I did not find any link to the programming and the journal entry does not answer my question? Any idea what the requirements of this game will be?
We are not 100% certain of the requirements for the game at this point. We would only get a rough idea during the testing phase (which hasn't started yet). ;D
From the alpha demo the team tested out, the only thing we determined is that you will need a 3D accelerated graphic card and a Windows-based operating system. 8)
Quote from: Yonkey on February 17, 2004, 04:45:28 PMFrom the alpha demo the team tested out, the only thing we determined is that you will need a 3D accelerated graphic card and a Windows-based operating system. 8)
A.K.A. the "playing it safe by stating the obvious" method of PR. ;)
Peace & Luv, Liz
Having speakers and a good sound card would also be useful, as would having a monitor and a CPU. ;)
The keyboard and mouse are optional. 8)
yeah having a pc would be a good requirement as well lol :P and internet lol :D
Oh yeah, and having the game itself is another major requirement. ;) :P
...Not to mention being connected to the electricity grid ;)
And perhaps a house or apartment to keep the computer in. ;D
and paying the electricity bills
And buyin genough food suplies to last you through the duration of the game. You might as well consider kissing your job goodbye, because you won't be able to move from your screen until you finish the game
:P
Oh yeah, and one of those George Foreman grills so you can cook right next to your computer. ;D
Im so sorry dew7 no wonder why I couldnt find then myself, I got checking and that thread I told you about got lost on a hosting breakdown along with some old data, Im terrible sorry. On the other hand I think Neil answered your question, the specifics to run the game wont be so different than what you would need a current game nowdays. We will keep you all informed about this though.
No worries! I guess I will be patient and believe that it will come out within three years. ;)
...it may come out sooner than that :P
Thanks, LN. I appreciate the link. Any hint as to the system requirements of KQ and will it support Windows and Linux?
Our GUESSTIMATE so far for requirements is...
1Ghz CPU ( Most likely 1.33 + )
256 RAM ( Again, 512 + )
64MB Video Card (128MB preferable )
1GB HD space ( Could be upto 2 + )
I don't think we're aiming for a specific OS yet, but 98, 2000 and XP will be the most likely requirements.
It might be playable with WINE on linux, but you'll have to wait and see.
QuoteIt might be playable with WINE on linux, but you'll have to wait and see.
You're using Linux now. Why don't you try it with an early version of the game?
If you and Phoenix don't make it work with Linux, Linux users will. :pleased:
P.S. I don't think Linux is capable of running KQ9 right now, because of the engine you're using(isn't it the MoE engine?).
It's not the MoE engine.
It's the Torque engine.
I think it has good linux support too.
I'll ask Neil. ( Or he will read this first? )
Quote from: Grundy on August 18, 2004, 11:36:33 PM
It's not the MoE engine.
It's the Torque engine.
I think it has good linux support too.
I'll ask Neil. ( Or he will read this first? )
NM. I was just thinking about your KQ9 Shooter posts. XD
Yes, it has decent Linux support.
Quote from: Grundy on August 18, 2004, 11:25:22 PM
Our GUESSTIMATE so far for requirements is...
1Ghz CPU ( Most likely 1.33 + )
64MB Video Card (128MB preferable )
Those two estimates are wrong, Grundy. :P Right now it's running fine on a P3-500, and Torque is able to support as low as P2-500, so I wouldn't say it's 1 Ghz.
And I've been able to run the engine fine with 32MB Video Card, but I'm not sure if it will work with 16MB or lower. I KNOW it won't work with 4MB or less though (you get a frame rate of under 0.1 FPS). XD
The engine can create both Mac and Linux products, but right now we're focusing on the Win32 version (Windows 98/SE/ME/2000/XP). We'll port it to Mac and Linux afterwards. I have no idea if it works on WINE. If you can run the Torque Demo (http://www.garagegames.com/pg/demo.php?id=1) on it, then you should be able to run KQIX too. 8)
I'll try it. Thanks.
Quote from: Yonkey on August 19, 2004, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: Grundy on August 18, 2004, 11:25:22 PM
Our GUESSTIMATE so far for requirements is...
1Ghz CPU ( Most likely 1.33 + )
64MB Video Card (128MB preferable )
Those two estimates are wrong, Grundy. :P Right now it's running fine on a P3-500, and Torque is able to support as low as P2-500, so I wouldn't say it's 1 Ghz.
And I've been able to run the engine fine with 32MB Video Card, but I'm not sure if it will work with 16MB or lower. I KNOW it won't work with 4MB or less though (you get a frame rate of under 0.1 FPS). XD
But are you taking into account the huge ammount of textures and polygons we'll have on screen?
Like I've said in previous posts, try running Tribes 2, that would be a 'closer' representation of the ammount of textures and polys we'll be using.
I WAS going to be a bit more lenient with system specs, but your aim isn't to say
"This is the bare minimum that the game will run on, so if you have this you should get about 5 frames per second."
I would rather give a requirement that will allow the palyer to enjot atleast 30-40 FPS. ;)
It's an all too common practice with games companies these days, they give ridicullously low system requirements, that are just truely unplayable.
