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We shall get a progress word out once the legal stuff is out of the way, for now, do know the production is back on track since beggining of Jan. About the release is not longer in our hands, as I said we need to get the legal terms in order first. We will inform everyone as soon as we can, of course.

Thanks for welcoming me back, racx.  I am doing a lot better now.  It must be tough now that everything is up to VU.  I hope they give you as much freedom to do what you want as the team needs, Say.

I'm sure they will. But with all this legal matter it makes me wonder if KQIX IS going to be released (on shelves in stores).

Heck, whether it is released for free or ends up on the shelves for sale at the store --- I still plan to acquire it --  :)

Ditto.

Does anyone know if it would be an even greater adventure (eg. better graphics, sound or storyline) if it ended up on store shelves and had the financial backing of VU behind the Silver Lining?  To the POS team keep up the good work.

That is interesting Dew. If VU took over and made this game into one of their commercial games, the official sequel to the KQ series, if it was made officially KQIX, and came out in a box in the stores, that would mean we would not get to play it for free, we'd have to buy the game!  :P   But I wouldn't mind paying for it so long as it is not too much, I can tell this game is going to be awesome...when it finally comes out.

I agree with you Rosedragon that this game is going to be great when it comes out.  I can only hope that some new journal entries, trailers, or other information about the game will be released soon.

Me too! :P

Im soffocated with work right now, I can't wait till everything is already done :D

Well a trailer and the making of KQ IX was posted so I am really excited for this game now.   8)

Well, since the topic of "how long would the other parts" take came in another topic, I thought I'd answer that question here.

I'll add to what Neil said about us not being able to work full-time on this. Basically, one of our problems with Shadows comes in the form of us being amateur. A lot of times we learned the bad way to do stuff and therefore lost a lot of time. I can say that 2002-2004 were basically our years of learning (even when we are still learning), but it was in 2004 where we went into FULL production. We grew to a huge team, we've learned how to do things, we now know shortcuts we didn't know back then, etc, etc, etc.

So, no, I don't know how long would take "Two that are one" to be finished. I know it is bigger than Shadows. Much bigger. but, like Neil said, we'll only have to add stuff to the engine, we'll know how to do things, we'll have a BUNCH of animations we can reuse, characters, etc, etc.

Also, 2D design is pretty advanced for part 2, so we don't have to worry about it. We'll be able to jump into full production.

Part 3 will be pretty much a breeze. Why? Well... it's complex because of the final stage, BUT, there's not as many characters as there are in 1 and 2, and there's a lot of revisited bgs from part 2. it's shorter as well, goes pretty much into the "action".

So... I hope that answer your questions :)

Thanks, Cesar for more information on The Silver Lining.  Now if only I can get Yonkey in here to reveal some spoilers on TSL that would be so nice.   :sneaky:

Good luck with that! :suffer:

Now what would make you, Yonkey willingly give a spoiler to the community of Silver Lining fans.

 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:

(What a perfect way to celebrate my 9000th post! XD)

You do realize that you are making more work for Rosella and Cat.   ;)

Quote from: dew7 on March 27, 2006, 09:18:38 PM
Now what would make you, Yonkey willingly give a spoiler to the community of Silver Lining fans.

He'd have to get my permission.

good luck with THAT  :suffer:

Well can you give us some spoilers, then Cesar   ;)

 :suffer:

For some reason, I was expecting that :P

C'mon Cesar, give us just a bit of something  :-\

TSL's plot will, in fact, involve Graham, Rosella, Alexander, Valanice, Shadrack, and Cuatokomacen. :P

Ok, maybe not the plot for the last one, but he's in there! :P

The Silver Lining will be in three parts.   ::)  :P

This is a first for me on this Progress subject. I love just to talk to the fans and people on the site even if I don't get a progress report all the time. That's what keeps me coming back here is the people.
If there was no Forum I probably wouldn't bother to check it every day. All I want to know right now is when will the site be updated. Personally I'd like to see a new site based on POS, with the TSL stuff in a button on the site. Making the forum part of POS so that you can read the most interesting history of a game company ever. Being through the fans eyes of coarse. I can't wait to play any of the future games of POS. Hopfully it will never go the way of Sierra or Disney and get Bought out by people who don't understand the same love that created it. Whatever happens with VUG never let them buy POS. If you do the end will be quick. I'm not saying they won't be nice to you with the game, but that if they purchase you that POS will become like them. Even if it doesn't start that way.
VUG is based on money and money is all they know.
Dirk Delshire the long winded (Sorry bout the rant LOL)

I am still waiting for the journal update.   ;)  :P  ::)

Dew,

We're working on it, It will not only get a "make over", it will get... new stuff ;). It's coming :).

Thanks and I appreciate you letting me know.  I will really try and be patient.   ;)

Well, I am glad to see progress on the website.

I am too. :D

Yes, I should hope everyone is, cause it's the bestest site in the world wide web, and it has the bestest people! :D

Well, I am excited about July 30th. I hope Shadows will be released by December. I understand why you cannot give a release date, you must run everything by Vivendi first. Shadows will be a most excelent Christmas present.

I'm looking forward to it.  :) And, I do hope Vivendi doesn't take too long when you submit the final piece of work.

I can't wait to play TSL! :)

Quote from: noaheugene20 on July 27, 2006, 07:27:14 AM
I can't wait to play TSL! :)

Me too! XD

Also, we will be announcing an update on progress during the Major Event (http://www.tsl-game.com/chat/) so don't forget to attend! :)

Well, the demo has been released with patch v.1.0.1.  The game is great so far even with the bugs that will be ironed out.  I think this team deserves a round of applause.  Hip, Hip Hooray -- Hip, Hip Hooray  ;D

Hehe thanks Dew. ;D

I wasn't able to fix all bugs, but I needed to fix at least the critical defects, and since I had time, I fixed a bunch of others too. XD

Any idea when the next update should be available or is it more  :suffer:

<grin>

The latter. :suffer:

XD

Well, it is now early October and 2006 draws to a close --- will The Silver Lining make it out for the holidays in 2007  (it would be a nice 2007 gift --- Christmas gift for me since I am a Christian)

Grettings,

I hope all is going well,

I don't know if any fan has any idea of what progress has been made over the last 3 months.

I don't think they have any clue of what tasks (major milestones) have to be completed before release of Shadows.  At least most of them.

I realize this project is not and should not be the highest priority in the lives of all involved in making this game.

Is it too difficult to give more frequent progress reports and a sort of major milestone list so fans can get an idea of where the project is at, and what needs to be done.

All the fans can micro-manage then :)

Just a thought.

We will be giving a progress update very soon, most likely this month or next.  Keep an eye on the Journal (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/journal/) and subscribe to the TSL Newsletter (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/newsletter/) if you haven't already. :)

In the mean time, we invite you to participate in other areas of the Forum.  The Off-Topic and Haven forums are the most active and entertaining. :)

Is there an update coming that tells fans where the development of shadows is at.

An update that discuss the best guess timeline for major milestones leading to a release.

I know it is not possible to give exact dates. 

I also know that unforeseen technical issues, changes in personal commitment, legal issues will disrupt a schedule.  When this happens, pass this information along to give us a feel for what is going on. 

:suffer: I don't really think they're legally allowed to disclose how close they are to beta testing. :-\

Even if they were, they probably wouldn't because VG has to take a look at it before they're allowed to release Shadows (as you addressed :)).   

If they can't discuss the status of the project, I was not aware of that.  I don't understand the reasoning behind it, but never mind that. 

If they can, I don't see why they wouldn't.  If they are just waiting on VG, that's big information in terms on what the status is.  There isn't any profit to be gained or lost on this project that would govern what type of information is released that competitors can get. It's a fan made game.

Of course I guess there could still be valuable business information VG is getting out of this and therefore they will control everything. 

Shadows could be years away for all we know.  I think lack of information is in part why activity in the forum is on a decline. :-[

Anyway, I do wish everyone involved in working on this project well.  If there is anyone still working on it.....


just kidding  :D

We are not legally entitled to discuss legal details but we can talk about pretty much anything else. The fact that we can't provide any solid date is because once it's done we somehow need a big fat "yes please go ahead" from those who really own the rights. Even though there isn't any profit involved we are within legal terms, and it doesn't matter if we are a fan game or not we are still under it.

The lack of information is not just because we are not in any place to provide any, but also the fact that it is December and it is always a dead month for all of us. If you expect us to be working full time even on 25th and 31st I believe it is as unrealistic as your real boss asking you to come in to work that day without paying you at all for that work. Just yesterday I got the leave of absence of almost 80% of my own team, and it is no joke. Sad to say I can't force anyone to do anything because I don't pay them, all I can say is that I am seriously thankful they do the work they do and that they even choose to come back next January to work for free with me. Imagine this same domino effect on Art, Programming and it goes on.

There is a lot of people working in this project and even though there hasn't been any major update or big event any moment in the last couple months doesn't mean production is dead. Far from it people has been working insanely hard to get things done within time and availability. I can honestly say this year has been crazy for the team because we have had people going away for real life issues as even troubles with our server company. Even though we have faced a lot of inconvenient that seriously slowed us down, we are still trying to do our best with what it is.

