VERY excited about KQIX! Remember playing the earlier King's Quests when I was younger, but can't remember a lot about them. I'd love to play them again, but I'm on XP. Just wondering if somebody could do me a favor and catch me up and what's happened since the first King's Quest?
Thanks!!!
You can read summaries of all the plots here (http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Main_Page), cutely and thoroughly written by Cat. ;D
Quote from: kturcotte on October 01, 2005, 10:22:54 PM
VERY excited about KQIX! Remember playing the earlier King's Quests when I was younger, but can't remember a lot about them. I'd love to play them again, but I'm on XP. Just wondering if somebody could do me a favor and catch me up and what's happened since the first King's Quest?
Thanks!!!
Oh and if you want to play some of the KQ games on your XP then just put the cd in, then click on the cd on My computer, then click on install and if you can manage to install it (and your game is a cd, not a floppy) then right click on the game and click: Properties and then click run in 256 colors and 640 x 480 ;D.. at least that's what I did..
The compatibility doesn't work for KQ5 or KQ6
Quote from: Farquhar on October 01, 2005, 10:58:13 PM
You can read summaries of all the plots here (http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Main_Page), cutely and thoroughly written by Cat. ;D
Aww, thanks Farquar :) I was actually wondering if anyone enjoyed those summaries.
Quote from: racx_00 on October 02, 2005, 03:18:58 AM
The compatibility doesn't work for KQ5 or KQ6
Yeah, I know I have to use my 98 for that, but the XP can play 1, 2, 3, 4, and 8..
The XP compatibility works for all except V... for me anyway(though they all are a bit buggy with it).
You have to save KQ5 and KQ6's targets as bat. files. Here is a website about doing that (at least they now work on my XP!)
Click if you want to know how to make KQ6 and Kq5 to work!!! (http://www.sierragamers.com/bbs/BBSTopicPage.asp/t/3876/p/1)
Quote from: zac353 on October 02, 2005, 12:14:39 PM
Yeah, I know I have to use my 98 for that, but the XP can play 1, 2, 3, 4, and 8..
I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 and 8 working, and that's without using the compatibility for them XD
Quote from: kturcotte on October 01, 2005, 10:22:54 PM
VERY excited about KQIX! Remember playing the earlier King's Quests when I was younger, but can't remember a lot about them. I'd love to play them again, but I'm on XP.
Vivendi is supposedly releasing a compilation of the King's Quest games for XP. Take a look at this thread (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=2843.0).
Quote from: koko_99_2001 on October 02, 2005, 05:46:20 AM
Aww, thanks Farquar :) I was actually wondering if anyone enjoyed those summaries.
They were great. "Cat's Cute and Thorough Description", is a fitting description for them. :)
Quote from: Farquhar on October 03, 2005, 01:18:58 PM
Quote from: koko_99_2001 on October 02, 2005, 05:46:20 AM
Aww, thanks Farquar :) I was actually wondering if anyone enjoyed those summaries.
They were great. "Cat's Cute and Thorough Description", is a fitting description for them. :)
Thanks. Someone had originally had "Verbose" as the word, but Jesse was sweet enough to change "Verbose" to "Thorough."
Quote from: awesomeasapossum on October 02, 2005, 07:13:35 PM
You have to save KQ5 and KQ6's targets as bat. files. Here is a website about doing that (at least they now work on my XP!)
Click if you want to know how to make KQ6 and Kq5 to work!!! (http://www.sierragamers.com/bbs/BBSTopicPage.asp/t/3876/p/1)
Hey, thanks dude I've been looking for something that could do that ;D
I can get all the games to work except 7 and 8.
Does anybody know how to get them to work on XP?
I really want to play 7.
Yes I've tryed using 95 settings. I just keep getting an error.
I got Torrin's Passage to work but the grafix get messed up
after the Dragon cave. *sigh* ???
Quote from: Dirk Delshire on January 02, 2006, 08:45:40 PMI got Torrin's Passage to work but the grafix get messed up
after the Dragon cave. *sigh*Â ???