I believe KQ9 will be PLAYABLE on a 750Mhz or more and 128MB ram with 64MB video card... but I was players to be prepared and be able to play it without going "stupid crap computer, low FPS crap..." lol
;)
There's a difference between minimum system requirements and recommended system requirements. KQ games used to be good at describing these, but I take it current 3D games aren't. ::)
Anyway, the reason why we haven't stated them officially yet is because we won't know until they're tested on such systems. I don't like to put guesstimates out there and have people upgrade their systems needlessly, nor assume their system is fine when it does need upgrading.
The only thing conclusive I can say is that bare minimum requirements for the Torque engine will most likely be the bare minimum requirements for KQIX, but most likely they will be higher.
Great, so you agree with me now. ;P
;D
OK, "FANS, DO NOT UPGRADE JUST YET!"
;)
Why not?
Oh well, I wouldn't upgrade until the new PCI-Express motherboards were out anyways(Intel already has them, I'm talking about one for AMD).
I don't agree with the video card. :P And still doubt it's 1 Ghz, but I do agree that the CPU will be more than Torque's minimum.
Whatever video card you get, make sure it has something like T&L. I'll bet that's one of the more important things to look for in a videocard for KQ9.
Quote from: Louisiana Night on August 19, 2004, 09:25:26 PM
Why not?
Oh well, I wouldn't upgrade until the new PCI-Express motherboards were out anyways(Intel already has them, I'm talking about one for AMD).
That's why I'm getting my new system in a few months, and not right now... because I'm waiting for the new tech to be released, bug free and a decent price. 'Instead of Brand new VERY expensive price.'
As for System Reqs. Neil... well, I know my systems will run it... I'm just concerned for Jeysie... lol ;D
I believe mine will be fine as well (not the one I'm on right now, a different one). But yeah, I'm more concerned for the people who will have to upgrade their computers to play KQ9 (i.e. Jeysie).
If people need to spend money, I'd rather they have proper minimum and recommended requirements first. :)
I don't really see the problem. A 128mb videocard, costs just a few dollars more, than a 32mb one. I wouldn't even consider buying something as slow as a 1ghz CPU, when I could get a 2ghz one for slightly more.
*continues comparing prices*
Really? Wow, things have changed a lot. :P But yeah, most of us can't just drop in a new CPU chip. You need a new motherboard, ram, cpu heatsink (if you're buying OEM) and cpu fan.
Maybe you can drop in a new video card, but chances are older motherboards won't support newer ones, especially some of the newer features.
That's just the CPU and Video Card, there's still the other requirements your system will need. And then to see if the overall cost and hassle is better upgrading than buying a new computer. Right now, I don't think anyone is willing to buy a new computer strictly to play KQIX, and they definitely should not buy one based on Grundy or my comments at this time.
I put pieces together, I don't buy a PC as a whole(I prefer barebone systems though, because I hate putting in the motherboards). So I don't pay much attention to how much a complete PC costs(Although, I know I can normally put one together cheaper, but not always).
Hee! Don't worry about me... I would need a new computer regardless of whether KQ9 had high requirements or not. The only difference is that maybe I might buy slightly higher spec things than I would otherwise. (I probably should anyway, since there are other modern games I want to play that look interesting to me.)
The only question is how long after KQ9 is released I'll be able to get a new comp and play the game So far I've been trying to earn up enough money for 3 years to get a new comp, and I'm still treading water. :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
Yeah, I'm like Jeysie. I tend to buy something that is very high performance wise (not necessarily top-of-the-line, but definitely new) because I use them for at least a year or two before having to upgrade it again. Also, I don't buy stuff when I don't have enough money (I don't use credit cards) so, I wait until I have enough saved up and get something really secsay. 8)
I always buy hardware, right before the price increases(like 100mhz more, for $50 more).
I normally use mine for more than 3 years(I have mastered the art, of playing games below their minimum requirements).
I've never spent more than *deletes* on a PC. Now my PC's not even worth half that much. :-\
This year alone I've already built 2 new systems... probably spent upwards of $6000 on hardware. ;)
( And I'm buying a new one in a few months... I'm insane. )
Quote from: Grundy on August 19, 2004, 10:08:25 PM
( ... I'm insane. )
We knew that already, but now we actually have physical proof. ;D
I don't think I've spent more than $3300 after taxes on a computer, and that was because my old computer literally fell apart (motherboard, memory and a hard drive). :P
Jeysie, if you need money, ask these two rich folks. XD
Hahaha, it was more out of necessity than luxury for me. And now to get that money back will take a long time. :-\
Yeah, right, Louisiana?
I think that my average *yearly* salary is likely around $6000. Certainly I've never made more than $9000.
Peace & Luv, Liz
QuoteYeah, right, Louisiana?
Umm.....
What did you mean by that? :-\
Sorry, I was agreeing that I should ask the two rich folks for money. XD
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on August 19, 2004, 10:24:50 PM
I think that my average *yearly* salary is likely around $6000. Certainly I've never made more than $9000.
Damn! Do you work at walmart or something?! ???
