Nevermind that if her name is supposed to be Ally, they would have named her f***ing Ally in the first place, and nevermind that she's clearly NOT trapped in the Tower, and nevermind that when you look at her portrait as an awkward yet cute youngster, she's clearly dressed as a commoner girl and if she was a princess, she wouldn't be in Daventry as their blacksmith.
Also... wouldn't it be hilarious if Mr. Fancycakes was secretly behind everything? Like a goat was the mastermind pulling the strings, but because he's so awesome and adorable, nobody takes notice until it's too late? ;)
Unless she's some sort of lost princess, but I doubt that.
Ha! I think it would be funny if Mr. Fancycakes was more than just a goat. Of course then there could be some silly pun like, "That's right. I'm a the GOAT - as in Greatest of All Time!"
I realize Zelda Williams is in her mid-20s but I get the impression Amaya is more middle aged.
Yeah, exactly. Plus, judging from the brief snippet of the scene I've actually seen of the route that has Graham visit Amaya, she didn't know about the Tower until AFTER Graham told her about it.
You know... despite me really being against the whole "We should've been able to change Hagatha back" thing because it's quite clear that it's impossible and both she and Graham know this... on the plus side, this shows how good the writing was for Hagatha. We can't change her fate, but there's at least one person out there who wishes things could be different, that she could be saved. They actually give a damn about her, which is a very good thing in a story driven game like this. :)
Kinda reminds me both of Achaka, in that the writing is so strong it gets a reaction like that even almost a year later, and Asriel from Undertale, where that character is beloved by fans and several wish to change his final fate at any cost.
And actually, I've come to the realization why fics where Achaka lives aren't as common as ones where Asriel is saved (there's only two fanfics out there that deal with that, though I'm planning a couple myself, both are slash fics and one is really good and very light and subtle about said pairing and the other is just weird and has him inexplicably alive just for the sake of him and Graham doing the hanky panky. Neither of mine are slash though) It's because Asriel, we don't officially meet until the climax and the true pacifist ending, and before that he was a villain and we don't know his story at all until the end. Achaka though? We meet him at the very beginning of the game, when he's nothing but a rusted and rotted corpse that we take his bow from, and no matter what we do, we can't change his fate in the end, because otherwise things would be totally different timeline wise, the dragon confrontation would be different, Graham would have grown as a person differently and so on...
It's all about timing.
And I'm sure that if none of you've played Undertale, that just flew over your heads. Sorry about that.
It's okay, all of this is flying over my head since I've never seen any actual footage from episode three outside of the trailer.
One thing I admit I would have liked to see in chapter one, which they are doing in subsequent chapters, is I kinda wish the first chapter took place over more than just one day. Like, day 1 is the Chivalry Test, getting to meet everyone and so on, day 2 is the quest for the Eye, and either the three duels would take up their own days individually or they'd all take place in a single long day that you could see time passing as you went along with one being in the morning, one in the afternoon and one in the evening as sunset approaches.
The only question would be... where would everyone sleep? There's no inn we can see, and the barracks are probably off limits to people who aren't Knights, which they are not as of yet.
That's all right, everyone knows the inns in the KQ franchise are always safe to sleep in
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...oh.
Yeah... *nods knowingly*
Can't really say every inn in the Quest for Glory universe was a dream come true either.
(http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/615373-quest-for-glory-ii-trial-by-fire-dos-screenshot-accommodation.png)
Anyway, I imagine they'd have some kind of encampment, probably patrolled by Kyle and Larry. But I wonder if they'd be fed too, or if they'd have to go out and hunt their own meals.
Yeah, I realized that after I said it. I know Graham at least knows how to make a campsite, given he mentioned it to Triumph in the beginning. I can kinda see them hunting since that would be good skills to learn and show off since I doubt every mission they'd be going on would be in populated areas (Achaka being the best at it, though Manny probably would come close too), but at the same time they probably wouldn't be all that far from the town either. When you're out in the wilderness, it's easier to get lost or separated or get caught in traps and so on.
Sierra put out a teaser image for Chapter 4. (Well concept art, but still...)
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialSierraGames/photos/a.769718133063756.1073741831.708856695816567/1071855106183389/?type=3&theater
Yep!
Cool. We finally get to see Alexander in the game. He doesn't look half bad.
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Steam Update for New Achievements have been revealed, so i think we might get Ch4 in the middle or end of September
Was there ever a sphinx in the KQ Games or MOE
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Hello, ugly...
Quote from: Rock Knight on August 30, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
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Hopefully Alexander's not a creep this time around.
Wouldn't surprise me if they elaborated on Alexander and Cassima's relationship a little bit. They did a great job making Graham and Valanice's relationship, no matter which lady you choose, really sweet so assuming this is post KQ5, I'm not that worried.
If Alexander doesn't say "ZOUNDS! A trap floor!" at any point in this chapter, I'm calling bullcrap.
:rofl: Well, Gwendolyn had to pick up the word from someone. ;)
Quote from: Numbers on September 02, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: daventry on September 02, 2016, 03:59:44 AM
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Hello, ugly...
Quote from: Rock Knight on August 30, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
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Hopefully Alexander's not a creep this time around.
The "Alexander is a creep/KQ SUCKS" attitude is getting a bit tired. KQ6 is considered one of the best adventure games ever released. And the KQ series as a whole were and are great games.
I always thought he was pretty normal, considering his upbringing.
I guess my problem with Alexander is that I had played KQ5 before KQ6, and thus I knew the backstory between Alexander and Cassima: namely, there wasn't any. They only shared one scene together in which Alexander awkwardly flirted with Cassima and then kissed her hand before the scene ended, and that was it. It would've been simple for Cassima to tell Graham in their first meeting that she checked on the castle frequently and made friends with Alexander earlier, so their relationship wouldn't feel so out of nowhere. It's also a very blatant sequel hook, which I'm not a fan of.
And yes, I'm aware that KQ2 had much the same plot as KQ6 and had even less of a relationship between Graham and Valanice, but I won't dock points on that one since it's very much a product of its time, and it would've been weird for the game's writers to spend time on a romance plot in a game as simple as that one, hence KQ2+, TSL and TOG Chapter 3 expanding on said romance by adding their own little twists to it.
How old is Alexander supposed to be in KQ6? Don't know what age he is canonically, in my mind he's 16-18. Anyhow, I find it easy to accept that someone that age can fall in love after one awkward encounter, especially for someone who has (presumably) barely interacted with women outside of his family.
I think it's less acceptable if he's meant to be older, though.
I think most headcanon the idea that they kept in touch through the Magic Mirror. But really, KQ6 does develop it more than just that scene in KQ5. A stalker wouldn't outright admit "I'm here to see Cassima," they'd be more sneaky about it, avoid any questions etc. Besides, Cassima DOES say she's lonely in the intro, mentioning him by name no less, so it's clear they both have feelings for eachother still/already. And it's also a classic fairy tale trope, falling in love at first sight and blah blah blah. Though I do admit, the idea of Cassima and Alexander meeting that way you said is actually rather cute.
I like Alexander. I like his relationship with Cassima. Considering that they pulled off several relationships so darn well in chapter 3, I suspect they'll elaborate on and tweak their romance where it's needed, if it's shown at any point anyways. While I have a suspicion that Alexander is going to be a major part in this episode, I doubt that he's going to be like the main character here since Graham's trying to tell his story and he wouldn't know what's going through Alexander's head unless he can read minds or he deliberately asks, "Hey, what's up with you? You okay?".
I believe Alexander is... 19 in 6? Because he's 17 in 3 (because it's emphasized canonically that his 18th birthday is coming up and that's when, if he doesn't screw up beforehand, Manannan will kill him because the age of physical adulthood in this realm), 18 in 4 and 5. 6 takes place I believe 6 months later after 5...
[spoiler]Speaking of KQ2, btw, I actually had kind of a revelation (or maybe it's just a theory? No, I'm not going to make a joke) about the old series awhile back- In chapter 3, it's emphasized that the events of KQ2 are just meant to be a story, a fairy tale, and the chapter itself is what really happened. And what struck me when I learned about that is this is a really good explanation for why the characters and storylines in the old series are just... there. The stories aren't all that deep, and the characters are just plot devices and really don't have that much in terms of personality, just being there to help further Graham's goals from plot point A to plot point B to get item C to solve puzzle D. Of course, if this were just a fairy tale being told to people, they wouldn't really care about personality and depth and development and likability, they just want to see Graham go through his quest and move on. Graham himself, up until 5, was a flat character with no personality whatsoever which always bothered me because unless there's a reason like, "This character is built from the ground up by YOU (Quest for Glory, The Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Mass Effect etc)" or, "This world is vast and open and has so much detail put into it that your characters are just kinda along for the ride and aren't really important besides the story and there's a greater emphasis on the side characters (Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, Undertale etc)" then the flat protagonist concept just doesn't work for me and I have a REALLY hard time caring for them as characters when they never emote, react, speak and so on (which is why I gravitate towards TSL and TOG so much is that, unlike AGDI which followed Roberta's vision of "Graham is a stoic manly man who never gives up!" to a T, they said "Nuts to that!" and gave Graham a personality anyway). But if the old series was a bunch of fairytales, of COURSE they wouldn't care about Graham as a person, just that he's a stand in for a heroic archetype that anyone can aspire to. Who do you say Graham is? Well, that's up to the writer, and the reader.
But of course, in the "real world", these people aren't just plot points. The villains aren't evil just because the story needed a villain, they have deeper motivations than that. The princess isn't just going to accept a marriage proposal out of the blue without getting to know the guy first.
And if the old series is indeed, just meant to be fairytales and stories, then who's to say that you couldn't tweak the same idea for the fan games as well? KQ2+ might be the version of the story that Rosella was told by her father when she was little. TSL might have, in reality, far less elaborate in plot and the wedding might have gone off okay or at the very least some things were exaggerated. And even so, over time how many times have we seen a "new" version of an old story be done, like how many times fairytales have been rewritten to more/less scary or gravitate towards different societal standards/values at the time of writing it for the masses? Whose to say that the fan games couldn't be just like that, in a way, with TOG just being yet another attempt at telling the story in a different light with it attempting to make things more real and actually make us care for once rather than going through the motions of a story we already know? In fact, this whole "fairytale VS real story" thing is arguably canon, because that was the explanation about the remake of KQ1, IIRC, that the original AGI was the fairytale told by Roberta (the Great Dreamer) and the remake as written by Derek Karlavaegan is the real story (I certainly hope I'm remembering that right, if I'm wrong then switch it around and call me out on it please).[/spoiler]
That's a funny idea, but I think it's unnecessary. What's that old quote about absence and the heart? Besides, magic mirror Skype is a bit too convenient for me to accept. :P
19 is close enough that it doesn't change my thoughts on it. Somehow I forgot about that point from KQ3 even though I played it a month ago. It was right in the intro, wasn't it?
Good point.
Kind of off topic, but I watched a playthrough of KQ6 recently and one thing I hadn't noticed before, is that they say in the intro that several months passed since Alex met Cass and it takes him three more months to get to the land of the Green Isles.
I'm calling bull fertilizer on that, because... let's be real here. If it had been that long, Cass would have already been married- and murdered- by Alhazred; who would already be king. It couldn't possibly have taken several months for that wedding to be arranged. Also, there's no way the ship could have enough provisions to last a three month long voyage. And even so, the wedding scene; where they mention Alex's crew making it home safely, takes place a week later. How could they possibly make it all the way back to Daventry- via lifeboats- in less than a week, if it took them three months to get to the Green Isles on the ship?
I thought there was an evil magic at work that made the Green Isles hard to find. Once Alhazred and his minions are gone, the magic is gone.
Quote from: Quelea on September 03, 2016, 06:37:26 PM
That's a funny idea, but I think it's unnecessary. What's that old quote about absence and the heart? Besides, magic mirror Skype is a bit too convenient for me to accept. :P
I now have an unfortunate image in my mind of Alexander talking to Cassima through the magic mirror, Skype-style, that involves Cassima doing a striptease in her room to arouse Alexander, only to follow it up with "By the way, I'm marrying the guy who killed my parents. See ya in a bit!"
Quote from: Numbers on September 04, 2016, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: Quelea on September 03, 2016, 06:37:26 PM
That's a funny idea, but I think it's unnecessary. What's that old quote about absence and the heart? Besides, magic mirror Skype is a bit too convenient for me to accept. :P
I now have an unfortunate image in my mind of Alexander talking to Cassima through the magic mirror, Skype-style, that involves Cassima doing a striptease in her room to arouse Alexander, only to follow it up with "By the way, I'm marrying the guy who killed my parents. See ya in a bit!"
Err... not that that wasn't funny, but I don't think Cassima was really aware of that little detail. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if she did know about Alhazred killing them, she would have shouted it to the guard dogs in the hall outside her room; which would lead to an investigation and possibly Alhazred's downfall. (Similarly, that kind of fate can also happen to the Quest for Glory thief hero in Dragon Fire, if he doesn't give Ferrari the blackbird.)
Quote from: Numbers on September 04, 2016, 12:36:10 PM
I now have an unfortunate image in my mind of Alexander talking to Cassima through the magic mirror, Skype-style, that involves Cassima doing a striptease in her room to arouse Alexander, only to follow it up with "By the way, I'm marrying the guy who killed my parents. See ya in a bit!"
My apologies.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on September 04, 2016, 12:27:44 AM
Also, there's no way the ship could have enough provisions to last a three month long voyage. And even so, the wedding scene; where they mention Alex's crew making it home safely, takes place a week later. How could they possibly make it all the way back to Daventry- via lifeboats- in less than a week, if it took them three months to get to the Green Isles on the ship?
