yet I have nothing to add to this thread, I find it quite interesting, and I liked a lot alice in wonderland a lot :P
I even played the creepy pc game they made years ago like 3 times :P when alice was mental and she was psycho and stuff :D! <3!!!
They played Alice in Wonderland in KQ7. The intro was so Alice, and Rosella even looked like her, they both had a bluew dress.
The Magic Bowl was actually based on a fairy tale? Wow, I don't think I've heard of that one before. :D
Yeah, but I'm not sure about the name, and I can't find the story itself :-[
However, I did find many other tales with a magical bowl in them, for example, an Indian one (http://www.indolink.com/Kidz/magicBowl.html) and a even a Jewish one (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:XbimNpivdsYJ:daffodils.scream.org/9802.html+%22magic+bowl%22+story&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) ;)
Quote from: Storm on November 28, 2003, 02:47:36 AM
That just goes to show how much KQ7 takes after Disney ;)
Not really... I suppose the animation yes but Disney didn't create Alice in Wonderland you know... ;) They only interpreted it.
True, Bushie!
If you can ever get ahold of Ralph Steadman's interpretation of Alice, it's so twisted and wonderful :3
Well, I assumed Cesar was talking about the Disney movie, as he referred to Alice's looks and her blue dress (did the book mention the color of her dress? I can't recall) ;)
OK... no complaints about the list yet - So far so good :D
Here's the KQ2 list:
- Dracula - Bram Stoker's Dracula
- Mermaid - The little mermaid (et al)
- Neptune - Roman mythology
- Red, grandma, wolf - Little red riding hood
- Genie & flying carpet - A thousand nights and one night
(aka "Arabian nights")
- Golden fish - Tale of the Fisherman and the Goldfish
- Nightingale - The Emperor and the Nightingale
Other fairytale elements:
- Girl imprisoned in a tower (ie. Rapunzel)
- Man-eating crone (ie. Baba Yaga)
- Dwarf, Sorcerer
- Fairy godmother
I am pretty zarking sure that neither of the books in Alice's story mentioned the color of her dress, and the illustrations were in black and white. She definitely had a bow-less headband in her hair, though. Of course, a former mathematician couldn't really be expected to dwell on such small details...even a left handed one.
And I always thought that the portal in the pool was the generic gateway to The Other World, the fairy realm, the cusp between realms, Joseph Campbell and all that jazz...then someone said that he thought it was based on a Disney movie.
Akril
...WAIT!!!! Dinah's kitten in Through the Looking Glass -- the one who's the Red Queen in the Looking Glass World -- is BLACK...and the cat in KQ7 is black too!!! Good golly gosh, I was so totally wrong! KQ7 is SO based on that Disney movie! Why didn't I notice that before!?
Hey, we're not up to KQ7 yet ;)
No comments about the list? I'll proceed with the list then. This one is for KQ3 - not as many direct references though, so I'll settle for just one list:
- The three bears - Goldilocks and the three bears
- Medusa - Greek mythology
- Oracle - Greek mythology (though not as obscure...)
- Pirates & treasure - about every pirate story
- Abominable snowman - Himalayan myth
- Gnome, wizard
- Three-headed dragon kidnapping princess
Alright, we're up to KQ4... plenty of those there
- 7 dwarves - Snow white and the 7 dwarves
- Fisherman & wife - The fisherman and the golden fish
- Pan, cupid, Pandora's box - Greek mythology
- 3 hags with eye (Graeae - The grey sisters) - Perseus and the gorgon Medusa (Greek mythology)
- Ogres with hen laying golen eggs - Jack and the beanstalk
- Being swallowed by whale - Pinocchio
- The whole "finding a magical fruit to save someone ill" theme - I don't know if it's an actual fairytale, but I do recall a story like that called "The golden heart flower".
Wow! Cool list! I'll let you finish it Storm..intead of doing it myself (unless you want me too...)
Takarifreak -
Feel free to list away... why should I do all the work? ;)
Katie -
I left out the "Frog Prince" part just to see if anyone would notice. And it worked! ;D
/me rubs hands contentedly
;D
Well, I can do kq 6 and 7 i suppose, but I've only played through kq 5 once, so i dont know it all that well..and we have to preserve the order!
I forgot about the Bottle Genie... That's 1000 nights and one night as well IIRC. As opposed to the genie of the lamp, the bottle genie isn't a slave to his master and he usually wants to kill the one who released him 8)
Any precedence to those gnomes?
I actually was reminded of a traditional story of five blind men who find an elephant, and each feels a different part of it and each one thinks that the foreign "object" is something different. One feels the ear and thinks it is a fan, one feels the trunk and thinks it is a snake, one feels the tail and thinks it is a rope.
Thats my best guess. The story might have been subliminal inspiration.