Quote from: Grundy on August 19, 2004, 10:38:35 PMQuote from: Jeysie on August 19, 2004, 10:24:50 PMI think that my average *yearly* salary is likely around $6000. Certainly I've never made more than $9000.
Damn! Do you work at walmart or something?! ???
Never worked at WalMart. Did however work at:
Jo-Ann Fabrics (crafts store)
TJ Maxx (clothing store)
Babbage's (software store. Only female working there at the time, which was sort of interesting.)
Dunkin' Donuts
Burger King
Bess Eaton
Toys R Us
A local family-owned graphic design and sign shop.
A local family owned industrial machine parts distributor.
All except the very last have paid pretty crappy. The latter would pay better if I consistently had more hours. :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
My income in the passing year has been exactly 0... and I'm going to have many expanses in the near future, so I can't see myself investing in hardware anytime soon :jealous:
I managed to find Gameboost. 8)
I have uploaded it to the site. Is there any chance that some(one) of you at Phoenix, have(has) an older PC(500mhz CPU), and would be willing to test this program with it(with an early build of KQ9)?
If not, I'll try it with the Torque demo, at a later date.
My parents use an ancient 500Mhz P3, 16MB video card...
I'll try out the latest demo... ;)
Thanks.
Please don't mess up your parents computer, because of the program I mentioned. I've never had problems with it, and it's a simple program, but you never know. :-\
One more thing I should mention, it mainly frees up CPU cycles(it probably won't help an aging video card). I said 500mhz, because of a post in this thread(that, and the last PC I used it on, was a 500mhz).
P.S. People tend to use that wink smiley, when they're joking, I assume/hope you're not.
I don't use the winky ;) smile to joke, I use it as a happy smile... because it's a bit more interesting than the usual. :)
But yeah, I'll run the program until the old computer blows up... they're going to buy a new one in the coming weeks anyway, because that one is 'on its last legs'... :)
Where can I get this program?
Email it to me?
Gameboost on KQ9 Fansite (http://users.ipa.net/~bobbyjoe/id4.html)
That should work, if it doesn't, get it from here.
Bleem! Park (http://bleempark.emuunlim.com/download.htm)
Ok, got it.
I wont be able to try it for a few days, since I'm going out of Canberra for the weekend. ( Read the lost and found thread )
But I'll see if it offeres ANY improvement at all, not just with our Awesome KQ9 demo, but with other torque games, I KNOW! I'll see if I can get Quake3 running! ;D
That'll definitely blow the computer up if anything! ;)
LOL! BTW, good to see a fan sight getting others excited about the game... ;)
"The Mysterys of KQ9"
(http://users.ipa.net/~bobbyjoe/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/aron.jpg)
"What is written upon this stone?"
hehehe... :suffer:
Once again, thanks.
EDIT: I still haven't promoted it yet(with the exception of the links on this and Arwen's forum, it's almost inaccessible). I'm waiting till I've got something worth putting online.
I am thinking that if KQ9 is released in a few years the requirements might be a 3 Ghz PC with at least a 256 mb video card. (Yikes I hope not)
Well, that would be MY recommended system! lol
*Neil slaps Jon on the head, "500Mhz, and 32MB card bicth!"... Jon scampers away... * ;D
What could you possibly put in an *adventure* game that needs that much more juice, Grundy? :P Only the art, and I find the idea of requiring more juice just to ramp up eye candy that already kicks butt to be pretty silly.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: dew7 on August 21, 2004, 12:00:19 AM
I am thinking that if KQ9 is released in a few years the requirements might be a 3 Ghz PC with at least a 256 mb video card. (Yikes I hope not)
That sounds like KQ10 or KQ11. ;P
I just installed DirectX 9.0c and realised something...
Quote from: Yonkey on August 19, 2004, 10:59:43 AM
And I've been able to run the engine fine with 32MB Video Card, but I'm not sure if it will work with 16MB or lower. I KNOW it won't work with 4MB or less though (you get a frame rate of under 0.1 FPS). XD
My video card is actually 64MB, not 32MB. So, I am now uncertain if the game will work with 32MB or lower. XD
Ok im going to need a new computer to play this game because my computer only has 64 MB ram, 8 MB TNT2 graphics card, 750 mhz, and 20 gb hard drive. I've had this computer for over 5 years so i think its time for a new one anyways (my computer is basicly on its death bed, the onlything i rely it to do is play the tiki song (my favorite song)on winamp and play the old sierra on-line games)
It sounds like this game will require a fairly modern computer.
Not really modern, one of my systems is 3 years old and it will run the game well.
( 1,33ghz, 512mb ram 64mb video card... )
You could easily buy a decent computer like that for pretty cheap these days.
I guess we will all have to wait and see until the requirements are posted on this website.
True, the only person who will be posting 'Official' and 'System Reqs' in the same sentance will be Neil. ;)
Hehe, that reminds me... *updates signature*
wants Neil to add "all-around cool guy" ;D 8) :P
Gameboost/Torque results.
Using the demo(and FRAPS), I had some very strange results.
