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Crossover time!  ;D

This poll got deleted yesterday with all the server problems. :-\ Anyway, vote now!

I never read Harry Potter, and please don't try to explain the houses to me. ;P

I've never read it either, so don't explain them to me either. XD

What they said. :P

Gryffindor!

Alexander - Slytherin...just because ;p

Rosella - hmmmm I'd say Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff. More towards Ravenclaw because of the independance and cleverness

Really cool poll btw!

EDIT: You spoilsports should go read all five books this week so you can take part!!

... Aren't you even curious as to why these books are so insanely popular? You REALLY have never entered the Potter-sphere? Not even the movies?!  I didn't think it was possible... Even if you don't care/aren't fans, I would think you'd have heard the basics? Wow. I'm kinda... glad in an odd sort of way that the WHOLE world hasn't been taken over (even though I myself am part of the masses of avid Potter fans). When it turns out that these books are really evil brainwashing devices, you can proudly say, "I knew better!"  :suffer:

Anyway,  I can never decide for most people where they would go best (I'm not a sorting hat). Mostly because no one is really so one-dimensional that they would only fit in one place. I personally think the segregation of students based on the strongest aspects of their character is a twisted and unhealthy practice. How are they ever going to learn the true value of the other characteristics if they're always grouped with people like themselves? If I could choose, I would pick Hufflepuff for myself, because I think serving others and loving and accepting people are the most important. But I also know that to do that well, you need wisdom (Ravenclaw), and courage is absolutely necessary for it as well (Gryffindor... infact, courage has no basis without kindness and care... it's what defines it, if you ask me. What GIVES me courage is CARING about something). And courage without wisdom usually makes things worse. Ambition is trickier, but quite frankly, if we weren't ambitious we'd never get anywhere. You can have excellent ambitions, like solving world hunger. If you have all those other good characteristics but not ambition, you aren't going to be doing anything with those gifts. There is such a thing as selfless ambition, y'know. It's not always a bad thing.

So anyway, after that ridiculous spiel, I would say Rosella is a Ravenclaw/Gryffindor, and Alex is a Gryffindor/Hufflepuff. If I had to define their most prominent aspects. :P They, like most people, have some of all of it, if you ask me. ;)

The Fran has spoke.  ;)

Quote from: Drunken Chinchilla on January 31, 2005, 03:26:28 PM


EDIT: You spoilsports should go read all five books this week so you can take part!!

But I don't wanna! *whiney fit*

Quote from: Drunken Chinchilla on January 31, 2005, 03:26:28 PM
EDIT: You spoilsports should go read all five books this week so you can take part!!

They did take part...they just voted: "I never read Harry Potter, what is this about?!" and thus ruined the results of the poll! XD

They'd probably be in different houses...I think Alex is a Gryffindor and Rosella is a Ravenclaw. :)

QuoteEven if you don't care/aren't fans, I would think you'd have heard the basics?

Those are basics? :S
I read a bit of the first one, but I didn't like it... :sleepy:

I agree with Alex, go forth and read the books! I didn't read them for the longest time, then when I finally did I was slapping myself for not doing it sooner. I do think that the first two are the weakest of the series (though they're still quite good), but the last three kick butt. Anyhoo...

I have the exact opposite opinion of Rune. ;) Rosella, with all her talk of adventuring, diving headfirst into places where angels fear to tread, and bravery during her Tamir trials, is definitely a Gryffindor. Alex is trickier, but I'd peg him as a Ravenclaw... he's very curious, practical, interested in gaining knowledge, and intelligent. True, he's quite the brave adventurer as well, but he doesn't seem to be into adventuring for the sake of adventuring the way Rosella is.

Edit: Forgot to say... you make good points, Amarinda. Though seeing as how students tend to gravitate towards segregating themselves into like-minded groups anyway, it's likely that similar divisions would occur even if there weren't any houses. Though at least then it wouldn't have any "official" backing to fuel it.

