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Title: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 19, 2006, 07:50:17 AM
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As for bubonic plague, it wasn't just carried by fleas on rats... The flea that carries the plague can be found on a variety of different rodents including, squirrels and chipmunks...

  True, but since squirrels don't usually live with humans, the chances of transmission are minimal.   ;)

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It is believed that more than one kind of plague hit during the middle ages, other forms including an airborne variety, "pneumonic plague", and was human to human transmission(dirty humans,   )...

  That would depend on which plague you are talking about.  ;)  Plague was common in all pre-industrial cultures, and differant ones were caused by differant germs.  But there are a lot of different ideas about what might have caused the Pandemic of 1347, so rats do not stand convicted or exonerated yet.
Title: Plagues
Post by: Baggins on July 19, 2006, 02:56:52 PM
I was speaking of the most famous one, the Black Death. It was a combination of several types of plagues, from several seperate transmission sources. Including Septstimic(sp?), Bubonic, and Pneumonic, and possibly Anthrax among other sources. The people didn't know the difference between the various types, to them it as merely the Plague.

The only reason they know that the 3 main types of plagues were involved was due to the symptoms that were written about. Certain symptoms are specific to certain members of the family of "plague" germs, that being the "Pestis" germs IIRC.

Sepstimic for example was blood poisoning and caused the body to turn purple.

Bubonic caused lymphnodes to swell.

Pneumonic caused the lungs to fill.
Title: Plagues
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 19, 2006, 04:30:41 PM
Will reply to Black Death in another thread, as it has little to do with KQ enemies.  :)
Title: Re: Plagues
Post by: Yonkey on July 19, 2006, 05:11:08 PM
No need.  You can now reply here. 8)
Title: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 19, 2006, 06:31:07 PM
  No matter where I go, history debates follow.  I ought to get mental help, or a grade or something.  ::)

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I was speaking of the most famous one, the Black Death. It was a combination of several types of plagues, from several seperate transmission sources. Including Septstimic(sp?), Bubonic, and Pneumonic, and possibly Anthrax among other sources. The people didn't know the difference between the various types, to them it as merely the Plague.

The only reason they know that the 3 main types of plagues were involved was due to the symptoms that were written about. Certain symptoms are specific to certain members of the family of "plague" germs, that being the "Pestis" germs IIRC.

Sepstimic for example was blood poisoning and caused the body to turn purple.

Bubonic caused lymphnodes to swell.

Pneumonic caused the lungs to fill.

  Fortunatly, my answer is short. That is indeed the currently the most popular expanation for the Black Death as I understand it.  But while the Middle Ages is not really "my" period, I think this is one thing where ideas change every few years. And as you say, we have only descriptions of symptoms, so a number interperatations can and have been put forth.  Also to what degree rats/fleas were involved is hard to measure accuratly.

  So really I'm saying I don't know much about the subject, and I prefer to tread lightly, as I've been hit with 5 page Primary scource douments and university ideas in a couple of languages once too often to call myself a know-it-all.  ;)
Title: Re: Plagues
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 19, 2006, 06:34:56 PM
Oops.  Sorry, I was typing up a reply where I got called for what I thought was a 5 minute chore, so I just minimized the browser.  When I got back an hour and a half later I finished the thread and posted, without seeing this one.  Sorry, can you merge the threads or something without to much trouble?
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Yonkey on July 20, 2006, 05:18:26 AM
I did a project on the Bubonic Plague back in Grade 10 or 11.  I believe it started in Europe and was transmitted to humans from rats.  I can't remember how many deaths resulted, but I remember when the first Flu pandemic happened, it killed quite a lot more. :-\
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on July 20, 2006, 06:10:52 AM
     If I recall correctly it started in China and is believed to have spread via fleas on shipboard rats to Europe.
     It also didn’t help that soon after(?) the witch hunts were started and a lot of cats were killed, not to mention the people.
 :(
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: awesomeasapossum on July 20, 2006, 06:38:43 AM
Why are people talking about the black death?
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on July 20, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Lol Like many other off topics the original conversation took a left hand turn and just kept on going. Strange but interesting topic.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 20, 2006, 07:59:29 AM
Why are people talking about the black death?

 Same reason people post threads saying Wabbajack, Wabbajack, or whatever.  ;) It's something to talk about.