I tried it with a couple of demos, and a few different settings. Gameboost tends to add bout 2FPS. I ended up using a PC, with only 450meg of space free, loads of spyware/trojans/viruses, and running Win98SE. Without Gameboost, Torque's FPS fluctuated(jumped from 17FPS to 33FPS, and then back again). I think Gameboost would be more helpful, on an older PC(this one's a mix of old and new parts).
PC Specs:
800mhz Celeron
128meg GeforceFX
256meg SDRAM
If anyone wants more details(I doubt it), just ask.
Will the game work on these, because that is what i'm going to buy.
Nvidia Geforce 6800 AGP8X 128mb
AMD3ghz
Asus nForce2 AMD Motherboard
512mb ddr400
I don't know what the minimum requirements will be, but I think it's safe to say it will work on that PC(as far as the specs go). :P
It probably won't run on my PC until I get it upgraded :-\
it is safe to say that it work fine on my new pc :P
This is my computer...
AMD 2500XP
256mb DDR
G4 128MB
Asus nForce2 AMD Motherboard
I'm certain that the game should run on this (and yes im downloading it the day it comes out XD)
Will there be a multiplayer option available over the internet? (could'nt find a thread)
If you're asking if KQ9 will be multiplayer, the answer's no(unless you count a group of people, taking turns with the mouse ;P ).
Here's the closest thing to the topic you named. :P
Multiplayer (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1234;start=msg48961#msg48961)
P.S. BTW, what type of Geforce4 are you using? :-\
Quote from: Louisiana Night on November 25, 2004, 11:10:34 AM
what type of Geforce4 are you using? :-\
NVIDIA GeForce4 FX 5600 :)
Just wondering if it was a FX(those MXs are SLOW :P ). 8)
Well, got a new computer and the specs are as follows:
512 MBDDR RAM
64 MB ATI Radeon (I'm buying a 128 when i get more money)
3 ghz processor speed
And probably more that i'm too lazy to look up.
What version Radeon?
Thinks people are going to get tired of him asking that. ;P
Would that be AMD or INTEL?
and how bigs the harddrive?
Or just give me and LN a link! ;)
It's Intel. :P
*revives topic*
I found out a bit more details about the System Requirements.
First of all, you'll need the Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1. You can get this by visiting Windows Update (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/). The .NET Framework can be installed on operating systems running Win98 or higher (meaning KQ9 will definitely not work on Win95).
Secondly, make sure you upgrade your video card drivers to the latest version by visiting the manufacturer's website. From what I've seen so far, your card should be 64MB or higher and either ATI Radeon or NVidia based.
Someone in the team was running WinME and their computer screwed up majorly after running the game, that he had to reformat. Of course, that's WinME so I'm not surprised. :P But in general, everyone that's tested the game has tested it on Windows 2000 or XP and it runs fine.
I don't want to get into CPU or memory yet, because we're in the process of making the game more efficient. In general, most people had 256mb of memory or more.
Quote from: Yonkey on April 26, 2005, 08:16:49 AM
*revives topic*
I found out a bit more details about the System Requirements.
First of all, you'll need the Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1. You can get this by visiting Windows Update (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/). The .NET Framework can be installed on operating systems running Win98 or higher (meaning KQ9 will definitely not work on Win95).
Secondly, make sure you upgrade your video card drivers to the latest version by visiting the manufacturer's website. From what I've seen so far, your card should be 64MB or higher and either ATI Radeon or NVidia based.
Someone in the team was running WinME and their computer screwed up majorly after running the game, that he had to reformat. Of course, that's WinME so I'm not surprised. :P But in general, everyone that's tested the game has tested it on Windows 2000 or XP and it runs fine.
I don't want to get into CPU or memory yet, because we're in the process of making the game more efficient. In general, most people had 256mb of memory or more.
Aaaah! It looks like I need a new computer! I only have 56 MB RAM (weird number, I know ::)) and absolutely NO 3D graphics card! Gotta go shopping...
Hey Neil...how do we find out who the manufacturer of the video card is? Like, I've got a Dell, so does that mean I go to Dell's website?
Right click my computer, go to properties, got to device manager, look at your video/multimedia cards and there ya go!
Oh, thanks Bushie. Alex actually talked me through it a couple hours ago, but I left the question up since I figured I wouldn't be the only person with it. Many thanks!
56 meg of ram? :|
Yeah. ::)
What an odd number. 32mb + 16mb + 8mb?
i bet it must have been an 8 meg machine, then you wanted an upgrade so you got 16 coz that was the standard, then you did so again but this time it was 32?
or you got random bits of memory off mates or something?
is there anything in computers that has increased in value as time has gone on?
Quote from: Yonkey on April 26, 2005, 08:16:49 AMSomeone in the team was running WinME and their computer screwed up majorly after running the game, that he had to reformat. Of course, that's WinME so I'm not surprised. :P But in general, everyone that's tested the game has tested it on Windows 2000 or XP and it runs fine.
What about Windows 98? ???
Quote from: Elessar on April 26, 2005, 11:26:34 AMI only have 56 MB RAM (weird number, I know ::))
Woah, I think my OS alone takes that much RAM :o
Quote from: Storm on May 05, 2005, 09:28:09 PM
What about Windows 98? ???