I assumed that the genie sent the men home.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on September 04, 2016, 03:28:50 PM
Err... not that that wasn't funny, but I don't think Cassima was really aware of that little detail. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if she did know about Alhazred killing them, she would have shouted it to the guard dogs in the hall outside her room; which would lead to an investigation and possibly Alhazred's downfall. (Similarly, that kind of fate can also happen to the Quest for Glory thief hero in Dragon Fire, if he doesn't give Ferrari the blackbird.)
Yeah, the rule of humor is in effect here, not so much with logic.
Quote from: kyranthia on September 04, 2016, 06:43:54 PM
I assumed that the genie sent the men home.
I'm not sure about this. Alhazred was out for Alexander's blood from the start, so letting his ship's crew survive, let alone sending them back home unharmed, seems like an unnecessary risk to take.
Yeah, I doubt Shamir even KNEW about the men at all. That's not ever mentioned.
If you go by the Companion, doesn't each KQ game take at least a few weeks, if not several months with the exception of 1, 3 and 4? KQ5 takes place a good few weeks as I remember. I think KQ6 does as well.
As to the age question:
Alexander is 19 in KQ6. Graham is 44.
Quote from: Rock Knight on September 04, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
Alexander is 19 in KQ6. Graham is 44.
Robbie Benson didn't exactly sound 19 in KQ6, did he? Then again, in KQ3 Redux, Rosella sounded way older than she should have as well.
And then we have King Graham, middle-aged, and absolutely ripped. He's like the Stephen Lang of fantasy.
(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/02/stephenlangcable-169807.jpg)
So Graham had two adventures under his belt before age 25, and Alexander and Rosella had two each by age 20. That kiddo from the new game had better get to work.
This might be cliche, but man, it's weird getting to an age where a lot of protagonists your age or younger. I'm glad Graham has actually aged over the years.
QuoteThat kiddo from the new game had better get to work.
Alexander or Graham???
But yes, I am glad of that too. It's just another detail that I really enjoy about it.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 05, 2016, 05:02:27 PM
Alexander or Graham???
Seems pretty obvious to me that Quelea was referring to Gwendolyn.
*facepalms* I feel like an idiot.
Quote from: Numbers on September 05, 2016, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Rock Knight on September 04, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
Alexander is 19 in KQ6. Graham is 44.
Robbie Benson didn't exactly sound 19 in KQ6, did he? Then again, in KQ3 Redux, Rosella sounded way older than she should have as well.
And then we have King Graham, middle-aged, and absolutely ripped. He's like the Stephen Lang of fantasy.
(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/02/stephenlangcable-169807.jpg)
Think about it timewise -
KQ3 and KQ4 take place just before Alex and Rosella's 18th birthday.
KQ5 according to the manual takes place a year later, so they're 19.
KQ6 takes place several months after 5 (based on the intro), so at BEST, Alex is 19 turning 20.
In KQ7, Rosella is said to be "nearly 20 years old", so, KQ3-7 all take place within the span of a year.
The only gaps are between 1 and 2 (several years), between 2 and 3 (at least 18 years), and between 7 and 8 (probably a few years if not a decade), and between 8 and the new game (at least several decades).
So? What does that prove? I didn't ask for that information. I was just commenting on the disparity between the actors' voices and the ages of the characters they portray.
QuoteYeah, I doubt Shamir even KNEW about the men at all. That's not ever mentioned.
Probably not. I just assumed if you got the good ending to the game where Alexander is Shamir's master, Alexander wished them home safely.
QuoteRobbie Benson didn't exactly sound 19 in KQ6, did he?
Nor did he sound like he was 21 for the movie Beauty and the Beast. :)
Given that he was a monster for most of the movie, I'll give him a pass on that.
Quote from: Numbers on September 06, 2016, 04:08:42 PM
So? What does that prove? I didn't ask for that information. I was just commenting on the disparity between the actors' voices and the ages of the characters they portray.
I'm sorry, I misread what you meant. I thought you meant that because he sounded older, it meant that Alexander was likely intended to be older. Sorry.
All right, and I apologize if I seemed snappish back at you.
Modern Rosella
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr7qbt0UkAEvXV0.jpg:large)
Looks like a more practical version of the KQ7 outfit. I'll wait to see what it looks like in 3D. I found the screenshot they released of Alexander looked better than the concept art.
Wow, she's skinny. I know it's stylized and all, but that corset can't be comfortable.
I'll take back what I said about practicality if that's really a corset and not just character design. Think it could be the latter, though, as Alexander looks tiny as well.
Well, it is just concept art. Probably not spot on, what she'll look like in the game.
I didn't even consider that was a corset. Do corsets come with popped collars?
Well, at least you guys aren't complaining that "OMG SHORT HAIR WHY?!" or "OMG WHY DOES SHE WEAR PANTS!?"
Good. I'm in somewhere sane at last.
OMG SHORT HAIR WHY?!
IF ROSELLA DOESN'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS...
(http://images.twistmagazine.com/uploads/posts/image/75718/dove-cameron-toms-bullying.jpg)
...THEN SHE ISN'T ROSELLA! THIS IS HERESY!!!
[spoiler]If you're wondering who that is, that's Dove Cameron, a Disney Channel star. Aside from having green eyes instead of blue, she is, in my humble opinion, a dead ringer for Rosella as she appeared in the original games. And unlike other people's fan-favorite casting choices for Rosella in a hypothetical live-action KQ movie (Jennifer Lawrence has been brought up), Dove is about the right age for the part.
Then again, I wanted Sophie Turner to play Mary-Jane Watson in the upcoming Spider-Man movie, but the character's being played by Zendaya of all people, so what do I know about casting?[/spoiler]
Huh! :nod: Yeah, she does look the part! She could just get colored contacts, or it could be justified by having one of her parents be green eyed. I haven't watched Disney Channel in, oh about a decade or so, so I sadly don't know who that is and don't know if she can act. Though I'd imagine you wouldn't pick her if she didn't both look the part and knew how to act.
In all seriousness though, I really thank you for that, I needed that chuckle today. Thinking back on a very very long (like three hours long) discussion on Facebook I had earlier today, arguing over a very old and tired KQ topic that's brought up over and over again every time there's a new chapter coming out really drained me, as well as making me shake my head. Fandoms sometimes.
I prefer TSL's version of Rosella personally.
I've got no problem with short hair. Hell, my first ever video game crush was Jill Valentine and look at her hair.
(http://www.modsfallout4.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Jill-Valentine-save-Resident-Evil-8.jpg)
It's not the shorter hair, it's the pants. I guess I just prefer the earlier portrayals of Rosella as a fairytale princess, albeit one with spunk. Also, pantaloons on a lady don't strike me as very period accurate to the general Medieval/Renaissance vibe the series has. That said, I'll wait until the Chapter is out to truly judge how she's been reimagined. It's really how she acts as opposed to how she looks. I greatly enjoyed Chapter 3, so if Chapter 4 is anything like it, I'm probably in for a great time.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 10, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
I didn't even consider that was a corset. Do corsets come with popped collars?
Well, at least you guys aren't complaining that "OMG SHORT HAIR WHY?!" or "OMG WHY DOES SHE WEAR PANTS!?"
Good. I'm in somewhere sane at last.
I'll admit that when I first saw the picture, I cynically wondered whether people would be more upset about the hair or the pants. But people seem relatively level-headed on this forum. I am pretty disconnected from video game communities and fandom in general so I don't know how it's been received elsewhere.
I like the hair. And the best part is, even if you don't like it, it'll grow back eventually! She didn't lose a limb.
Quote from: Rock Knight on September 11, 2016, 03:35:42 AM
It's not the shorter hair, it's the pants. I guess I just prefer the earlier portrayals of Rosella as a fairytale princess, albeit one with spunk. Also, pantaloons on a lady don't strike me as very period accurate to the general Medieval/Renaissance vibe the series has. That said, I'll wait until the Chapter is out to truly judge how she's been reimagined. It's really how she acts as opposed to how she looks. I greatly enjoyed Chapter 3, so if Chapter 4 is anything like it, I'm probably in for a great time.
I think that's a fair criticism and a good point. We'll see how it looks in motion and how it fits with her portrayal here.
Quote from: Rock Knight on September 10, 2016, 09:56:53 PM
I prefer TSL's version of Rosella personally.
I like TSL's take on all of the main four characters except Alexander. Something about his Anime-esque hair, and his voice; he went from being soft-spoken in KQ6 to way too loud and theatrical in TSL.
I actually don't mind Rosella having pants. Despite not looking like something a member of royalty would wear, they are, as Quelea pointed out, far more practical than the full dress and high heels she wore in KQ7.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on September 11, 2016, 12:12:00 AM
I've got no problem with short hair. Hell, my first ever video game crush was Jill Valentine and look at her hair.
(http://www.modsfallout4.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Jill-Valentine-save-Resident-Evil-8.jpg)
I personally don't like to admit it--it's kind of an odd subject--but there are certain video game characters I find sexy, in spite of the fact that they're literally just a 3D model. Alyx Vance, for example.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/half-life/images/e/e9/Alyx.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100621104119&path-prefix=en)
She's not traditionally beautiful in the same way Rosella was portrayed in the original KQ series. She has short hair, she isn't blonde, and she isn't even Caucasian. But damn if I'm not attracted to her. Why? Because she feels like a real person, not an outlandish sexy female video game princess caricature. She's feisty without being an outright jerk, she's affectionate toward you even though your character never speaks a word, and she's got a sense of humor that feels like something a real person would have.
And while we're on the subject, Samus Aran = win.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/5/5e/Samus_model6.png/revision/latest?cb=20140819231835)
I'm not attracted to her because of the way she looks outside of her armor, though that certainly helps. You don't even see what she looks like most the games, as she's completely encased in armor, not to mention that unlike most women, she's a six-and-a-half foot tall giant (except for in Other M, where she appears to be much more petite than the other characters, though that's the least of that game's problems). And, once again except for Other M, she rarely speaks in the other games. So why am I attracted to her? Because actions speak louder than words, and the actions she takes in those games are the actions only a true badass would take. One of my favorite video game endings is Metroid Prime 2, wherein everyone lines up to salute her, and she just gives a kind of lazy wave as if to say "No need for that, I'm used to having days like this."
Too loud? He yelled twice, once calling Cassima's name (which well he is worried, why wouldn't he do so?) and once right before he's blasted by Manannan (which, well, wouldn't you scream if you about to die horribly?).
Came across some screenshots from the new chapter:
(http://www.xboxachievements.com/images/achievements/3324/121909-hi.jpg)
Alexander pulls off a Kubrick stare rather nicely
(http://www.xboxachievements.com/images/achievements/3324/121910-hi.jpg)
At least Graham's excited.
Also, Rosella on model doesn't look half bad.
(http://www.xboxachievements.com/images/achievements/3324/121905-hi.jpg)
(http://www.xboxachievements.com/images/achievements/3324/121913-hi.jpg)
http://www.xboxachievements.com/game/kings-quest-xbox-one/achievements/
[spoiler]Uh oh, it's me again. Don't worry, no more unsolicited Star Trek opinions here.[/spoiler]
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 11, 2016, 07:37:14 PM
wouldn't you scream if you about to die horribly?
No. No I wouldn't. In real life, almost nobody screams when they know they're about to get shot to death, or whatever. They go into shock. Screaming before your own death is strictly something that happens in fiction.
Quote from: Birdy on September 11, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
(http://www.xboxachievements.com/images/achievements/3324/121909-hi.jpg)
Alexander pulls off a Kubrick stare rather nicely
[spoiler]Uh oh, it's me again. Don't worry, no more unsolicited Star Trek opinions here.[/spoiler]
Alexander always did have the most baggage of the main four. Here, his expression is...well, pretty much my expression on any given moment of any day of my life.
And don't worry about Star Trek. I was having an especially bad "Kubrick Stare Alexander" esque day.
Ooh, where'd you find these pictures?
I like everyone's expressions here. Especially Alexander's "I am not amused" face! XD
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 11, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
Ooh, where'd you find these pictures?
I like everyone's expressions here. Especially Alexander's "I am not amused" face! XD
Right here: http://www.xboxachievements.com/game/kings-quest-xbox-one/achievements/
They appear to go along with the achievements. I guess Alexander makes that face when he's pestered.
I like Graham's beard there. If this episode takes place right after KQ5, then I think I can understand Alex's expression. "And my son, Alexander; who started this whole mess." Gee, thanks, Dad! Excuse me for being kidnapped and not wanting to be a slave anymore! But seriously though, I'm pretty sure it's something more than that. I don't really see him as the kind of guy who holds that kind of grudge.
QuoteI personally don't like to admit it--it's kind of an odd subject--but there are certain video game characters I find sexy, in spite of the fact that they're literally just a 3D model.
I have actually met the real Jill (or rather, the model whose likeness was used to create the character) at a convention. Though at the time, I thought she was just another cosplayer.
(http://img12.deviantart.net/0e1c/i/2016/095/1/9/indy__n__jill_by_jackstryker-d9xtzpe.jpg)
Quote from: Jack Stryker on September 11, 2016, 08:53:57 PM
I like Graham's beard there. If this episode takes place right after KQ5, then I think I can understand Alex's expression. "And my son, Alexander; who started this whole mess." Gee, thanks, Dad! Excuse me for being kidnapped and not wanting to be a slave anymore! But seriously though, I'm pretty sure it's something more than that. I don't really see him as the kind of guy who holds that kind of grudge.
I'm pretty excited to see what they do with his character in this chapter, honestly.
Same here. Both Graham and Alex. Alex they're going to have a LOT riding on here, because he's a pretty beloved character, and if they screw it up, people will riot...
Middle-aged Graham notably less stacked than before.
Quote from: Numbers on September 11, 2016, 07:48:23 PM
Alexander always did have the most baggage of the main four. Here, his expression is...well, pretty much my expression on any given moment of any day of my life.
