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Title: Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 06, 2004, 12:48:36 AM
 ??? ???
   I have not read how the job interviews went?  Tierra has already released two free games and this site has yet to come out with one.  All in all, I am disappointed and I am starting to wonder if this game will ever be released.
:(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on February 06, 2004, 12:57:35 AM
Had we decided to use Tierra's interface and graphics, this game would have been released a long while ago. However, because we are a full 3D game, with the best graphical quality we can give, it'll take us longer.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 06, 2004, 01:19:28 AM
hey dew! welcome to our forums :)

I got a question and some answers for you ;)
what interview are you talking about?

and about tierra being compared to us, all I can say is that you can't compare the game production of them as the one we handle, we have a team of over 40 people just for a reason that we work like a company, it is a big production, as well as to remain this adhonores, what I mean its that we are working on a 3d engine with crystal space, with a complete indepth plot, very unlike what Tierra has released so far, plus even though compared we haven't released the game yet we've appeared in many magazines already, we have a mision and a vision, team goals, Im sorry to say that we haven't released the game yet, but meanwhile we have a promotion development as well as to keep the community growing :), my advice is hang in there, feel free to comment with us your expectations about it,  can't say much but dont lose hope :)

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 06, 2004, 08:00:19 PM
   I am talking about on your main page you are talking about job interviews on January 10.  It is now February 6 and you have not updated the site with any new information on how the job fare went?   Dazzed and Confused?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 07, 2004, 02:23:33 AM
We haven't actually got to the point to take that promo down and publish as you say the information regarding that event since we are currently extremely busy with other things, PR and Web are constantly working since our deadlines are shorter compared to the game development, and as Neil said, it was an audition to cast some of the main voice overs for the game, It wasn't in any point a "job", if you are intersted in jobs though I suggest you go take a look in the join http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/team/positions.php part of our site, at the moment we have a bigger production going on that's why I haven't been able to take down the promos, but I've kept everyone informed about this on the voice over's audition info on the general thread, I gladly recommend you to go read it. And Im not dazzled and confused, Im senile <3.

EDIT (By Yonkey): Fixed the link  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 07, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
Thanks for replying.  :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 08, 2004, 08:05:23 AM
you are welcome!

and omfgthnxneil <3
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: FalconCA on February 10, 2004, 04:34:06 PM
 :) Let me just start off with a short version of "this is my first post". there done...

I wanna congratulate this superb team on the progress so far. Demands can be annoying, but I want you all to know that the fans that don't post... the ones that check back every so often to see how things are... we appreciate the anticipation... the anxiety... the hope you give us. I also want to thank the forum denizens.... for constantly motivating this team, and helping them stick to their high  standards and not settling for a quick release. A huge part of me would love to be a part of this... the first time i found this web site (after a day of sadly looking back at the King's Quest conclusion with Mask of Eternity and the direction gaming was going)... I wanted to join up.. apply for a position.. be a programmer like i always wanted to be. But alas... my journey has taken me to a world of networking... and i have no time and nothing to offer but my support. Keep up the exellent work... and remember... the fans aren't only in this forum... we're out here... waiting.. anticipating. Personally...... I need that closure.

Thanks,
Francis Vita
Verizon Network Technician
Adventure Gamer for life



Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: uselessidguy331 on February 10, 2004, 04:41:26 PM
How's the "encyclopedia" section coming along? The only thing I'm anticipating more than it is the game itself lol.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 10, 2004, 04:56:51 PM
Welcome FalconCA!  ;D

I also want to thank the forum denizens.... for constantly motivating this team, and helping them stick to their high standards and not settling for a quick release.

"Motivating" :D
That sounds good. Much better than "nagging" ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on February 10, 2004, 05:00:17 PM
Welcome Francis!  

And thanks for posting such an inspiring post.   :)  With fans out there like you, it makes us all feel what we're doing is worth it! :D

It's a shame you won't be able to join our team, but your confidence more than makes up for it.   :)

There are a lot of major KQ9 plans happening this year, so hang in there!  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on February 10, 2004, 08:23:50 PM
Welcome Falcon! ;D

Nice to hear you're all for the project, we appreciate the support. We have some great stuff for all you fans. :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 11, 2004, 06:06:56 AM
:) Let me just start off with a short version of "this is my first post". there done...