I am deeply sorry there hasn't been as many updates as people seem to crave for, but we are just being fair here for everyone. Personally I keep telling the Directors to come and post in the journal but most of them are even impossible to keep up by mail as it is, they are working so hard to get things working it's surreal. I simply can't just twist their arm for having them come here as knowing how limited their time is. I am aware the production is moving on fairly well, we did slow down big time for a lot of legal drama as well as random inconvenient events we never expected to have this year. I just can't wait to have some updates myself, but I simply can't just yet because there are some things that need to be taken care of before we give out a big announcement or I get ahead of myself and just promote it out. Remember we announce everything here first, so, whoever who is registered in the Newsletter should be able to get the news right in their inbox as it happens.

All I ask of you for now is patience, soon enough I will be able to give out much more information, but for the moment being this is as much as I can share with all of you. Thanks for the support everyone and Happy Holidays :).

Quote from: Say on December 06, 2006, 12:05:58 PM
We are not legally entitled to discuss legal details but we can talk about pretty much anything else. The fact that we can't provide any solid date is because once it's done we somehow need a big fat "yes please go ahead" from those who really own the rights. Even though there isn't any profit involved we are within legal terms, and it doesn't matter if we are a fan game or not we are still under it.

I understand, and I wouldn't ask the team for VG's status, only the work the team is doing.

Quote from: Say on December 06, 2006, 12:05:58 PM
The lack of information is not just because we are not in any place to provide any, but also the fact that it is December and it is always a dead month for all of us. If you expect us to be working full time even on 25th and 31st I believe it is as unrealistic as your real boss asking you to come in to work that day without paying you at all for that work. Just yesterday I got the leave of absence of almost 80% of my own team, and it is no joke. Sad to say I can't force anyone to do anything because I don't pay them, all I can say is that I am seriously thankful they do the work they do and that they even choose to come back next January to work for free with me. Imagine this same domino effect on Art, Programming and it goes on.

I don't expect anything. I know the hard work and sacrifice the team is going through.  I appreciate the work that the team does.  And if they choose to contiure to do the work, i will politly ask what their status is.  Worst case scenario is they don't want to tell me, but I know this is not the case. 

Quote from: Say on December 06, 2006, 12:05:58 PM
There is a lot of people working in this project and even though there hasn't been any major update or big event any moment in the last couple months doesn't mean production is dead. Far from it people has been working insanely hard to get things done within time and availability. I can honestly say this year has been crazy for the team because we have had people going away for real life issues as even troubles with our server company. Even though we have faced a lot of inconvenient that seriously slowed us down, we are still trying to do our best with what it is.

I believe you.

Quote from: Say on December 06, 2006, 12:05:58 PM
I am deeply sorry there hasn't been as many updates as people seem to crave for, but we are just being fair here for everyone. Personally I keep telling the Directors to come and post in the journal but most of them are even impossible to keep up by mail as it is, they are working so hard to get things working it's surreal. I simply can't just twist their arm for having them come here as knowing how limited their time is. I am aware the production is moving on fairly well, we did slow down big time for a lot of legal drama as well as random inconvenient events we never expected to have this year. I just can't wait to have some updates myself, but I simply can't just yet because there are some things that need to be taken care of before we give out a big announcement or I get ahead of myself and just promote it out. Remember we announce everything here first, so, whoever who is registered in the Newsletter should be able to get the news right in their inbox as it happens.

All I ask of you for now is patience, soon enough I will be able to give out much more information, but for the moment being this is as much as I can share with all of you. Thanks for the support everyone and Happy Holidays :).

I will be patient.  What I was asking for is probably something only the project director can provide.  Noting detailed.  Just a brief summary of what each team is doing and has left to do, VG's approval not included. 

I know what this is like.

As I see it, it's not forgone conclusion that shadow's will be released. Their can be difficult technical issues that can halt programming, legal issues that can take away the fan license, staffing problems, etc....



To me is looks like the journal entries would take time because they seem so polished and personable.  I wouldn't mind a short, to the point, not taking the a director longer than 5 min to give a brief summary of what is left to be done and how many months they hope to be completed if things go well.  When something major happens that changes the status, another 5 min update.

Anyway, you have done an unbelievable job so far.  We the fans are thankful for what you have done.  And I wish you happy holidays.

Quote from: rbadala on December 07, 2006, 10:49:12 AM

I will be patient.  What I was asking for is probably something only the project director can provide.  Noting detailed.  Just a brief summary of what each team is doing and has left to do, VG's approval not included. 

That is precisely a full progress report you are asking about, regardless of the legal status and the hard work, that is information we choose to keep private due time and everyone's sake. As a fan everyone is going to keep asking for things, as a team everyone just wants to keep things together and just get them done.

Quote from: rbadala on December 07, 2006, 10:49:12 AM

To me is looks like the journal entries would take time because they seem so polished and personable.  I wouldn't mind a short, to the point, not taking the a director longer than 5 min to give a brief summary of what is left to be done and how many months they hope to be completed if things go well.  When something major happens that changes the status, another 5 min update.

Sorry we don't do things like that, my main idea was to have updates monthly from whatever Director to provide as much information as they can, that is why I created the Journal to begin with. But in reality as I mentioned, I am just deeply glad they do they job and they give out as much time as they already do.


I am just being as honest as I can possibly be here in order to provide some peace of mind as well as much information as I am allowed to do so for the time being. I hope I have finally answered your questions and cleared out any comment pending :)

yes, thanks

Unfortunately Rbadala POS/TSL Has never really been in the habit of giving out progress reports as anybody here can attest to. We didn't even know about the demo's release until the week before.

Suffice as to say the status is "When it's done". I did ask during the big Demo release chat this summer if they would at least announce when they would submit it to VU and they said yes. (though there was a lot going on and that could have been to someone else's question.)

I know that's not what you want to hear but that's where things stand. They do know they are behind on the Journal and hopefully we will see something on that but most of their efforts right now are on game.

Yonkey, do you think the TSL part 1 will be done by christmas? I was wondering because ther hasn't been a journal entry in a month, nor have the forums been active lateley. Will you guys be able to get a new demo or small update anytime soon? Because I've been left in the dark about progress.  :)

I'm not Yonkey, but I'll venture to point you to the first thread in the fan feedback forum.  :)

This one? (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=5587.0)

or

This one? (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=3684.0) :P

I visit all the time yet I havent seen anything about progress for a long time.

So whats the update lol

Also, where on the website should i go when new information is available? Is the general forum the place to keep an eye on?

To get new information as it becomes available, your best shot is to sign upto the newsletter. Newsletters are usually released when big updates come etc.

You can also check out the journal (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/journal/). It has progress reports from various team members and gets new entries when people get the time to do a little update.

Jason is correct, also remember it's the holidays most of us are taking a time out.

And just to answer, yes, all directors are aware of absolutely everything that goes on outside the team and specially within our forum. And if they are not, I shall make sure they will :)

Quote from: William Wallace on December 13, 2006, 06:38:49 PM
I visit all the time yet I havent seen anything about progress for a long time.

So whats the update lol

Also, where on the website should i go when new information is available? Is the general forum the place to keep an eye on?

I can give you an update.  Chapter one won't be release for another year atleast, and the other chapters, probably never :(

These are just my opinions though I hope I'm wrong.  I was disappointed with the demo (bugs kept me from playing more than a few minutes at a time), and I figure it's a long way for them to go to get the full game finished.

Quote from: beernutts on December 21, 2006, 12:24:53 PM
These are just my opinions though I hope I'm wrong.  I was disappointed with the demo (bugs kept me from playing more than a few minutes at a time), and I figure it's a long way for them to go to get the full game finished.

Did you try installing the patch?

Quote from: Yonkey on December 21, 2006, 12:32:45 PM

Quote from: beernutts on December 21, 2006, 12:24:53 PM
These are just my opinions though I hope I'm wrong.  I was disappointed with the demo (bugs kept me from playing more than a few minutes at a time), and I figure it's a long way for them to go to get the full game finished.

Did you try installing the patch?

Patch didn't help any.  Thanks.

Quote from: beernutts on December 26, 2006, 07:26:21 AM

Quote from: Yonkey on December 21, 2006, 12:32:45 PM

Quote from: beernutts on December 21, 2006, 12:24:53 PM
These are just my opinions though I hope I'm wrong.  I was disappointed with the demo (bugs kept me from playing more than a few minutes at a time), and I figure it's a long way for them to go to get the full game finished.

Did you try installing the patch?

Patch didn't help any.  Thanks.

You know, you could ask questions and stuff in the Demo section of the forum and the team would help try to figure out what's going on...AND figure out what still needs work. One, to help you be able to play the game...and two, to fix the game so others can play it even better.

I just played the demo, and it was great. It brought back sooo many great memories. Everything that I saw that i thought should be fixed, was already mentioned. I cant wait till the actual game comes out. Keep up the good work! :)

Welcome to the forum! Glad that you liked the demo and I hope you decide to stick around! :D

Well, any idea if the demo will be expanded with the next update to the demo?  In addition, when will the next update to the demo be released?  Thanks for the replies.

I'm reasonably certain there aren't going to be more updates to the demo and that the next playable release will be the game itself.

Thanks!  Do you have any idea of a release date for the actual game yet?

I can't tell you.

Are you guys worried at all about the VU approval process?

I can't really answer that question for you, but I'll try and get someone in here who can. :D

That's actually a pretty tough question to answer.  We're not sure what kinds of modifications VU would ask us to make to the game, or if they'd even ask us to modify anything at all.  Their evaluation may be a simple check to ensure the reliability & security of the game (i.e. ensure it doesn't crash or contain any viruses/spyware), or it may be elaborate.