 This particular argument started by talking about KQ enemies, went on to cats, talked about how KQ is biased against cats, which somehow lead to talking about rats, so when someone pointed out that rats spread plague somebody else said the plague spread other ways and then I said its impossible to know for sure which cause of the spread how much plague, so we can't how much rats are at fault, and then the thread got moved here because it no longer had anything do with KQ enemies.  Which is probably way more that you wanted to know.  :suffer:

     If I recall correctly it started in China and is believed to have spread via fleas on shipboard rats to Europe.
     It also didn’t help that soon after(?) the witch hunts were started and a lot of cats were killed, not to mention the people.
 :(

  Sorry, but IIRC the witch hunts took place after the black death by a couple of hundred years for the most part. The Black Death lasted from 1347 to sometime in the 1400's in pandemic proportions IIRC. The witch hunts happened 1450-1700 roughly.  It is true that the Black Death provoked pogroms against the Jews though.

 Where the Black Death started exactly is something I have heard endless opinions on, and I will not presume to give judgment.  It could have been anywhere from Russia to China it seems.  I like the sociology and poly sci parts of history, and while I can do as well as the next in arguing the social changes the Black Death brought, when talking about where germs came from and how they spread I'm out of my depth, I was never any good at biology.  :'(  

 If you have an opinion though, certainly feel free to argue it or back it up.


I did a project on the Bubonic Plague back in Grade 10 or 11.  I believe it started in Europe and was transmitted to humans from rats.  I can't remember how many deaths resulted, but I remember when the first Flu pandemic happened, it killed quite a lot more. :-\

  Quite true about the Flu, though since more people were around to kill in the Early 20thc it is perhaps not suprising. And yes, 95% of textbooks and historians would says it was spread mostly by rats.  But since all we really have are some descriptions of the plague, there is always some uncertainty, and thus some argument, if only among professors who need to publish something that sounds important.  ;)  I don't know enough to take sides, so I'll leave well enough alone.  ;)
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on July 20, 2006, 08:44:56 AM
 Sorry, but IIRC the witch hunts took place after the black death by a couple of hundred years for the most part. The Black Death lasted from 1347 to sometime in the 1400's in pandemic proportions IIRC. The witch hunts happened 1450-1700 roughly.  It is true that the Black Death provoked pogroms against the Jews though.

Really? I guess I’m remembering it wrong. I remember watching a show about its spread and what it could have been due to the known symptoms but I thought they mentioned something about cats being killed because of their “association” with “witches” and how that may have encourage it’s spread. Was there another pandemic around the witch hunts that I’m confusing it with?
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on July 20, 2006, 08:57:24 AM
  Sorry, but IIRC the witch hunts took place after the black death by a couple of hundred years for the most part. The Black Death lasted from 1347 to sometime in the 1400's in pandemic proportions IIRC. The witch hunts happened 1450-1700 roughly.  It is true that the Black Death provoked pogroms against the Jews though.

There were (albeit occasional) outbreaks throughout the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries as well I think. :-\
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 20, 2006, 09:43:04 AM

Really? I guess I'm remembering it wrong. I remember watching a show about its spread and what it could have been due to the known symptoms but I thought they mentioned something about cats being killed because of their association with witches and how that may have encourage it's spread. Was there another pandemic around the witch hunts that I'm confusing it with?

  No Europe-wide pandemic that I am aware of, though plenty of "lesser" plagues.  For example the London Plague of 1665 http://www.britainexpress.com/History/plague.htm 

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There were (albeit occasional) outbreaks throughout the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries as well I think.

 
 Indeed.  Though epidemics were only to common in pre-modern society.   An area could be literally decimated, like the plague of 1318, the Antonine Plague or the The Great Smallpox Epidemic of 1775-82 ( the last happened mostly among the crowded, dirty soldiers, thus the dates).
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on July 20, 2006, 10:31:43 AM
*wonders if it's time to move on to the so-called "Sweating Sickness"* :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on July 20, 2006, 11:08:06 AM
  No Europe-wide pandemic that I am aware of, though plenty of "lesser" plagues.

I think the show did talk about other pandemics so that's probably where it fit in.

*wonders if it's time to move on to the so-called "Sweating Sickness"* :P
I don't remember that one right now. ???
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on July 20, 2006, 11:20:25 AM
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I don't remember that one right now.