Peace & Luv, Liz

Rosela is a real going to Gryffindor so active as she is
alexander goes to Ravenclaws he looks more diciplined
and none of the famaly would ever go to Slytherins becouse lots of evil wizards come from there
:D

I really hate to say this, but i think yall are looking at Rosella wrong. First of all, shes a total ditz... ravenclaw would not work at all.

She's got a good heart (the primary reason she's my favorite KQ character) so Slytherins out.

That leaves Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. Gryffindor is bravery leaning toward heroic chapion. This fits after a fashion, but I would argue Hufflepuff fits better.

Now, Hufflepuff guys arent cowards, their loyal, faithful, and quite daring when push comes to shove. This sounds an awful lot like Rosella in the 4th game. Her dad was dying, she loved him deeply and was loyal... so she did the best she could when she was offered the chance. Definitely Hufflepuff.

Alexander is more clear cut. He's the type that storms out to answer a distress call... or challenges a mighty wizard and turns him into a cat. This is much more Gryffindor if you ask me.

End Result:
Rosella = Hufflepuff
Alexander = Gryffindor

(BTW, I repeat, Rosella is my favorite character and I see no dishonor in her being in Hufflepuff. Its just a different kind of MO.)

Did we ask for your opinion? ;)


Oh yeah...it's a poll...we're asking for everyone's opinion! :P

Quote from: FataliOmega on February 03, 2005, 08:31:56 AM
I really hate to say this, but i think yall are looking at Rosella wrong. First of all, shes a total ditz... ravenclaw would not work at all.

Agreed.  I loved her in KQ4.  I didn't see her as a ditz then.  But all throughout 7, I think I rolled my eyes at just about anything she said!

Quote from: FataliOmega on February 03, 2005, 08:31:56 AM
That leaves Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. Gryffindor is bravery leaning toward heroic chapion. This fits after a fashion, but I would argue Hufflepuff fits better.

I'd argue that if you're looking at her from the very beginning of the 4th game, then she was brave.  She was willing to save her father by going to a distant land to get a fruit knowing that Genesta might not have to power to bring her back, should she fail to get the talisman.

Of course, then the arguement comes in showing her in the 7th game, where she is trying to keep from growing up and isn't ready to be married, and jumps into a lake to follow a dragonfly!  Come on!  How many people jump into a lake on your land after a dragonfly??  That, I guess we could argue, is her blond moment.

You guys over-analyze everything. Maybe it's because I've only read one of the books, but things look really simple to me -
Alex and Rosella are both heroes, winners, save the day every single time, and all-around good guys. As such, they belong in no other house but Gryffindor. The rest of the houses are for losers - that's why none of the main characters are in them :P

Oh, and why does a house like Slytherin exists anyway? wouldn't it be a lot more sensible just to kick all the evil students out?  ::)

Quote from: Storm on February 03, 2005, 04:05:23 PM
You guys over-analyze everything. Maybe it's because I've only read one of the books, but things look really simple to me -
Alex and Rosella are both heroes, winners, save the day every single time, and all-around good guys.

Are they really ;)

Not our Rosella... and definetely not our Alexander ;)

*cough* Cesar!  You forgot something!

" :suffer:"

:P

We didn't ask for more info yet. :P

I'll go first! ;P

César, what houses do you think the royal twins should be in? ;)

Peace & Luv, Liz

I don't know, actually. I haven't read HP that much to know. I've only seen the movies, and read parts of the first one.... haven't had the time to finish it tho, just've read enough to fill the script needs for KQ ;) and, no, I'm not gonna say what :P

:suffer:

YAY!  We got the suffer! :P

Rosella's a Gryffindor.

Alexander is either a Ravenclaw or a Slytherin...it's a bit of a toss up.

:suffer: <--for good measure!

Any of the houses can be "brave"... even Slytherin. The key is, what motivates their bravery. For Slytherin, the reasons behind the bravery could be inherite selfishness, desire for gloating rights, etc. (I havnt figured Snape out yet... He would be an example of a 'good' Slytherin)

Gryffindor is definitely the 'go and get em' group... Brave the snow storm, win the fair maden, and rule the kingdom. Their bravery definitely has an aspect of personal glory.
Alexander, I can see going on a dangerous boat journey to free the Green Isles. Rosella, I cant see doing that. Not that she isnt capable... just that its not her 'way'.