Yeah, But that's not an XP issue, I got the same bug on Windows 98 :-\
I think there's a patch for that... (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/torinspassage/download.html?sid=2560052) not sure if that's the one though.
I've seen it mentioned multiple times that KQ9 will attempt to fix most of the plot holes in the KQ games. Maybe I wasn't hardcore enough when I was playing them in my youth, but I don't remember any significant holes. Could you guys refresh my memory? What are the plot holes in the series?
How did Dracula appear at the wedding if Graham killed him? ;P
I'll let everyone else go into specifics, but here are some things to ponder: ;D
Why are villains always going after Graham & his family?
Why are Alexander and Rosella twins?
What connection does Connor and the Mask have to the royal family?
8)
I always thought the motives of the villains were good enough with the exception of KQ3. Was Alexander specifically abducted for a reason, or was he just a target of opportunity?
Why on earth would any one put a bridal on a snake? Not a lot of logic in that. :P
Quote from: TribeHasSpoken on January 19, 2006, 04:14:48 PM
I always thought the motives of the villains were good enough with the exception of KQ3.
Maybe, but TSL goes beyond "good enough". 8)
I think the Royal Family is closely connected with DESTINY, and villains can't let destined heroes hang around too long. :P
"Why are villains always going after Graham & his family?"
Because the royal family is always interferring with their plans, and showing up where their not wanted. The royal family is extremely meddling, ;).
Dahlia wouldn't be dead if it wasn't for Graham's interferance. Hagatha would still have Valanice, and the Nightingale if it wasn't for Graham's interfererance. Dracula would still be alive if it wasn't for Graham's interferance. Manannan may not have kidnapped Alexander if it wasn't for Graham's previous interferance with his sister Hagatha's belongings(see King's Questions for refrence to them being related), ;). If it wasn't for Gwydion's meddling with his brother Manannan, then Mordack wouldn't have kidnapped the royal family, and the castle. If it wasn't for Rosella's meddling with the affairs in the land of Tamir, then Lolotte would still be alive, and Edgar still living in Tamir. If it wasn't for Rosella saving Edgar, then he would have never returned to Etheria to be kidnapped by Malicia, and she would have never shown up to help defeat Malicia.
"Why are Alexander and Rosella twins?"
Because they were born on the same day. They are not identical twins of course, ;). This explanation can be found in the KQ4 manual of course.
"What connection does Connor and the Mask have to the royal family?"
As explained in MOE, he wanted to free his kingdom and save his King(he mentions this fact when in Castle Daventry). So he chose to follow his destiny and fix the Mask of Eternity.
Whatever happened to the Black Cloak Society from KQVI, and what happened to Shadrack? How are all the people after the royal family, like Mordack and Alhazarad connected? There are tons of questions that need answering. And there's even more questions that they could add to the game, like what's the prophecy between the two twins?
and this will all be answered, at least, in our view of it :)
"Whatever happened to the Black Cloak Society from KQVI, and what happened to Shadrack?"
This is true... Best I can tell from my research is that it was an idea that Jane Jensen came up with when she wrote much of the backstory. It wasn't necessarily something Roberta Williams had much to do with, and she apparently doesn't remember any details about it. Nor did it seem as if she had many plans to do anything with it after the KQ6, though she thought about it at times.
The "Black Cloak Society" was never an actual term that I instigated or thought up. I'm not actually sure where that came from. The closest thought that I have on that subject is that: when I was working with Jane Jensen on King's Quest 6, and we thought up the evil vizier, we talked loosely about the possibility of putting Mannanan, Mordack, and the vizier together as group -- possibly -- in a future King's Quest. There was loose reference to the possibility in King's Quest 6, although nothing was set in stone at that time. I think that it's possible that Jane Jensen might have mentioned the possibility (perhaps) in subsequent interviews on the subject, although, I'm not sure about that. Later on, I heard about the Black Cloak Society and kind of wondered where that phrase came from, but, I never refuted it as I thought it was kind of cool and, probably, would have gone on with the idea in future King's Quests had I had the chance. And, one final thing: Hagatha was never part in any discussion of a Black Cloak Society. - Roberta Williams at SierraGamers (6-9-2003)
"How are all the people after the royal family, like Mordack and Alhazarad connected?"