Not sure. I don't believe anyone's tested it on that yet. I can't even test it out myself, because the video card of computer I have with Win98 on it is way too old/slow.
Quote from: Yonkey on April 28, 2005, 03:34:51 PM
What an odd number. 32mb + 16mb + 8mb?
Something like that. I think that the computer had 32MB when I got it, and then a friend gave me a bunch of old computers with RAM in sticks of 8MB each. So I added them to my computer (it only had three empty RAM slots otherwise I would have put in more ::)).
Quote from: Yonkey on May 05, 2005, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: Storm on May 05, 2005, 09:28:09 PM
What about Windows 98? ???
Not sure. I don't believe anyone's tested it on that yet. I can't even test it out myself, because the video card of computer I have with Win98 on it is way too old/slow.
Well, if you need any volunteers to test it... ;)
If you can get the Torque Demo (ftp://demos.garagegames.com/tge/TorqueGameEngineDemo_1_3.exe) to run on your computer, you should most likely be able to have KQ9 run on it as well. 8)
Been there, done that :P
It worked just fine, but the minimum systems requirements for Torque are higher than what I've got - I'm not sure how it's going to deal with a full game :-\
Ok, well as long as the demo actually runs on your computer, that's one worry out of the way. :)
Now it's more of a question of it running smoothly, but that has more to do with your video card, than anything else.
I've got XP so I should be fine.
I have XP Pro. and Win 98SE so even if it doesn't work on Windows 98SE then I can run it on XP but I still hope it runs on 98.
This is what i have.
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System Information
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Machine name: AMD64
Operating System: Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 6800
Current Mode: 800 x 600 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 50.0 GB
Total Space: 76.3 GB
Drive: D:
Model: SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B
Drive: E:
Model: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DSL - 192 2GB
Quote from: daventry on February 04, 2006, 10:31:41 AM
This is what i have
It should work fine with your system. :)
The Torque demo runs absolutely great on my machine, but the mouse sensitivity is extremely high (I couldn't find any way to modify this, either). Can anyone in the programming department comment on whether TSL has had any problems with this, or if it was probably something done deliberately in the Torque demo?
It's an adventure game...not Half-Life or Doom...I'm pretty sure the mouse speed isn't going to throw your gameplay off unless you really want to pick that clay pot up as precisely as possible.
Quote from: Yonkey on May 05, 2005, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: Storm on May 05, 2005, 09:28:09 PM
What about Windows 98? ???
Not sure. I don't believe anyone's tested it on that yet. I can't even test it out myself, because the video card of computer I have with Win98 on it is way too old/slow.
Yonkey, can I test it on my 98SE system? I have 2.4 Ghz P4 with 512 mbs of ram and a 9200 Ati graphics card with 128 megs of video ram and a Sound Blaster Audigy card.
Nice try, dew
Well, why not if no one else has a 98SE system capable of testing The Silver Lining?
I took your query to mean that you wanted to test the game before it's released, hence my "nice try" response.
Here's my response: :suffer:
:P
Well if you change your mind -- just email me ::)
Well I know you have said TSL will not run on 95. Any information on what operating system you will need. If you can run the Torque demo then are you sure it will be able to run on your system.
Pretty sure. The game may run slower than the demo if you have just the bare requirements, so it may turn out that the memory and video memory may differ. Given the memory issues with Win9x, I'm not sure if this will cause a problem or not. But, that's what testing is for. ;)
Since it's an internet downloaded game, won't TSL work perfectly on your computer if you just have the right amount of space and an up to date system? If that's what all of you have, then there should be no need to worry. Am I right or wrong?
Yup, that's right. I guess the people that are worrying are the ones that don't have up-to-date systems. :P
Thanks Neil. I guess I will download and run the demo to see how it works on my system. ;)
Quote from: Zelly on June 01, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
Quote from: dew7 on May 27, 2006, 11:29:46 PM
Neil replied at least 256 mb's of memory aka ram ::) ;)
Okay, I actually have that on my laptop.
*Does a happy dance* :james:
Ah, but do you have a 3D graphics card? The Torque demo wouldn't play for me since I don't have a 3D card. :(
Quote from: Elessar on June 05, 2006, 10:21:45 PM
Ah, but do you have a 3D graphics card? The Torque demo wouldn't play for me since I don't have a 3D card. :(
Go buy one! You can get old NVidia or Radeon ones for real cheap these days. :)
Quote from: Yonkey on June 06, 2006, 10:18:40 AM
Quote from: Elessar on June 05, 2006, 10:21:45 PM
Ah, but do you have a 3D graphics card? The Torque demo wouldn't play for me since I don't have a 3D card. :(
Go buy one! You can get old NVidia or Radeon ones for real cheap these days. :)
I'm going to get a new computer soon, so I'll wait until then. It's not like TSL is going to be released for very long before I get it, if it's not released after.
Well, I am really happy with the Ati Radeon 9800 XT which is the best Ati video card that I can get from Ati that will work with 98SE. <does a happy dance> I am also glad that Creative still supports my Sound Blaster Audigy (1) with XP Pro. Apparently, it supports the full Audigy series from 1-4 currently.