So, until we receive specific feedback from VU about the game and examine their impact, there's no use in worrying over it right now.


EDIT: Spelling.

More than a technical evaluation (because so far VU is not involved in production and will not be), it is just for them to be able to supervise final product just in case we decided to make Graham a Pimp wannabe with a leather hat or show Rosella with a huge cleavage  smoking in the middle of the street and all that (and before people start quoting me and freaking out for nothing, this is just a joke made example. I'm pretty sure you get the point by now). In the end it is fairly reasonable due to we are only working with what belongs to them by law.

I am probably in a minority, but from what I have seen over the last couple of years.  I would venture to what I believe to be a reasonable guess is that staffing and technical problems are a far greater threat to this game ever being produced than VU.

Has anything been accomplished in the last half a year?  We don't know that it hasn't, but we "the KQ fans" don't know that it has either.

 I tend to agree with the first part. Since nobody is getting paid and the budget is 0 getting people to work on the project is probably a bigger potential problem than VU, since now that they have granted approval I doubt they will really get in the way. :)

But I doubt that nobody is working on it. They came out with a demo, and anyway why bother lying? Nor can you really expect every programming and development step to be made public.  It is probably coming out slower than first hoped. That's common enough even in paid companies, like the latest version of windows.  Still that does not mean nothing is happening at all. ;)

VU has never been a threat per se, it is the legal owner of the IP. And yes, believe it or not staff is what makes the technical side of this so they do relate big time and it is not a "threat" it is the core of what this whole project is about. But let's be honest, what can you demand out of a group of people that works for free for over 40 hours a week? They work at their pace and within the reals of their own possibility. Again, it is not a threat, it is pretty much what it is made of. Every single license, every single hosting/domain, legal affairs, etc. It has been paid by those same folks, sadly we cannot afford working on this 24/7 and/or afford better things to work with than just our home PC's but also equipment that will help us produce something in the lines of Final Fantasy or whatnot. We can only dream about that.

Some people tend to understand different I guess because they seem to forget what kind of people is working on this. We are all professionals who do this for a living (production, animation, marketing, programming, etc) so we do try to somehow shape it up the best we can and organize it as much as possible. But sadly we cannot afford more than what we do, time and money speaking. Therefore delays and perhaps not the best of quality, long ass legal dead times, staff that comes and goes and you can pretty much name it.

I understand you have got no idea what is behind the courtains, and to be honest at first it was a wish brought from the Project Leaders, now it is just a reasonable standard to keep things in order (legally and production wise). What has been accomplished during the last year has been quite more than what we thought it would eventually be (VU situation and all) and yet not enough (not being able to just launch the game as it is right now). I know everyone wants a full progress report every now and then, and demand to know progress status and percentages and whatever else. Then it would be people complaining about it and asking for more, it always is and it always has been through the years. Needless to say, I will have the Directors post as much as they feel like it when the time comes, for now I refuse to get ahead of myself here just to prove a point. The demo was shorted out so we wouldn't give out much before the release of the game but that demo wasn't created out of thin air as some would like to believe, it was actually launched so fans could get a silly glance of what was going on behind this website but apparently, yet again, just wasn't a date to point down in a calendar.

I do apologize for the time being, but there isn't pretty much we can do without just releasing the game for everyone to understand and just finally have what they crave for.

I will keep you posted.

Agreed. And in your opinion, had the announcement of this game been pushed back and all the website/screen shots/etc not been needed (although as nice as they are) how much closer would the team be to completion? Unfortunately all of those things take time away from production. Although realistically I'm sure the team is living it up everytime the game is mentioned on other news outlets & websites.   :D

The release of promotional material is done by the PR department, which is separate from the other departments.  So, development would not complete any sooner without the material.  However, the promotional material also helps the team stay motivated during production, so if anything, it brings the game closer to completion. :)

Good point. Either way, I wish you guys all the luck, and I'll continue to watch the site

Well I've never really had any doubt that the team would get it done. And I didn't really fear VU would completely stop the game (anymore at least). I've just noticed that is often mentioned that they would have the final say in when it was released because of their approval process, but I never really saw it explained. So I was just curious of the team's personal thoughts on the matter, and if it was something that they were worried about at all other than what comes from not knowing exactly what it consist of.

I feel better now knowing that they aren't seriously worried about it. And I really feel good that if they did want changes it would most likely be with the technical aspects rather than something that was part of the teams creative vision.

So thanks for your thoughts and all your hard work. I know it's been quite a journey so far to make this happen, and that's just from the outside looking in. I can only imagine to what it has really been like. And yet it is still not over, so I wish you guys the best of luck, and again thank you for what you're doing.

It's a double-edged sword. The biggest cost of not publicizing the project early would have been that we'd have missed out on attracting a lot of great talent to the team, and then we'd be nowhere near as far into development as we are now. On top of that, this game is an attempt to make a wish come true, our wish to have that old Sierra magic one more time like it was brand new. That's my wish, that's the wish of the whole team, and because it's the dream of a whole community we had to share that. Frankly, the memories of these forums and interacting with fellow fans are going to be the ones that stick with us.

I understand your anxiety, but anything I could really say to ease that anxiety right now would reveal too much and would lead to Say writing me a stern letter about my error....in my own blood.

Ha ha ha, point well taken.

I'm starting to notice that most of the forum is inactive do to the lack of updates to this site, if they don't start updating even by a little bit soon..... I don't even want to think what could happen. Most people are totally negelecting this site and i personally don't blame them there hasn't been a single update in like how long has it been now.... oh at least 5 months.  Sorry about complaining tho even i myself is negelecting to watch this site. So my point is .... im fallllllinng a a a [getting tired] oh asleep. :Snore:  :zzz:

when is the game going to be released and what is taking so long?

welcome duddeyduck! I don't know when the game is going to be released, but I do know that it takes a lot of time to make a full-sized game as great as they're making it :)  

Quote from: noaheugene20 on February 02, 2007, 08:39:28 PM
I'm starting to notice that most of the forum is inactive do to the lack of updates to this site, if they don't start updating even by a little bit soon..... I don't even want to think what could happen. Most people are totally negelecting this site and i personally don't blame them there hasn't been a single update in like how long has it been now.... oh at least 5 months.  Sorry about complaining tho even i myself is negelecting to watch this site. So my point is .... im fallllllinng a a a [getting tired] oh asleep. :Snore:  :zzz:

It's only relatively inactive because I'm not on the forum more often. ;)

When is the full version coming out!?!?!?! ??? ???

We haven't made an announcement on that yet. If it's inconvenient to check the site regularly for news, you can sign up for the TSL Newsletter (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/newsletter/) to receive such announcements.

Any new information as to when The Silver Lining will be released or is that still up in the air?

Well after waiting another 1-2months+ ive almost lost all hope on this. Srry KQ fans it looks like we cant git a single update from this site, nor do we have slightest idea whats going on. It looks like this project is either dead or slower than SQ4 sea slug, personelly i really was dissapointed. And worse yet somwon started a site and claims u guys r jus doing this as a joke and project is fake. what a shame...
*shakes head*  :gossip: :no:

Can I get a link to this site that is claiming that the TSL project is a joke?

I am curious to see what has been said. :)

Quote from: noaheugene20 on April 16, 2007, 04:31:59 PM
Well after waiting another 1-2months+ ive almost lost all hope on this. Srry KQ fans it looks like we cant git a single update from this site, nor do we have slightest idea whats going on. It looks like this project is either dead or slower than SQ4 sea slug, personelly i really was dissapointed. And worse yet somwon started a site and claims u guys r jus doing this as a joke and project is fake. what a shame...
*shakes head*  :gossip: :no:

Don't lose hope! If you really cared, you wouldn't say that. It will happen, and soon, too, I can feel it! Once you start up the game you'll see that it's all worth it! (I also would like to see the site claiming that.)

Quote from: racx_00 on April 16, 2007, 07:48:06 PM
Can I get a link to this site that is claiming that the TSL project is a joke?

I am curious to see what has been said. :)

*dittos what Jason said* :)

I would love to see this site as well.  It sounds unbelievably accurate. :)

I know having an updated demo with new material could take away from the project being released but I think it would help to give the fans more hope that The Silver Lining is indeed making progress.

I also would like to know what this site is, so that I may leave it hopping with frogs.

Here's the website somwon already apparently doesn't like TSL. I like the project but don't have hope in it but this guy Hates it.
www.freewebs.com/5887  I fear the worst for u guys. I hope this guy doesn't stop u. :'(

lol, anyone else find this funny?

I think my paycheque from "vinvidi" got lost in the mail. :-\ ::)

Uh wow. That's a well designed site, if it were 1995.  :suffer:

I just wish the person had enough guts to say who they are rather than mask their identity.

I agree. Its kinda creepy, and shocked me when i found it. Well looks like TSL hasa a actual enemy aside from Yonkey and his "TSL Riffic Giant Suffers" rofl  XB Anyways any ideas to who the person is?  ???

Someone who has no knowledge of grammar and spelling? :P

Ya, but who has horrible grammar and spelling on the forums?
And who are the Anti TSL followers? Even if the culprit does spell and do grammar bad he could disguise it with spelling check. Rumor has it he's spying on people including Yonkey on the forums.  :)

PS: Look in the guest book of his site it is really creepy. I read a conversation between him one of his followers!