Hufflepuff, as I mentioned earlier, is a loyal, loving, and enduring group. Rosella went on her journey to Tamir in love for her father and endured trials. She was brave, but with inheritely different reasons. It was a mission of mercy. And before anyone says Hufflepuff cant be brave, does anyone remember Digory? (IV book)

(BTW, I dont appreciate yall trying to make my Rosella into Xena, Warrior Princess. There's a huge difference.)

(Also, Whats wrong with you, Caesar? You better not ruin my Rosella! She can be a ditz, a clutz, and naive... but dont you mess with her heart. She is goodnatured and loving. If I play KQ9 and find out you make her cheat on her fiance, promiscus, or have her get raped.... Im just going to have to go over there and break a few things. Understood?)

Grrrrr.... Dont nobody mess with my Rosella

Erik, are you feeling a little overprotective of your Rosella?

She's OUR Rosella. And if someone else wants to walk her off a cliff, they'll do it. :P
I agree with you though. Don't mess with our Rosella! >:(

I dont care if Caesar makes characters more 'real life like' but somethings just dont fit Rosella's initial character. If I get halfway through the game and she really is a selfish witch that has designs on the kingdom, or starts sleeping around, I will delete the game right there, delete my KQ9 account, and file an official complaint.

Grr.... Dont you dare mess with my Rosella!

It's OUR! Geez, did Robert send you a package with Rosella inside with legal documents showing your right to her? ::)

Wow, Erik.  Stressed?

Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I'm sure Cesar and Katie did a great job keeping with the original characteristics of each character.

lol... All I mean is whoever messes with her has to answer to me first and foremost. She's not anybodies Rosella, except maybe her fiance's (what was his name again? Itll come to me..)

You mean Edward? :P

It's Edgar. :P

 :P Anyway, Im late for class... Just make sure to pass the word....

Dont NOBODY mess with my Rosella!  ;D

*sees Erik's new signature line*

*sigh* He's a protector of Rosella... :(

Not happy with Jason protecting you and me assisting you? Don't worry, we'll find some Cat-related job for him to do. ;)

 ;D

Maybe he could be Cat's Chef? I don't know how good of a cook he is though. ::)

(raises eyebrow)

Anyhoo. You're a bit off, Fatali... Alex didn't go to the Green Isles to save the Isles, he went because he was worried about his true love Cassima. Saving and ruling the Isles was an unexpected side effect.

If Rosella's a Hufflepuff for rescuing the father she loves, then Alex is one for rescuing the woman he loves.

Speaking of Rosella, the problem is that she comes off as two different people in both games.

I'll agree with your assessment of her in KQ4. But in KQ7, Rosella is indeed only interested in personal glory, in the sense that she wants to go off adventuring to satisfy her heart's desires. You're forgetting that Hufflepuff is also the house of hard work and responsibility, and Rosella's attitude in the first bits of KQ7 completely flips a finger at those traits.

If anything, there's almost a little bit of Slytherin there... selfish desires, and she only acquiesces to let Edgar court her after she's found out he's a prince, and of the city she's been chasing after, no less. ;P

Peace & Luv, Liz

Quote from: Jafar on February 04, 2005, 06:33:46 AM
Maybe he could be Cat's Chef? I don't know how good of a cook he is though. ::)

I've been told that he doesn't cook :-\

Too bad. He outta start sometime, it's fun. :)
Aaaand I think we're getting off-topic.

She acquiesced to let Edgar date her after she found out he was Edgar...not when she found out he was a prince.  She did find out about the same time about both, but I still say it was after she found out who he was, since they had met previously in 4.