I wanna congratulate this superb team on the progress so far. Demands can be annoying, but I want you all to know that the fans that don't post... the ones that check back every so often to see how things are... we appreciate the anticipation... the anxiety... the hope you give us. I also want to thank the forum denizens.... for constantly motivating this team, and helping them stick to their high  standards and not settling for a quick release. A huge part of me would love to be a part of this... the first time i found this web site (after a day of sadly looking back at the King's Quest conclusion with Mask of Eternity and the direction gaming was going)... I wanted to join up.. apply for a position.. be a programmer like i always wanted to be. But alas... my journey has taken me to a world of networking... and i have no time and nothing to offer but my support. Keep up the exellent work... and remember... the fans aren't only in this forum... we're out here... waiting.. anticipating. Personally...... I need that closure.

Thanks,
Francis Vita
Verizon Network Technician
Adventure Gamer for life

Well, thank you Francis, you've said something amazingly true, about how much of a push fans are, and how meaningful this comments are for us, specially for me, there is also another part that usually happens inside the very own team, as for there is the amazing experience to work with such talented team, they are just not fans but each one of the directors as well as team members are professionals in their area and specialization has made this team unique indeed, I wasnt a kq fan myself when I entered this team, but this is certainly big and beautiful as to not to wish to be part of, now it's been over 2 years and Im a kq9 groupie hahaha.

You may think you cant commit right now to be a member, but if you ever feel you would be up to it apply again! we always look for new talent, and even more fans are always welcome here. Anyhow kq9 community just keeps growing, and consider yourself welcome in the kq9 family :D

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 13, 2004, 05:15:03 PM
lol cesar, you sound like a happy dad :P <3
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 13, 2004, 08:31:56 PM
Yeah, Cesar should be handing out cigars at the game's release party  :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 13, 2004, 09:35:36 PM
How's the "encyclopedia" section coming along? The only thing I'm anticipating more than it is the game itself lol.

I cant believe I didnt see this post Im so sorry!
the encyclopedia status is incompleted even way back than what I can recall, as I take over that project I will let you know, at the moments I have other priorities :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 14, 2004, 09:32:05 AM
What is exactly the problem then? neither Dean, or Neil or myself or anyone else in my team is qualified to "complete" writting the encyclopedia even though if we would liked to

Why aren't you "qualified"? ???
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 14, 2004, 04:36:29 PM
as much as i would like to "complete to write it", its the same as if you asked a programmer to do a wallpaper or something... lol you get the idea? I mean, this team specialization is a must, even though you may know a bit of each (like directors) you do get to respect each department's skills, I would put it together online, but I wouldnt write it, that responsability does not belongs to my web nor pr department.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 15, 2004, 08:37:42 AM
So, what you're basically saying here is "none of us in PR can write as well as the people on the writing team" ;) Perfectly understandable, only it probably means we won't be seeing the encyclopedia before the plot is all done - it's obvious what the priorities should be  :P

Anyhow, the reason I was asking is that for a moment I was tempted to volunteer myself to do it - after all, I have extensive knowledge of the KQ universe (i.e. I played KQ1-MOE), and since it has little to do with KQ9, I wouldn't have to know anything about its plot. But if it's writing skills you're after... well, all of you (those who bothered, anyway) have already seen how poor my writing skills are  :-[
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 15, 2004, 10:12:03 PM
That sounds actually quite negotiable if you ask me :P
I'll get back to you about this :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 16, 2004, 01:23:28 AM
 :o

   Wowsers!  The new site looks awesome!  I know now that lots of work is getting done!  Do you know what the system requirements will be for your new King's Quest.  I hope it runs on 98SE because that's the operating system, I use!   :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 16, 2004, 07:38:11 AM
thanks dew7!

in fact you should be happy! one of the new features of the site is exactly the kq9 journal where you may find about especifics about the game production spoken directly from the directors, as for your question I believe there is already a thread in programming that speaks about this, you should browse around that part and check it out.