And who is this person? You seem to know quite a bit :)

Cool!  Noah's gonna spy on me! XD  Oops, I mean the site creator. :)

I had nothing to do with that site. Just because I found it doesn't mean I created it.  :)

Quote from: noaheugene20 on April 18, 2007, 05:43:34 AM
I had nothing to do with that site. Just because I found it doesn't mean I created it.  :)

You have the same IP address as the ringleader.

 While I am staying out of this for the moment, I have to point out the two numbers are not identical, the last three digits are different on my screen. ;P Since I know nothing of IP addresses or what they signify, I have no idea if that means anything. :P 

that's just a secure IP thing... I'm in a similar boat... I don't know much about IP issues either... but I do recognize that the Anti-TSL sight truncates the last three digits and throws up an x to mark that. The rest of the numbers match... but exactly what that signifies I don't know (I expect it is significant as the box IPs at home are separated by the addition of 1 to each number (ie. stuff.101, stuff.102, stuff.103 etc.)... I think it's something like ISP and client stuff)...

...anyway... *shrugs* I'll just stay over in the corner  :zzz: and let you guys handle this.  :yes:

The x is there to protect the full IP from being shown, but since the other three octets match exactly, chances are it matches.  The first three represent the country, ISP, city and sometimes neighbourhood.

There still isn't enough proof becasuse the last few numbers are blocked. So somwon in my neighbor hood probable started it. But I swear I did not start that site. Besides its not that hard to change IP adresess, he could've seen me talking about his site and decided to use my ISP and frame me. And if you think I'm lying you could start a vote thread for people to vote on wheather I started the site or not. So I'n conlclusion I will not admit to starting the site or my other answer may be  :suffer:. 

Sorry, but the spelling on the website is killing me.

You can't just change an IP address, that's upto your ISP to do...

We're not going to stoop as low as to make a poll about whether you created the site or not, that is your own choice just like the foul language that is used on the site.

Well, my question was ignored entirely about the possibility of making an updated demo to give the fans more hope in the progress of the game even if it delays the game some more.

:(

Sorry about that Dew! I'm not really sure myself, but I doubt there is a possiblity of an updated demo. :-\

Yeah, I know because Neil has mentioned how unlikely another demo is but I certainly think it would help quiet the naysayers for a while and encourage the fans of the project.  I certainly for one would be happy.

;)

Quote from: racx_00 on April 18, 2007, 06:28:33 PM

We're not going to stoop as low as to make a poll about whether you created the site or not, that is your own choice just like the foul language that is used on the site.

Indeed, anyone convinced by that interesting display of grammares, sllepzing and general illogic is the kind of person whose support you are probably better off without. ;P Though I am not killed by the spelling so much as the logic, I mean, VU wants to kill adventure games to boost sales? XD XD  And so they decide to create a faux adventure game?? XD XD XD Sorry to harp on this travesty, but I am quite amused that anyone can say this with a straight face, so to speak.   

Quote from: dew7 on April 18, 2007, 11:23:39 PM
Yeah, I know because Neil has mentioned how unlikely another demo is but I certainly think it would help quiet the naysayers for a while and encourage the fans of the project.  I certainly for one would be happy.

;)

While I would not protest, since a new demo would have to be made from scratch it might take away time better spent on the game. They could release another part of the game maybe, though then they would end up releasing Shadows in installments.  ;P

Quote from: Yonkey on April 17, 2007, 03:29:33 PM
I think my paycheque from "vinvidi" got lost in the mail. :-\ ::)

Vinvedi Veci

Quote from: Petra Rocks on April 19, 2007, 07:26:45 AM

Quote from: racx_00 on April 18, 2007, 06:28:33 PM

We're not going to stoop as low as to make a poll about whether you created the site or not, that is your own choice just like the foul language that is used on the site.

Indeed, anyone convinced by that interesting display of grammares, sllepzing and general illogic is the kind of person whose support you are probably better off without. ;P Though I am not killed by the spelling so much as the logic, I mean, VU wants to kill adventure games to boost sales? XD XD  And so they decide to create a faux adventure game?? XD XD XD Sorry to harp on this travesty, but I am quite amused that anyone can say this with a straight face, so to speak.   

Quote from: dew7 on April 18, 2007, 11:23:39 PM
Yeah, I know because Neil has mentioned how unlikely another demo is but I certainly think it would help quiet the naysayers for a while and encourage the fans of the project.  I certainly for one would be happy.

;)

While I would not protest, since a new demo would have to be made from scratch it might take away time better spent on the game. They could release another part of the game maybe, though then they would end up releasing Shadows in installments.  ;P

It would be better to have Shadows released in installments then before everyone loses interest due to the amount of time this project will take --- right. 
;)

 Actually, now that you mention it, yes. XD I do not know much about the technical side of it and if it would take more, less or the same effort to make bits you could release a bit at a time rather than big chunks, but I do not need a degree in psychology to see the advantages in the morale of both fans and the team that would cause. :)

Exactly and in addition the fans would be able to make comments as to if the game is compatible on their computers and what the fans think would make the game even more exciting.  I think even if a chapter or two a year could be released then that would be fantastic.

I'm actually hoping TSL doesn't come out until summer... XD

I want the first chapter in its highest possible quality all at once, and I want time to play it! XD

Just my two cents. :D

Quote from: noaheugene20 on April 18, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
There still isn't enough proof becasuse the last few numbers are blocked. So somwon in my neighbor hood probable started it. But I swear I did not start that site. Besides its not that hard to change IP adresess, he could've seen me talking about his site and decided to use my ISP and frame me. And if you think I'm lying you could start a vote thread for people to vote on wheather I started the site or not. So I'n conlclusion I will not admit to starting the site or my other answer may be  :suffer:. 

And please, don't even try. You make more of a jerk of yourself by denying it.

LOL!!

You really think TSL (even part 1 Shadows) will be ready by summer.  No offense but I will be really surprised if that is the case and I am beginning to think that my previous estimate of Christmas 2007 was way too early.  Maybe more like 2015 --- sorry about my cynicism -- I just am now really skeptical to the release date since the team is so busy with their lives and this project is done in their spare time.  That is why I thought that releasing the game in small segments would help motivate the fan base and help keep hecklers of the project at bay.

It would have to sit with Vivendi first I'd imagine. Also, getting each little segment looked over by Vivendi before releasing it could be even more time consuming. XD

Okay, so it may end up being more time consuming but at least the fans could see actual progress and I think it would sit fine with Vivendi.  Racx I think you and many others would prefer to see that the team is actually making lots of progress rather than just hearing about it from time to time in the journals.

Quote from: dew7 on April 20, 2007, 06:26:06 PM
Racx I think you and many others would prefer to see that the team is actually making lots of progress rather than just hearing about it from time to time in the journals.

You forget, he's part of the team ;) :P

Quote from: koko_99_2001 on April 20, 2007, 06:50:59 PM

Quote from: dew7 on April 20, 2007, 06:26:06 PM
Racx I think you and many others would prefer to see that the team is actually making lots of progress rather than just hearing about it from time to time in the journals.

You forget, he's part of the team ;) :P

Hehehe. Exactly. :P

I did forget.   :o

Anyway, I still would like to see segments of the game especially if development is likely to take 10+ years from today.

;)

Quote from: noaheugene20 on April 18, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
There still isn't enough proof becasuse the last few numbers are blocked. So somwon in my neighbor hood probable started it. But I swear I did not start that site. Besides its not that hard to change IP adresess, he could've seen me talking about his site and decided to use my ISP and frame me. And if you think I'm lying you could start a vote thread for people to vote on wheather I started the site or not. So I'n conlclusion I will not admit to starting the site or my other answer may be  :suffer:. 

So busted.  It was really funny, you're "website."  I know this is a real project, but it's just a real project that will probably never be finished.

Maybe once it's been decided the project won't be fully released, POS will release what they have, bugs and all.

I still am puzzled as to why POS is not willing to release segments of TSL project (break the chapters into parts) to encourage fans and people could even beta test these segments and report back their findings.  The answers so far are unsatisfactory to me.

???

Quote from: beernutts on April 25, 2007, 12:48:42 PM
Maybe once it's been decided the project won't be fully released, POS will release what they have, bugs and all.

Beernuts always amuses me <3

We've gone from a website without updates to a website without spell check.  At least the other one has a grammar Nazi trolling the guestbook.

I'll be the official progress reporter...ready...

...wait for it....

...<hidden>percent done</hidden>

...Enjoy.

LOL!!

5 percent done -- no only 3 percent ---  :P

Comeon now Silver Lining team. What is going on?  I mean come on. I've played your demo for Shadows and I was amazed playing it. I loved it dearly. It make me feel happy and at home like I was playing Kings Quest VI refreshed.

So, my question is how much longer is this going to take? At least the first part. 1-2 years. Comeon at least give a rough estimate. I am dying here. I can wait for the other two parts at a later date.

What I want is simple: Part one just to tide me over and enjoy. Thats it,

Thanks for taking the time out to read this.

Good luck.

Shalkar.

Trust me, you're not the only one that wants part one completed and released.  We will announce when the game is close to release, however the exact date is dependant on when Vivendi gives their approval.  Please see this thread (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=3583.0) for further information.