Wouldn't mind seeing him deal with some of that baggage. I understand why it's not really addressed in the games, and I have no desire to see KQ games get real dark. Maybe they can touch on it without going too far.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on September 11, 2016, 08:53:57 PM
(http://img12.deviantart.net/0e1c/i/2016/095/1/9/indy__n__jill_by_jackstryker-d9xtzpe.jpg)
You resemble an actor whose name and acting credits I cannot remember right now.
Harrison Ford - Indiana Jones
Thanks. :) Yeah, a little drama couldn't hurt, but I also hope they don't take it too far.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 11, 2016, 09:35:57 PM
Alex they're going to have a LOT riding on here, because he's a pretty beloved character, and if they screw it up, people will riot...
Alexander? Beloved? Sure. Whatever you say.
Although, personally, my least favorite KQ6 character is Lady Celeste. I imagine she's a lot of people's least favorite character.
Quote from: Quelea on September 12, 2016, 04:47:34 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing him deal with some of that baggage. I understand why it's not really addressed in the games, and I have no desire to see KQ games get real dark. Maybe they can touch on it without going too far.
I can just imagine Chapter 4 having the same lighthearted tone that the rest of the chapters have, with Graham going off on wacky adventures...and then it cuts to Alexander sitting in a corner, cutting himself and reading Twilight.
"ZOUNDS! These are the worst vampires I've ever seen!"
Quote from: Numbers on September 12, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 11, 2016, 09:35:57 PM
Alex they're going to have a LOT riding on here, because he's a pretty beloved character, and if they screw it up, people will riot...
Alexander? Beloved? Sure. Whatever you say.
Although, personally, my least favorite KQ6 character is Lady Celeste. I imagine she's a lot of people's least favorite character.
Quote from: Quelea on September 12, 2016, 04:47:34 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing him deal with some of that baggage. I understand why it's not really addressed in the games, and I have no desire to see KQ games get real dark. Maybe they can touch on it without going too far.
I can just imagine Chapter 4 having the same lighthearted tone that the rest of the chapters have, with Graham going off on wacky adventures...and then it cuts to Alexander sitting in a corner, cutting himself and reading Twilight.
"ZOUNDS! These are the worst vampires I've ever seen!"
It's all really Monty Python-esque, innit?
And then Mordack comes out of nowhere and says "Nobody expects the Black Cloak Inquisition!"
I do hope Chapter 4 will be long like Chapter 1, because they have to deal with KQ3 KQ4 KQ5 and i think KQ6 if that will be in Chapter 5 which could be for KQ7 and dare i say it MOE
Quote from: Numbers on September 12, 2016, 01:15:17 PM
And then Mordack comes out of nowhere and says "Nobody expects the Black Cloak Inquisition!"
I think at this point, you know what, they might as well go full on parody or full on python with it, we've never had an insane KQ game before...
Yeah, we've never had KQ played as a straight comedy before TOG rebooted it. There are bizarre puzzle solutions aplenty scattered throughout the series (mostly from KQ5), but KQ has never been as batsh*t insane as, say, Space Quest.
Not that that's a bad thing. I will never forgive the original AGI SQ1 for that stupid luck-based slot machine puzzle. I'm so glad they changed that with the VGA remake.
Quote from: Numbers on September 12, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Although, personally, my least favorite KQ6 character is Lady Celeste. I imagine she's a lot of people's least favorite character.
I sympathize with Lady Celeste. She's having a lousy day when we meet her.
Speaking of comedy, I laughed harder at this line in following cutscene than anything else in the games so far:
"I am expected to thank you for saving my daughter's life.
...So, I thank you."
She's not exactly my favorite character either, but her part is pretty short. Still, she isn't much of a better character in TSL. In fact, sadly, the oracle and the Queen seem to be the only two of their people who aren't total deuches.
Quote from: Quelea on September 12, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: Numbers on September 12, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Although, personally, my least favorite KQ6 character is Lady Celeste. I imagine she's a lot of people's least favorite character.
I sympathize with Lady Celeste. She's having a lousy day when we meet her.
Speaking of comedy, I laughed harder at this line in following cutscene than anything else in the games so far:
"I am expected to thank you for saving my daughter's life.
...So, I thank you."
"We're very f---kin thankful!"
"You had our eternal gratitude for, like, two seconds."
Quote from: Numbers on September 12, 2016, 02:43:26 PM
Yeah, we've never had KQ played as a straight comedy before TOG rebooted it. There are bizarre puzzle solutions aplenty scattered throughout the series (mostly from KQ5), but KQ has never been as batsh*t insane as, say, Space Quest.
Not that that's a bad thing. I will never forgive the original AGI SQ1 for that stupid luck-based slot machine puzzle. I'm so glad they changed that with the VGA remake.
I just wanted to ask what your opinion on the new KQ is nowadays?
Myself, I have come to peace with it as sort of being a quirky fantasy game that is KQ in name only. If I look at it as either that, or some alternate universe KQ, it's a lot more easy to accept. It's not a bad game per se, but it's very "Hipster"-y and feels almost like a parody of the original games. Like there was a fundamental lack of understanding as to what defined a KQ game.
Quote from: Rock Knight on September 12, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: Quelea on September 12, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: Numbers on September 12, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Although, personally, my least favorite KQ6 character is Lady Celeste. I imagine she's a lot of people's least favorite character.
I sympathize with Lady Celeste. She's having a lousy day when we meet her.
Speaking of comedy, I laughed harder at this line in following cutscene than anything else in the games so far:
"I am expected to thank you for saving my daughter's life.
...So, I thank you."
"We're very f---kin thankful!"
"You had our eternal gratitude for, like, two seconds."
"And away with you!"
I think the reason I hate Lady Celeste is because of her screechy voice. In KQ6, where the voice acting is a cut above the rest of the games, Celeste sounds like she belongs in a game with lower voice acting standards, like KQ5. That being said, the Isle of Wonder has its own share of characters with obnoxious voices.
But never, ever criticize Jollo's voice. That man is a legend.
Quote from: Rock Knight on September 12, 2016, 06:14:47 PM
I just wanted to ask what your opinion on the new KQ is nowadays?
Myself, I have come to peace with it as sort of being a quirky fantasy game that is KQ in name only. If I look at it as either that, or some alternate universe KQ, it's a lot more easy to accept. It's not a bad game per se, but it's very "Hipster"-y and feels almost like a parody of the original games. Like there was a fundamental lack of understanding as to what defined a KQ game.
As I've stated elsewhere, I don't really hate TOG's KQ that much, at least not as much as I did when it first came out. It's just that it didn't hook me enough to want to see anything past the first chapter. I have no investment in the characters. I'm assuming Graham matures somewhat as the chapters go on, but his goofy, childish portrayal in Chapter 1 was such a disservice to him that I immediately lost interest. I know I'll get called out on for saying "They made Graham less hardcore so now he sucks", but I frankly don't care. In my humble opinion, Graham is at his best in TSL, as a badass grandpa who understands what he's dealing with, and actually has good voice acting for once (apologies to Josh Mandel, but he's a terrible voice actor), and in TOG's KQ--in Chapter 1, at least--he's at his absolute worst, as an insufferable, overly excited man-child. Did anyone ask to see Graham as an awkward teenager? No. No one wants to see that. But they did it anyway, hence why I have no inclination to watch the rest of the chapters.
Better to have a neutral "meh" reaction to the game than absolute hatred, if you ask me.
I would bring up my counterargument and defense of Graham's characterization throughout each chapter... but it doesn't sound like you care, so eh.
So looks like we're getting a release date later this week. Quoth Sierra Games on Facebook:
"Well, well, well... We know that you all have been patiently waiting to hear about when Chapter 4 of King's Quest is coming out. The wait is almost over and we will have big news on this Facebook page later this week..."
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialSierraGames/photos/a.769718133063756.1073741831.708856695816567/1090804407621792/?type=3&theater
Well, they said big news anyway... could be anything. ;)
Hope the trailer comes out soon. ???
I hope the big news is the trailer...
Quote from: Birdy on September 20, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Well, well, well...
Water you gonna do now?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 20, 2016, 04:42:26 PM
Well, they said big news anyway... could be anything. ;)
Actually, I've already heard the big news. The big news is that Alexander is now pansexual and insists on being referred to as "Alexis." Pretty weird, huh?
Oh you. ;)
We do have a release date!
King's Quest Chapter 4: Snow Place Like Home will release worldwide on Sept. 27th for PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Xbox 360, and PC
:partyhat: :partyhat: :partyhat: :partyhat:
Finally!
And there is another teaser image with the royal family.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialSierraGames/photos/a.769718133063756.1073741831.708856695816567/1092329897469243/?type=3&theater
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/09/21/kings-quest-chapter-4-snow-place-like-home-launches-september-27/
And here's a summary.
I'm excited ;D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs7DGTcUMAAj_Ju.jpg:large)
Same here! :)
Is anyone surprised that I am at this point?
It looks fun but I dislike the decision to give Graham a beard as a (younger) man.
Ah, so Chapter 4 is around the corner, and Chapter 5 and the Epilogue will both be released before the holidays. Who wants to bet the Epilogue will have you playing as Gwen?
Maybe it'll be a rematch between Gwen and Gart but it's a full-fledged battle this time and Gwen beats Gart to death with a rock and it gets really gory and then after Gart dies Gwen drinks his [CENSORED FOR NUMBERS' OWN GOOD]
Chapter 4 seems like a nice story, but I wonder if this means a retcon of the whole heart attack scene, or if that's supposed to happen afterwards.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on September 22, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Chapter 4 seems like a nice story, but I wonder if this means a retcon of the whole heart attack scene, or if that's supposed to happen afterwards.
I'm pretty sure this one takes place after 4, but I could be wrong.
Wouldn't be the first time something got retconned.
So I guess this is what Manannan looks like now
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs-k4pSWgAAu837.jpg:large)
Wouldn't it be great if Manannan still had Wallace Shawn's voice?
I mean, Wallace Shawn's voice is still more dignified than the "cat" voice they gave him in KQ5.
If it's the Ice Palace from KQV, then this chapter would at least take place partially after KQIV. Maybe it sorta does III-V in the timeline?
The moment King Graham and Queen Valanice sees Baby Alexander being Kidnapped :o
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtDN5TjUAAAxIxA.jpg)
*nods* Mmmhmm. I tried to post that picture myself earlier, but I still haven't figured out how to insert images into here yet. I know, I've been here HOW long?
Anyway, while I'm sure that is going to be a heartbreaking thing to see in-game... I can't take this specific picture seriously, because of Graham's plaid pajama pants! XD
Perhaps the next time you write something, you should click on the box next to the post button that says "preview" so you know what your post will look like ahead of time. Also, see the button to the right of the "spoiler text" button? Click on that, and insert a hyperlink into the brackets that appear. That's how you post an image.
I think we can all agree that Manannan should totally sound like Wallace Shawn, and for all we know has sounded like that the entire time.
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Test.
Hey, looks like it works! Yay! Thanks, Numbers! Been trying to figure that out for years. I knew what to do (Insert Image seemed obvious) just not how.
Quote from: Bludshot on September 23, 2016, 05:16:17 PM
I think we can all agree that Manannan should totally sound like Wallace Shawn, and for all we know has sounded like that the entire time.
We've already got a preview of what Manny sounds like as Manannan at the end of Chapter 3. It's Wallace Shawn, but gruffer and more sinister sounding because his body is now that of an old man.
Quote from: Numbers on September 22, 2016, 10:28:48 PM
Wouldn't it be great if Manannan still had Wallace Shawn's voice?
I mean, Wallace Shawn's voice is still more dignified than the "cat" voice they gave him in KQ5.
You can hear Wallace Shawn as Manannan at the end of Chapter 3. He sounds much more sinister than he does as Manny. And yes, much more dignified than Cat Manannan in KQ5.
Wait, that was Wallace Shawn? Dang, I didn't even notice.
i am guessing maybe the 3 headed dragon that was at the end of King's Quest 3 maybe in this chapter being retold. Remember Gwendolyne likes it when Graham talks about dragons.
Uh... no. I highly doubt that. Look at the summary again- this is clearly taking place AFTER 3, and probably post 4 (since right after the events of 3, 4 happened, and everyone was focused on Graham's heart attack and seeing as both Graham AND Rosella are here and alive and well and not either held up in bed or off on their own adventure/s, this is post 4) as well. And the chapter is dealing with Alexander, which Graham really wouldn't get a chance to know him during 3, and 4, well, we all know what happened there. Kinda hard to converse with a dying/unconscious man.
There is, after all, a gap between 4 and 5 (or even post 5) that we don't know much about, after all. Sure, we had the events of The Floating Castle, but that's spotty canon at best and I doubt that they'd be referencing the novels of all things here.
IIRC, they said chapter three would be the closest they'd get to retelling any of the original stories, which was obviously KQ2. They haven't gone back on their word yet, and I put my trust in them. Why? Because every chapter SOMETHING about it comes up that gets me anxious about said chapter... and then when I end up playing it, I end up enjoying it, so this time? None of that.
So retelling KQ3 wouldn't make sense.
Just because she likes dragons doesn't mean he's going to oblige EVERY time. At the very least, every time a dragon has been seen, it's had an actual point about it. In chapter one, it was a threat that needed to be dealt with somehow, in two it was symbolic of fear and foreshadowing potential future events in the intro, and in three it was shown the consequences of your actions in 1 briefly and something that was foreshadowed in chapter one was brought up to confirm something. If the three headed dragon was shown at all... why? What would that have to do with the story being told, that being clearly moreso themed around ice and snow and rather than fire?