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on February 16, 2004, 02:18:53 PM
I agree, great setup. ;D Still getting used to the inversion of the previous colors though. ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 18, 2004, 06:18:43 PM
and paying the electricity bills

From the KOM manual:

"Q. I've followed the installation instructions, but I'm still not getting any sound. Now that I come to think of it, the screen is black too.... is this normal?

A. Perhaps you should try switching your computer on. If that doesn't work, you might consider looking through all that junk mail at your front door, finding the electricity bill, and paying it! Reconnection is usually fairly quick and, before you know it, you'll be playing Kingdom O'Magic and having a great time!"

Maybe you should include something like that in your manual as well :suffer:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 18, 2004, 08:10:09 PM
hahahah,  is that real? :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 20, 2004, 04:30:35 PM
As real as the game it came with ;)
Of course, it's a parody - there's hardly a serious line in the game OR manual  :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on February 20, 2004, 05:11:16 PM
Oh yeah, I think I saw that game in the store once, I didn't buy it though because I was a bit young at the time and my mom disapproved of such games. :p
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 20, 2004, 10:16:32 PM
ppfft! I played larry when I was like 10 or so lol, my brothers are quite an inspiration to meee <3 not to mention all the kind of gore violent games we own and all the console games and such :) lol, hence my love to  the dark side of games
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on February 21, 2004, 07:44:27 AM
I never had a problem playing any games I wanted to. When my dad was around, when I was younger, I never really knew there was much in the way of PC games other than educational stuff. (I was content playing all the stuff on my dad's monthly program compilation disk subscriptions, anyway.) And for video games all I was really interested in was Atari and Nintendo, both of which had nothing but "clean" games.

By time I became aware of games outside those realms, and potentially "offensive" ones, it was just me and my mom, and my mom knows almost nothing about techie stuff. Plus I've always been intelligent enough to know the difference between reality and fantasy, and not be "scarred" by "mature" games anyway. ;)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 25, 2004, 03:18:18 AM
 :)
   
   I read on this website that kq9 will be ready this year.  Yippee!, I can't wait.  I wonder if it will come out before or after the new QFGII by Tierra?  It is time for sleep now.  ZZZZ
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 25, 2004, 11:00:56 AM
LOL, where did you read that?   ;P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on February 25, 2004, 12:17:49 PM
Yeah, could just as easily be next year, unless we start paying Mike and he gets to quit his day job. ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 25, 2004, 12:31:31 PM
this is for everyone who reads this:

there are no official news or date about the game releasing, untill you hear it from CESAR BITTAR or as default ANY OTHER DIRECTOR, they are all speculations.

thank you very much for your attention, keep on posting and speculating :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on February 26, 2004, 02:09:50 AM
Sooo... Cesar... when is the release date? ;p
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on February 26, 2004, 10:07:58 AM
when it's done ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: AzureVA on February 26, 2004, 12:47:13 PM
mwa!! finally got this site to work!!! ( I saw a post about the auditions on AGS ) it looks fabulous!  I shall definatly have a go if/when you guys open up minor roles online.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 26, 2004, 01:53:07 PM
welcome to our forums AzureVA ! ! ! :D

and dont worry, that's coming ;) (the online auditions)


btw Brr... lol nice try ;P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on February 26, 2004, 01:59:48 PM
mwa!! finally got this site to work!!!

Did you end up trying to visit the site during the time period it was down?