Quote from: Shalkar on May 18, 2007, 11:11:31 PM
So, my question is how much longer is this going to take? At least the first part. 1-2 years. Come on at least give a rough estimate. I am dying here. I can wait for the other two parts at a later date.

What I want is simple: Part one just to tide me over and enjoy.

Although, after about a year of the first part coming out, people will be back at the start, asking "When will part 2 be released?" I think it is best just to let the team work on each part until it is up to their standards before releasing it, and everyone will be better of for it.

Agreed.  ;D

Quote from: Yonkey on May 19, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
Trust me, you're not the only one that wants part one completed and released.  We will announce when the game is close to release, however the exact date is dependant on when Vivendi gives their approval.  Please see this thread (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=3583.0) for further information.

Why must Vivendi give again their approval ??

Because they only saw the demo, which only represents roughly 5% of Shadows.

That answers my question. (Which is going to take an eternity to APPROVE the game) meaning they may forgot about it. Oh well. It was nice looking foward to an awesome Kings Quest Adventure.

I feel sad because I felt like I reexpierenced Kings Quest IX at a whole new level. I was even hoping to have some of the characters like the 5 gnomes. Now that would be interesting... Sigh,,,

Vivendi had to stick their nose where it didn't need to be. Well, thats about it.

Shalkar

Quote from: Yonkey on May 30, 2007, 04:02:50 PM
Because they only saw the demo, which only represents roughly 5% of Shadows.

That really doesn't answer my question. They already have given the go-ahead for you guys, so why do they have to give it again ??

Quote from: Shalkar on May 30, 2007, 10:07:43 PM
That answers my question. (Which is going to take an eternity to APPROVE the game) meaning they may forgot about it. Oh well. It was nice looking foward to an awesome Kings Quest Adventure.

Well said . . .

Vivendi has given us permission to continue production on the game, but they will then review the content of the game before we can release each part. Hopefully all this means is that they're making sure we're not doing something along the lines of "Quest for Glory 4 1/2"

Heh yeah. Quest for Glory IV 1/2 was one messed up game.

Quote from: TribeHasSpoken on May 31, 2007, 02:06:15 AM
Vivendi has given us permission to continue production on the game, but they will then review the content of the game before we can release each part. Hopefully all this means is that they're making sure we're not doing something along the lines of "Quest for Glory 4 1/2"

Makes sense, though I've never heared of QfG 4,5 . . .

It has an obscene amount of foul language and sexual content. It's more of a parody than a real game.

It's been awhile since I've been on this website. It sure looks like I didn't miss much except for the usual suffer from Yonkey and "when it's done it'll be released. I'm out of patience i declare this TSL project dead. You may ask why well there hasn't been a journal entry for awhile, the most recent one didn't tell me much. Heck this site looks exactly like it did 1 year ago except for minor updates. I mean comon everyone wants an answer to what is going on. I also am thinking it is odd as to why Vinvidi has to look at the game again.
Well TSL team good job naming part two eternity because thats how long part one will take. Anyways we are very mad about this. I'm worried as to if I'll ever see Graham again. I'm very suspicous about whats been going on. :pokerface:

No offence intended, but POS "owes" us nothing. :P You have very little right to be incensed.

Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 01, 2007, 06:52:41 PM
Anyways we are very mad about this.

We meaning you.... and your hair? :P

Either way, I'll tell you what I tell my brother when they start whining too much at the dinner table. Be good, or I'll start reading out loud from one of my brick-sized history books.  :suffer:

Quote from: Petra Rocks on June 02, 2007, 06:02:40 AM
Be good, or I'll start reading out loud from one of my brick-sized history books.  :suffer:

lol, actually, in my family, that wouldn't be a bad thing! XD We all enjoy history!

Anyway, Noah, no worries. Things are trucking along with the game. Of course, words of encouragement are always more well received than words of complaint :)

 I have no complaint against the team and wish them well, though I do not share the more dedicated fans certainty the game will get done through part 3. It has been at least 3 years since work on part 1 began, and may be 4 before it is released. If it takes as long to make parts 2 and 3 that's 8 years after part 1's release. A lot can change in that much time. Kelsey will be most or all of the way through college, Cat and Say will be mothers more likely than not, heck, I'll be married in all probability. XD  Who can say what new people will join and what old ones have to leave? Anyway, I will go on expecting only what happens. :)

One would think that POS would hear the complaints from fans and try to at least reassure them with something real, rather than unleash the forum moderator watch dogs. I'm sorry, but POS is a joke. Anyone else know what POS really stands for? (Piece of....)

Anyway, feel free to tell me what a horrible fan I am. But I agree totally with PirateKingChris.  TSL is dead. Good job team

Btw, PirateKingChris said nothing along such lines. It's Noaheugene who is so sure it's dead. ;)

And why is it that all of the sudden so many people keep coming out of the woodwork and declaring TSL a complete hoax? I understand the point that we've been promised something, and if we don't get it, we have something to be upset about. On the other hand, I also understand that this is NOT the team's day job. ;P I mean, how many fan projects have you ever seen that got this far? You might say that this just proves how people can be so into something, and then give up. The problem with that logic is, POS is in waaaaaay too far to give up now. :P Even if they wanted to stop (which I know they don't,) they couldn't. Too much has been done not to see it through. Too much energy has been built up. Maybe for some of you, it's dwindling, but I find it alive and well. And when you think about it, LOOK at the team page. Look at how many people there are. When it's only a group of 3 or 4 friends, you can see how easy it is to go "This isn't fun anymore. Let's go play soccer," but when it's a team of this magnitude, they aren't just going to let it go. They haven't just stopped assigning tasks. They haven't stopped working. Fine, maybe this will take a while. Does it matter? Does your life depend on seeing Shadows before the year's out? ;P And, no offense to Petra, but I think estimating that it will take the same amount of time to make the other two parts as it did Shadows is just a bit unrealistic. ;) So many things will be able to be reused, and now that they KNOW what they're doing, it'll be MUCH easier to apply it to another part.

Summed up, TSL is NOT a hoax. POS has NOT stopped making the game. It WILL come out. If you're upset it's taking too long, then go. Make your own. Tell us how that turns out. Honestly, I'd wish you the best of luck.

Truly, we're all here because we love KQ and we want to see a sequel. I don't understand why so many people are joining just to be so antagonistic. It's not going to make the game come out faster. It's not going to get updates. It's not going to convince everyone you're right. The only reason I can see is stress relief, and honestly, if you have so much stress you're taking it out on a group of KQ fans that are trying to make a game to give a fitting end to a series we care about, then I'm not quite sure what to say about you. If you think the game is taking too long, then sign up for the newsletter and get on with your life. The newsletter will tell you when it's done, mkay? If you're here to socialize with other fans of KQ or TSL, then have fun. We've got a great group of people here. If you're here to troll, you're better off going somewhere else.

Well I'm certaintly not trolling anyone. I was only expressing my opinion of what me and other people left in the dark about the project feel. I still can't get over the fact that this project started 5 years ago and all the team got done was 5% [at least I'm assuming that because thats how much portion the demo is of one of the three parts of TSL] and a measly demo. Sounds to me like somthing fishy is going on around here. I don't know whats going on at all with the project. Heck I checked gamespot a couple a months ago and it said you guys cancelled the project. Anyways I understand back in 2005 the TSL team was delayed 3 months due to a cease order. But still very fissshhy. If anyone agrees with me let me know. ::)

What's fishy about it? They aren't some big name company that gets paid to do this, they're working on it in their spare time. It's not like they can devote every waking hour to working on the game, or updating the site.
If you really want an update, just sign up for the newsletter thing and let the updates come to YOU, instead of coming around every week to check.
You can just go on with your life, maybe play OTHER games (Suprise! They actually DO exist :P ), and when they're ready, they'll post an update and notify you. It makes for less stress for everybody.

Personally, I've never checked the main site for updates. Why bother if you can just get an update right in your inbox? :P
Even if it's not frequent, it's better then driving yourself crazy by checking all the time.

Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 02, 2007, 11:05:37 AM
Well I'm certaintly not trolling anyone. I was only expressing my opinion of what me and other people left in the dark about the project feel. I still can't get over the fact that this project started 5 years ago and all the team got done was 5% [at least I'm assuming that because thats how much portion the demo is of one of the three parts of TSL] and a measly demo. Sounds to me like somthing fishy is going on around here. I don't know whats going on at all with the project. Heck I checked gamespot a couple a months ago and it said you guys cancelled the project. Anyways I understand back in 2005 the TSL team was delayed 3 months due to a cease order. But still very fissshhy. If anyone agrees with me let me know. ::)

Left in the dark? You act like the other fans have any more info than you do. :P The only thing we have is knowledge of what kinds of people are on the team. We know they aren't the no good slackers you seem to think they are. ;) And yes, Gamespot says they're canceled. This is likely because POS got a lot of publicity from the shut down and Gamespot didn't bother to check up with a fan game. Don't you think they have better things to do? :P And honestly, do you think POS would go around telling game websites they're closed if they really had stopped and didn't want anyone to know? ;P The most reliable place to find TSL info is right here. And why would you think only 5% of the game is done, just because that's all you've seen? What about the entire media section? What about the fact that we KNOW they aren't showing us everything they have done? ;P Just because you cannot see it doesn't mean you can't believe it! ::) What could you possibly think is going on? The only thing I can see is that you think the team has stopped production, and they haven't. So what is your argument?

