It preserved most of the KQ elements.
Good puzzles: (including some classic KQ puzzles that are completley nonsensical) though I realize there weren't too many.
Humor: I actually think MOE is one of the funniest KQs, especially King Mudge.
Not a member of the Royal Family: eh, it would have been fine with me if we knew a little bit more about Connor
I guess the only thing that really ticked me off was the ending, didn't give any closure whatsoever, which I think is why fans dislike MOE so much.
But I enjoyed it. And thats what counts right?
Right?
Yeah, right.
Go play some classic King's Quest or Quest for Glory(including Dragon Fire), then tell us if you still think MOE has humor.
Furthermore, there was a lot of fighting when King's Quest is SUPPOSED to be entirely about puzzle-solving, whereas Quest For Gloy has about half of both.
Quote from: Boogeyman on March 24, 2007, 01:54:31 AM
Yeah, right.
Go play some classic King's Quest or Quest for Glory(including Dragon Fire), then tell us if you still think MOE has humor.
Furthermore, there was a lot of fighting when King's Quest is SUPPOSED to be entirely about puzzle-solving, whereas Quest For Gloy has about half of both.
Just my opinion, but I didn't find KQs 1-4 too funny, in fact I never really cared for them. But this might be because I started with KQ6, at which all games look worse by comparison.
I can understand the upset about figthing in the game. But I could never really blame Sierra, America just doesn't care for Adventure games anymore.
Well, the Final Fantasy series still seem to be popular and I consider that a type of adventure game although it might fall more under the role playing type of game.
Final Fantasy is definately Role-Playing.
Quote from: dew7 on March 24, 2007, 01:41:01 PM
Well, the Final Fantasy series still seem to be popular and I consider that a type of adventure game although it might fall more under the role playing type of game.
Far from adventure...
Not too far from adventure according to Wikipedia: ::)
"Although traditional adventure games are rare today, action-adventure games that combine elements of adventure games with action games are quite common. There are also similarities between adventure and role-playing games, particularly those in a more modern, story- and character-based mold. Computer role-playing games in this vein have been published more frequently since the success of Baldur's Gate in 1998, and console role-playing games have generally been quite focused on plot and story, thanks in part to the success of the Final Fantasy series. In 2005, Indigo Prophecy (titled "Fahrenheit" outside of the US and Canada) was released by Quantic Dream. An adventure game with a highly-original interface, many believe that the game will help renew interest in the adventure game genre."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_games
Quote from: dew7 on March 25, 2007, 10:43:48 PM
Not too far from adventure according to Wikipedia: ::)
"Although traditional adventure games are rare today, action-adventure games that combine elements of adventure games with action games are quite common. There are also similarities between adventure and role-playing games, particularly those in a more modern, story- and character-based mold. Computer role-playing games in this vein have been published more frequently since the success of Baldur's Gate in 1998, and console role-playing games have generally been quite focused on plot and story, thanks in part to the success of the Final Fantasy series. In 2005, Indigo Prophecy (titled "Fahrenheit" outside of the US and Canada) was released by Quantic Dream. An adventure game with a highly-original interface, many believe that the game will help renew interest in the adventure game genre."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_games
Yes but Wikipedia isn't always too reliable. Also note it said RPGs that are based on Story and Character are like adventure games, whereas Final Fantasy is based on story and plot.
Okay, I will give you that -- ;)
Anyway, I feel that MOE was a disappointment to true King's Quest fans since it was so different from the previous King's Quest games. It did not feel like a true adventure game.
Did not feel like, cause it definately wasn't. I got to whichever area it is with loads of skeletons (sorry I forget the name) and gave up on the game. It's a crappy action game with roleplaying and tiny adventure game elements with the King's Quest title on it. I'm sorry, but they should have made it a different title if they wanted to attempt something new, Sierra, but instead it's a blemish on the King's Quest name.