With an episode themed around ice and snow, maybe in the background you'll see Connor riding the ice dragon from the Frozen Reaches, only to be hit in a head-on collision with the crystal dragon from KQ7, causing the ice dragon to shatter and send Connor plunging to the ground. Then Queen Icebella will take you captive and force you to defeat the dreaded yeti before it feasts on Connor's remains.
QuoteThen Queen Icebella will take you captive and force you to defeat the dreaded yeti before it feasts on Connor's remains.
Some might call that an act of mercy.
Three more days...
Three days till we find out what's getting Alex so pissed...
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I guess there will be no Trailer for Chapter 4
By the way, they said we will expect Chapter 5 and the Epilogue before the Holidays, would that mean these last few Episodes will be as Short like Chapter 3 laced with Cutscenes
Matt Korba posted something about a trailer on Twitter about a month ago.
Two more days...
Do we know at what time tomorrow it will be released, because for many of us with Timezones forward, America wakes up in the morning where basically like me who is from South Africa will get Chapter 4 on Wednesday morning when i wake up if i leave my PC on for the Game to download through Steam during the night
Good question.
I have to work tomorrow, so it doesn't matter to me. I'm pretty sure it'll be out by the time I'm able to sit around playing video games.
I concur with Jack. Just because a game you're anticipating is getting released for download doesn't mean you have to get it immediately. In fact, when a game I'm looking forward to is available, I deliberately hold off on downloading it for a couple weeks minimum, so that the servers aren't overloaded and the game-makers have time to release patches and bugfixes after the initial release.
Fair enough, good point. Plus, it allows for guides to be made.
You guys do enjoy or notice my guide/Walkthrough right. :mote:
Who do you think I was talking about? Just because we don't say anything, doesn't mean that we don't notice them.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on September 26, 2016, 02:44:28 PM
Just because we don't say anything, doesn't mean that we don't notice them.
More people need to understand this. Just because we're not commenting on something of yours doesn't necessarily mean nobody is interested. Check out the "There and back again, a Neverending tale." thread in the Random Talk subforum by Tawmis. Tawmis is literally the one and only contributor to that thread, but he updates it consistently and doesn't complain about people seemingly not paying attention to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXBgsmByjA4&feature=youtu.be
We got a trailer. Seems like they changed quite a bit...
:suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Alex is a firebender now, apparently
He reminds me of someone ???
Why is Alexander so grumpy?
Why does Graham still act like a 15 year old when he looks 50?
Grow up dude, learn from the boy.
PRINCE ALEXANDER IS PRINCE ZUKO :o :o :o
Quote from: daventry on September 27, 2016, 11:16:51 AM
PRINCE ALEXANDER IS PRINCE ZUKO :o :o :o
He even kind of sounds like him
OMG ALEXANDER USES MAGIC FIREBALLS AND THERE'S NO THREE-HEADED DRAGON AND MANANNAN IS VOICED BY WALLACE SHAWN AND KQ4 IS COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER AND GRAHAM STILL ACTS LIKE HE DOES IN THE FIRST CHAPTER AND KING'S QUEST IS RUINED FOREVER YOU GUYZ
This chapter has some horribly misguided attempts at humor, but otherwise it's pretty good so far
And it looks like I can't even download episode 4, because that episode won't download for people who bought the season pass. Thanks, Sierra! I guess it's back to WoW for me.
Ah, "Thanks, Sierra", the sarcastic slogan utilized by many a frustrated adventure gamer. Much like how "Thanks, John" became a meme for similar reasons when John Romero's Daikatana was released.
Quote from: Birdy on September 27, 2016, 02:39:54 PM
This chapter has some horribly misguided attempts at humor, but otherwise it's pretty good so far
"This chapter has incredibly bad writing, but people might like it. We recommend this game for people of all ages, except for people who are too young to solve puzzles or people too old to play video games. This game is okay, we guess. There's too much water, in the form of ice. We don't like water for some reason. Overall, you shouldn't waste your money on it. 10/potato." --IGN
Sounds about right
*guffaws at Numbers's posts*
After playing Chapter 4....
Manny is truly one evil SOB.
He takes the rejected and the vulnerable, and twists their minds to manipulate them. All for the purpose of defeating Graham and causing him sorrow. He uses and destroys anyone connected with Graham for what...? Because Graham beat him fair and square decades ago?
He's a truly twisted being, and I'd say one of the best villains the series has produced. While I disagree on quite a few aspects of this game, their re-imagining of Manannan is on point. He's truly a vile toad.
What about Mordack, is he there
Well, now I've FINALLY managed to get it to start downloading. Good thing I'm off tomorrow, or I wouldn't have time to play it tonight.
I'm enjoying the game as much as I have the others, but... these puzzles, man...
I was getting a distinctly Portal vibe from them. Except not as good. The sphinx was GLaDOS.
Every videogame insists on an ice level. ::)
[spoiler]Is TOG out of money? I get that the puzzle overload was probably in response to Ep 3 criticisms but jeez, 90% of this game is just ice blocks. They are definitely learning as they go which isn't a bad thing, just hope they find the right balance.[/spoiler]
I think my problem is not that the puzzles are difficult... but that I'm simultaneously really stupid and I overthink them WAY too much when the answers are really simple. I think I noticed this first in chapter three and outright confirmed it in chapter four.
A couple examples- [spoiler]Chapter three: The first puzzle at the dinner table. I took RG #3's line of "I can only leave my post if there's an emergency or that tray of peas needs to be refilled" too far, and thought that I had to get Triumph sick somehow for overfeeding him or something.
Chapter four: The first puzzle where Graham and Alexander have split up and Graham is alone. I spent hours figuring out that puzzle, took a break for about three hours, couldn't sleep because the game was on my mind and I kept wondering, "Wait, what if I did this?" and I tried it and solved the puzzle in about five or so minutes. I kept thinking that I needed to somehow connect all three starting points together (or close enough given the limits of the tiles I had). Nope.[/spoiler]
No, no, don't bother telling me that it was the game's fault for not being clear/well designed, I blame myself entirely for all of this. I'm terrible at puzzles like this.
Puzzles were annoying and repetitive.
Alexander just appears after 18 Years, i thought he was 17 in KQ3. No mention of Rosella being saved by 3 headed Dragon. No mention of KQ4. Wheres Cassima.
Quote from: Bludshot on September 28, 2016, 07:09:01 AM
[spoiler]Is TOG out of money? I get that the puzzle overload was probably in response to Ep 3 criticisms but jeez, 90% of this game is just ice blocks. They are definitely learning as they go which isn't a bad thing, just hope they find the right balance.[/spoiler]
Given that this game was funded using stolen money from the Homestuck kickstarter, it's possible they blew it all on the first chapter, which, from what I can tell, is still the best one.
That sounds like quite the story I'll have to google it.
Yeah Episode 1 was considerably longer too, haven't really cared about the smaller playtimes of the other episodes until now, where I would've really liked a change of scenery.
I dunno, I think most enjoyed chapter three.
And well, that's just a rumor. Never been confirmed.
Well, when all you can find on the subject are Homestuck fans hurling accusations via Twitter and a badly written Tumblr post that's since been deleted, it must be true.
Chapter 3 was probably my favorite too, so it was a bummer to see this chapter move away from that.
You do realize the Ice Tower is the Tower from Chapter 3 you climbed to Save Vee/Neese right :)
So? Why would that matter? Though it's of course a nice little detail. I actually have been enjoying the chapter, and I kinda predicted that this chapter would be puzzle based judging from a screenshot I saw before release so it's not like I was surprised when, shock of all shocks, the majority of this chapter is based around puzzles. Like I said, I don't blame the game designers for them, but moreso my own ineptitude at solving what are very simple logic puzzles that I'm sure I'll get through much easier on subsequent playthroughs when I eventually get to them.
Now then, if you'll excuse me, I need to protect Valanice from not getting shot at. I always feel nervous in this game when lives are on the line...
Well, I've finally finished it. It's probably not my favorite chapter, but aside from the excess puzzles and the retconning of KQ4 (which really doesn't make sense, because they're pretty much omitting the whole story of when Gart's parents met), I didn't think it was too bad. I actually really liked the puzzles involving Graham teaming up with Rosella and then with Valanice. Alexander's character development wasn't too shabby to me either. Although, one other turnoff is that it was hard to enjoy the comedy of the episode after a certain tragedy that happens late in the story. The ending wasn't exactly the happiest kind either. And did anyone else find it a little odd that Valanice wears shoes in bed?
I just finished the game myself. I liked it overall as well! That ending, man... :(
Quote from: daventry on September 28, 2016, 01:40:48 PM
You do realize the Ice Tower is the Tower from Chapter 3 you climbed to Save Vee/Neese right :)
[spoiler]Yeah awesome, let's make the princess you didn't choose into a stupid character from KQ5 and kill her off 5 minutes later. :P[/spoiler]
Doesn't seem like KQ4 was necessarily skipped over, it probably just happens before or after this episode.
Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the ending. Like, yeah ok, [spoiler]need more emotional conflict? Just kill off anther character, it worked last time![/spoiler] Other than that, I thought the story was pretty good, though the dialogue was kind of weird. I liked that Alexander had a lot to say, but reactions from Graham would have been a nice touch, considering what he's saying half the time, anyways.
[spoiler]To be fair here, Bludshot, the other princess becoming Queen Icebella was theorized and implied in chapter 3's ending.[/spoiler]
Right sure, I am more irritated they chose not to do anything interesting with it.
Fair enough.
[spoiler]Yeah, I didn't mind her turning into Iceabella. What I minded was Manny just smacking her into the ground and shattering her, instantly ending her life in a snap. Just pathetic.
Also, I forgot about one other little thing that kinda irritated me. When Gwendolyn mentions Cassima, Graham mispronounces her name. It's cuh-see-muh, not cass-im-uh![/spoiler]
I've been hearing a lot of mixed reactions to this chapter. Would some of you say where you would rank this chapter? Still better than Chapter 2? About the same? Even worse?
Worse, I'd say. Here's the thing... It feels like it was written by like five different people with different ideas. I think there's some stuff that works, but there's a lot that reeaally doesn't. The characters' reactions to certain events are weird and contradictory at times, or something really big will happen but is promptly forgotten about or used to set up another lame joke. Plus, Alexander's personality was waaay off. Angsty teen was not the way to go with this. It was just annoying most of the time. It kind of feels like somebody wanted to make the chapter really dark (as it probably should have been) but somebody else kept messing with the tone and putting in weirdly lighthearted moments at inappropriate times. I dunno, I'm rambling at this point, but that's the best way I can really articulate what bugged me about this chapter. It wasn't terrible, it had some scenes that worked, but on the whole I don't think it was as good as the others.
So there ya go. There's my two cents.
Quote from: Birdy on September 28, 2016, 09:58:58 PM
Here's the thing... It feels like it was written by like five different people with different ideas.
That's...actually not that different from a lot of extensive franchises out there.
Quote from: Birdy on September 28, 2016, 09:58:58 PM
Alexander's personality was waaay off. Angsty teen was not the way to go with this. It was just annoying most of the time.
I swear, if Alexander says at any point "From my point of view Manannan is evil!" I am so done with this game.
I give it an 8/10 but coming from me, that really shouldn't be surprising.
As I've said elsewhere on this forum, you have a high tolerance for bullsh*t, so no surprises there.
Yeah we had some major tonal issues. Angsty Alexander makes a lot of sense considering 18 years of getting yelled at by Wallace Shawn sounds horrid, and I think it could've worked if they didn't turn it into a gag where Graham is unintentionally irritating him the entire time. Doesn't help that Alexander becomes well adjusted at the end of it like the whole thing was a 30 minute sitcom problem.
[spoiler]They also implied that Icebella has been murdering people for nearly two decades which they just kinda skim over in favor of a bit where the royal family solves puzzles together. Also why keep the god awful name "Icebella" I can't take the game seriously if they brought that back.[/spoiler]
Finished Chapter 4 - Here is My Walkthrough :suffer:
http://www.gameboomers.com/wtcheats/pcKk/KQ2015.htm
Quote from: Bludshot on September 29, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
[spoiler]Also why keep the god awful name "Icebella" I can't take the game seriously if they brought that back. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]"Icebella" is probably the worst play on words in all of KQ5, and coming from a game that features an ant named "Antony" and a bee named "Beeatrice," that's saying a lot. Hell, "Freesa" from MoE would've been a better name for the character.
[/spoiler]
I have a few questions about Ch4 that bugged me which could all be in Ch5, thus where does Ch4 take place.
After seeing Alexander, Graham doesent decide who should take the Crown where he gets a Heart Attack for Rosella to go on a Journey in Tamir, hence theres no mention of that in Ch4 about Rosella on that part.
Theres also no 3 headed Dragon terrorizing Daventry where Alexander saves Rosella.
[spoiler]At the end of Ch4, we hear the Brother of Manny naming himself as Mordack.
Could Manny turn himself into a 3 Headed Dragon.
At the end of Ch4 we hear in the letter the change of Leadership, could we see some form of Heart Attack of Old Graham before he decides to Crown Gart or Gwendolyn[/spoiler]
My guess is KQ4 takes place after this most recent chapter. 3-headed dragon might just be absent completely.
I don't know. The end scene with Mordack seems to imply that the events of KQ5 are next. Of course, it might be possible that the next chapter's intro will begin with the ending of 4.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on October 01, 2016, 04:06:27 PM
I don't know. The end scene with Mordack seems to imply that the events of KQ5 are next. Of course, it might be possible that the next chapter's intro will begin with the ending of 4.
[spoiler]
Since Mordack mentions getting back at Graham would take a lot of time, maybe the events of KQIV happen while he plots his revenge.
[/spoiler]
I overall give this chapter a 7 out of 10.
