I just happened to read an interesting article at Adventure Gamers called "A vision for adventure games on Nintendo Wiii" (http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,666/) where it basically talks about Wii's potential for our genre.
This topic has been discussed in the past, both within the team, by some of our forum members, and most recently I happened to talk about it last night with Cesar. So, what are all of your thoughts? Do you see this as a means for modern adventure games to thrive? Or, do you think adventure game development should never diverge from the PC platform?
Well sure it'll be awesome for a hybrid first person shooter/adventure game, such Metroid Prime 3.
But I don't think I necessarily would like the wand in place of a mouse or gamepad for traditional adventure games. Also the classic style analog controller costs extra.
If you didn't know X-box has been kind of a safe haven for adventure game companies. Syberia 1 and 2 for example had ports that did really well on the old X-box, and last I heard there are some being planned for release on x-box 360 as well.
Quote from: Baggins on August 16, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
If you didn't know X-box has been kind of a safe haven for adventure game companies. Syberia 1 and 2 for example had ports that did really well on the old X-box, and last I heard there are some being planned for release on x-box 360 as well.
How did they implement point-and-click on those? ???
You walk up to something and then click a button to "look", another button to bring up inventory items or activate on the area you are near.
The system is very similar to the system used in Monkey Island 4, and Grim Fandango which had no mouse control to begin with. Those games work better with gamepad themselves rather than keyboard.
..or games with mouse control, you use one of the analog sticks to move the pointer around the screen to click on things.
I wouldn't know, but as they say "Nothing ventured, nothing gained" If we don't try it, then we wouldn't know. I would be very open to the idea of trying one out. If TSL was ported to it, I would certainly get it, to own it, and to see if it works. I think it's really a matter of testing as you go along. You can't know something like this until you try it. I would certainly believe it has potential. Whether that potential is used properly I do not know. Anyway, that's my two cents on the matter.
I'm not really sure if TSL will be ported there, but I would definitely like to explore this option in future products. 8)
I'm not saying it is. In fact, I think it's physically impossible by the laws of nature that TSL would be ported there. (Notice that I didn't say it couldn't be ported there...) But it would be tons of fun! I'd love to play graham, using the "wii-mote". Just point the mote around the screen, and press one of the triggers to use the action presented. The A button would then be used to change the different commands. And of course, the narrator would have remarks to say to graham, and if you fail a puzzle, then the mote would shake... Just lovely... I can almost imagine it. Wait, I am... XD *mummbles to self and contemplates entering the asylum...*
Are you talking about our Mote or Nintendo's? XD
If that's a joke I don't get it, but I was talking about nintendo's. I would love to see that someday... Maybe when I become a homebrew gamer in the next 25 centuries after oblivion I could port it there... If you mean mote as in a mote of water surrounding a castle, I think I may get it, otherwise I have no idea. And I realize I spelled mote wrong in the sense of water...
Quote from: dark-daventry on August 17, 2006, 12:32:17 PM
If that's a joke I don't get it
You don't know who Mote is? :o Ok, this (http://www.tsl-game.com/contest/) should help. :)
Have a look at the entry under Fan's Quest. :P
I honestly think it'd be a fantastic console option for "point and click" type games, as most adventure games are.
Plus, allegedly the development kits will be affordable (as in...like 1000 dollars instead of 50000), and the dev environment is a lot like the Gamecube, which is pretty simple and developer-friendly.
I think it would be a waste to think about adventure games in the point n click format on the wii. The only reason its the dominant method is that its the best input method we have at the moment. The wii offers a mouse like environment but in three dimensions. The possibilities with this kind of input method are just so exciting! Rather than clicking a hand icon on a door you just go up to it and rotate the wiimote as if opening a door handle etc etc. I think its going to be a very exciting time when some companies finally do tackle a fully blown adventure on it.
About porting TSL...well i wouldn't think it would be very hard at all as like I said above its really just an extended version of a mouse any way. It may even be possible to offer it on the virtual console component of the system...
Exactly Alex! ;D
That's why I see the most potential with this genre with the Nintendo Wii, because it allows you to be very creative input-wise. That's something I've never seen before in terms of hardware, so I think they might be "revolutionizing" a lot more than they think. XD
EDIT: Actually, I remember Nintendo making the PowerGlove ages ago, but I don't think that really took off, since not many games used it. Plus the fact that it was a glove, so it kinda hindered on how creative you could be. :P The Wii-mote on the other hand could be use for tons of things, as illustrated in their promotional videos, so it's almost like the sky's the limit! XD
Hmm, it makes one wonder if the Wii will surprise people and end up being the next dominant console. I am sure Nintendo would love that situation. ;D
I personally believe that Nintendo does not aim win the race, they only wish to make their fans happy and to innovate games as much as possible. That's how I interpret their vision at least... But I believe seeing a KQ on the wii would be very cool. I think that the wii will very likely be the beginning of our return. (By our I mean the adventure genre and it's community) But as Roberta williams said herself, the genre isn't really gone. It never was. The fans keep it alive. (I don't believe she said the last part, and I didn't make this a quote, as I don't think it is one...)