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: AzureVA on February 26, 2004, 02:06:55 PM
hehe well that might have been it.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 26, 2004, 09:43:52 PM
if you ever have an issue or problem with any part of our site please email at webmaster@kq9.org, it all works fine now but just in case ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 27, 2004, 12:38:09 AM
   So we cannot even know what year King's Quest IX will be completed in?    :(
I trust that it will be free from any adware, spyware, keyloggers, etc.   ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 27, 2004, 03:25:54 AM
that's correct, and free to download here of course.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on February 27, 2004, 10:30:25 AM
I trust that it will be free from any adware, spyware, keyloggers, etc.   ;)
LOL!  Of course those won't be in there!  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on February 27, 2004, 07:48:38 PM
There will only be Cesarware in the game.  ;-D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 28, 2004, 12:53:22 AM
   Thanks!  I was really pleased with King's Quest IV because it sounded great with a sound card and had a great introduction.  Any clues that you can give us on the progress so far?  Does anyone know who owns Sierra now?   :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on February 28, 2004, 01:13:48 AM
I'm not sure what you mean exactly...
    We are definitely separate from Sierra, that's for sure. Also, the company doesn't seem to recognize King's Quest anymore at all, really, as Vivendi owns them now and has pretty much cast all adventure games out the window. So I guess Vivendi, the major company, owns Sierra, not any one person. Ken and Roberta Williams are aware that we are working on an unofficial KQ9, though.
    As for progress, I can say we are making excellent progress in terms of art production and other areas, and Mike hopes to start the voice recording soon as well (or at least he hopes to get the dialogues separated from the script) this weekend. Some of the major items are touched upon in our Journal.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 28, 2004, 02:29:20 PM
www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/journal (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/journal) :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 29, 2004, 05:11:00 AM
we work day and night here, as far as I know directors and assistants around here have completly lost the meaning of "social life" lol, we are practically working on this thing as much as possible even daily, its amazing, I will continue nagging... erm I mean, pushing directors to post in the journal :P, so my sugestion is if you are eager to find out progress material and such, keep an eye on the journal, is still new (and they are hard to annoy online! ;P) but they've posted :), its kind of nice they made an overview of whats been going on before journal and such, and I feel quite happy already that I got Chris to post!! :D our very programming director! :P anyhow, to close this idea, here in the forum you may hear rumors and such, journal is just for directors and assistans with big things to share, anyhow, whenever there may be newest post I will let you all know :)
I will keep you all informed of events ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 29, 2004, 02:56:55 PM
Welcome to the forum, AzureVA!  !!!

It's getting hard keeping up with all the new posters! ;B
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 29, 2004, 03:24:10 PM
lol, isnt it great? :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 29, 2004, 03:43:52 PM
Yeah, it's wonderful! ;D except for...

I did not like the art in King's Quest VIII

...having to tell MORE people to call it MOE ;P

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 29, 2004, 06:03:53 PM
   Okay, have it your way --- Mask of Eternity or MOE  ::)  However, since the next King's Quest is King's Quest IX, I thought it would be logical to call MOE, King's Quest VIII   ;D  No Hard Feelings!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 29, 2004, 11:08:59 PM
lol, she's a connor hater so I believe its no biggie :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on March 01, 2004, 01:57:05 AM
   I knew I read about the release date somewhere around here.  In F.A.Q.  (aka Frequently Asked Questions) it says the release date of KQIX should be in 2004.  Any comments or is this just a typo?   ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 01, 2004, 02:07:50 AM
ok dew7 you owned me lol, truth to be told I can't guarantee OR spoil stuff ;P BUT I can tell you hence you are one hell of a smart cookie :P (and did read stuffs not even I did remember, lol) this year there is a lot to look ahead (regarding the game indeed) SO, what I mean is you fans may get something reeeaaaallly interesting :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on March 01, 2004, 02:16:39 AM
...I can't guarantee OR spoil stuff ;P

<Whispering> ...you could IM or mail me, no one has to know ; ) *
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 01, 2004, 01:17:32 PM
omg was that a secsay proposal!? Lol !! :D

whispering + "noone has to know" + grrz :P
BTW I demand to know what the hell does it says down there with my name!! ;P lol, whisper it to meh! ;D "noone has to know" ;).... grrz :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on March 01, 2004, 03:12:24 PM
...perhaps we can make a deal ; )
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 01, 2004, 03:24:11 PM
...blackmail! :o ! !!

ohh secsayness :D <3
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 01, 2004, 03:47:53 PM
omg what is that?!


"Hey, Brrr, you have 1 messages, 1 are new."