If I was half as smart as my father I would save myself time and possibly angst by leaving this alone. :P But sons are seldom as great men as their fathers, as Homer observed.

Anyway, I am familiar many freeware projects, though only one as large as this. It is not completed or canceled. 

But Kelsey, I suspect you misunderstand the source of these complaints.  I am seeing much complaining about the lack of progress information, updates and the like. People do not want to be told things are being worked on, they have heard that for years, so far with scant results.  They want to see it.  Having the team take time to tell them to shut up instead of telling them something about the game is not really helping. These demands are not very logical, but then humans seldom are.

If releasing some screenshots and estimates would really calm things I don't know. 0 AD releases a lot more about the game than POS, and they have a lot fewer complaints and practically no nasty ones, but then they have a lot fewer people on their forum, so who knows? :P

So anyway I just rambled and probably didn't say anything important. Oh well, it's Saterday, I guess I can waste 15 minutes. XD

And Noah, if you want my honest opinion of your ideas, they are crazy. :P While I briefly wondered if Yonkey and Raf was possessed by beings from another planet an one point, I saw that the pointy ears came off. :angel:  ;)

Yeah jeez, don't put me in the "I think TSL is dead" club. I certainly don't want to be a card carrying member. And it will take me several years of waiting(and maybe I'll never give up) before I give up as I've only been here since March.  :P

I'm not mad about people thinking my idea is crazy I just think they should have a journal update at least once every two months. Heck It could say that you guys are doing okay on the project and stuff. Is that a lot to ask for? ??? :)

If you are just asking for project reports I am not hostile, nor do I think it crazy. Actually, enough people have been getting frustrated recently I might think it wise. I don't know how long it takes to get a PR person to put something together but if it is not that long, it seems worth it to placate the seemingly growing section of the fanbase that is feeling ignored and bored.

What is crazy is talking about how it is 'fishy' or implying POS somehow has bad intentions. That's at best improbable. :P

Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 01, 2007, 06:52:41 PM
I'm worried as to if I'll ever see Graham again.

If you really wanna see Graham in a new game, you could always make your own KQ game...

Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 02, 2007, 03:04:12 PM
I'm not mad about people thinking my idea is crazy I just think they should have a journal update at least once every two months. Heck It could say that you guys are doing okay on the project and stuff. Is that a lot to ask for? ??? :)

Well, technically, we have been saying that the team is doing ok and the project and stuff. We've been saying that throughout this thread and everytime someone questions us about the game. ;)

There's usually something released annually anyway. :) The amount of time that passes between updates is no longer than it was last year or the year before (when there was little doubt AFAIK, that Shadows would eventually see the light of day), there's hardly a need to lose hope in the project solely because another year has passed and you've seen nothing so far. There's plenty of time yet for there to be an update, and even if there's not it hardly signals the project's cancellation.

Well, at least I haven't missed too much in my absence. If oodles of awesome had been happening while I was pulling weeks of scanning all-nighters, I would have been exhausted AND miffed.
But, anyway. Yours truly hasn't lost faith. God knows these things take time. I'll be around, should anything suddenly appear. As if by magic. Hint.  ::)

QuoteTruly, we're all here because we love KQ and we want to see a sequel. I don't understand why so many people are joining just to be so antagonistic. It's not going to make the game come out faster. It's not going to get updates. It's not going to convince everyone you're right. The only reason I can see is stress relief, and honestly, if you have so much stress you're taking it out on a group of KQ fans that are trying to make a game to give a fitting end to a series we care about, then I'm not quite sure what to say about you. If you think the game is taking too long, then sign up for the newsletter and get on with your life. The newsletter will tell you when it's done, mkay? If you're here to socialize with other fans of KQ or TSL, then have fun. We've got a great group of people here. If you're here to troll, you're better off going somewhere else.

This is the "Fan Feedback" section, where we are told to share our assessments of the team's progress thus far. If we happen to have a negative opinion of said progress, I think we should be allowed to express it without being told we're being antagonistic and trolling. Just because a person doesn't like something doesn't mean they're saying so to be a jackass. It's offensive to be told that my opinion is somehow less worthy of expression because I'm not praising something, and just because you weren't addressing me personally doesn't mean the sentiment didn't apply.

Well as long as we're expressing opinions, I think this thread ought to be closed.

I think closing a thread because people are disagreeing is a horrible idea.

This is futile. POS will release something when they're ready and they know fans are getting fed up by the lack of progress reports. There's little else the fans (fed up or otherwise) can do and letting this die might just be easiest.

Quote from: NemelChelovek on June 04, 2007, 10:11:47 PM
This is the "Fan Feedback" section, where we are told to share our assessments of the team's progress thus far. If we happen to have a negative opinion of said progress, I think we should be allowed to express it without being told we're being antagonistic and trolling. Just because a person doesn't like something doesn't mean they're saying so to be a jackass. It's offensive to be told that my opinion is somehow less worthy of expression because I'm not praising something, and just because you weren't addressing me personally doesn't mean the sentiment didn't apply.

Yes, "Fan Feedback." Someone signing up and then coming straight here to bag it doesn't exactly seem like a fan. I understand that alot of people lurk, but seriously if you sign up and then come here to bag, you're gonna get misinterpreted as trolling. Someone who has been signed up for a while and has posted once or twice, or checks every now and then, I'd say is a fan that can definitely express their negative opinions, without being accused of trolling. But otherwise yes, it does come across as trolling, even if the person doesn't mean to troll.

Closing threads is a waste of time. People will open new ones. It has happened before, several threads have been closed over this already.  The only way to silence such thoughts is to ban the people saying them and prohibit the subject from being broached, like you have politics. I don't particularly recommend it, but that is the only way to end this debate.

I realize that I was too harsh in my last post (I'm not gonna quote it), and I apologize. I just get frustrated reading these forums (and telling me to stop reading them isn't gonna work).  I'm usually a pasive reader. I've been registered for almost a year and what, this is my 15th post? And I'm sorry if I have other things to do than continually post in these forums.

But take a break guys! Why in the world, when someone simply asks for a few more updates, would you say:

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If you think the game is taking too long, then sign up for the newsletter and get on with your life. The newsletter will tell you when it's done, mkay?.

I mean, are you serious? Fans want updates, and you tell them to sign up for the newsletter and then forget about the website? I apologize for blaspheming against the great POS. Excommunicate me guess. All we want is a few updates now and then. Yes, we understand that the pattern is an update every year or so. If we were ok with that, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. You guys want the fans opinions as long as they are praising you and saying how wonderful you are for taking time away from spending with your dear sweet family and friends, but as soon as we see something that maybe could use some improvement the forums get closed.

The unfortunate thing is that both "sides" now feel that they have to defend themselves, when really we should all be working together, trying to build the fan base's CONTINUED interest in the project.

Go ahead, accuse me of trolling. I could just as easily accuse you of having no life and not seeing sunlight in who knows how long. BUT, I'm not going to :)  Theres too little time in life to get upset over a Kings Quest sequel.

EDIT: I should mention that I realize that POS owes us nothing. This isn't their fultime job or anything, and I understand that. But it can't be that hard for a programmer to hit the Print Screen button and send the images to the Web Guys once in a while, right?

QuoteYes, "Fan Feedback." Someone signing up and then coming straight here to bag it doesn't exactly seem like a fan. I understand that alot of people lurk, but seriously if you sign up and then come here to bag, you're gonna get misinterpreted as trolling. Someone who has been signed up for a while and has posted once or twice, or checks every now and then, I'd say is a fan that can definitely express their negative opinions, without being accused of trolling. But otherwise yes, it does come across as trolling, even if the person doesn't mean to troll.

I signed up about a year ago to ask about a song from the "Making of" video that turned out to be "The Day You Were Gone." When this discussion came along, I figured I already had an account and I had an opinion on the subject, so why not contribute?

Just because you post on a message board about something doesn't mean you are or aren't a fan. If someone has been checking the site, following the project's progress, etc, but never had anything to say about it until they felt something negative, they're still fans. Anyone has a right to express a negative opinion, not just someone who's had a forums account for a while.

And you can be a fan and have a negative opinion about something related to the subject of your fandom. I'm a Stephen King fan, but I absolutely hated "Cell." Saying so doesn't disqualify me somehow. In the same vein, I'm a King's Quest fan who has been looking forward to this game, and yet I have a negative opinion on the way it's being handled.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether it's negative or not.  As long as your opinion is expressed in a non-offensive manner (i.e. no personal attacks), you are free to speak it. 

However, this issue in particular is one that has been going on for years.  From as far back as I can remember, fans have always been wanting "more", regardless of how much we release.  We've done monthly updates and even weekly updates at one point, but still people complained because they weren't getting enough (more specifically, they weren't getting exactly what they want).  There is no difference between then and now.

Yes, we (i.e. both fans and staff) would all wish the game was completed yesterday, but in reality, things take time and require patience.  Our priority is not on continually posting screenshots or revealing massive spoilers about the game.  It has never been.  The only time we do release such things are during special occasions and events. 

Our priority right now is on finishing the game.  We will (as we always have) release information/media/dates when we decide the time is right.  No amount of begging/nagging/complaining will change that, because none of those things will make development proceed any faster.

Your opinions do get passed onto the PR staff and directive staff frequently.  However, repeating the same things over and over accomplishes nothing more than frustration and stress for all.  Shadows is massive and requires teamwork, motivation, communication and hard work.  If you are not qualified to help get the game done any faster, the best thing you can do is to just be supportive.  The team appreciates praise over rantings because the former at least makes them remember why they're giving up their time for this game in the first place.