Quote from: dark-daventry on September 01, 2006, 08:42:42 AM
I personally believe that Nintendo does not aim win the race, they only wish to make their fans happy and to innovate games as much as possible. That's how I interpret their vision at least... But I believe seeing a KQ on the wii would be very cool. I think that the wii will very likely be the beginning of our return. (By our I mean the adventure genre and it's community) But as Roberta williams said herself, the genre isn't really gone. It never was. The fans keep it alive. (I don't believe she said the last part, and I didn't make this a quote, as I don't think it is one...)
Well thats what it
seems like Nintendo are doing but I reckon they are playing a very clever game and have some pretty intelligent guys in their PR/Marketing department.
Prior to the DS's release Nintendo's president Satoru Iwata stated that he'd be pleased if only 10% of people actually "got" what they were trying to do and it was in no way a replacement for the Gameboy Advance. Yet almost two years on the DS is the fastest selling console around atm with Japan's software chart being completely dominated by DS software and the GBA dying a slow (but quite dignified death software wise).
Fast forward to the Wii's unveiling and its a similar kind fo story. When asked about whether they think they can "beat" Sony and MS in Sales they've taken the stance that they aren't after the same market so can't beat them. The way everythings been handled about the Wii has really impressed me, from the revelaing of its name to how they've slowly shown us why its going to be such a revolutionary system piece by piece at various trade shows.
*gush*
BUT anyhow, the reason i was even posting in this topic was to remind everyone that FINALLY the release date and price point is due to be anounced at three seperate HUGE press events in New York, Tokyo and London over the next 48 hours. My moneys on a mid to late October release with a sub $199/£150 price point.
*Squeals* That soon? *Hyper-Panic mode activated* OMGosh, what am I going to do... Where's my laptop... Plane tickets... Wait a sec, I can't attend the events anyway... :'( Oh well! There's always Gamespot! And IGN!
Well, my friend Brian is planning on buying the new Nintendo and I may end up buying this one as well if I buy a new console. The Xbox 360 has no interest to me --- I have a good computer -- ;D --- The Playstation 3 while it seems really awesome is very pricey and I wonder about DRM (Digital Rights Management) in this console. I still remain undecided. -- some of my funds go to keeping my computer in top notch shape -- ;)
I totally agree to that, as cool as they seem I would choose a PC if I could :D (sadly, some nice games are not available for PC :( )
Just out of curiosity, what monitor do you have Dew? :P
An old cathode ray tube monitor and it is an Optiquest -- I am happy with it and it still works fine so I have seen no reason to upgrade to a new fangled LCD (Liquid Crystal Display) or another different type of display. The computer is a Falcon-Northwest which I fully upgraded except for the original case, original 1.44 mb floppy and the original monitor. I probably will at some point but this monitor suits my needs and is quite sharp for a CRT monitor. <grin> I usually view at 800x600 resolution (sometimes 640x480 when needed with older games and sometimes 1024x768) with 32 bit color. The 98SE side has an old DOS (Disk Operating System) mouse driver for compatibility (as well as newer Windows drivers of course) with old games and the Sound Blaster Audigy 1 has DOS drivers for full compatibility with old DOS games as well.
Wow! are you for real??
What kind of games do you usually play in your PC? (and going back to topic as well! :P) What games would you play over Wii? :D
Hehe, I'd love to play any of the games. Alex mentioned a pretty good one today. I'm not sure if I'd start with that, but those kinds of games are pretty fun to play IMO. :P
Yes, I am for real. I even have two mice and one is an older mouse with a mouse ball inside for movement and the other is a fairly modern optical mouse. That is one reason I was a little annoyed at a poster for suggesting that 98SE is not that good since it is no longer supported by Microsoft as of July 11, 2006 in the technical support thread for TSL under the 98SE will work in TSL (or something similar). Apparently, it is the third most used operating system after Windows XP and Windows 2000. I think the main reason for this is the great legacy support it has for older games.