[spoiler]
The opening was pretty good. Having Graham on baby duty was kinda cute.
I overall wasn't too impressed with Alexander. I certainly get that everything wouldn't be perfect after being a slave for 18 years, but having him and Graham just bicker did not work for me. Having Graham try a lot to welcome his son home and smothering him a bit made sense.
But the overall 'I forbid you to use magic!' stuff...just...ug. It was like Graham suddenly acted like a Disney hero in a direct to video sequel. He was like basically saying his kid couldn't do something for plot conflict,it seemed like.
And - seeing Graham used magic himself in the past, it just was a bit hypocritical too.
If Graham might have been a bit...I dunno...like scared of Alexander's magic, maybe that would have worked a bit better. Like Graham having PTSD or something.
And then having Graham force Alexander to work on the puzzles...seriously, it would have been better if Graham offered to push blocked around at least once so he didn't seem like he was cracking the whip.
The puzzles were decent but I was getting a bit tired of the similar ones. Okay, push blocks and around and slide tiles...yeah, did this already.
A couple really were pretty good for having to figure out - like the one with the red line and the blue line and the other with the statues that bounced you around the ice. Frustrating, yes, but part for the course for some of the old school puzzles.
The final puzzle though...the door with the latches just tripped me a bit since I thought maybe that would be what Rosella would work on once she had all her pieces or something.
The ending...sad for what happened to Icebella for sure. But...since Graham meets her in KQV, does he meet her ghost?
I honestly wouldn't have thought everyone else who didn't solve the puzzles were dead since with magic sometimes people turned into ice or stone or whatever are in a suspended animation until the spell is broken.
And the we get to the Duel of Wits for real game and then it was like, "Okay, yeah, people probably died in this place."
Which really...I get playing the game and all but with a life on the line, if I were Valanice, I'd just keep shooting the ice guards and ducking arrows. Screw playing by the rules for that one.
I will say, this chapter did seem longer than 2 and 3 (or maybe it was for me since some puzzles took me a bit of time). But I liked it better than 2. (1 and 3 have been my faves so far.) [/spoiler]
[spoiler]I can at least explain the magic thing. Think about it: before that point, Graham had never seen magic being used like how Manannan was using it. To play a trick is one thing, to turn the tables on someone, or transmogrify thingsis another, but to actually harm or subdue or even outright kill someone? (Because I'd imagine that unless they jumped out the window, most likely they had to rush out the front door of the castle, meaning they would have seen the aftermath of the attack on the Royal Guard) He's never seen someone with magic do that before, and with such precision and speed as well. With just a snap of his fingers, Manannan was there shooting lightning, and then with their baby boy in his arms, he was gone in an instant. Even then, even with stuff like the Frost Tonic, that took preparation and ingredients and care, whereas this was just a snap of the fingers and BAM! Unpleasant stuff happened. He's clearly not against it now, but back then he was, at least what Alexander was doing because it's very easy for someone to be hurt by that and, as he said, "Alexander, can you please stop that snapping? It's bringing me back to a very dark place." And indeed when we first see Alexander demonstrate his skill, we see Graham flashing back to Manannan. It probably wouldn't have been as bad of a thing for him if it was someone else who'd done it, but when it's his archenemy who's actually a big threat to them... yeah, he has good reason to avoid it.[/spoiler]
Ok always curious about the magic shield. why doesn't any of the knights carry it with them to guard the castle.
Would it protect him from Manannan's spells. Or when Graham goes traveling by himself probably would of protect him from the goblins.
Oh and another thing what about sending a knight with the magic shield to slay the 3 headed dragon. during those events that happened based on the original King's Quest 3.
Actually, there was some kind of hack I'm not sure how to do, for the SCI version of KQ1; which would allow you to get the magic shield before getting the chest or the mirror. But while getting the shield that way would protect you from the giant, it wouldn't work against the dragon's fire for some reason. And it's especially odd, considering that the fairy godmother's protection spell did work there.
Wow, you learn something new every day. I didn't know that was possible; they even made a custom death message and everything.
I am, however, familiar with the KQ4 mummy death, which you can only get by cheating; the game even comes out and says "How did you get here without the scarab?"
There is a guy in Fallout 3 who has the same reaction, he is inaccessible so if you console command you way there to talk to him he gets confused.
Hmm...I'm perusing some of the Metacritic reviews for Chapter 4, and the reviews are more mixed than positive. According to Chandler Wood from PlayStation Life Style:
"If rumors are true that we'll see the conclusion of King's Quest before the end of the year, I'm concerned that it will be rushed out too quickly for its own good. Or maybe it's just the odd numbered chapters that are the knockouts, offering great story and puzzles. Time will tell how the story concludes, but Snow Place Like Home is the weak link in the King's Quest chain, with weak environments, terrible puzzles, and a lack of any real immersion in the narrative choices as Chapter Four gives players the cold shoulder."
I bet he felt great about himself, coming up with that pun. For not liking the game, it seems that its sense of humor is rubbing off on him.
Everyone loves a good pun.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 01, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
[spoiler] It probably wouldn't have been as bad of a thing for him if it was someone else who'd done it, but when it's his archenemy who's actually a big threat to them... yeah, he has good reason to avoid it.[/spoiler]
I get that, but the execution was rather lame in my opinion.
[spoiler]I actually would have been okay with a freaked out Graham. But the 'because I said so' attitude was just...ug. Annoying.
And way to try to get back into his son's life by making him do all the heavy stuff. It would have been better if the game switched off. At least then, it would seem like Graham was trying.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Is it really "because I said so" if he says why? "That snapping took you away from us." and with him flashing back, it's onviously meant to be traumatic for him.[/spoiler]
*shrugs* Frankly I'm not up for arguing about it right now. I understand, but I disagree.
I'm moreso annoyed over the fact that people are still trying to connect the two canons together, or worse, try to connect TOG with AGDI's remakes even though it doesn't make sense, especially in the latter case, as the tone and characterizations are completely different from eachother.
I mean... I like AGDI, I like TSL too, and I'm sure if I bothered to give it a chance and look past the artwork and voice acting being awful, I'd probably like IA's KQ3 as well... but I've long accepted that they're all separate canons, timelines, universes what have you. I don't instantly try to make everything fit where it clearly doesn't belong, because the more incarnations of this world we get, the harder that becomes. It's hard enough to have AGDI, TSL and the original series in one timeline, but with TOG in the mix shaking up everything, it's practically impossible.
And yet, at least one person in the comments of Paw's LP of chapter 4 is insistent that AGDI and TOG totally match up. *sigh* Fandoms, I swear.
Oh, yeah, don't you know what an absolutely integral role The Father plays in the King's Quest series outside of the AGDI games? Or, for that matter, Shadrack, outside of TSL?
Say what you will about TOG, but at least they're giving closure on the character of Manannan, who is a pretty important antagonist, the only one to show up in more than one game, and furthermore was still at large when the series was (temporarily) cancelled in the wake of MoE. Every other big bad--besides Hagatha, I suppose--is already dispatched by MoE's end, either captured like Alhazred and Malicia, permanently incapacitated like Lucreto, or flat-out dead like Dahlia, Lolotte and Mordack. Manannan's the only one who got away, and I can only assume people have been brainstorming for a long, long time what happened to him. TSL certainly has...
Mmmhmmm. *nods*
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 06, 2016, 07:36:02 PM
[spoiler]Is it really "because I said so" if he says why? "That snapping took you away from us." and with him flashing back, it's onviously meant to be traumatic for him.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think it was the 'I forbid you to use magic!' stuff and whatnot that got to me and I just didn't like.[/spoiler]
Quote*shrugs* Frankly I'm not up for arguing about it right now. I understand, but I disagree.
It's all good. I didn't mean to come off as petty either.
QuoteI'm moreso annoyed over the fact that people are still trying to connect the two canons together, or worse, try to connect TOG with AGDI's remakes even though it doesn't make sense, especially in the latter case, as the tone and characterizations are completely different from each other.
TOG and the original cannon could work in some places but not others, I think. I don't try to force them together either. I take this new game as like a reboot of the series. Some things are kept, others aren't.
QuoteI mean... I like AGDI, I like TSL too, and I'm sure if I bothered to give it a chance and look past the artwork and voice acting being awful, I'd probably like IA's KQ3 as well... but I've long accepted that they're all separate canons, timelines, universes what have you. I don't instantly try to make everything fit where it clearly doesn't belong, because the more incarnations of this world we get, the harder that becomes. It's hard enough to have AGDI, TSL and the original series in one timeline, but with TOG in the mix shaking up everything, it's practically impossible.
Bingo. :)
It's practically impossible to make even the original games work consistently with each other. If you played KQ7 and then MoE without knowing that they were both King's Quest games, you'd have no idea they were from the same franchise. The difference between them is night and day.
And KQ7 straight up retcons KQ4 in terms of Edgar. In that game, Genesta simply made his ugly outside reflect his beautiful interior. Now, it turns out he looked like that the whole time and was actually another fairy's son, having been kidnapped and brainwashed not once, but twice.
And Graham's laissez-faire attitude toward's Alexander's kidnapping in KQ5 is odd. "This is my son, Alexander, who started this whole mess."
Also, in KQ6, Alexander says Cassima invited him to visit. She never does so.
Honestly, Edgar's origin getting retconned in KQ7 was the biggest middle finger to me in the entire KQ franchise. His story in KQ4 is so much more poetic. In KQ7, he just looks pathetic, like he can't stay out of trouble for one day without getting kidnapped again. Not to mention his redesign...
@Numbers, yeah - Roberta Williams wasn't big on continuity.
Can't agree about Edgar more. And yeah, like I said earlier; excuse Alex for being kidnapped and enslaved, escaping from Manannan's clutches, and rescuing his sister from the dragon that nearly burninated the entire kingdom. You're welcome, Graham! Though I do believe that when Alex saw Cass in the magic mirror, she did actually say that she wanted to see him again.
Quote from: Jack Stryker on October 10, 2016, 03:22:44 PM
Though I do believe that when Alex saw Cass in the magic mirror, she did actually say that she wanted to see him again.
Rewatching the intro again, she does indeed say she wants to see him. In classic fairy tale tradition, she's monologuing in her prison, unaware that she's being watched by the hero.
Lol as I recall Alex invites himself in KQ5.
Cassima: Goodbye, Alexander. Perhaps we'll meet again.
Alexander: You can be sure of that, m'lady.
(http://newmediarockstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smile-guy-feature1.jpg)
Wow, you really don't like Alexander do you?
I think most people have the headcanon that they kept in contact somehow, either through letter or the Magic Mirror usually.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 11, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Wow, you really don't like Alexander do you?
You just now picked up on that?
Also, that picture was a joke. Don't take it so seriously.
I know. I'm not.
Apologies for the double post, but it has just been announced that chapter 5 has a release date- October 25th!
Yay! :)
Chapter 5 coming out so quickly after Chapter 4 probably means it's going to be the shortest, least-satisfying one yet.
Just forewarning you.
It says in the press release that a "retail release" of the Complete Collection will come out the same day - does that mean a physical release? Since the Complete Collection is already available on Steam?
Nice. Just 3 days after my birthday. I do hope it doesn't turn out to be too short or unsatisfying though.
Am I like the only person who doesn't care about the length?
Any idea about the release date of the Epilogue ?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 14, 2016, 04:47:36 PM
Am I like the only person who doesn't care about the length?
A game being the right length is actually pretty important. If it's too short, then you're not getting your money's worth. For example, I mainly play single-player games, since I don't live near any of my friend's houses, and thus, multiplayer games mean very little to me. When I heard about Star Wars: Battlefront 2015--namely, that you have to pay full price for a single-player campaign that can be beaten in under 45 minutes--I said to myself, "I'm not paying for that sh*t." Then there are the games that are so bad their short running time is merciful. Rogue Warrior, an FPS starring Mickey Rourke as the main character, is so offensively awful that you don't mind that it can be beaten in under two hours.
Conversely, you have games like some of the later Metal Gear Solid entries that, good-looking though they are, go on for way too long, and you're probably going to lose interest before you beat the game. Even early computer games suffered from this; Ultima 4, for all its groundbreaking impact on the gaming industry (and without which we probably wouldn't have Final Fantasy), can take almost 40 hours to beat, even if you have a walkthrough, and it's not the prettiest-looking game you'll ever see either. One of the biggest offenders is Sonic 2006, which, in addition to being rushed, buggy, and overall unpleasant, goes on for an unbearably long time.
We also have games like MMORPGs or Minecraft that tend to be limitless in scope, and as long as they continue to make DLC for them, people will continue to play them. The worst example I can think of is No Man's Sky, which is so vast that even if you forcibly volunteered everyone on the entire planet to play the game and try to discover all 18 quintillion planets, we would never find them all before the sun itself burned out. It doesn't help that the game itself is so incredibly boring that it's a wonder anyone would take the time to document all of it.
But let's not forget the most important "limitless" game of all...
(http://i.imgur.com/jecMguT.jpg)
Seriously, that's the most bizarrely satisfying end screen ever.
Okay, good points there.
And yes, that IS satisfying to watch and brings back good memories of me and my grandma. :)
I think I should talk about what I consider to be a game that has the perfect length: that would be Ratchet and Clank. The original one, not the 2016 reboot. I remember getting it all the way back in 2002, and thinking to myself, "Yep, I got my money's worth." A lot of levels, which means a lot of content, but not so many that it gets boring. Just the right amount of gameplay shakeups every once in a while, and a lot of secrets to find on replays. You don't have to worry about grinding EXP, a trap the sequels unfortunately fell victim to, nor is the difficulty too frustrating, so you don't rage quit. There was no expansion pack for it (that was the DLC of the early days, for you youngsters out there), nor was it necessary for there to be one. You got everything you needed right off the bat, and the developers didn't rush out a game that was clearly still in its beta stages, nor did they taunt you with countless expansion packs. It was just right.