This discussion is obviously one that will never end, since you simply can't satisfy everyone 100% of the time.  Thankfully, the nice thing to remember in all this is that despite whatever certain people presume about the game's progress, it continues to increase day after day.

You know, Yonkey, I've always liked you. You make some good points. I've done way too much complaining around here as of late. What can I say, the rantings of someone who just refuses to believe he'll have to wait longer to play Kings Quest! I really am excited about the game.  I do wish there were more updates, but you know, I also wish the game was done, and that I'd get into Dental School, and that my mother-in-law wasn't so crazy; ya just don't always get what you want I guess :)

Heck, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Quote from: NemelChelovek on June 05, 2007, 05:05:30 PM

QuoteYes, "Fan Feedback." Someone signing up and then coming straight here to bag it doesn't exactly seem like a fan. I understand that alot of people lurk, but seriously if you sign up and then come here to bag, you're gonna get misinterpreted as trolling. Someone who has been signed up for a while and has posted once or twice, or checks every now and then, I'd say is a fan that can definitely express their negative opinions, without being accused of trolling. But otherwise yes, it does come across as trolling, even if the person doesn't mean to troll.

I signed up about a year ago to ask about a song from the "Making of" video that turned out to be "The Day You Were Gone." When this discussion came along, I figured I already had an account and I had an opinion on the subject, so why not contribute?

Just because you post on a message board about something doesn't mean you are or aren't a fan. If someone has been checking the site, following the project's progress, etc, but never had anything to say about it until they felt something negative, they're still fans. Anyone has a right to express a negative opinion, not just someone who's had a forums account for a while.

And you can be a fan and have a negative opinion about something related to the subject of your fandom. I'm a Stephen King fan, but I absolutely hated "Cell." Saying so doesn't disqualify me somehow. In the same vein, I'm a King's Quest fan who has been looking forward to this game, and yet I have a negative opinion on the way it's being handled.

I didn't say you had to be a member for ages, I stated that if you sign up and then say something negative, it could be misinterpreted as trolling. You might be a fan even if you suddenly sign up, but others may not see it that way.

Quote from: robertk2 on June 05, 2007, 11:14:46 PM
You know, Yonkey, I've always liked you. You make some good points.

He does have a way with words, doesn't he? He can say exactly what I want to say without stumbling over his words and in the nicest way possible. I try to...and I fail XD I've really got to take some lessons :P

QuoteYou might be a fan even if you suddenly sign up, but others may not see it that way.

And I will be happy to correct others' misunderstandings about it.

The same things are getting recycled over and over again in this thread.  I think the biggest source of frustration is that no one has any idea when TSL will come out.  Heck AGD and Infamous Adventures have put out free games and even if they were remakes, it was at least satisfying to play them.

Funny that you should mention AGDI, as they've been getting these sort of threads about QFG2 for the past few weeks too.

I personally think that the TSL staff can take all the time they need to complete the game, I would just like it if they actually told us they are still working on it instead of everyone presuming that they were suddenly killed in a car crash because no one has heard anything from them for the past 4 months.

My opinion about whats been going on with the TSL project is that people like me and other KQ fans are used to games being released 2 years after they are announced like sierra used to do. However wheather we like it or not there is a 50% chance of this TSL team even getting part 1 done let alone all the others. The problem from the start was there simply wasn't enough designers and time [despite the fact that the project started somwhere around 2003, which means they had 4 years give or take]. If the TSL Team gets some more updates or something fun to keep us busy the team might not get so many complaints. I hope that helps clear any confusion.  :) 

What was the confusion?

TSL, My appologies. Every single day I have waited and hoped to see, to read to explore somthing new, to no avail. I think that its time to stop waiting, to stop checking and disapointing myself. I will always stay true to the legacy of KQ, its something that myself and my father shared, but instead of beating myself up about waiting, I'm going to give up. You guys are heros in my eyes, you've tried to relight a fire that has long been put out, but your trying with two stones not flint. Its hard on you guys and I can respect that, but I can't spend several hours of my day waiting anymore. I will keep hoping, but I wont visit quite so often. I've grown fond of chating with many of you, you are all excellent people, perhaps one day, we will converse about just how incredible TSL Game really was.

Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 24, 2007, 08:28:24 PMIf the TSL Team gets some more updates or something fun to keep us busy the team might not get so many complaints.

Have you checked out the flash games they made for that very purpose?  ::)

Quote from: Elessar on June 26, 2007, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: noaheugene20 on June 24, 2007, 08:28:24 PMIf the TSL Team gets some more updates or something fun to keep us busy the team might not get so many complaints.

Have you checked out the flash games they made for that very purpose?  ::)

Not just the flash games, but we have monthly forum contests as well. I don't know about everyone else, but the entries keep me entertained. And, each contest has a prize of some sort ;)

Hmm I know about the flash games but they are old and boring now cause I played them a lot. However I got an idea that will make everyone happy including the fans, we could create a thread called the time machine which we will post there to pretend the year is 2015 and that all the 3 tsl games are released!  :)

PS: By the year 2015 the TSL asylum gets over crowded and forces the TSL manger to make a new TSL asylum II with HDTV's and sattelite TV channels including Cedric's cooking, desperate TSL  asylum house wives !!!!!  ;D

Someone should lock this thread...it has independent thought in it, and we can't have that.

It is that time again when I run my thoughts freely. Here it comes.


Everyone's got an opinion, everyone "know" they have the answers, and of course everyone has a side of the story.
Everyone is rather smart. Everyone can speak their mind.

It is rather amusing when I brought issues like: "Hey guys, the fans would appreciate a journal. How about you actually stick to writing a journal monthly?" We all agree, and eventually I cannot rampage on ranting on them for the sake of NOT being able to even reply to me back because sadly the 4 or 5 hours AFTER WORK they have available they spent about 20 different assignments being corrected, as well as reporting, updating, fixing, meeting, emailing and then repeat that all over again.

Neil and I pretty much put everything together in this website for a reason, not because we had one nice couple of weekends off and we decided to "Hey! let's make a journal!" But everything will always work best in black and white, but when you go into management and relating with people it will always be taken to a whole new level. Especially towards a project that might require about 8hr daily, yet we need to be rather thankful we actually HAVE folks working about 2 or 3hr a day. We don't pay them and sadly we won't ever, I don't even know why they agreed to join us in the first place because we all do is expect them to do more and more each week, yet apparently quoting the fans it is simply not enough.

You can tell people what to do but you can't do it for them. Yet, in this particular situation you should be THANKFUL of what they do no matter what. Because even though we might need (example) 10 people for a specific task, we have 3. Do they make the work of 10 people? of course not. They barely even make it as their own, but we are rather amazed we have the quality and talent of those 3 amazingly valuable folks.

And this is just a grasp of what coordination insight would be. As you can find forum drama there is always plenty and colorful team drama as well. Why? we work with people, and people go on vacations, people get sick, people move, people miss deadlines, people get jobs, people have babies, people get better soul consuming jobs, people won't change and we can't expect any different. If we were indeed PAID, and we could grab this people with a CONTRACT, then by all means they wont only give us their leisure AND sleep time, they will give us their freaking souls and every single unborn baby. Yes, they love the project this much apparently. It must be Cesar's new perfume?

Then again, I might be one of the few that is in direct contact with both sides and I hear complains from both sides and I must say it's a wonderful choir, I should write a book once this game is out. True story.


But you have read all of this before, because this isn't the first time I ever comment on anything like this.



Bottom line, no one will be truly satisfied and perhaps this time it's on the fans side. Everyone is working as hard as humanly they can, we are stuck in a bad position because legally we are still less than dirt. We do not have the money, we do not have the copyrights we do not even have the time to work on this yet we are making it happen!

Do you enjoy my rants? No, of course not because they don't give you the core information that you wish to know. Can I provide you a release date? I wish, because not even Cesar can. We would finish the game, then send it to VU then figure out what the crap is going to happen legally: Will they allow it to go through? (insert here all legal drama yet to happen which cannot be disclosed yet) Will Cesar snap and run away to China with the game? Will one of the directors die and then who might carry it on? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure whatever happens I will take my sweet time off work and sit here and write down an announcement, newsletter, fortune cookie and perhaps even smoke signals to let everyone and their mom know. Trust me, I feel like that lil' kid waiting for the big gossip so I can run and tell my best friend.

Everyone complains how POS is a company and we talk about this being our "product" and whatever else. Truth is, POS costs us yearly (it is indeed a registered company) and how much is anyone here making out of this? Not even free drinks. We have this large website, hosting and whatever other insane costs (even snacks we buy for those sleepless night) and who pays for that? Not VU that's for sure! Does anyone care? I think not, they claim we are ridiculously  amateur and how dare we have "clients" without letting them know the "status" or "future" of the product (insert here whatever else you have read in whatever quotes you might please) while in reality this whole thing costs more than what it has EVER produced, which is clearly NOT A SINGLE PENNY. Yet we demand portfolios, resumes, interviews, trial times and yes people can get kicked out of the team as well for not meeting deadlines or just not respecting the NDA. People get accepted, people get turned down. They are demanded more time than what they can give, but they get paid with just a kind  pat in the back, a virtual one at that. Kinda unfair if you ask me but they work with a smile on their faces!