Akril
I know that one as well :)
Akril -
I was hoping you could do the list of the KQ7 fairytales, with it being your favorite and me not wanting to do ALL the lists by my lonesome self... How about it? ;)
Quote from: Storm on January 02, 2004, 05:39:30 PM
- Isle of the beast, beauty & beast - Beauty and the beast
Speaking of which... anyone else see the niftiness of the fact that KQVI has a beauty and the beast story in it, and the voice of Alexander in that particular game is done by the same guy who voiced the beast for Disney's Beauty and the Beast?
Yes, that is pretty nifty. I did like that film... And KQ6, of course ;)
Quote from: StephieSama on January 10, 2004, 11:26:11 PM
Speaking of which... anyone else see the niftiness of the fact that KQVI has a beauty and the beast story in it, and the voice of Alexander in that particular game is done by the same guy who voiced the beast for Disney's Beauty and the Beast?
Interesting. I never knew that! Heh, I wonder if he was giving the dude who voiced the beast in the game some pointers. :P
Quote from: StephieSama on January 10, 2004, 11:26:11 PMSpeaking of which... anyone else see the niftiness of the fact that KQVI has a beauty and the beast story in it, and the voice of Alexander in that particular game is done by the same guy who voiced the beast for Disney's Beauty and the Beast?
Very much noticed. Nifty indeed ;D
But I liked his voice much better in KQVI :D
Quote from: Storm on January 11, 2004, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: StephieSama on January 10, 2004, 11:26:11 PMSpeaking of which... anyone else see the niftiness of the fact that KQVI has a beauty and the beast story in it, and the voice of Alexander in that particular game is done by the same guy who voiced the beast for Disney's Beauty and the Beast?
Very much noticed. Nifty indeed ;D
But I liked his voice much better in KQVI :D
Agreed. ;D
Geez, and I thought I was being thorough... don't think I would have caught half of those. ;D
Oh, what about the chicken petit (is that her name?), the one that says "the sky is falling"? is that a mother goose referance (I don't really know mother goose... just thought I heard that somewhere)? :-\
There's one fairytale I see missing there, or a tale...
Alice in Wonderland.
The intro is SOOOO it.
Quote from: Storm on January 12, 2004, 09:17:41 PMOh, what about the chicken petit (is that her name?), the one that says "the sky is falling"? is that a mother goose referance (I don't really know mother goose... just thought I heard that somewhere)? :-\
I don't know about Mother Goose precisely, but Chicken Little is definitely a children's story, and it does involve lots of usage of the phrase "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!".
Peace & Luv, Liz
Wow!! Im-press-ive!! Go Akril go!
Hee! ;D
Yup, there is the Chicken Little fable of the sky is falling. Hmm...can I think of any others.... well, the cornucopia/horn of plenty is definitely from Greek/Roman myths as well, of course. The Boogey Man, well, wherever that began, is well-known as the tale to scare kids and so forth.
brain not fully working right now, but akril definitely got most of 'em!
Quote from: Akril on January 14, 2004, 01:39:09 PMQuoteThere's one fairytale I see missing there, or a tale...
Alice in Wonderland.
The intro is SOOOO it.
"If the king at noonday says, 'It is night' -- behold the stars."
Hey, it's not that far-fetched. There's some similarity - Rosella/Alice jumps into a magical pool/rabbit hole simply because she's bored and inquisitive, and arrives at a magical world ;)
Besides, Cesar is no king - he's more like a servant. After all, we got him working for us :suffer:
I'm sorry, but that is the basic framework of many, many stories. Bored teenager/young person wants to get away from his home/family, leaves in search of adventure, encounters a messenger that acts as a catalyst, encouraging him, and in most cases, he steps into another realm, or encounters a being from that other world.
(By the way, have any of us even READ AiW?)
Akril
The fact that there are many stories like that doesn't make it untrue... and since Alice was written so long ago, you might say those stories were inspired by it as well 8)
And yes, I did read Alice in Wonderland many years ago, when I was little. As I recall, I found it rather tedious :P
I quite enjoyed Alice in Wonderland and its sequel. ;D I love crazy logic. ;D
Well,it bears more specific resemblances to AiW than many do. A very particular creature that she follows, falling into something very rabbit-hole-esque, and having been in the woods to begin with when it happened, escaping a conversation she was in particular bored with.
Also, I think Rosella's personality in much of that game is kind of like Alice's (my own perceptions, btw, are more from the movie than book), the type that wants more books with only pictures and so forth.
I think that "finding a needle in a haystack" is from a fairy tale. I don't know which.
I thought so too... but all I could remember for certain was fairytales where ants assisted the hero by sorting grains or something like that :-\, So I put it in a more general category 8)
In KQ1, the wolf represents Peter and the Wolf? Just a guess...