EDIT: Aplogies if I come across as a jerk. I just didn't like this game at all, when it comes to comparing it to other KQ games. I'm not saying anyone isn't allowed to like it :P
Thanks for your input, LN. ;D
Quote from: PirateKingChris on March 26, 2007, 09:23:22 PM
Did not feel like, cause it definately wasn't. I got to whichever area it is with loads of skeletons (sorry I forget the name) and gave up on the game. It's a crappy action game with roleplaying and tiny adventure game elements with the King's Quest title on it. I'm sorry, but they should have made it a different title if they wanted to attempt something new, Sierra, but instead it's a blemish on the King's Quest name.
EDIT: Aplogies if I come across as a jerk. I just didn't like this game at all, when it comes to comparing it to other KQ games. I'm not saying anyone isn't allowed to like it :P
Dimension of Death.
There is no denying that MoE is a blemish on the KQ name, there isn't supposed to be any fighting in King's Quest.
"There is no denying that MoE is a blemish on the KQ name, there isn't supposed to be any fighting in King's Quest."
Absolutely not. I personally think the fighting system they used wasn't very good. QFG5's was better (I'm a fan of all the QFGs).
When was there fighting before MoE in the King's Quest series?
I don't think anyone meant to make it sound like there was.
Well, it looks like the post was removed.
Ah ok. 8)
I was so angry that the series *officially* ended with this game. I had a big problem that it didn't even involve the royal family at all! The game didn't even feel like a real KQ game. There was really nothing about this game, that was in the KQ univers other than the fact that it took place in Daventry. It is because of this that I don't even think Conner should be involved in TSL. Having said all that, because MoE is considered a KQ game I understand why the creators would put him into the game, I just hate that they had to go and ruined that way.
-Lessa
P.S. I know this sounds like a rant and I'm sorry. I do not mean to offend anyone that liked the game. If you like it more power to ya I just wanted to make my feelings known.
Apparently, if I'm remembering this correctly, we're going to love Conner and *gasp* :o hate Alexander. :'(
IIRC, we're going to appreciate Connor and be surprised by Alexander's less-than-heroic actions. ;)
Not even TSL can turn people against any member of the Royal Family. :P
I don't think TSL could ever turn me against Alexander. No matter what he did I could probably rationalize it to myself. And there's definitely no way I could ever like Connor more than Alexander, even if I am one of his defenders. :P
Quote from: Princess Rosella on April 08, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
I was so angry that the series *officially* ended with this game. I had a big problem that it didn't even involve the royal family at all! The game didn't even feel like a real KQ game. There was really nothing about this game, that was in the KQ univers other than the fact that it took place in Daventry. It is because of this that I don't even think Conner should be involved in TSL. Having said all that, because MoE is considered a KQ game I understand why the creators would put him into the game, I just hate that they had to go and ruined that way.
-Lessa
P.S. I know this sounds like a rant and I'm sorry. I do not mean to offend anyone that liked the game. If you like it more power to ya I just wanted to make my feelings known.
Don't worry Lessa I think you're in the majority there. (Though I haven't played it yet. Someday I hope too.)
Humm... Lessa? Any relation to Dragon's of Pern?
And most of all Welcome Lessa! :D I hope you stay a while.
Quote from: Rosella on April 08, 2007, 08:40:27 PM
IIRC, we're going to appreciate Connor and be surprised by Alexander's less-than-heroic actions. ;)
Cool, Alexander is more like me. :P
Quote from: tessspoon on April 08, 2007, 08:48:52 PM
I don't think TSL could ever turn me against Alexander. No matter what he did I could probably rationalize it to myself.
I think that's the point. Alexander's actions are, if not completely moral, explained by the upbringing he had. He may become a darker character, but I don't think he's really evil. :P
Quote from: Rosella on April 08, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
but I don't think he's really evil. :P
:o Don't even suggest such a thing! ::)
Course, he was brought up by an evil wizard. :P We know he's tempted by darkness. My guess is that he's going to use some sort of evil magic and/or magic for an evil purpose. Or not even really evil, just misguided or because he thinks he has no choice or something like that.
I think he's going to summon a demonic, really evil-looking doorstop!