Does this make sense? Perhaps it doesn't. Does anybody care what people do or do not do to make it happen? Probably not. It is rather easy to point out all the black empty spots instead of actually being reasonable and understanding of the reality of the whole. Very few would grasp the reality of what goes on behind the names, what people has to go through and what it really takes to be able to draw a dream and then make it happen. But whatever you want to think or make of it I can clearly assure you that this IS happening and it IS on full production. I get about 10 to 20 emails DAILY regarding production, assignments, uploads, comments, even freaking spam from users that get their account spammed and it's rather an adventure to go through that sea of words.

Just to have a sense of what it really is being a Director of such a project, I cannot believe how Richard Flores for example had to deal with the death of such a close relative yet literally shake it off and come back to work ASAP because only he's insane enough to carry on such large and chaotic department. Yes, we all have had to go through personal life changing moments throughout the development of this game.  Do I get mad that he doesn't give me 10 min of his WEEK to write down a single paragraph about development? Perhaps I should. Instead I'm thankful of everything he has done so far for as long as he has, I cannot do different but cheer him up and support him. No matter what I read and how many times I read it.

I'm not asking for pity, I'm not asking for money, I'm not even asking for sympathy! All I expect for is for people to be understanding and honest with each other (fans and team). I can clearly understand how anyone would get upset and pissed they don't have a game when it has taken as freaking long as it has. For crying out loud, I wanna play the darn game already myself. But then again, I look into the other side and I see people working so hard, meeting deadlines then somehow missing others. Seeing how enthusiastic and how devoted they are even though they might not be able to dedicate more than 1 or 2 hours a day or every other day. And It's difficult to not understand how they might feel, the pressure, the need to just get over with it because they are spending every living free moment working on something that does not give out any real profit but a personal gratification. It's a complicated situation, but I will not lie to anyone and I will not go out of my way to comply to rants.

I clearly have nothing best to say than "yes we are working on this" because we are. Regardless of the rants, disappointment, lack of communication (or anything to communicate for that matter) it is happening. Obviously I do not have the need to reply to every single post myself anymore, that's why I have mods who are wonderful enough to be able to deal with me and to deal with you. For free, with their best intentions, and with all the free time they have to give to you. They are on this website probably more than what they should, yet some call it "apathy" or such, also they reply to pretty much everyone even though when they probably don't have the time for every single reply.

Anyhow, this was just a long rant that had a while coming. The feedback as of lately has been rather negative and it's just because the frustration of not having the game downloaded in your computer ready to be installed. We are doing everything we can in the time we can and however we can possibly make it happen. If things were to be different I wouldn't have mods working for me, I wouldn't have this website up I would just set up a banner/announcement with whatever pertinent info/excuse you want to name for whatever drama/situation going on. Why waste anyone's time? I certainly wouldn't enjoy working for something that has no future or that seriously is not happening. I'd rather just call it good and let everyone enjoy their weekends however they'd find it more convenient than having a long annoying meeting to update them on what's going on so they can reply to whatever you ask them.


It boggles me how negative people can be just for the sake of being it, how easy is to get to conclusions without even truly thinking what they have to say before the run and type down whatever their frustrations tells them to. I get it, you want the game and that's what you'll get. It is not as soon as you (or we) might have wanted it to, but hey it is happening.


I hope you have enjoyed this long rant as much as I did. There's an update somewhere in that long post. How's that for an independent thought? Even Directors get to rant sometimes.





PS: It's 1am here and I should go to bed. I am guilty of *not* reading after writing to correct any typos, grammar or silliness.
No Cesars were harmed in the making of this post.

*worships Say*

Wonderfully put. :)

And, by any chance, is Cesar exhibiting any signs of wanting to snap and run the game off to China? :P

Does he and Neil having a baby count? :P Oh...ya'll didn't know Neil was pregnant? :P

Wonderfully put, Say. I know the team's working hard, and yet, reading your post helped me to realize HOW hard. Thank you.

Hear, hear Say!  *applauds*

Well said! 8)

Quote from: Say on August 20, 2007, 02:33:36 AM
No Cesars were harmed in the making of this post.

*is disappointed* :-\ :P

Quote from: koko_99_2001 on August 20, 2007, 05:31:08 AM
Does he and Neil having a baby count? :P Oh...ya'll didn't know Neil was pregnant? :P

We're expecting triplets. :)

I'm still aliveeeee!!!

Well put, Say!

I can't tell you the wonderful feeling that is getting 3 and 4 hours of sleep every night for the whole week trying to manage between my job at Actvision (and then coming home to continue to do more of the same) go to bed at 3 and 4 am, wake up at 7:30, go to work, rinse, repeat, and then come here and hear a bunch of people saying that we are not giving you what you want... hmmm... wonderful. My zombie like state of everyday due to lack of sleep is really appreciated out there by the people that keep bashing us...

Anyhow, Say couldn't have put it better. The only thing that I want to add is that if we decided not to show anything else is because it's not safe FOR YOU to be shown anything else. I can talk to you about numbers of production if those make any sense to you, but showing you more screenshots, characters, etc will completely ruin the experience for you.

What we have left that is still under wraps has a VERY good reason to be under wraps, but you keep on pushing, and I'll go ahead and release the "magic" side of it and ruin the whole experience to everyone.

Will that make you happy?

Cez

Thank you both Say and Cesar ;D,
Say your post was both touching and inspiring. I've been pretty negative on the forums lately and I'd like to make a public apology to the TSL staff,fans,moderatators,ect... who had to put up with my "aggravated" attitude recently. I do really appreciate what you guys do for us and I just want to apologize again for my rotten attitude. :-[

Yes, thank you so much say!

All those words, and yet no hint of an end in sight.  Got it...thanks.

Appreciate everything you're doing, Cesar :)

GunHoMac:  ::)

Quote from: SayI'm not asking for pity, I'm not asking for money, I'm not even asking for sympathy! All I expect for is for people to be understanding and honest with each other (fans and team).

Quote from: GunHoMac
All those words, and yet no hint of an end in sight.  Got it...thanks.

This just goes to show that even games without a price tag can be pirated.  :sneaky:

(http://www.agdiforums.com/forum/images/avatars/moodpics/Nashhah.jpg)

Thank you for your pointless post Erpy. As uncalled as it was, I knew I couldn't expect any different from you.

 Ye gods, are you people still going on about this? :P From my not inconsiderable experience with internet conversation (greater than my experience with the face-to-face probably, but that's a whole separate story) I can inform you all this is going absolutely nowhere. The team is never going to satisfy the skeptics, and the skeptics are not going to get what they want either. In the interest of not having to see these blighted things crop up in my new posts section, I am going to respectfully recommend that you all shut up. :P Hounding the team more will not help anyone, and you people on the team don't have to reply to every post here either. Ignore them and they will go away sooner or later, keep posting and they keep arguing. So, if you will all be so kind as to be quiet, I think you will find we are all better served. 

Based on my internet experience, I am giving about 5% odds people will notice, 70% you will make a polite acknowledgment and go on arguing, and 25% this post might as well not exist. If current treads keep up, I will have enough threads to post things like this in to confirm or disprove my theory. So in the interest of science, I must say


KEEP AT IT GUINEA PIGS :D :D :D

Ah insanity. :P

Quote from: Say on August 24, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
Thank you for your pointless post Erpy. As uncalled as it was, I knew I couldn't expect any different from you.

Commercial game developers ask for money as payment in return for their efforts, but there are people committing piracy by not paying the retail price, yet still downloading, playing and enjoying the game.

Freeware game developers don't ask for money, but instead (as you said) ask for patience and understanding for their position. Also in this case, there are people who won't come up with this patience and understanding, yet will in the end still download and play the game. In a way, that's also "piracy" if you think about it, in the methaphorical meaning of reaping the benefits while denying the developer the benefits, even though the game has no price tag.

I dunno, I thought it was interesting to think about it.

Uncalled? Meh, I've been reading some discussions here and I think my statement had SOME merit. Please note, my statement favors your team, not the complainers. I know the hurdles of game development first hand. Word.

If there's anything personal you have against me that warrants the statement that you kinda expected uncalled posts from me, please let me know, because I don't recall we actually ever gotten into a fight before. The ferocity of your reply towards me made me raise my eyebrows. Or perhaps you misunderstood what I was getting at, in which case we can leave it at that, now that I explained the meaning behind my post.

(http://www.agdiforums.com/forum/images/avatars/moodpics/Nashsnc2.jpg)

yeah your post was very ambiguous at first, but I do get your point now. Stretching it out a little though, but yeah, we are all in the same boat somehow.

*Agrees with Cesar (is too lazy to go to the character map, but not lazy enough to not type this comment), Say, Erpy, and Petra*

@ Petra: I get where you're coming from. I go from hating these threads to being entertained by them. (But, the "guinea pigs" may have been a bit much.)

@ Erpy: I love your analysis of pirating! XD

@ Say and Cez: I love you guys! *loves all of TSL/POS* ...and your posts are great.

...but you guys made me go against my decision not to post in these conversations... just so I could tell you all that you're just that awesome.

*goes back to not posting in these conversations*

Oh? XD I thought it was an amusing touch, but I can take it down if it bothers people. :)

Nah. Leave it up. Once you read the whole post, it's a major cap-off to the whole post. XB Plus, it pulls you into reading it anyway.

Remember... on topic peoples!