OS Market Share (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Owns-96-97-of-Global-OS-Market-33363.shtml)
I enjoy playing the King's Quest games on my PC. I also enjoy a lot of the older Sierra games like the Quest for Glory series, Space Quest series and Police Quest series. I have not seen too many modern games that I am interested in and I am starting to get busy at work so my time is more limited for playing games. I played and beat Sinbad and the Legend of the Seven Seas a little while back. I had bought it at a clearance price. I just started playing Kingdom Hearts on the Playstation 2 which I have at my folk's house. I look forward to the new Zelda game for the Wii.
http://wii.nintendo.com/games_zelda.html
Hey that's very nice. I admire you for being so firm with what you stand on (sticking to 98SE and resisting upgrading to others) I know each time any of the new comes out, I try to update, because all my other software (specially if new) becomes quite annoying in between the system I am using (MSN and any other silly applications I run).
Enjoying so many old games, what do you think of Kingdom Heart? :P It is so different from old Sierra games :D (I believe Rosella and Cesar *love* that game)
And just on random more comments about Wii... what weirds me out is the controlling system, but that is what I am looking forward to try, I guess. More than any game in particular, although I have read some review of some reaaally new original games which get me curious, indeed!
I'm incredibly hyped for the launch now. Nintendo have REALLY got their act together with the Wii. Heres my most prized features:
- 1st Party Games region free!!!!!!!! Seeing as most of you are in America or there abouts this isn't much of a big deal but for us Europeans who get games a good 3 to 6 months later than you (and in some cases when dealing with Japanese games NEVER) this is really positive news :]
- Wii Channels! Free channels which are constantly updated with news and weather reports as well as a cool sounding Flickr/myspace channel where you can post photos and comment on others photos etc.
- Mii - Create your own avatar to use for online purposes which is totally customisable. Here's hoping for some kind of face mapping software update for this before long!
- Zelda ON LAUNCH. nuff said ;p
Loads more but these new features have been a big shock for me and its shaping up to be a really amazing console *gush gush gush*
W00T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THE WII!!!!!!!!!! For americans like myself, it will be out on November 19th, for $250. For europe it's december sometime for I believe 179 euro or something. Don't ask about Japan, because I have no idea.... I am so getting Twilight Princess! (why else would I reserve it?)
The Wii is going for $499.99AU here. Roughly $376.20US, so I won't be getting it. :-\
Sigh PAL territories always get screwed over by Nintendo :( its £170 here which is $426 AU so its not too much difference. Still I'm still holding out for a pre release pricedrop! The gamecube was supposed to be £150 here but launched at £129.99.
Wow! PAL territories do get screwed over, rather unfortunate but ah well. I'll just wait 12 months or so before getting one, I guess.
I have changed my mind and think that the wii has the most potential and even enough potential to launch Nintendo into the #1 spot followed by Microsoft and in last place Sony.
Errrm, care to share why your views changed?
I'm going to have to wait till after xmas to get one now, no way I'm going to have enough money unfortunately :( plus theres still that price drop to hope for!
A user has to buy the ultimate PS3 which will cost about $600 to have the backwards compatibility. --- Lots of money
I have heard a great deal about Digital Rights Management and how it will be used extensively on Blue Ray --- this will limit user's copying ability and other stuff that will affect the user's experience
I read in Game Informer that Sony does not really have a good strategy yet with gaming companies on the Playstation 3 and the release date is in November and it is already October.
Sony has lost user's trust by putting spyware/rootkit/baddies on music cd that affected user's computers
I believe the Wii will do extremely well. Everyone I know is getting one (that's why I'm NOT getting one, at least not yet =P). The trick here is innovation and money.
It's been a while since the gaming world has seen any console upgrade other than BETTER GRAPHICS (YAY!), FASTER SPEED (AWESOME!), and MORE DISK SPACE (WOOHOO!). While this "type" of controller has been attempted in the past (an independent handheld game by Microsoft no less...I'd be surprised if anyone else remembers that because it was a LOOOONG time ago), the difference between then and Now is how many games are going to utilize the controller.
While this is cool and all, the most important factor on everybody's mind--not just the average consumer's--is, "How much will it cost me?" Nintendo...wins.
The average consumers are going to jump on this newfangled technology especially because of its cheaper price.
If Nintendo keeps up the pace and advertises the Wii correctly, I'm absolutely sure it will come out on top this time.
While I commend Sony for creating all the technology for the PS3, I won't be buying one until it gets way cheaper. And I'm a PS2 junkie... I'd just rather upgrade my PC with $600 than buy a PS3 for $600 that I'm only going to play maybe 2 games on (Metal Gear Solid 4 and any Final Fantasy game that comes along).
Also, can anyone say, THE TWILIGHT PRINCESS?! YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
EDIT 1: Whoops! As for the original question...it all depends on game developers. If we want it, we will make it happen.
EDIT 2: And it's around that time when the people who used to LOVE adventure games are now regular video game consumers. I'm sure there's a better chance now than later.