Anyway, back on topic. Will The Silver Lining have stronger system requirements when it is released? I am not very worried since this Intel P4 2.4 Ghz. is a fairly modern machine that I enjoy upgrading. It was originally a Falcon Northwest machine from I think 2000 that I have continued to upgrade because for me it is fun and then I do not have to bother with a brand new machine that is not exactly what I want. <smile>
Nah, the minimum system requirements will more or less be the same unless we change the engine, but oberonqa pointed out to me that I should actually update the specs on the Trilogy page sometime.
It's pretty obvious that you'll need a Radeon or Geforce card to play TSL (integrated video cards just don't work with 3D games), and you'll need at least 512MB of RAM (since 256MB is far too little and makes the game too choppy). I would say Windows 2000/XP or higher, since Dew said there are audio problems with Win98.
The disk storage space will obviously increase, but everything else should be fine. :)
I just had a problem with another games audio recently and had to go into the directX consol to change the audio hardware acceleration and that fixed it. Did Dew try that?
Let me know when it's updated and I'll update the cover. Has anybody been keeping track of which Ati and NVidia cards work so far and which don't?
PS. How do i upload a picture from my computer?
Quote from: Shades2585 on September 09, 2006, 06:47:41 AM
Let me know when it's updated and I'll update the cover. Has anybody been keeping track of which Ati and NVidia cards so far so far and which don't?
PS. How do i upload a picture from my computer?
Will do. :) I think Oberonqa figured out the minimum working model for each manufacturer. 8)
To upload a pic, you'll need to save it as a jpg and then make sure it is less than or equal to 400px in width (this isn't necessary, but it'll help cut down the filesize). In filesize it needs to be under 100KB per file. Once you've done all that, click "Additional Options..." when posting in a thread, and then click the "Browse..." button to find your pic.
I am guessing that the requirements will be the same for the release of part 1 shadows as it is for the demo. Is that correct? I also must ask if the requirements will be the same for parts 2 and 3 since they will no doubt come at a much later time.
Quote from: Yonkey on September 09, 2006, 06:54:48 AM
Will do. :) I think Oberonqa figured out the minimum working model for each manufacturer. 8)
Thanks Yonkey. Oberonqe if you'd keep me updated on the video cards I'd appreciate it. Thanks
Quote from: Yonkey on September 09, 2006, 06:54:48 AM
To upload a pic, you'll need to save it as a jpg and then make sure it is less than or equal to 400px in width (this isn't necessary, but it'll help cut down the filesize). In filesize it needs to be under 100KB per file. Once you've done all that, click "Additional Options..." when posting in a thread, and then click the "Browse..." button to find your pic.
That's my problem I'm not seeing the browse button, where is it? :-[
Click "Additional Options..." :)
Thanks!
-Shaking head. I looked there and somehow didn't see it.- ::)
Dew, did you try changing your sound settings in DirectX?
Quote from: rbadala on September 09, 2006, 08:01:36 AM
I am guessing that the requirements will be the same for the release of part 1 shadows as it is for the demo. Is that correct? I also must ask if the requirements will be the same for parts 2 and 3 since they will no doubt come at a much later time.
Yes the requirements for the Demo and Part 1 "should" be the same but that won't be determined until beta testing is done. I think I can safely say that since part 2 & 3 are nowhere near done enough that there is no way they can tell you what the requirements are for them. Ideally it shouldn't change much from Part 1 because it's using the same engine but from what I've read 2 & 3 will be more graphics intensive (with the hope that they might go back later and tweak Part 1 when everything is done. No guarantees there.) so the graphics card requirements might go up, but any 50$+ NVidia/ATI video card now-days should be fine. They just said that the minimum recommended memory will be changing to 512MB but I don't think the minimum processor speed has changes yet.
What did you change in the hardware acceleration. I ran all the Direct X tests and they were all successful.
I'm using XP so the layout may be a little different. But if I remember 98 I think it's still the same.
When you run the DirectX utility one of the tab says "Audio", select that. Now you should see a slide bar for Audio Hardware Acceleration. Try setting it at different levels and see what it does. I think default is Maximum, in Wing Commander Prophecy and Secret Ops we sometimes had to reduce it to Minimum, Hopefully it will work here too.
Let us know.
Sure, I will give it a try but I will be surprised if it works.
Man, I truly and sincerely apologize for doubting you Shades2585. I am an idiot. It seemed like much too simple to actually work. I turned off the Direct X sound acceleration and bingo it works like a charm. How in the world did you find out about this method? Neil, if you are there the sound problem is now fixed by just turning off the acceleration though Direct X in 98SE just like Shades2585 said. The game works as advertised in 98SE. Hip Hip Hooray!!!
Woo HOO! !!! No prob, glad that worked Dew. I'm a big fan of Wing Commander and frequent www.WCNews.com (http://www.wcnews.com). That solution was found there many years ago and I had forgotten about it until this weekend when I went to play WC Prophecy and the sound was stuttering and I remember the fix. When I saw your post I thought it might work there as well.