Kind of like the running length for King's Quest Chapter 1, actually.
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
Any idea about the release date of the Epilogue ?
It's too early to know at this point, but I would wager a guess that it would be late November at the earliest, mid-December at the latest.
I hear ya on Battlefront. When I saw the Zero Punctuation review for it, I said, "Thanks, Ben. Best sixty bucks I never spent!"
Yeah that release date is concerning. I think TOG already said none of the episodes would be as long as the first which is a real shame for the next 'season.'
Although I'll settle for short episodes if they have like, actual content in them and not a series of sliding tile puzzles.
In retrospect, this game's failure shouldn't have been a surprise. Sierra was a company run by and consisting mostly of Hippie types, and based in rural SoCal. Mountain town Hippies. Roberta Williams was a natural storyteller, in love from childhood with fairy tales, a lady steeped in fable and fae. She grew up writing stories in her mind, a creative young girl who always had one toe in Wonderland.
KQ's other designers are similarly well-read figures who also have great respect for or at least, a good knowledge of fairytales. Jane Jensen and Lorelei Shannon are published authoresses besides being game girls. Josh Mandel, who wrote the first KQ1 remake, is also an accomplished game writer and designer.
Even KQ8, for all its differences from the conceits of KQ's V-VII, is basically a reboot of KQ1: Hero is tasked to find treasures to save Daventry. It's basically KQ: The Next Generation. While the gameplay is different, its still rooted in fable, fiction, and mythology.
Also, Roberta had a free hand for the first seven and half of eight in terms of doing what she wanted. Even the games that Roberta didn't solely create (mainly 6 and 7), she had creative control over which allowed for a relatively consistent vision to permeate the first seven, and while she lost some creative control KQ8, the main design was in essence her vision.
This game on the other hand was developed by a bunch of L.A. hipsters, who, while huge fans of Sierra and the original games, lacked creative freedom (they were specifically ordered by Activision not to make a sequel), and thus had to come up with a story that not only welcomed back old players, but also brought in new players, while also rebooting the originals, yet trying not to stray too far from the original lore so as not to alienate old fans.
TOG were likely ordered as well to follow TT's humor driven, episodic model as Activision probably thought that would mean instant success. After all, what would the audience for a KQ made in 2015 by a big publisher be? The last game had come out in 1998, forever ago in terms of the game industry. So TOG tried to make the new KQ akin to an interactive Pixar film, whimsical and silly, hoping to draw in kids while also hoping to draw upon the nostalgia of those kids' parents who grew up with the originals. I would guess that TOG were ordered to put in "new" adventure game elements such as QTEs to draw in new fans as well.
TOG had to straddle a line between not making the game too easy, which would alienate old fans, while not making it too hard for young kids to enjoy. As such, the final product was is too easy for seasoned adventure gamers (probably 90% of the audience), and too difficult for the 5-10 year old audience. They made a game which both tugs too close to old canon for new players to appreciate or understand (what kid who never played a KQ game before is going to be emotionally attached to Old Graham?); and yet strays too far from the established lore for older fans to truly enjoy. It's a reboot that's also not a reboot, which is a sequel but not really, that reimagines the old games yet insists they still happened. They attempted to be all things for all potential players, and in doing so, made a sloppy game that appeals to a select few, without an "it" factor that would wow youngsters and draw them in.
In underestimating the intelligence of today's youth, they eschewed fairy tale puzzles and situations (the very heart of KQ) for a more generic fantasy world, which lacks much of the cheesy charm which makes the old games enjoyable. They eschewed the more tongue-in-cheek, mature humor of the originals for more goofy, ''Disney'' humor that young kids could get.
Remember also, these guys had only done Flea Syphony and The Misadventures of P.B. Winterbottom before this; They had only designed short, quirky, hipster games, so that was their forte. Not fairytale driven adventure games.
If this game had been a straight reboot devoid of all winks and nods to the originals, or even say, if they had made an action/platformer remake of KQ1 (same story, same Graham, different gameplay mechanics), it might've been a success. It would've alienated older folks, but it probably would've found a new audience, those who love Zelda/Kingdom Hearts would LOVE an action/platformer KQ if done right, and might have been better overall. KQ8, for as much as old fans hated it, was a success, for example.
TOG failed by attempting to please everyone. And in doing so, pleased virtually no one.
That said, I don't hate the game. I'll probably buy a copy for my 10 year old niece. It's a cutesy, nice fantasy entry level adventure game. For myself, it's a very flawed game that does have moments of possible greatness, and a lot of loving nods to the original games, but I'll stick to my original games. It's simply too wacky, too Monkey Island-esque, for me to enjoy. I don't enjoy slapstick or silliness. It's not a turd, or an abomination, or an (intentional) insult to the fans. It's a game that simply tried to please too many audiences.
Also, way too many stupid puns.
I wouldn't say it's a flat-out failure; Chapters 1 and 3 showed a great deal of promise and won some skeptics over. It is true, however, that Chapters 2 and 4 could've been better. I haven't seen much of the game past Chapter 1, but it seems to me like a lot of people dislike 2 and 4 because there's a lot of wasted potential. It sounds like 2 has almost nothing to do with anything and was just filler because the season needed to last five episodes. 4, meanwhile, actually does advance the plot, but the enjoyment is killed by the sliding puzzles. It's like someone somewhere said, "You know that sliding block puzzle at the end of Mask of Eternity? Let's make an entire chapter based on variations of it. That's a good idea."
Yeah failure is quite the stretch, the game has positive reception, even Episode 2 reviews are "mixed."
I hated the puzzle layout of this chapter but I was still invested in the majority of the plot. Angsty Alex was done well and he didn't come off as annoying to me, it was nice to acknowledge that maybe living your whole life as an isolated slave leaves a mark.
Although if he could cast Fireball this whole time I can think of a few instances in KQ6 where that would've been helpful.
Chapter 4's ratings on Metacritic are also "mixed," especially the PlayStation 4 port.
Opinions on Alexander's characterization in this episode are all over the place, at least in this thread. Some people don't mind him, others can't stand him. Again, not overwhelmingly negative, but definitely mixed.
Quote from: Bludshot on October 17, 2016, 06:26:36 AM
Although if he could cast Fireball this whole time I can think of a few instances in KQ6 where that would've been helpful.
Alexander used FIREBALL! It's super effective!
*cut to a smoldering pile of ashes where the minotaur used to be*
"Oh no five dwarfs want to throw me into the ocean, how can I convince them that is a bad idea....snapsnapsnapsnapsnap"
Hahaha!
To pass the time before chapter five drops, I've decided to go through the series again on a different save slot (my main one is Compassion, I have another save file for whenever me and my Aunt get together to play again, one for Bravery and one for Wisdom), and do my Bravery and Wisdom playthrough/s. But what I'm doing differently is that I'' turning off the dialogue and just playing with the music and sound effects. There's a few little music cues and sound effects that I never picked up before until now, which goes to show how good the sound design is in this game.
Skull door: "And why should I grant you passage, when I would rather EAT you?"
*Alexander throws a fireball next to the door*
Skull door: "Right! On you go then!" *fades out and opens*
Uh oh, this guy who wants to kill me is coming at me with a sword, better just... *snap* There we go.
*meanwhile Cassima looks on in absolute horror*
Nothing like solving everything that stands in your way with fire! Lol
Well, that's Connor's approach. If he didn't have a fire sword, the two-headed dragon could never have been beaten. After all, well...read Bludshot's signature.
These retcons are ruining everything. Graham could've sped through all three of his games with Triumph alone.
KQ1 maybe, but I'm not sure about 2 and 5. Triumph seemed a bit old and frail in episode 3; which is when KQ2 takes place. Or I guess maybe he was just weak from hunger.
He's an old gerbil at that point.
I Google Image Searched "old gerbil" and I was not disappointed.
(http://orig08.deviantart.net/9fe3/f/2012/183/8/5/old_gerbil_by_lintunen-d55o0eq.jpg)
Even old Triumph is better than no Triumph for desert traversing, and I bet he makes a mean sled.
Oh, absolutely. Imagine old Graham sliding down the icy ramp on Triumph's back, making the leap over the crevasse, and, upon impact with the ground, transmogrifying Triumph into a Jackson Pollock painting.
Graham (covered in Triumph's entrails): Drat! My gerbil is broken!
*snickers*
This thing's gonna be done in two more days you guys...
Well, there's still the Epilogue to go, but yeah... :( And I knew, even without the knowledge of Graham's health status, that the last episode was going to be sad regardless because whenever a series has been really really good, sometimes you don't want to see it end.
I think it's been a good ride, though!
A good ride? This game's a failure, you guys! It destroyed the canon forever! *sarcasm*
For what it's worth, the story I'm writing--based on The Wizard and the Princess--takes such extreme liberties with that game's plot that it's barely anything like the work it's based on. Hence my insistence on saying that "It's not a King's Quest story, it's merely a story set in the King's Quest universe." Sort of like TOG saying "KQ2015 isn't a reboot, it's a re-imagining," even though a reboot and a re-imagining are the same thing.
Hey, fair enough, I'll probably still read it. :)
But in all seriousness... there are... certain people who don't get that and they get pissed off at this game for not conforming to canon, amongst other things and it really bugs me. If they're so bugged by it, then why not go back to the old series and stick to that rather than complaining constantly and ragging on every single detail that's seen as wrong. Criticism is one thing, not understanding that something is meant to be taken as a joke isn't.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 24, 2016, 03:59:36 PM
If they're so bugged by it, then why not go back to the old series and stick to that rather than complaining constantly and ragging on every single detail that's seen as wrong.
Going back to the old series is pretty much what I did. After seeing KQ2015's Graham squee over what ended up being gardening equipment, I just fired up KQ5 and had Graham fall to his death a few times just so I could listen to the infamous Sierra scream. Good times.
See? That's a sane and rational response. You didn't like it much, but you just let it go and moved on, returning to the version that you enjoy more, yet still acknowledging that while the new series isn't your style, you aren't saying that the the series is ruined forever and that people can have different opinions than you without throwing a tantrum.
Listening to KQ5 voice acting is never a sane and rational response.
Well you get what I mean.
Quote from: Bludshot on October 25, 2016, 07:38:15 AM
Listening to KQ5 voice acting is never a sane and rational response.
I'll take Cedric's hooting over Graham squeeing like he was pumped full of estrogen any day.
Chapter 5 The Good Knight is out
KQ2015 has higher production values than the original series did, certainly. That said, there's a bit of amusement to be had from Sir Greywolf saying "YONDERZ DE CRYSTEL CAVE. DERE U WILL FIND DA YETI."
Well, I finished the final chapter! I enjoyed it!
Why haven't they updated their website since episode 2? It's like they didn't care about promoting the remaining episodes anymore. :(
http://www.sierra.com/kingsquest
Not bad but still felt rushed. Plot was all well and good but a lot of arbitrary puzzles meant to pad out an hour's worth of content...hey just like and old school adventure game!
EDIT: wow that website is embarrassing, maybe the TOG site is better?
[spoiler]That throwback sequence was pretty cool though[/spoiler]
Yeah I wish that sequence was like, half the game, not a bad solution if TOG was low on money. :P
So, for those of you who played it to completion: I haven't played or seen any of it yet, nor do I plan to until the epilogue is out, but did it satisfy you? And more importantly, was it as sexual, foul-mouthed and gory as I was hoping it would be?
Quote from: Numbers on October 26, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
And more importantly, was it as sexual, foul-mouthed and gory as I was hoping it would be?
Yes, all of the above.
No but really, I wouldn't call it mind blowing (except the visuals, I want an art book for this game) but it was decent. That's really all I have to say about it, honestly.
Am I satisfied? Yes, it is very very well done and I'm glad it was made. It certainly wasn't perfect (the fact that something important was tossed out of chapter 5, that I won't say what for the sake of spoilers, because the "fans" didn't like something in chapter one really makes me bitter and kinda mad at the fandom right now), and there are highs and lows and things that, as much as I enjoyed the series, I would change in retrospect.
But overall, I do recommend the series as there (despite a few flaws here and there) IS a sense of love and heart within it. I think TOG did a fantastic job.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 01:28:52 PM
the fact that something important was tossed out of chapter 5, that I won't say what for the sake of spoilers, because the "fans" didn't like something in chapter one really makes me bitter and kinda mad at the fandom right now
???
On the whole I have to agree with you though, it did what it set out to accomplish, and it does seem like there was a lot of care behind it.
You can tell us what was "tossed out" in spoiler text, I don't mind. In fact, I already know about
[spoiler]the somewhat...depressing ending.[/spoiler]
To Birdy: [spoiler]I'm talking about Hornswoggle the Dragon. Think back to the earlier episodes, that Dragon was brought up either in dialogue or actually seen as a threat physically, and otherwise symbolic of fear. The Magic Mirror showed us a vision in chapter two that had an older Graham being confronted by Hornswoggle (either chained or flying freely depending on your choice in chapter 1) with him clearly looking (as well as the environment) as he does in chapter 5.
In chapter 5 though? The scene never happens and that flying scaly beast never shows his ugly head at all. Yes, there's fire besetting Daventry (and watching the King's Glen and the town be burned was really heartwrenching to watch, especially the tree), which is implied to be from him originally, but he's never actually seen or confronted with.
The reason why I'm so bitter about the fandom is because all those complaints they got about chapter 1, particularly the QTEs/action/arcade sequences (or whatever you want to call them), seemed like it really got to them and they decided to remove any sequences that were originally going to have them (Matt Korba even has mentioned somewhere, Twitter I think, that they removed all QTE sequences in future chapters past 1), meaning that there are plot points dropped and formed into plot holes. Hornswoggle is a big one, but others IIRC were stuff like chapter 2 being longer, and you'd actually be able to interact with Mordon a LOT more in it, as well as bringing back Whisper and Acorn for this chapter.