That is partially explained through accounts by Casimma in KQ5, and the letters in KQ6. The King's Quest Companion further explained a little bit more(the author pointed out he was working with Jane Jensen to get the information as well, as far as KQ6 plot explanations were concerned).
Actually they weren't really "after the royal" family, at least not to begin with. Alhazred, Mordack, and Shade were actually after the Land of the Green Isles, and implications of taking over the entire world beyond that (daventry was never mentioned as one of their main targets). Manannan's reason for kidnapping Alexander was simply to replace his previous slave, a practice he had been doing for many years.
After he was turned into a cat by Alexander, that put him into the sight of Mordack, who kidnapped the family simply for revenge purposes in the hope that he could get alexander to break the curse on his brother. As a side note the three-headed dragon wasn't even connected to Manannan, or Mordack in any of the official lore.
It was either just a random dragon attacking and destroying most of the lands of the world, before it finally reached Daventry (though its while he wasn't involved with controlling it, its said in the manuals that Manannan watched the dragon's rampage from afar as it terrorized all the kingdoms before it reached Daventry, as he enjoyed watching its destruction of humanity). According to the companion, it was controlled by someone other than Mordack or Manannan and not connected to them in any way.
Hagatha's connection as being Mordack's and Manannan's sister is apparently another one of those things first created by King's Quest companion, by the author and co-authors, and his contacts within sierra(such as Jane Jensen, but not necessarily Roberta herself), and then later used by other designers of King's Quest material(King's Quest Collection's King's Questions). Though its apparently another thing that Roberta William's herself either doesn't remember, or simply didn't have much part in developing. She personally never created a direct connection between Mordack, Manannan, and Hagatha within any of the games.
" I asked Roberta [...], and sorry to admit that she said she didn't remember the Black Cloak Society. It sounds cool. Perhaps she should have taken it more seriously and featured it in other games. With respect to Hagatha [being related to Manannan and Mordack]: Roberta's answer was, "Would you like them to be related?" Then she said, "Nope, Hagatha was her own seperate person." - Ken Williams at SierraGamers (6-9-2003)
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"There are tons of questions that need answering. And there's even more questions that they could add to the game, like what's the prophecy between the two twins?"
Officially there is no prophecy related to the twins, they are just just simply fraternal twins born by natural causes in the official continuity (this isn't star wars, ;) ).
However several different unofficial teams have created prophecy's related to the twins for their games. Uh Breast Intentions had some weird prophecy having to do with mother's milk. The team of KQ2+, came up with the Father's curse, the prophecy that was made that neither child would ever rule the kingdom of Daventry, destroying Graham's Dynasty. However alternatively Companion implies that Edgar and Rosellla would be the heirs of Daventry. I'm quite interested in seeing how The Silver Lining team decides to interpret things for the twins.
I think in some cases some people try to create some kind of over connecting conspiracy theories for details in the series, where there originally was no connection intended by Roberta Williams or any one else involved with the stories. Its the assumed conspiracy theory, leads the people to think there are plot holes where no hole was actually intended, because there was no direct connections to begin with.
This is cool, though, and allows for some interesting story telling. Even in some cases the official designers other than Roberta Williams put in conspiracy theories connecting things together (a few mentioned above) where Roberta herself wasn't even involved with the ideas(nor intended any connections to be made in the first place), and those left holes to be filled.
There are no prophesies in KQ2¼. At the beginning of the game, Alexander is dying due to an allergic reaction to infant formula, not due to any curse, prophesy, or anything magical.
Actually, I was referring to the prophecy from the mirror telling Valanice to go save her child from the infant formula poisoning.
If you read manual lore messages from the mirror is known as the "power of prophecy"... :p...
"Even with its power of prophecy, the Magic Mirror could provide no answers, not even a clue, for some bearer of black magic had cast a cloud of darkness upon its face..."-KQ4 manual
Its not the best use of the word prophecy, but whatever...