Add it to the List Yonkey. ;D
Quote from: Yonkey on September 09, 2006, 06:54:48 AM
Quote from: Shades2585 on September 09, 2006, 06:47:41 AM
Let me know when it's updated and I'll update the cover. Has anybody been keeping track of which Ati and NVidia cards so far so far and which don't?
PS. How do i upload a picture from my computer?
Will do. :) I think Oberonqa figured out the minimum working model for each manufacturer. 8)
To the best of my knowledge at this time, you'll need AT LEAST a Radeon 8500 or a GeForce3 card to ensure compatibility with TSL. There are some exceptions to this is your using a GeForce card:
- Do not consider the GeForce4 MX line of cards. These cards have abysmal performance with modern games and should be avoided at all costs unless you have no other choice. If you do use a card from this line, you will need to lower the game resolution and bit depth to either 640x480x16 or 800x600x16. You may also need to run the game in a window.
- Avoid any card that has "LE" in it's name, like the GeForce 6200 LE. These cards are technologically inferior to cards of the same series that don't have the "LE" in their name. Most often, "LE" cards have have a smaller pipeline, slower/lower memory, and slower clock speed. All this translates into impacting performance. To put it another way, "LE" cards are just modern versions of the MX line I talked about above.
I guess shades is referring to when people have problems with the sound and the sound driver update still does not fix the problem.
The FAQ? There were only two people with this problem, so it actually doesn't need to be added yet. :)
Quote from: Yonkey on September 12, 2006, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: Shades2585 on September 12, 2006, 08:59:27 AM
Add it to the List Yonkey. ;D
The list of what? ???
Quote from: dew7 on September 12, 2006, 05:56:17 PM
I guess shades is referring to when people have problems with the sound and the sound driver update still does not fix the problem.
Quote from: Yonkey on September 12, 2006, 06:02:49 PM
The FAQ? There were only two people with this problem, so it actually doesn't need to be added yet. :)
It may not be "Frequent" but i would add it just the same. And this keeps 98 on the OS list.
It actually says 98SE. I know 98SE has the added benefit of better USB support. (USB 2.0) Some games require 98SE or better as a bare minimum. Actually, the more recent games seem to be just requiring XP. You can see my post about 98SE in TSL in Tech. Support if you are interested.
Quote from: oberonqa on September 12, 2006, 02:12:25 PM
To the best of my knowledge at this time, you'll need AT LEAST a Radeon 8500 or a GeForce3 card to ensure compatibility with TSL. There are some exceptions to this is your using a GeForce card:
- Do not consider the GeForce4 MX line of cards. These cards have abysmal performance with modern games and should be avoided at all costs unless you have no other choice. If you do use a card from this line, you will need to lower the game resolution and bit depth to either 640x480x16 or 800x600x16. You may also need to run the game in a window.
- Avoid any card that has "LE" in it's name, like the GeForce 6200 LE. These cards are technologically inferior to cards of the same series that don't have the "LE" in their name. Most often, "LE" cards have a smaller pipeline, slower/lower memory, and slower clock speed. All this translates into impacting performance. To put it another way, "LE" cards are just modern versions of the MX line I talked about above.
Really the Geforce LE’s are having problems? Wow. Wouldn’t have though that.
How does this list look?
So for the ATI it looks like
Radeon 8000 series
Radeon 9000series
Radeon X series
What about the Radeon 8500le? Same problem?
For GeForce
GeForce 7 Series
GeForce 6 Series
GeForce 4 Series
GeForce 3 Series
GeForce FX
NVIDIA nForce Series
NVIDIA Quadro NVS
(Excludes LX and MX Cards)
98SE and ME are removed
8)
I upgraded from a 9200 Ati graphics card that worked to a 9800 XT graphics card so that I could be able to run Vista's Aero technology and have the best of three worlds. The 9800 XT ran me about $137 from Ebay and was listed and look like a brand new video card. Ati says you need a Radeon 9500 or better for support still and the X series work too but I do not think any of them run on 98SE and the ones that do are not as good as the 9800 XT since I researched it and the people at ATI said this was their best graphics card that ran on 98SE with the use of a Windows ME driver and support should be there for at least a few more years and I need a newer graphics card to play the latest games too. (Support for the technology I run on this custom built Falcon Northwest computer with 98SE, XP PRO. and soon with Windows Vista Premium after I upgrade my ram from 512 mb's of DDR ram to 1 gigabyte or more of DDR Ram) Life is good!
Quote from: Shades2585 on September 13, 2006, 06:20:49 AM
98SE and ME are removed
Actually 98SE isn't removed, since it now runs the game without any issues. ME's the one that's a bit too unstable for this game. XD I think the demo works fine on Win2k and higher. It'll most likely run fine on Vista too. 8)
Quote from: Shades2585 on September 13, 2006, 06:20:49 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on September 12, 2006, 02:12:25 PM
To the best of my knowledge at this time, you'll need AT LEAST a Radeon 8500 or a GeForce3 card to ensure compatibility with TSL. There are some exceptions to this is your using a GeForce card:
- Do not consider the GeForce4 MX line of cards. These cards have abysmal performance with modern games and should be avoided at all costs unless you have no other choice. If you do use a card from this line, you will need to lower the game resolution and bit depth to either 640x480x16 or 800x600x16. You may also need to run the game in a window.