It really bugs the hell out of me because not only was I really anticipating that encounter, but I feel like TOG was being forced into making something that would satisfy the fandom (nevermind that fandom is NEVER satisfied no matter what you do) rather than doing what they wanted to do with it. It's good that they listen to criticism... but they shouldn't have had to drop such a huge plot point that they built up for so long just because naysayers were hating what was put out. Go with your gut, as Amaya says![/spoiler]
To Numbers: [spoiler]To be fair, I kinda was expecting the ending to be sad. Bittersweet, yes, but very touching, and (assuming the Epilogue takes place right after this) a pretty good setup for the Epilogue too.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
QuoteIt's good that they listen to criticism... but they shouldn't have had to drop such a huge plot point that they built up for so long just because naysayers were hating what was put out. Go with your gut, as Amaya says!
Agreed, though I feel the exact opposite way with Blizzard. They just keep on making changes that everybody hates and taking away fun things that everybody liked, as if they're trying to lose fans.[/spoiler]
Not sure what I can say, that hasn't been said already. Although...
[spoiler]I am a bit curious as to what Gwen might've seen in the mirror that got her so excited, after what had just happened.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]An opportunity for her first adventure, I'd imagine! :) Which is going to be absolutely adorable, I'm sure.[/spoiler]
Having finished it can't say I find an epilogue necessary, it is a little ambiguous but not in an irritating way and mostly just comes off as sequel setup. I didn't even know there was going to be an epilogue but I guess that's...nice? Is it an episode or just some "Where are they now?" schtick with all the npcs?
Uh, that's been planned since the very beginning actually. It's going to be released sometime this year IIRC, and it's given to anyone who preordered the game. Though that might change I don't know. From what little I know about it, it's involving Gwendolyn going on her first adventure and is more a much more lighthearted episode.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 02:33:02 PM
To Birdy: [spoiler]I'm talking about Hornswoggle the Dragon. Think back to the earlier episodes, that Dragon was brought up either in dialogue or actually seen as a threat physically, and otherwise symbolic of fear. The Magic Mirror showed us a vision in chapter two that had an older Graham being confronted by Hornswoggle (either chained or flying freely depending on your choice in chapter 1) with him clearly looking (as well as the environment) as he does in chapter 5.
In chapter 5 though? The scene never happens and that flying scaly beast never shows his ugly head at all. Yes, there's fire besetting Daventry (and watching the King's Glen and the town be burned was really heartwrenching to watch, especially the tree), which is implied to be from him originally, but he's never actually seen or confronted with.
The reason why I'm so bitter about the fandom is because all those complaints they got about chapter 1, particularly the QTEs/action/arcade sequences (or whatever you want to call them), seemed like it really got to them and they decided to remove any sequences that were originally going to have them (Matt Korba even has mentioned somewhere, Twitter I think, that they removed all QTE sequences in future chapters past 1), meaning that there are plot points dropped and formed into plot holes. Hornswoggle is a big one, but others IIRC were stuff like chapter 2 being longer, and you'd actually be able to interact with Mordon a LOT more in it, as well as bringing back Whisper and Acorn for this chapter.
It really bugs the hell out of me because not only was I really anticipating that encounter, but I feel like TOG was being forced into making something that would satisfy the fandom (nevermind that fandom is NEVER satisfied no matter what you do) rather than doing what they wanted to do with it. It's good that they listen to criticism... but they shouldn't have had to drop such a huge plot point that they built up for so long just because naysayers were hating what was put out. Go with your gut, as Amaya says![/spoiler]
Oooh, that makes sense... It does feel a bit dodgy and rushed in places. I did expect this game to take a lot more risks than it did, its a shame that had to happen :-\
[spoiler]Now granted, I certainly didn't mind the idea of Graham's memories being fuzzy and changing and fading away over time, as given the narrative structure and his age, that's bound to happen... but I still wish the idea hadn't come at the cost of cutting out stuff like that. Cutting out lines of dialogue is one thing, interesting worldbuilding sure, but not necessarily required to enjoy the story. But removing an entire big plot point like that with all that build up and foreshadowing to it? They shouldn't have folded. Either they could have buckled down against them and put it in anyway, or they could have at least made it an optional thing to go through the arcade sequence/s and otherwise just have it be a cutscene or try a different method of doing it if QTE wasn't everyone's style.[/spoiler]
I wish they had called this something other than King's Quest, and not sullied the KQ brand name with Tumblr memes and making Graham bi.
I'd be very into a Bi Graham but where are you getting that impression?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
Uh, that's been planned since the very beginning actually. It's going to be released sometime this year IIRC, and it's given to anyone who preordered the game. Though that might change I don't know. From what little I know about it, it's involving Gwendolyn going on her first adventure and is more a much more lighthearted episode.
I hope it does, I didn't preorder, granted, from skepticism but considering I actually paid more in the long run I'll be pretty ticked if I can't access it, if it is a proper episode I don't mind paying.
Quote from: Bludshot on October 27, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
I'd be very into a Bi Graham but where are you getting that impression?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on October 26, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
Uh, that's been planned since the very beginning actually. It's going to be released sometime this year IIRC, and it's given to anyone who preordered the game. Though that might change I don't know. From what little I know about it, it's involving Gwendolyn going on her first adventure and is more a much more lighthearted episode.
I hope it does, I didn't preorder, granted, from skepticism but considering I actually paid more in the long run I'll be pretty ticked if I can't access it, if it is a proper episode I don't mind paying.
The relationship with Achaka and the general Tumblr vibe of the game.
I don't think Graham looked at Achaka and was struck by love at first sight. He didn't even know what Achaka looked like under his armor. There's a difference between two characters of the male gender being "bros," and having feelings for each other that signals bisexuality. If anything, it's the fans who took the "Graham was in love with Achaka" concept and ran with it, not the game itself. Graham felt an overwhelming sense of guilt over Achaka's death, hence his hesitance to continue with the competition, but he didn't actually lose the love of his life. He interacted with Achaka for probably 15 minutes at the most...not that that prevents fanfiction writers from doing what they do.
True, yeah. I don't mind the pairing, and I have seen it done well, but I think most who write those stories acknowledge that it's just an AU and not insisting that it was true all along or that that's something they wanted absolutely to happen in game. Especially when they managed to pull off the Graham and Valanice relationship (no matter which lady you choose) so well.
Quote from: Numbers on October 26, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
So, for those of you who played it to completion: I haven't played or seen any of it yet, nor do I plan to until the epilogue is out, but did it satisfy you? And more importantly, was it as sexual, foul-mouthed and gory as I was hoping it would be?
Heh.
In all honesty, I liked the odd numbered chapters and was disappointed in the even numbered ones.
Yes, there are some things even in the odd numbered chapters I wasn't a fan of, but overall, I enjoyed them.
It's a fun game. It's nice little reboot to the series. Perfect? No, but fun.
And I know this was a lot earlier in the thread what the difference of a reboot and a reimagining are but to me, a reboot is more faithful to the source material. Yeah, it changes things and some character traits/backstories but you still know what story will be followed. To me, a reimagining takes established characters and does its own thing with just little hints towards the original story. (I dunno if I'm right on that though.)
You have it backwards. A reboot takes all existing continuity except for maybe a few characters' names and erases it. IE Batman is always Batman, but his interactions with the Joker are always different depending on which continuity you're in James Bond always has to defeat the SPECTRE Organization, both in the original series and the reboot series, but the way in which its handled is vastly different between the two universes and they share little more than name in commonality.
Googled it and did see some cute fanart for Graham/Achacka. But yeah I didn't really get a romantic vibe from those two on the actual game.
Also if anyone is bisexual in the royal fam it is the children. Rosella is making bedroom eyes at Genesta and Alexander and Jollo are always realllll happy to see each other.
The real question is, who wouldn't be happy to see Jollo?
EDIT: As a side note, another series that got rebooted this year was the aforementioned Ratchet and Clank. They claimed it was a re-imagining. Guess what? It's a reboot. Although it's handled more gracefully than most reboots, it's still a reboot, no matter what wordplay was used to justify it. And as Zero Punctuation pointed out in their review of it, it's all well and good and certainly one of the better PS4 titles out there, but you can't help but be reminded of the original PS2 run, and how much more edge it had than the current one does. EDGE, u guyz.
So here's a question: What exactly was that item you get from each of the villagers for? I thought it would come into play in the fifth chapter, but apparently not.
Yeah very underwhelming, it's basically just a souvenir in Graham's bedroom at the end of the game.
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but I'm going to guess that it was another thing that got cut from the final game for time/money constraints.
Or it could be brought up in the epilogue.
-Sigh-
Letting the bitter old curmudgeon go for a minute and embracing the 5 year old who first fell in love with these games....Chapter V was the KQ9 I was looking for. Flawed the series is, but it is a love letter to KQ fans as well. I hope a Season 2 comes.
From Facebook, a sneak peek at the epilogue:
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...and then the bear from KQ5 comes out and punches her in the face.
Lol!
I just completed the Epilogue today and MY GOD IT WAS ADORABLE!
EWW FEELINGS
BAHAHAHA!! :rofl:
Yes, it was very cute. Short, but cute. :)
Well, it's an Epilogue. I wasn't expecting it to be all that long.
Now that it's all released, I'm finally interested in watching a full walkthrough of the game. Would you say that the chapters got shorter as they went? I just want to be prepared in case Chapters 4, 5 and the Epilogue each take less than an hour to beat.
Chapter one is definitely the longest one at around 10 hours iirc. Chapter two is around six. Chapters three and four are around three to four hours I think. And chapter five I haven't gone through it again so I don't know how long it would take once you know what you're doing. Epilogue of course isn't very long.
I just now played the epilogue. It was a pretty nice story, but...
[spoiler]I feel like the shot of Alexander and Valanice watching should have been saved until the very end and we should have seen them smiling at her. And I still wish we could've gotten to see Cassima and Edgar at least once each, during the series.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Numbers on December 23, 2016, 11:20:05 AM
Now that it's all released, I'm finally interested in watching a full walkthrough of the game. Would you say that the chapters got shorter as they went? I just want to be prepared in case Chapters 4, 5 and the Epilogue each take less than an hour to beat.
Numbers, I have a full walkthough (Epilogue just added) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrWwuQDIdduqMiyM8mhou1OFGRNJDdqMM
Thanks, I'll give it a watch. It'll be a while before I finish the playlist, so hang tight til then.
I'm assuming you're only going down one path instead of all three?
Is anyone trying to get all the achievements in the game? I got 37/53 myself. I think i may go back and replay at least some parts to get more of them.
I have all of them except one. Need help?
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on January 09, 2017, 05:03:13 AM
I have all of them except one. Need help?
Sure. :)
Would it be easier to list off the ones I have or is there a list of all the achievements out there already?
Eh, go ahead and list them. There are lists out in the internet, but there's also a lot of achievements.
I found a couple more while starting to replay Chapter 1.
Here's what I had so far: (I used spoiler text since I kept in the descriptions too.)
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Misteak
Fed a steak to a Wedzel Wolf.
A Secret Entrance
Found a Mysterious Cave Entrance.
In The Mouth of Danger
Walk into a Dragon's Mouth.
Napping on the Job
Took a Brief Nap.
That's the Ticket
Presented an Eye to enter the Tournament.
Strong Minded
Defeated Acorn in the Duel of Strength.
Fast Feather
Defeated Whisper in the Duel of Speed.
The End?
Told the Story about becoming a Knight.
Unicorn Snack Food
Was a Snack for a Majestic Unicorn.
A Prickly Situation
Walked into the Spiniferous Thornweeds.
Helping Hat
Saved a Picnic, Got a Wedzel Patch, Completed the Potion.
Froggy Throat
Tried to Catch a Toad, Got a Frog in Throat.
Distressed Out
Got some air.
The King is in a Cent
Found all gold in Chapter 2.
Booked Em
Found all pages in Chapter 2.
The Lost Unicorn
Reunited two best friends.
Rubble Yell
Escaped the goblin prison.
Cell-ebration!
Escaped without any townspeople taken away.
Medicinal Majesty
Healed Bramble.
The Reign is Just Beginning
Completed Chapter 2.
Girls in the Tower
This tower was built to scale.
Moral Quarreler
Won a game of Moral Quarrel.
Wedzel Wolf Watch Waiver
Spared the life of a Wedzel Wolf.
Gears of Shore
Solved a puzzle on the beach.
Teenaged Townspeople
Discovered 3 portraits of younger townspeople.
Harmonious Husband
Gave the perfect present to Neese.
Perfect Puzzle Partner
Gave the perfect present to Vee.
And They Lived...
Completed Chapter 3
Staring Superstar
Lasted as long as I could in the staring contest.
Road Trip Warrior
Won the road trip game.
Line Stepper
Solved the first Ice Palace puzzle.
Labyrinth Legend
Solved the Ice Labyrinth.
Ice Shaver
Shot an arrow at an Ice Guard.
#1 Daventry Dad
Completed Chapter 4.
Golden-Ager Graham
Sought treasure as an aged adventurer.
Treasure Trolled
Honored the bridges of the past.
Music Minded
Remembered a forgotten tune.
Escaped Elder
Escaped the Tournament Theater.
Quick Minded
Proved your mind is still quick.
Dancing Dead
Tickled the ivories of a bone xylophone.
Still Strong Minded
Proved your mind is still strong.
