I have heard before that some of the enemies of the past shall be seen in TSL. Just wondering if these mysterious enemies will have major roles or more like cameos?
My guess is major roles. After all, what use would a cameo appearance of Mannanan or Mordak be? There could be a cutsceen of Mannanan as a cat saying, "Transform me back into a man!" but what would be the point?
Quote from: maestro on April 06, 2006, 06:44:48 PM
My guess is major roles. After all, what use would a cameo appearance of Mannanan or Mordak be? There could be a cutsceen of Mannanan as a cat saying, "Transform me back into a man!" but what would be the point?
That would be sooo cool! Imagine seeing an awesome, realistic, scary looking Mannanan giving you his infamous stare. Or just seeing Mordack or Abdul in 3d? Yay!
Well, there being an Underworld gives the possibility of old characters returning a whole new meaning.
The Lord of the Dead becomes free and flies around, terrorizing everyone perhaps? XD
"Finally! No more pesky dead people. Now to create a multinational corporation!"
Also, the Lord of the Dead has changed his name to Deadie Formerly Known As Lord. ;)
Quote from: Oldbushie on May 02, 2006, 08:56:43 PM
Also, the Lord of the Dead has changed his name to Deadie Formerly Known As Lord. ;)
XD
Was that before or after Alexander had his name changed? :P
We'll most likely be seeing the following: Malicia, Lolotte(or someone who looks very similar), and Abdul.
Malicia is my favorite villain. After that, I guess Manannan is the scariest. He's cool, in an evil way. I want to see all of the villains, Hagatha, Manannan, Lolotte, Mordack, Abdul Alhazared, Malicia and even Lucreto. Lucreto is kind of weak, it's not that hard to defeat him.
Quote from: Rosedragon on May 26, 2006, 02:23:23 PM
Malicia is my favorite villain. After that, I guess Manannan is the scariest. He's cool, in an evil way. I want to see all of the villains, Hagatha, Manannan, Lolotte, Mordack, Abdul Alhazared, Malicia and even Lucreto. Lucreto is kind of weak, it's not that hard to defeat him.
Well, since one of the loctions is the dreamworld (or something along that line), maybe we'll see them all there (though I'd doubt we'd see them in the waking world).
We could see a young Malica in the waking world.
*Sees her playing with her favorite voodoo doll* XD
I'd really rather they only bring back villians that aren't dead. Both Mordack and Lolotte were killed at the end of KQ IV and V, so I say keep them dead. Thier time is over.
No zombie villains like LeChuck? :P
As far as I'm concerned, Lolotte already was a zombie :P I mean, she was green and everything.
And so is Titania(though not as much so). ;)
Just because your green doesn't make you a zombie. Titania's not a zombie, she's green and pretty. Lolotte's green and ugly. I wonder if there are fairies with blue, purple, pink, mauve, orange, red, yellow, or gray skin?
I hope so, but we're getting off-topic here. :P Lolotte was just an evil faerie.
Someone is getting beat up by me if the Boogeyman isn't in this game. 8)
Quote from: uselessidguy331 on June 14, 2006, 12:59:56 AM
Someone is getting beat up by me if the Boogeyman isn't in this game. 8)
XD
*warns Neil* I don't think he is, but I could be wrong :P
Why on earth would you want the boogeyman back in the game?
Apologies to those who did like...err..'it' but I hardly think it represented one of the finest villains of the KQ series? (admittedly none of them cut any ice with me but then again I am a harsh critic and a fan of Gieger's various monstrosities!)
Whilst it would be nice to see some enemies from the past return, I would hope the TSL team have made a nice portfolio of brand new foes that could weave into KQ history in clever ways (after all, half of the old villains are either dead or defeated!)
Nonetheless, just my thoughts...
I'm quite sure we're in for a LOT of surprises :P
I think I know who the villian is in TSL! Remember the KQVI? The vizier mentioned the black cloak society and the evil wizard shadrack. Im almost sure it's shadrack as the villian. In the trailor you see a wizard. Please tell me if you think i'm right. ;D ;D
*uses psychic powers of observation*
Something tells me.....that....hmm...I see an S...I think...you're right!! XD
Yep, the mysterious Black Cloak Society member (leader?) IS the main villian in TSL. ;)
Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 18, 2006, 10:28:51 AM
Please tell me if you think i'm right. ;D ;D
I think you should check out my new avatar. ;P
Why put the boogeyman back in the game? Because he was a friggin' badass! He'd pop out of the ground and eat people! That's pretty intense, scary stuff. Plus he was just a creepy character. Probably the scariest KQ villian.