  Yet another plague.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweating_sickness
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Rosella on July 20, 2006, 12:04:43 PM
I think the black death killed about 2/3 of Europe's population, and 3/4 of London's.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on July 20, 2006, 01:02:37 PM
Interesting read. I don't think I had heard of that one.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Baggins on July 23, 2006, 02:16:33 AM
Ya interesting stuff.

Ya my point was to point out that we don't have enough to know if rats were the only culprits, or if there were other factors spreading the "Black Death".

Like you said we only get a few descriptions of symptoms but not enough to know if they were describing actually plague systems or were symptoms from other kinds of diseases, for example.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Yonkey on July 23, 2006, 06:05:19 AM
Is it just me, or does the "Sweating sickness" sound more like an elevated fever than anything else? :P In those days, they didn't have anti-biotics so in order to combat sickness, the body elevates its core temperature to "kill off" unknown bacteria.  Obviously, the higher your core temperature elevates, the more sweaty, fatigued, and delerious you get. 8)

Anyway, it makes the most sense for the Black Death / Bubonic Plague to have been spread by rats, or more specifically rats infested with fleas that harbored the bacteria Y. pestis, since it is able to thrive in flea anatomy:

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Pathogenicity of Y. pestis is due to two anti-phagocytic antigens, named F1 and VW, both required for virulence.[1] These antigens are produced by the bacterium at 37°C: this is why insects—such as the flea—harbor non-virulent bacteria.
(Reference: Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/yersinia-pestis))

As for how the fleas got infected with bacterium, you'd have to read the papers people have published on Y. pestis (since they aren't free :P) but I would assume it was produced by the offspring of one flea containing half the bacteria and the other flea containing the other half. :scholar:
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Baggins on July 23, 2006, 10:02:36 PM
Well the thing is Bubonic wasn't the only type of plague recorded in ancient history, or known by modern scientists. There are several other kinds of Pestis bacterium that are spread by other means, that can cause other kinds of plagues. Yersinia pestis can actually cause 3 types of plagues.

Some of the stuff that was called Bubonic plague was actually had symptoms from other plague types that Bubonic plague itself doesn't have.

Some of those other symptoms can also be caused by other things besides different kinds of "pestis" bacteriums.

Thus why historians debate on if there was more than one type of plague going on during the "Black Death" and some of the other great plagues.

Also certain kinds of pestis varieties can also be transmitted through physical contact with soil that harbored the bactyeria, fecal matter, saliva, or physical contact with those that were already infected. We are talking about a time when people dumped their feces right into the street.

So their were other means of transmission, not to mention different varities of pestis plague.

To quote Wikipedia, these are statistics for deaths during the "Black Death" for the various kinds of plagues;

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The bubonic plague was the most commonly seen form during the Black Death, with a mortality rate of thirty to seventy-five percent and symptoms including fever of 38 - 41 °C (101-105 °F), headaches, aching joints, nausea and vomiting, and a general feeling of malaise. The pneumonic plague was the second most commonly seen form during the Black Death, with a mortality rate of ninety to ninety-five percent. Symptoms included slimy sputum tinted with blood. As the disease progressed, sputum became free flowing and bright red. Septicaemic plague was the most rare of the three forms, with mortality close to one hundred percent. Symptoms were high fevers and skin turning deep shades of purple due to DIC (Disseminated intravascular coagulation).

Plus some of the symptoms are shared with other kinds of diseases, so there is the chance that some died of something else, but since it shared symptoms with the various pestis plagues, it was documented as being part of the Black Death.


The question is not of if rats with fleas spread the disease, since its largely believed rats were one of the culprits. The real question is how much did the rats or fleas spread the disease, and how much was transmission originated from other causes.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Yonkey on July 24, 2006, 05:17:31 AM
Some of those other symptoms can also be caused by other things besides different kinds of "pestis" bacteriums.

Thus why historians debate on if there was more than one type of plague going on during the "Black Death" and some of the other great plagues.
Oh definitely.  In fact, if you read the entire webpage I referenced, you'll notice that it says that Y. pestis is a culprit in many of the plagues that Europe experienced.  Due to the nature of viruses, it's completely possible that certain strains evolved from Y. pestis producing different plagues, symptops and whatnot.