I dont see how 'personal glory' fits at all with her attitude during KQ7. Worst case, she's happy-go-lucky... which doesnt really fit with any of the four houses. One could argue that if something serious was happening at that time, she would have endured like she did in the fourth game. That's how I handle things. If theres something going on, ill bear the burden, but if nothings happening, Im usually Mr Positive (obviously, there are a few exceptions here and there... but I digress)

As for her dating only because she met a prince... I disagree. Im almost sure she had the chance to date/marry many princes earlier. Valanice, Im certain, made sure of that.

They're in different houses :P

well, now that I think about it, there is one similarity between our Rosella and Hermione, but I'm not gonna say what it is ;)

Regarding Fatali's comments, hmmm.... You know, one of the consequences of making a character more human is that, in order for it to be believable, it has to BE HUMAN. Humans are tempted, are put in situations where they have to succumb, or overcome temptations. The difference between Graham and Alex&Ros is that Graham is old enough to have a path set in life, and in KQ9, he will struggle to keep it, and question himself if he's good enough to do so. Graham's character struggles not to fail, already knowing what he wants.

On the other hand, both Rosella and Alexander are looking for such path. Their journeys will be ones of "Self-Discovery", as hinted in the teaser trailer that's now running in the site. I'm more kind to them two than I am to Graham in the way that I had more freedom to play with them. I've gone into Alexander many times before, so I'm not going to touch on that subject, but about Rosella...

Rosella will find herself in situations where she'll probably make wrong choices. The real question is, will she make something about it? Will she come to her senses? It is a long journey, and even when it was Katie who dealt more with shaping her hourney up, I remember I came in and worked on certain subplots to make her character more "interesting" if you may say so. I felt a lot of attention was given to the character arch of Alexander while Rosella needed to face more challenges, so I kinda worked in one particular subplot that Katie had shapen up, tying it up to Rosella's main dilemmas as worked in her character: The question of whether to follow your heart or your eyes, the question of taking responsablities for the actions you yourself have chosen, and the question of what Edgar and her family really means to her. The question of being selfish ot noy. The question of staying a spoiled brat or growing to be a woman.

When I studied these characters, I went deep into what life could have shapen them up to be. As I saw in Alexander the fears and traumas a guy raised by a heartless wizard could have, I saw what were the consequences of being raised an only child, in this case princess, overprotected by the fear of her parents that she would meet the same fate as her brother's. KQ7 did a pretty good job in this. She never thought of her mother along that jouney, whereas we saw Valanice hyper-worried about her, she was more centered in what she could get out of it, in the excitement of the journey. These are selfish traits that were put into her character and that were worked on to a very good level. Rosella still faces some of these traits in KQ9, but in more and different depths.

Unlike Jeysie, I don't see Rosella as two different persons in KQ4 vs KQ7. This is what actually makes us more human, the fact that we won't approach every situation in the same way. In KQ4, we see a deep connection to her father. It's obvious that Rosella sees Graham as his hero, and that's actually one of Rosella's characteristics, exactly where her adventurous trait comes from.

But here's where things get more and more complicated. As you work around a character, the beauty of it is that your character takes her own life and challenges the writer. There were situations where I wanted Rosella to do this or that, but that was what César wanted or César would have done. Rosella, on the other hand, decided to act otherwise, and she kept surprising me as the journey went on and on.

Rosella, among all of the characters in the game is the one that is faced with the hardest decision of them all. It's a decision that will either make her a true heroine or make her fail, but, again, from all of the challenges that all of the characters have to face (and they are not small, but really strong in all of the cases), Rosella will have to face the worse one.

One of my favorite scenes in KQ9 is toward the end of the game where Alexander and Rosella confront one another because of some events that take place. The story normally goes twisting around reaching peaks, and that one is one of the most important peaks. It not only shows the vulnerability of these two characters, but it also shows how human these two guys really are.

Another important factor of Rosella's Journey is Unique. While Tig-R-Oat is the opposite to Alexander, Unique is more of a mirror to Rosella.