Quote from: uselessidguy331 on June 22, 2006, 01:18:31 AM
Probably the scariest KQ villian.
You haven't seen TSL yet. 8)
Well if the villains are as compex/creappy/sick or just plain as evil as Joneleth Irenicus from Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn, then I think we're pretty well off.
Shadrack's scary? :P
I see no reason why Mordack couldn't still be alive. He was a powerful wizard and Graham was just reading stuff out of a book and he didn't even know what they meant. Just because he rained on him when he turned into fire doesn't mean that he's dead. He could be pretending to be dead and turn out to be the true head of the Black Cloak Society. It could happen, it just has to be written that way.
Sure… You could just say that he was reduced to such a little flame that he was able to skitter away unnoticed and he waited smoldering in a corner for everyone to leave to start the trash bin on fire to rejuvenate his strength and change himself back.
LOL I could happen right? ;D
Quote from: Foamybrew on July 12, 2006, 11:12:26 PM
I see no reason why Mordack couldn't still be alive. He was a powerful wizard and Graham was just reading stuff out of a book and he didn't even know what they meant. Just because he rained on him when he turned into fire doesn't mean that he's dead. He could be pretending to be dead and turn out to be the true head of the Black Cloak Society. It could happen, it just has to be written that way.
He had to die sometime. ::) Anyway, Mordack was a ninny. He had neither the skill nor the patience to master magic as well as his brother did. I'm sure he could have avoided dying, but the fact remains that he probably didn't.
I don’t care if he’s alive or dead but he must have had some skill to live as long as his brother did. His brother did live at least 80 years and Mordack didn’t look that old.
Manannan was 80 years old? :o (Sorry, it's been a year since I played all the games straight through.)
Mannon did abduct at least 3 kids for eighteen years apiece. Assuming he was twenty when he started that would make him almost 80.
Holy crap, you're right!! So, if he lived for 80 years as a human and he was about to take another kid, he obviously wasn't about to die. So, as a cat, he would live for another 12 years. Except that he would live at least twice as long. So, he would probably die around the age of 104. :)
His preserved age probably had something to do with magic. Whether that would carry on in his cat form is questionable.
Quote from: The King's Quest Companion, Third Edition
The cookie thus created will turn whomsoever eats it into a feline (felis domesticus) forever; however, this is a difficult assertion to prove. No records have ever ben discovered, though, indicating the spell has ever worn off. It should also be noted that adepts familiar with the spell can easily recognize the cat cookie. For this reason mages disguise the cookie in some way or crumble it into some other food when planning to use it on a rival sorcerer. The wizard Manannan did just this to a former rival and then kept her as a household pet for both his amusement and the eradiction of vermin. It can be assumed that the victim was not amused.
Now notice the word "never", this leads me to believe that the feline is considered immortal (the wizard Morrowyn turned himself into a tree to become immortal, why can't the same principle be used as a cat?). But then, I could be, as I frequently am, wrong. :)
Hm, I see. So, that means, if there were ever to be a 'KQ X' fangame, Manannan would probably be in it...or maybe not.
KQV says only Alexander can be the one to reverse the spell. So unless Alexander started feeling guilty… :suffer:
I don't think even Alexander can turn him back, Mordack just needed an excuse to feed the royal family to the cat. :P Or mabye he just hadn't read the small print in "The Sorcery of Olde".
*Reading small print aloud*
No changing back, foo!
Wow, I didn't realize 'twas written by Mr. T!
The spell says one thing Mordack says another at the very least it leaves the possibility open IF someone wanted to.
Oh, ok. So he COULD (maybe(sorta(kind of))) change back. That's it!! KQ X: Manannan's Revenge! Or, maybe not...
A couple of things:
1. "The Sorcery of Old" only states that that spell doesn't wear off, not that it can't be removed.