- Avoid any card that has "LE" in it's name, like the GeForce 6200 LE. These cards are technologically inferior to cards of the same series that don't have the "LE" in their name. Most often, "LE" cards have a smaller pipeline, slower/lower memory, and slower clock speed. All this translates into impacting performance. To put it another way, "LE" cards are just modern versions of the MX line I talked about above.
Really the Geforce LE's are having problems? Wow. Wouldn't have though that.
How does this list look?
So for the ATI it looks like
Radeon 8000 series
Radeon 9000series
Radeon X series
What about the Radeon 8500le? Same problem?
For GeForce
GeForce 7 Series
GeForce 6 Series
GeForce 4 Series
GeForce 3 Series
GeForce FX
NVIDIA nForce Series
NVIDIA Quadro NVS
(Excludes LX and MX Cards)
98SE and ME are removed
8)
The nForce series is an integrated chipset on the motherboard (much like the Intel Extreme Graphics chipset). By itself, it is not enough to run TSL.
Well most games seem to need a separate graphics card to run well. I prefer separate graphics cards too because I feel they are superior. Actually, I am currently working on 4 computers at the school that I work at and one machine --- a 1999 Micron PC --- I could not save because the video is shot. I did everything I could for this machine. I formatted the drive, reinstalled 98SE, started to bring 98SE up to date with February 2004 security cd and using the cd for the graphics integrated card on the motherboard. Next, the screen went black when trying to access the cd drive. I talked about the computer with the technical support person and he told me that it was the video that was going bad. It was not the monitor since it started okay and only went black after a while. The cd rom drive and other components were okay. The motherboard will be going to salvage and the other parts will be reused in other older school computers. I managed to save one severely damaged (in the software sense) 98SE machine that is now working great. The third 98SE machine was not too bad off and only needed a little fixing. The XP Pro. machine was mostly fine and just needed tweaking and tighter security settings.
Thanks for the information dew. I hope this new video card works for you. ;)
You are most welcome, Neil. This new video card on my PC took a while for me to hook up because it needed to connect to the power supply to power the fan and I needed to hook it up somehow and the directions were somewhat vague. I first had turned the computer on without hooking it to the power supply and beep, beep, beep --- message appeared telling me to hook the video card to the power supply. I figured it out, said a prayer after everything looked good and turned on the computer and it worked! I was happy. My next step is to get more memory in this machine -- at least a gigabyte and maybe two gigabytes. I am glad I have a fair amount of power --- Antec power supply over 400 watts -- (I think about 450 watts) -- the video card requires at least 350 watts!
I will try Shades idea of fiddling with the Direct X sound acceleration and see if that makes the Oracle more easily heard with some acceleration and I will post back.
Thanks, but please remember to stay on-topic. I don't want to have to put you on SpamWatch or worse. ;P
Okay, sorry for straying off-topic. I suggest Say can email me if she wants to know information about my computer set up to help me stay on topic. Thanks Neil and Say.
Sounds good. :)
Thanks.
So will TSL work in Vista and this fits in with the topic heading. :P
Try it out and let us know. XD
I don't see any reason why TSL wouldn't work with Vista. The switch to Vista from XP shouldn't be nearly as earth-shattering as the switch from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95... unless your switching from a 32-bit version of XP to a 64-bit version of Vista... in which case most of your problems will come from driver incompatibility rather than software incompatibility.
As far as game compatibility, I remember reading something on ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/) about game compatibility and performance under Vista. The article talked about Vista's Game Explorer interface (which showed the box art for the game as well as the game's ESRB rating), parental controls for allowing or blocking games with certain ESRB ratings, and performance of a selection of games (I specifically remember Oblivion and FarCry being mentioned in the article in a favorable light).
It might be worth checking out if your interested. I would also recommend checking out the MSDN Vista Forums (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/support/forums/default.aspx) or the MSDN Vista Newsgroups (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/community/newsgroups/default.aspx) for more information as well.
Well, currently my sound does not work well in Vista due to beta Vista drivers for the Sound Blaster Audigy card line --- 1-4 and I have a Sound Blaster Audigy 1. This makes testing either Windows Media Player 11 in Vista or The Silver Lining in Vista a mute point.
I could add something that has been said before: Use the demo or the Torque demo as your testing tools. Our changes to Torque should not add compability problems and 99% of the game contents will not affect compability anyway. I even expect reduced system requirements when it comes to memory and CPU speed in the full game because of improvements we made since the demo. Well, it shouldn't really mean that you will be able to play the game on computers that you can't use to play the demo today, but it should run smoother anyway...
Any idea if there will be higher system requirements since we still don't know when the demo will come out.
The demo that's out is the demo. I don't think they plan to make another.
Sorry, -- typo -- I meant any idea if the system requirements will be higher since we don't know when the game will be released.