Quote from: PirateKingChris on April 08, 2007, 10:07:56 PM
I think he's going to summon a demonic, really evil-looking doorstop!
lol! Yes! Murray in TSL! XD
I don't get it, but I'm highly amused anyway. XD I know, I've never played Monkey Island, for shame. :P
And I wouldn't even say tempted by darkness, I just would say that he has a TERRIBLY dark past and knew a lot of hatred and malice and not a lot of compassion. He'd give up his life for Cassima, but I'm sure he doesn't think he'd be worthy enough if the situation were reversed. He doesn't even really know the family he's supposed to have and be able to trust (especially not now that he lives on another continent.) He has a broken soul that's just beginning to heal, I think.
Of course, I know no more about it than you guys do. XD
And this should probably be moved to another thread... :P
My dad likes MoE a lot. I have a problem in that you can die all TOO easily. And there were previous KQ games in which "fighting" was involved. In the end of KQVI, you have to fight alhazred for a split second or something. It's mainly quick thinking, but still could be considered fighting... I think the idea of a having a non-royal family member is unique, but they didn't do it correctly. What I would love to see is Roberta's original MoE game turn into a real game. Her vision is radically different than the end product, and it would be marvalous if someone, even a fan of some kind, could re-tell the story from her view point. They would of course have to talk to Roberta, get her consent, and probably VG's as well, but in the end, seeing MoE as originally envisioned would be a blessing. I know that such conjecture is futile (wow, I just took that from Myst, didn't I? XD), but we can all dream, right? I do like the idea of the half-stone wizard though. He was pretty cool. I think it was inevitable that the royal family would eventually encounter some kind of catastrophic event like getting the entire kingdom frozen in stone. It makes for good gameplay. The Dimension of Death was the buggiest level in the game. My dad had to order at least two replacements, which all froze at the same point: The skull shelf puzzle thingie. Then, a few years ago, we found a MoE in EB Games that worked... Go figure... Connor certainly does have some VERY interesting quotes though... "Tis beyond my reach!" XD (My FAVORITE! XD) I'll be quiet now... XD
Quote from: Rosella on April 08, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
And I wouldn't even say tempted by darkness, I just would say that he has a TERRIBLY dark past and knew a lot of hatred and malice and not a lot of compassion. He'd give up his life for Cassima, but I'm sure he doesn't think he'd be worthy enough if the situation were reversed. He doesn't even really know the family he's supposed to have and be able to trust (especially not now that he lives on another continent.) He has a broken soul that's just beginning to heal, I think.
I just got "tempted by darkness" from his first wallpaper. :P
It must have been hard for them to let Alexander become King and move to the Green Isles, they had just gotten him back, what a couple of years ago?, and then he's gone again. Even if Shamir can transport them whenever they want, it must have been difficult to have let him move to a country across the world.
Gah, this discussion is making me want to be able to play it soo bad...
Quote from: Rosella on April 08, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
And this should probably be moved to another thread... :P
Pretty much my thought two posts ago. :P
Quote from: tessspoon on April 08, 2007, 05:39:42 PM
Apparently, if I'm remembering this correctly, we're going to love Conner and *gasp* :o hate Alexander. :'(
Why all the hate. ???
I just want to love all of King's Quest. :'(
Like I said, I think we will. :P The characters will be darker, not all shiny happy selfless, noble and wheeeee "everything's perfect."
In short, this game will feature humans. ;)
Quote from: Shades2585 on April 08, 2007, 09:01:09 PM
Humm... Lessa? Any relation to Dragon's of Pern?
And most of all Welcome Lessa! :D I hope you stay a while.
I believe it is. My dad got the name from a book and I think that was part of it. And thanks for the welcome!
QuoteAnd there were previous KQ games in which "fighting" was involved. In the end of KQVI, you have to fight alhazred for a split second or something. It's mainly quick thinking, but still could be considered fighting...
Be that as it may, that is still not the kinda of fighting that MoE has which is just like a FPS(first person shooter) with swords instead of guns.
QuoteIIRC, we're going to appreciate Connor and be surprised by Alexander's less-than-heroic actions.;)
Not even TSL can turn people against any member of the Royal Family.:P
I don't think they are ever going to make me appreciate Conner because I feel he shouldn't be involved in the first place, but we shall see. It would be pretty stupid IMO atleast, for TSL to have us turn against a member of the Royal Family, espeacially if it s during the time you play as him, who would want to play as a character that you didn't really like (ie MoE).