Papa Puzzler
Defeated all the puzzles on The Floating Island. [/spoiler]
Chapter 5 took about 2 and half hours for me to beat smoothly (AKA I know what I'm doing now! Yay!) and the Epilogue took around 20 minutes. I finally got that last achievement too! So the game (not counting the Epilogue here) takes 24-26 and a half hours, with the Epilogue making it 24-26 and fifty minutes. Not exactly the longest game in the world, but not something I'd say you can do in a single sitting, playing each episode back to back, either. Just letting you know, Numbers. :)
Anyway, Kyranthia. Hmmmm... Looks like you're missing...
[spoiler]
-Chapter 1.-
Opening Knight- Open the door to Achaka three times. (You do this when you're doing the archery tail shield puzzle thing)
Purple Badger Don't Care- A Dyed Badger ate Bees. (You have the opportunity to dye quite a few things purple before the tournament- a Pumpkin, the Starberries, the Sugarshrooms, and of course, the Badger. You get this achievement specifically when you knock down the beehive onto the picnic table, and you can actually the Badger on the Bees. It doesn't get rid of them, but the achievement as well as Graham's "Ew!" line is a reference to that famous Honey Badger video)
Dead End Dancer- Danced in the Dark. (Before you follow Achaka down to the "Watch me!" jumping puzzle in The Well, try retracing your steps that you took in the Prologue and you'll get a scene at a certain spot)
Horn Blower- Blew on many horns. (You get this by blowing multiple times on the various horns you find in Daventry. Just keep doing it on the same one until Graham stops talking and just the animation plays instead of a cutscene, and then move on to the next until Graham specifically says, "I should get a trophy or an achievement for how many times I blew on that horn!" and you'll get it)
Graham the Basilisk- Walked on Water. (You get this during the puzzle involving getting across the river, before making your raft. There's a patch of grass right by the river, next to the rocks you jumped across to get the guards' attention away from their post, that you can walk into and use a hidden path to walk across the river, and you'll get an achievement)
-Chapter 2.-
A Royal Pain in the Rear- Tummy troubles. (Got the Poisoned Sweetycake from Wente? Try eating it and see what happens!)
-Chapter 3.-
A Poisonous Snake!- Watch out, Graham! (You get this by refusing to help baby Cedric enough times by walking to the right, past the owl family, and you'll eventually hear Graham rant about Cedric and then you need to go right one more time and you'll get the achievement)
-Chapter 4.-
Disobedient Dad- Don't make me turn this story around! (You get this as soon as you arrive in Tanalore/Avalon if you avoid picking up the luggage and instead walk down the path enough times)
Pestering Padre- Pestered the Prince. (You get this during one of the puzzles in the Labyrinth, IIRC it's either the hidden path one with the ice spikes or the first sliding puzzle, keep talking to Alexander until you get the achievement)
Fostering Father- Heard everything Alexander has to say. (This is a difficult one because you need to keep talking to Alexander on *every* screen he's in and able to be talked to, until he either starts repeating his dialogue or you can't talk to him anymore, and it can be an easy one to miss if you don't keep track. This begins at King's Glen and ends at the flipping block pushing puzzle IIRC)
-Chapter 5.-
Raisin the Dead- Found some very old pastries. (This is the last achievement that I had to get, and it's quite easy. Like Dead End Dancer, try retracing your steps through Daventry before heading off towards The Well. Think back to how chapter 1's Daventry was laid out, map wise. What's missing?)
[/spoiler]
Carrying over from this thread, (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=14520.msg365398#new) I have things to say regarding Chapter 2-5, plus the Epilogue.
What made this game frustrating for me was that there was stuff in there that I actually got invested in. Chapter 3 was by far my favorite. But there were so many other things that I didn't like. For me, if the ending to Chapter 3 was TOG's KQ's Crowning Moment of Awesome, Alexander saying "I can't even" in Chapter 4 was its Dethroning Moment of Suck. In fact, Alexander in general in that chapter is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I hated his voice, his mannerisms, and overall attitude. So that makes the number of interpretations of Alexander I like to...still none of them.
But my least favorite part of this game was, oddly, not the portrayal of Alexander, nor the portrayals of the other heroes. It was the villains. Read the spoiler text below for more details, as they go more in-depth, along with, obviously, spoilers.
[spoiler]Why are these villains so nonthreatening? I never felt any sort of tension when they were onscreen. Wallace Shawn's voice isn't intimidating in the slightest--not when he's in his goblin knight form, not when he's a cat, not even when he's in full Manannan mode. I would've accepted it if they altered his voice slightly when he was in his human form, but he still sounds like Wallace Shawn. And Wallace Shawn isn't scary.
Then there's the Goblin King. Was he even in more than one scene? I barely remember him. Although other characters (seemingly) got axed off in that chapter, I never felt Graham himself was in any danger.
Hagatha's up next, and I'll admit something straight up: I sorta like her design. It looks suitably slimy and grotesque. That being said, she's no more threatening than the other antagonists. There's giving your villain fatal flaws such as pride or arrogance, and then there's making her not only too weak to be a physical threat, but also too stupid to tell the difference between a man and a woman. Once again, Graham is in no danger. It doesn't help that she, like most other antagonists in this game, has a change of heart and is no longer an enemy to Graham by chapter's end.
Chapter 4 gives us the Sphinx--Manny in disguise, of course--who is probably the most legitimate threat thus far. Unfortunately, the Sphinx in this chapter works much like how Manny worked in Chapter 1, wherein the villain is inadvertently helping the hero along rather than just killing him right off the bat, like something from a James Bond movie. If the villains in the original KQ franchise were as stupid as Manny, they might as well have just had you play as Connor in each game, because even a meathead like him could out-think Manny. (Namely, by not playing along with him and just beating him to death bare-handed. Gotta take out the trash one way or another, eh, Connor?)
In Chapter 5, it rapidly becomes clear that the main antagonist is not Manannan, but the plot of Logan, as Graham's memories fade in and out in whichever manner is the cheapest to animate. Although, I'm not sure...it might have actually been more work to track down 2D sprite artists at the last minute. Also, Mordack is still alive because I guess he hid in the floorboards and he's really not such a bad guy after all and he just needed a friend. Point being, he falls victim to the same trap that Hagatha falls into--what could have been a great bad guy ends up becoming a good guy because the plot says he has to. There was literally nothing stopping him from killing Graham as soon as Graham stormed up to him--or rather, shuffled up to him (Graham can't move as quickly as he used to, as established). Nor was there anything stopping Manny from killing Graham directly in the final...showdown?...in fact, as soon as he tries, the plot demands that Mordack be a hero and save him, leaving Graham with almost no legitimate wins against his foes besides maybe the Goblin King.
And in the Epilogue, the main villain is...Achaka's great grandniece or something--I don't know, I only saw it once. But she's also not a bad guy, she's just engaging in the unhealthy habit of How to Maim Your Dragon. (Sounds like the title of a Seltzer and Friedberg movie.) It's okay, though, she'll turn to your side like literally every other antagonist in the series has up to that point, barring Manny, and maybe, just maybe, learn the true meaning of Christmas.
That's why the plot didn't work for me. There's no sense of danger in this game like there was in the original run. In the original run, you were lucky if you successfully made it from one side of a screen to the other, because anything bad that could possibly happen would most definitely happen. In this one, there are huge stretches of time where nothing happens, and you're stuck with incredibly dull puzzles in the meantime. *cough* Chapter 4 *cough* In fact, the final round of puzzles on the floating island in Chapter 5 could be the most boring part of the entire game. Even Mordack looks like he'd rather be anywhere else. I interpreted his rescuing Graham as his way of saying that he was sick to death of Manny's obtuse puzzles and would do anything to get away from them.
With all that being said, what did I actually like?
For one thing, the music is actually quite nice. There are cool little callbacks to the main theme of KQ5, along with a beautiful rendition of the Sierra fanfare played at an appropriate moment in Chapter 5. Also, I've never liked Girl in the Tower, so hearing a version of it that actually sounded kind of cool during Chapter 3 was a miracle.
The hand-painted backgrounds also look very good. It's kind of a shame that they're just that--hand-painted backgrounds--and we get stuck with the ugly design of the actual characters in the foreground.
In Chapter 3, I liked that Graham had grown up a bit, and wasn't nearly as wimpy as he was in the first two chapters. He obviously still didn't think things through in the intro to the chapter, but he had much more self-confidence and restraint, which is why his goofy characterization in Chapter 4 was a big step backwards. In fact, I don't think I liked any of the royal family during Chapter 4. And in the present day, Gwen and Gart spent the whole chapter hating each other. As I said before, Chapter 4 is unpleasant.
But we're talking about the positives here, and moving on from 4, we have Chapter 5, which is the most beautifully bizarre chapter in the series. It was obvious that TOG had run out of money by the time this chapter came out, but it was presented in a unique enough way that it satisfied me. Seeing random screens turning into a white void, the visuals of Daventry in flames, and yes, those retro scenes, were all pretty cool to look at. And it makes sense to me that the climax would be right back in Daventry, where everything started.
(That's one of my complaints about TSL, incidentally; even though it was originally supposed to be the finale of all things KQ, way too much time is spent on the Land of the Green Isles, and as of yet, we still haven't seen any of Daventry. Hopefully the Dreamworlds in Episode 5 will help.)
Finally, Grahampa seeing Achaka's ghost right before he slipped away into the unknown brought everything full circle. I imagine Graham's last words being "Screw you, Valanice. Achaka was my one true love."
As for the Epilogue...I'll be honest, I didn't enjoy any of it. Seeing everything go right back to being goofy in tone again after the more mature subject matter of Chapter 5 rubbed me the wrong way.[/spoiler]
So, that's my stream-of-consciousness "quickie" on the remaining chapters. I didn't go in depth this time, because I'll be honest, I haven't slept for the last 48 hours, and lack of sleep does wonders for one's disposition and coherency. See ya later, I'm going to bed.
Vee or Neese for you? ;)
Well, clearly, my favorite is the hidden third princess that Daventry wishes was in the game.
On a more serious note, probably Neese. She surprisingly was feisty and spunky without being annoying. Vee acted like she had a stick up her butt. It's telling that when you start the fourth chapter from scratch, it automatically defaults to Graham being married to Neese instead of Vee.
I'm genuinely surprised! :o
I mean, I love Neese too, and she's my headcanon wife alongside a Compassion aligned Graham, but considering that she's got a similar goofy personality to Graham when he was younger, which you disliked, I figured that you'd go for Vee since she's more serious and mature. Not that I would have minded if you said Vee, I like her as well because she's snarky and punny (and puns are my favorite type of humor), just not as much as Neese.
"Is that a randomly placed raw steak in the middle of the woods?! If it's not nailed down, we grab it!" is the line that sealed the deal for me and I KNEW she was perfect.
I'd respond to the rest of your post, but I'm tired ATM. I'm glad we both have the same favorite chapter, though!
I enjoyed KQ2016 a lot. I can understand why fans of the original series might not be too impressed but I have a huge fondness for the game. I've played through in its entirety numerous times and always look forward to playing again. To me, if it can make an accessible entry in a beloved series, which means people may give the original entries a chance, I'm happy for its existence.
Of course there were weaker chapters gameplay-wise than others... But I found huge enjoyment in doing a marathon playthrough one day a couple of months back and it made a certain chapter a bit more tolerable...
Quote from: MangoMercury on June 06, 2017, 09:19:41 AM
I enjoyed KQ2016 a lot. I can understand why fans of the original series might not be too impressed but I have a huge fondness for the game. I've played through in its entirety numerous times and always look forward to playing again. To me, if it can make an accessible entry in a beloved series, which means people may give the original entries a chance, I'm happy for its existence.
Of course there were weaker chapters gameplay-wise than others... But I found huge enjoyment in doing a marathon playthrough one day a couple of months back and it made a certain chapter a bit more tolerable...
Talk about a blast from the past! Mango...I was DanceMagicDance. Not sure if you remember me. But wow! It's awesome to see you're still around here. How have you been all these years??? :)
As far as the new KQ....I loved it, then I hated it, now I feel neutral. As a reboot, divorced from the original games, it isn't bad. It just needs to standalone as its own entity, King's Quest, but just not Sierra's King's Quest. Viewed from that perspective, it isn't a bad game, it's just not what I personally was hoping for.
I bought the series today but have not played it yet. Trying not to have preformed opinions. Hopefully I'll enjoy it as is.
Quote from: writerlove on September 16, 2017, 06:51:12 PM
I bought the series today but have not played it yet. Trying not to have preformed opinions. Hopefully I'll enjoy it as is.
Hey, it's been almost a month. Was wondering what you think of it? :)
Quote from: Rock Knight on June 17, 2017, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: MangoMercury on June 06, 2017, 09:19:41 AM
I enjoyed KQ2016 a lot. I can understand why fans of the original series might not be too impressed but I have a huge fondness for the game. I've played through in its entirety numerous times and always look forward to playing again. To me, if it can make an accessible entry in a beloved series, which means people may give the original entries a chance, I'm happy for its existence.
Of course there were weaker chapters gameplay-wise than others... But I found huge enjoyment in doing a marathon playthrough one day a couple of months back and it made a certain chapter a bit more tolerable...
Talk about a blast from the past! Mango...I was DanceMagicDance. Not sure if you remember me. But wow! It's awesome to see you're still around here. How have you been all these years??? :)
As far as the new KQ....I loved it, then I hated it, now I feel neutral. As a reboot, divorced from the original games, it isn't bad. It just needs to standalone as its own entity, King's Quest, but just not Sierra's King's Quest. Viewed from that perspective, it isn't a bad game, it's just not what I personally was hoping for.
Hahahah, I'm terrible at remembering to log in, so literally just seen this! I do remember you, it's always great to see some familiar faces here :) I've been okay, taking thigs one day at a time... only numerous years older! How about you?
(On-topic, I feel I owe this game another playthrough soon)