2. Both Mordack AND Crispin said that the spell can only be removed by the one who cast it - Alexander.
From the "Fragments of the Sorcery of Old" (Author Unknown), in King's Quest Companion;
"Note The cookie thus created will turn whomsoever eats it into a feline forever; however this is a difficult assertion to prove. No records have ever been discovered, indicating the spell has ever worn off.
Mordack kidnapped Alexander and his family to get him to remove the spell. If Alexander studdied amgic and learned more of sorcery, he might find out how to remove the spell, of course he certainly would not want too. I think being turned into a cat is a reward, not a punishment. I am the loyal servant of a cute, mischievous calico shorthair, I love her. Cats don't have owners they have staff. Cats can survive on their own, but the smart ones pick an animal-loving human to live with and take advantage of, they live a life of luxury being waited on by their humans, and they get to sleep all day. And some of them get to go out at night and prowl around, have fun with other cats, chase rats, mice and birds, party in the neighborhood at night. I love cats, cats rock!
...Or, they live with mean wizards that have servents that kick them...
LOL
But ya cats aren't nearly as good as humans... Cats lose alot of abilities, they can't cast spells, they can't read, they can't utilize human equipment. They can't communicate with humans anymore(unless of course someone has magical white snake or equivalent). Compared to being a human being turned into a cat is a horrible thing.
Yeah, you're right, if I were a cat I wouldn't be able to read, draw, write stories and poems, go to places like the mall and theme parks or church, couldn't surf online, watch TV and movies ( well cats sort of can watch TV, but do they understand what's going on? I couldn't play adventure games or board games or card games, couldn't cook or eat out in restaraunts, or wear nice clothes and jewelry, couldn't put on music, or talk to people, have interesting conversations. There's a lot you can't do. The little female black cat in KQVII could talk.
I think the KQ series is prejudiced agaisnt cats. In KQ V you save a rat from a cat. I hate rats, they are disgusting, filthy, disease-carrying vermin. They carry diseases, it was fleas on the rats that causes the Bubonic plague. Cats do us a favor by hunting and killing rats. My cat used to go outside and kill rats, and lizards, I wish she wouldn't kill the lizards they are good, they eat bugs. i was upset when I found out she had killed a cardinal, they are beautiful birds I like them. In KQVII there is a toy rat, and the gravedigger's rat. I prefer cats to rats, I also like dogs, but I think I like cats better.
Back on topic, Manannan probably hates being a cat, he can't use magic anymore, or talk, or order Gwydion/Alexander around. I wonder why he did not attack Alexander with scratching and biting after being turned into a cat. Perhaps he was shocked and embarrassed? There are some cool wild felines in the KQ series, like the lion guarding the door to Valanice's room in the crystal tower in KQII, and Genesta's pet snow leopard, and the tiger that King Graham transforms into in KQV.
Actually, Manannan CAN talk as a cat. He won't talk to you in KQ3, but talk to him in KQ5 and he'll demand to know who you are before running off to get his brother. Scared me the first time I did it. XD
But is whitesnake required?
Good point, but probably not. Mordack might've found a way to let him speak normally in addition to cat-noises. :P
He was able to talk to Graham because of the white snake according to the companion and other strategy guides.
Otherwise cat cookie cats just make hissing and meow noises, like any other cat.
A similar thing occured in King's Quest 3. Without magic dough all Alex could hear was cat hiss, and snarl. But with magic dough he could hear what the cat was saying.
Manannan's cat was also product of a Cat Cookie, and one of Manannan's old rivals.
Quoterats
In some defense of rats, while they shouldn't live in human establishments, where they certainly are a pest, they do have a beneficial use out in the wild. They keep other vermine down, like cockroaches, mice, and other nasty insects. Other vermin that could potentially make their homes in human abodes....
Circle of life, and everything has its place and use.
Also rats are actually fairly clean, like cats they wash themselves. A pet caged rat is probably cleaner than a pet cat, in that the cat may go outside, and can carry in all manner of vermin (worms, fleas, ticks, etc).
As for bubonic plague, it wasn't just carried by fleas on rats... The flea that carries the plague can be found on a variety of different rodents including, squirrels and chipmunks...
It is believed that more than one kind of plague hit during the middle ages, other forms including an airborne variety, "pneumonic plague", and was human to human transmission(dirty humans, ;) )...
Also in some locations so called plague might have been caused by anthrax spores, which could have been ingested by eating beef...