On the bright side, there is an antidote to this bacteria, so everyone who's completely scared by this thread doesn't need to me. :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on July 24, 2006, 08:21:32 AM
On the bright side, there is an antidote to this bacteria, so everyone who's completely scared by this thread doesn't need to me. :P
Aw. :'( *thinks this thread is about to die...:'(* IT DESERVES TO LIVE!! :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on July 24, 2006, 10:02:54 AM
On the bright side, there is an antidote to this bacteria, so everyone who's completely scared by this thread doesn't need to me. :P
Aw. :'( *thinks this thread is about to die...:'(* IT DESERVES TO LIVE!! :P
LOL
Don’t worry I’m sure it will pop up when/where it’s least expected.
I just read about an outbreak of Ebola that killed some 400 gorillas.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Baggins on July 24, 2006, 10:36:02 AM
Ya well certain symptoms of actual pestis plague are shared by things such as Ebola, and other types of viruses, bacterium, and in some cases even Anthrax, heh.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on February 06, 2007, 12:22:35 PM
Revived, as I maintained it should live, it shall! :P

Anyone want to discuss the Spanish Flu? :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: tessspoon on February 06, 2007, 12:28:34 PM
Sure. Uhh, how's it different from other flus? ;P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on February 06, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
Sure. :D IIRC, Spainish flu was a plague that ravaged the France and Spain in the Early modern period sometime, but I could well be wrong.  :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on February 06, 2007, 03:54:44 PM
Sure. Uhh, how's it different from other flus? ;P
Sure. :D IIRC, Spainish flu was a plague that ravaged the France and Spain in the Early modern period sometime, but I could well be wrong.  :P

Thought it was gone? Think again!
Take a look here: Discovery (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/01/18/1918flu_hea.html?category=health&\1guid=20070118130030)
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Gilgamesh on February 06, 2007, 04:01:49 PM
Whoot nice thread.

Special sale today only!
"Illness of the week" :P
Now in every store!
Need to be ill just buy it at your local store

Death not guaranteed. XD

Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: tessspoon on February 06, 2007, 05:00:19 PM
Thought it was gone? Think again!
Take a look here: Discovery (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/01/18/1918flu_hea.html?category=health&\1guid=20070118130030)
Never would have thought a virus could cause someone to drown to death.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on February 06, 2007, 05:21:14 PM
Thought it was gone? Think again!
Take a look here: Discovery (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/01/18/1918flu_hea.html?category=health&\1guid=20070118130030)
Never would have thought a virus could cause someone to drown to death.
There are several if IIFC though i can't think of their names right now, Petra might thought, but I didn't know this was one of them until that article. :(
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Delling on February 06, 2007, 09:26:19 PM
Firstly, I love the name of this thread...

Secondly, I missed this topic so I didn't get to bring this up then...

In regard to the sweating sickness, the initial phases (apprehension, shivers, giddiness, headache) all seem to point to a neurological illness :( while the later phases (sweating and fever and the symptoms following those) indicate the body had purged most of its nutrients and fluids through its sweating. Finally, heart palpitations, continued pains, and exhaustion and collapse support the idea that the loss of nutrients and certainly any damage from the fever (and whatever infection caused the onset in the first place) had simply worn the body out past its ability to recover. It seems to me that the cause of the illness reacted with the body in such a way as to make the body practically destroy itself.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: tessspoon on March 17, 2007, 10:54:04 AM
 That's  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMxhc8WwGU) a lot of mice!
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: koko_99_2001 on March 17, 2007, 01:16:33 PM
ewwww!
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Yonkey on March 17, 2007, 01:40:30 PM
That's disgusting! :X
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on April 03, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
Another happy subject! Europe's now war-razed state:

(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/All-Declare-War.article.jpg)

*spam*
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on April 03, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
Another happy subject! Europe's now war-razed state:

(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/All-Declare-War.article.jpg)

*spam*
LOL That's Great. I wish I could actually read it. That looks funny.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on April 03, 2008, 12:26:59 PM
It is a pity. :-\
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on April 03, 2008, 04:38:58 PM
Bring out your dead.....*bling*....Bring out your dead....*bling*
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on April 03, 2008, 05:09:23 PM
Bring out your dead.....*bling*....Bring out your dead....*bling*
XD
Gatta love M.P.