And that's all I have to say for now :)

All in all, Rosella may not end up being what you want her to be, but as far as character goes, I think she's more interesting in the way that some of us will be able to relate to her in many ways, and see her grow and change, and value these changes more as if she was like this from the beggining, that is, if she changes to something you'd approve, which I'm not saying either ;)

::) Weeeell, thank you Mr. Cryptic, as usual. :P

I'm so curious. :) It's great to see someone working on a story and explaining the process and characters (who are of course very REAL in some sense or another, to each of us, which is another extremely interesting thing to think about). Aw, you guys are meanest to Rosella, eh? :P What, is it, like, choose between Edgar and her family or something? Hmmmm? ;) Oh wait, I forgot, can't tell us.  :suffer: Anyway, the inner machinations of Family are always complex and we've known for awhile now that they're the(?) main part of KQ9. I'm really curious as to what exactly they are, and I'm sure it'll be exciting to find out.

As far as the Houses controversy... I believe I mentioned something about human character being way too complex to put into a little box like that? I think we each can interpret someone differently, and who is without a bit of all of the characteristics? J.K. Rowling, I think, purposely shows the complexity and... non-single-trackedness of the characters of her books in relation to their houses. Who love learning and intellect more than Hermione? And yet she's in Gryffindor. Neville would seem much more Hufflepuff-y than Gryffinsor-y to most people, but we often see his unique style of bravery. Snape I think is uncommonly brave and very loyal to Dumbledore, but he's in Slytherin. Not to mention throughout the recent books I think Jo is trying to show that this style of classing people just doesn't work.

Hufflepuff is still my favorite (loyal, honest, responsible and kind). But then Lupin is my favorite character, so. :P Yes, I know he wasn't in Hufflepuff. ;) But the characteristics are there.

Ugh, talk about over-analyzing...  ::)

Whoo, another Lupin fan! Though I always thought Lupin was more of a Ravenclaw myself... (grins and ducks) But then, I'm slightly biased... I'd be a Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff.

But yeah, the "problem" is that everyone has a different idea of exactly what the houses represent, and everyone has a different idea of what are the driving/defining characteristics of each character.

It's rather interesting to see a class system based on traits/values rather than vocation. The closest mapping I could think of would be Gryffindor=Warriors, Slytherin=Politicians, Ravenclaw=Scientists, Hufflepuff=Artisans, but that obviously is still quite bent.

Choices enter into it a great deal as well, don't forget. Hermione might be a genius, but she had her heart set on Gryffindor, so that's what she got. And Harry had his heart set on anything but Slytherin, so Slytherin he didn't get.

Which presents an important question... which houses would the Royal Twins *want* to be in?

Peace & Luv, Liz

*gets drunk on all of Cesar's talk of Rosella (cryptic or not)  ;D  Oh thank you thank you thank you thank thank you  :-*

and as for this...

Quote from: Jafar on February 04, 2005, 06:10:22 AM
She's OUR Rosella. And if someone else wants to walk her off a cliff, they'll do it. :P

...I'm sure I'll seek out EVERY proverbial "cliff" the creators deviously allow  ::)