However there is the little issue with "Breast Intentions" plot that contradicts manual lore, in that the mirror "provides an answer", and "gives a clue", despite having a cloud of darkness upon its face. Where as in all the official lore, no clue was given, and no answer was given, so Valanice never knew what happened at all, and had no idea who took him, and she ultimately assumed he was dead. We won't even get into the fact that if she knew where he was taken she could have sent Daventry's Army(...yes they have an army) out to capture the kidnappers, :p. Its really a silly game heh heh.
Here are my two cents on Edgar and Rosella:
In *real* life, when a princess of one land marries the prince/king of another, the kingdoms become "combined". Example:
"Constantine II of the Hellenes and his wife Anne-Marie Dagmar Ingrid, Princess of Denmark (who is the youngest daughter of King Frederik IX of Denmark and his wife Princess Ingrid of Sweden)."
The kingdom as Greece and Denmark and their children are known as Prince/Princess of Greece and Denmark.
Why can't this be the similar to TSL? Rosella marries Edgar and becomes Queen of Etheria and Daventry (assuming the kingdom belongs to her). Their children wouldalso have joint titles. It would probably be a strong alliance (though it's impossible to tell, seeing as how we know nothin about either army, how strong it is, what arms they have. ect.
"when a princess of one land marries the prince/king of another, the kingdoms become "combined". Example: "
Oh I agree with you here, however considering that Edgar's parents are immortal fairy deities, its more likely Edgar would take over kingdom of Daventry long before his parents gave up their positions to him. Hell, Daventry could have gone through several generations of kings before Edgar received the kingdom of Eldritch (including Etheria), from his parents. That is assuming Edgar would give up his position to his children to avoid becoming an permanent immortal ruler in human lands.
However your idea also opens up the alternate possibility of Alexander and Cassima becoming joint king and queen of the Land of the Green Isles and Daventry. Rosella could easily become the Grand Duchess of Daventry while Alexander does the joint ruling from afar.
"we know nothin about either army, how strong it is, what arms they have. ect."
Actually the spinoff literature, King's Quest Companion, and the novels actualy give a bit of information on the armies of Daventry. Especially Floating Castle.
The backstory material for KQ7 gives some hints on the defense forces of Eltheria, which can be assumed to include trolls, falderal folk, and citizens of Ooga Booga.
However despite that information I'm very much interested in seeing where the TSL team's imagination takes their story.
Use Dosbox, or VDM Sound. They allow kq5 and 6 to work well.
Good Job Baggins. Very well done. Though the prophecy I was talking about was linked with the teaser that was shown on this site earlier. They have more than just a fraternal twin connection. They talked about two halves of a prophecy. Much can be added that isn't exactly from any game in particular. These guys are trying to answer our "plot hole" questions and give us more to ask ourselves. This game will truly complete this series, and most likely leave us wanting more.
Yep, I'm not argueing against TSL team's version of the storyline. There is nothing wrong with creating a conspiracy theory laden plot behind a game. Jane Jenson attempted to do it for KQ6, despite Roberta Williams lack of involvement.
I understand that the TSL team is adding the idea of a prophecy behind the twins birth. I was just pointing out that in official continuity no such idea existed, in that material they were just twins.
But there is nothing wrong with TSL to create a prophecy behind their storyline for the twins. I will definitely note the difference where the TSL timeline differs from the original timeline in the Omnipedia. I personally treat them as two alternate versions of universe, each with their unique take on history, both entertaining.
http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Category:Dates
So I'm really quite interested where TSL will try to build their plot around the series.
I was just pointing out that there are differences between the official storylines(including the time when events take place) and various fan offerings. I wasn't trying to steal the thunder from TSL though.
My personal vision for the Omnipedia is to compare and contrast the various storylines, so that people new and old to the series can find more information about the series can see all the changes, and differences between various teams games throughout hte development of all King's Quest games.
I can't wait to start adding material from TSL to the site, :).