It would be interesting to see Alexander as a "darker" character. Add a little bit of a suprise in the mix with that to keep us interested. I'm not talking dark as in evil, I'm talking more dark as in mysterious like we don't really know what hes thinking in the game that would be cool.
-Lessa
P.S. where did you guys get this info? Or is it just speckualtion on your part? If not any info on how Rosella is going to be?
Finally found the post I was looking for:
Quote
I have the feeling people are going to love Connor and hate Alexander...
Actually, not a feeling. I know why Tongue But I ain't telling
MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Suffer! Suffer! Suffer! Suffer! Suffer!
From Cesar on December 15, 2003, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Princess Rosella on April 09, 2007, 04:47:28 PM
P.S. where did you guys get this info? Or is it just speculation on your part? If not any info on how Rosella is going to be?
Part speculation, part bits of stuff picked up around the forum and in the official chats. There is info on Rosella, I'll try and find it and link it.
Here's the major one that I remember: Rosella (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=2303.msg99756#msg99756)
Quote from: tessspoon on April 09, 2007, 05:25:20 PMHere's the major one that I remember: Rosella (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=2303.msg99756#msg99756)
I have to say that I never really saw Rosella the way Caeser discribed her. In KQ7 I think the reason that she wasn't to concerned about her mother was becasue things kept coming up and she learn to care for the other characters like King Otar and trying to figure out what exactly Malicia was planning she got swept up in the adenture and just focused on that. You also got to remember that she didn't know that her mother was even in the same situation until near the end of the game when she comes to Falderal and the Arch-Duke tells her and this IMO just makes her want to stop Malicia and make sure that both her and her mother get out of the situation alive. I think she really started to grow up and become her own person without her parents influence becasue she decided to go on this adventure and just focus on how to stop the evil that was happening.
-Lessa
Of course she cares about other people. The thing is, caring and being selfless are two different things. She enjoys helping people and she likes their being happy, but a main reason I think she does it is because she loves the adventure. She just goes about things in less than fully mature ways. Instead of talking to her family, or even letting them know she was going, Rosella follows this random fairy to Tamir. Though it was done to save her father, it was done recklessly, and could have caused her family a LOT of pain. I also realize that Genesta didn't give her much time to choose, but she could have left/screamed some sort of note. :P
In KQ7, instead of talking trying to maturely talk about how she felt with her mother (since "But MOTHER, I wanna have fun" doesn't really count as mature conversation, ;)) she just did what she wanted to do. Again, this put her family in a situation where they could have been in a lot of pain. Bad things could happen to her, but she doesn't seem to care. :P She probably wants to live up to her father. She wants to live this life of adventure she's heard him talk about. The worst part for her was that because her brother was kidnapped, she was raised in a very protective environment. She didn't have the opportunity to do what she wanted, so when she sees the chance, she goes for it. She's a VERY able and intelligent girl, so she's gotten out of it alright. In fact, she's probably a bit confused on why her family worries about her. She KNOWS she can handle it. :P The problem is, she can't handle everything, and she doesn't know it. :P I have little doubt she will get into a situation in TSL where she finds this out. She got a taste of it in KQ4 when Lolotte locked her up, but I'm sure she thought she could get out of it somehow, even if Edgar didn't show up.
Basically, she's a good person. She cares about people; she's smart, and she is very confident. The problem is that she needs to be a bit more mature and handle things the "right" way, which she knows about, but SO doesn't think is important. :P
Of course, this is why I relate to her. ;)
EDIT: She does NOT want anyone to get hurt, but she may do things semi-intentionally but not-obvious-enough-for-anyone-to-accuse-her-of-doing-it-intentionally that DO end up hurting people. :P
Rosella I don't think we are in a disagreement here. I was just trying to say that she needs to make those "less than mature" decisions without her parents influence in order to become her own person. In every persons life there is a time when they have to go out into the world without help or discussion with your parents and make your own decisions about life, going on these little adventures by herself is her way of doing that. I agree that she could have handle both situations better, but I think that comes a point where her parents have to stop worrying so much and trust that she can handle herself and just let live her life and let her learn these things on her own.
-Lessa