Hey! I'm not dead yet.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: tessspoon on April 03, 2008, 06:00:46 PM
Bring out your dead.....*bling*....Bring out your dead....*bling*
*brings out a couple corpses and tosses them onto the wagon*
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on April 03, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
That'll be two bits a corpse, mum!
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: tessspoon on April 03, 2008, 09:36:43 PM
*hands over four bits*
[grumble]last time it was only one bit a corpse, what's this world coming to, i tell ya, next time it'll be four, than eight, than nobody will be able to afford to throw out their corpses, and we'll have bodies all over the place and that'll just make the whole plague worse and they'll be even more bodies...[/grumble]

*walks away continuing to rant on to no one in particular*
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on April 04, 2008, 06:10:50 AM
I watched a show last week that showed how the survivors of the black plague in England had a mutated gene that made them immune to it and that same gene mutation is now proven to be immune to  AIDS.

Cool.

At least I thought it was.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on April 04, 2008, 01:09:11 PM
Wow, really? I'll have to look that up, interesting!
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Shades2585 on April 04, 2008, 01:54:23 PM
Ya it sa some h32 gene or something like that.

hang on
 
*searchers Google*

Ya here it is.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/interview.html

The show was interesting though.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on September 12, 2008, 03:21:02 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7608000/7608874.stm

We missed something very important. :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on September 12, 2008, 04:08:42 PM
Wow a dance of death. I think I'd choose that as a way to go than alot of other ways.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Suzie on September 12, 2008, 04:11:02 PM
Another happy subject! Europe's now war-razed state:

(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/All-Declare-War.article.jpg)

*spam*

That made me laugh. BIG TIME. XD
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on September 13, 2008, 02:58:51 AM
Another happy subject! Europe's now war-razed state:

(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/All-Declare-War.article.jpg)

*spam*
I would like to point out that no one is attacking Switzerland. :P :(
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Suzie on September 13, 2008, 03:58:44 AM
I would like to point out that no one is attacking Switzerland. :P :(


I declare war on Switzerland!! :D
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on September 13, 2008, 05:56:45 AM
I would like to point out that no one is attacking Switzerland. :P :(


I declare war on Switzerland!! :D
XD XD *leaves the country and goes to Ireland, which no one seems to be attacking either* :D
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Suzie on September 13, 2008, 07:22:14 AM
I would like to point out that no one is attacking Switzerland. :P :(


I declare war on Switzerland!! :D
XD XD *leaves the country and goes to Ireland, which no one seems to be attacking either* :D

Touche XD
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on September 14, 2008, 01:14:09 AM
Ireland only likes to attack itself.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on September 14, 2008, 03:07:19 AM
Ireland only likes to attack itself.
So did the Vikings. :P Technically, the Williamate War in Ireland (Cogadh an D R=War of the Two Kings, if I'm not mistaken) also took place there. :)
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Delling on September 14, 2008, 09:40:31 AM
(Cogadh an D R=War of the Two Kings, if I'm not mistaken)

It does indeed. :D :)
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on September 14, 2008, 10:25:43 AM
Iiiiinteresting...
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on September 20, 2008, 07:00:14 PM
If you read the fine print you with notice that the area drunkard also declared war on Ireland. :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on September 20, 2008, 09:42:22 PM
How bout Iceland? I bet people wouldn't declare war on Iceland!
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on May 27, 2009, 01:16:59 PM
If you read the fine print you with notice that the area drunkard also declared war on Ireland. :P
I missed that. XD

How bout Iceland? I bet people wouldn't declare war on Iceland!
Do not attack the home of the gods! :evil:

(Posted on: 21 September 2008, 10:19:49)


Swine flu anyone? :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: atec123 on May 28, 2009, 10:07:59 AM
Everyone is overreacting.  I don't care about swine flu.  Even if I did, I wouldn't let it ruin my life.  Also, I read some stuff about it and I honestly think if i were to get it somehow, I'd be better off not reacting.  It's not really worse than the regular flu, alot of people say.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Deloria on May 28, 2009, 10:24:42 AM
Indeed, regular flu kills more people. :P But you must admit, the overreactions are hilarious in retrospect and even were at the time. :P
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: Petra Rocks on May 28, 2009, 10:31:24 AM
(http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/120/2/4/Swine_Flu_Hysteria_by_Latuff2.jpg)
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: PirateKingChris on May 28, 2009, 11:39:10 AM
Most definitely an overreaction to the swine flu! Ridiculous!
Title: Re: Rats, fleas, the Black Death and other happy subjects.
Post by: atec123 on May 28, 2009, 12:10:46 PM
(http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/120/2/4/Swine_Flu_Hysteria_by_Latuff2.jpg)
HAHA!
I never overreacted.  I honestly never really reacted.  But otherpeople's reactions were hilarious!  yeah.