OMG! It's Harry Potter! And KQ! In a Poll! Together! I have found home...Anyone who knows anything about me knows that I love both Hermione and Rosella. However, the only reason I have a website about Hermione and not Rosella, is because Hermione is a person. She has her own (very opinionated) personality. That, and anyone who knew me in elementary school could promise you that I WAS Hermione, right down to the frizzy hair! I think giving Rosella a real personality is the best idea since sliced cheese (bread is sooo over-rated)! In KQ4 she was a stock character it seemed. A regular princess put into a lot of danger. In KQ7, she developed a personality, a weak one, but still. She wanted freedom from her mother's glorious expectations of a handsome prince and a "happily ever after." Rosella could NEVER be a Slytherin! A Slytherin would never trade a bag of diamonds for a fishing pole, a Slytherin would never return the diamonds, a Slytherin would offer the dragon 20 other peasants but WOULD NOT go herself, a Slytherin might not even try to get the fruit! There is no way on Earth that ANY members of the royal family are Slytherins. On Hufflepuff on the other hand, Rosella has done some very kind things in her day. She shows loyalty to her promises and also seems to have a general sense of right and wrong that she goes by. Like saving the cat in KQ7. So Hufflepuff is a possibility. Ravenclaw, an interesting house, but not for Rosella. Ravenclaw is not for cowards exactly, but for people who might teach a class like Umbridge. All you need is a book, and to know the theory, and it should work in reality. They don't want to learn by experience but by being taught. Definitely NOT for Rosella. She's too headstrong for that. On to Gryffindor, Rosella has surely shown her share of bravery throughout the years. Risking her life just for a chance to save her father's (don't pet the snake!), embarking to a strange land for the sake of others, not for herself, helping the ghosts even though they didn't really seem like part of her quest (her compassion also goes under the Hufflepuff category). She has done many things that show her love of adventure, simply diving in the pool to chase the seahorse (-like thing) might put her in Gryffindor! We must also remember that if you were to be sorted, the Sorting Hat would not put you in a house you did not want to be in. That said, I believe Rosella would be in..........GRYFFINDOR!! Though she shows a VERY equal amount of Gryffindor and Hufflepuff traits, her prevailing way of life is one of adventure. If you don't believe me, watch the opening scene of KQ7 again. "I want to go to a land beyond dreams, where everything's new, not really what it seems, enchantment, adventures, are waiting for me, I'll find that magic land, a land beyond dreams." Though she is a kind-hearted soul, Rosella would want to be with others that share her bravery, not her compassion. Certainly Gryffindors wouldn't be as self centered as the Slytherins, or as cautious as the well-read Ravenclaws. She wants spontaneous adventure. Gryffindor is best for her.

As for Alexander (*watches everyone groan as she gets to start this over again*), he shows more Slytherin qualities than his twin. Make no mistake; Alexander is not a bad person. It's just that while Rosella was over-protected in her childhood, leading her to a headstrong lust for adventure, Alexander was treated as less than dirt. He lived in a place where he had to do exactly as he was told or spend the next few minutes as a snail. Through no fault of his own, he seems to have learned that to get what you need, slyness is not ruled out. I mean, can you imagine Rosella, of her own free will, not that of Lolotte's, sneaking through walls of a castle, eavesdropping? Even so, Slytherin is not for Alexander. He is much too respectable to go there. As for Hufflepuff, Alexander doesn’t have the necessary skills. Once again, through no fault of his own, he simply grew up in a horrible place. Though he has made great social strides from KQ3 to KQ6, and gained a sense of diplomacy because of it, I do not think he has many traits that Helga herself would want for her house. Alexander is a very loyal person, and had he been raised under better circumstances, he might be a very Hufflepuff-y person, however he wasn’t, and he is not. Alexander also shows many more characteristics as a Ravenclaw than his sister. Though he was not afraid to act when the time came, he knows the importance of not just jumping into things. If Alexander had just tried to make the cat cookie, something was wrong, and Manannan found out? *shudder* He surely knows that being careful is crucial, and taking your time and not jumping into things can be rewarding, and possibly lifesaving. Ravenclaw is a good possibility for this level-headed King. Moving on to Gryffindor, Alexander is a very brave person. However, it is not really by choice. He is brave enough to stick up for himself when a plot to kill him is discovered. He is brave enough to do whatever he can to save Cassima. I simply think that after growing up a tortured soul, he just wants to settle down with the one he loves and relax. Though I’m sure he won’t pass up an adventure one if presented to him. ;) In conclusion, Alexander will be in…RAVENCLAW!! That one was kinda obvious because I pretty much ruled out everything else in my rant. But I had to announce it anyway. Anyway, THAT is my long opinion. And remember, never read each HP book 12 times and play each KQ game at least twice that, it’ll do this to you.
“Hogwarts, Hogwarts, Hoggy, Warty, Hogwarts…”
Ps: I think Lupin should be a Ravenclaw too.

next question would be in wich class the litle sister of edgar would be......