:P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on March 01, 2004, 04:33:18 PM
   Thank you for the kind words, Say.  You add much to this forum.  Bye now, I am off to rollerblade, shop and then work. (late shift)   ;-D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 01, 2004, 05:26:36 PM
awwie thanks a lot! :)

I love what I do, Im a workaholic!, cant help it ;P
Im very much glad that you like it cuz this is from us to everyone who is willing to enjoy it :)  <3

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on March 01, 2004, 09:54:29 PM
SAY STOP STALKING THE PEOPLE WITH PVT MESSAGES

:P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on March 02, 2004, 01:01:47 AM
"Hey, Brrr, you have 1 messages, 1 are new."

HEE, how did you knew I've got a new message...

EDIT: ...ohhh, it's yours  ;]  ; )
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 02, 2004, 01:11:13 AM
SAY STOP STALKING THE PEOPLE WITH PVT MESSAGES

:P

LMAO! wtf pooh head!
you are just jealous, because :D

get yourself fans to stalk... so... gna! lol ;P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on March 03, 2004, 12:59:03 AM
   I am looking forward to the next update on this web site.  When do the new updates come out?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 03, 2004, 01:08:30 AM
the big updates are monthly, yet we have weekly updates aka art of the week and weekly poll :]
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: DragonSlyr on March 19, 2004, 04:21:49 PM
ART OF THE WEEK ROCKS!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on March 20, 2004, 07:12:00 AM
aww thanks :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on May 18, 2004, 02:24:41 PM
Thank you so much for your beautiful comments Rosella! and welcome to our forums!

We certainly care for everyone else out there that wanted this to happen and believe in us, this website is a portal for every single one who wants to be part of this community, I invite you to sign up on the newsletter, to check out the flash games, stick around with the forum and enjoy absolutly everything we give out for free around here while we work on the game :)

And again, thank you so much for those words, they mean the world to me and the team :)

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on May 18, 2004, 03:40:37 PM
Welcome Rosella!! ...I agree with you KQ9 will rock!!  :lovegoggles:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on May 19, 2004, 07:33:18 AM
Welocme Rosella !!!
BTW post alot and be frequent ;) :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Rosella on May 19, 2004, 02:31:23 PM
Also, something to add; the whole website is great too. I checked out the flash games before. I loved the KQpong game. But maybe it's just fun to bang Connor's head against sides of the screem. ;D The one single complaint I have is that the Four Winds isn't updated as much as I'd like. I lurked around here for a while and then I stopped coming because nothing was being updated. Then I came back out of curiousity and I found a whole new intro, a whole new layout, lots and lots of whole new features, I was blown away. And then I found out that the project was back up and running. I had to restrain myself from screaming. I know this probably seems like a suck up post after already posting one, it's just that I think you deserve to hear this because of all of the work you've put in here.  :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: MangoMercury on May 19, 2004, 02:51:51 PM
A newbieish person?  Offtopic, but welcome, Rosella!  Also, if you're having avatar problems, why not get an account at photobucket.com and host it there? :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Rosella on May 19, 2004, 03:18:05 PM
Yes, I am a major newbieish person. Thanks for the photobucket tip thing. I think it works now. :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on May 19, 2004, 03:57:16 PM
nice avatar Rosella ; )
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on May 19, 2004, 03:58:48 PM
This means we now have Roberta Williams *and* the fair Princess Rosella herself on these forums... I do feel quite honored. :D

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on May 19, 2004, 05:45:30 PM
hahaha gotta love that avatar :P <3
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Rosella on May 20, 2004, 05:20:09 AM
 ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 31, 2004, 10:14:27 PM
I wouldn't know much about the progress. Phoenix seems quite secretive, and I think that's a good thing.

P.S. I'm talking about not giving out too much information on the plot,features,details.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on June 01, 2004, 02:45:58 AM
OMG IT'S ALL THE PR DIRECTOR'S FAULT!... That bitchz  :o :o lol :P (I meant Dean on this case hahaha ;-D) <3
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on June 01, 2004, 08:10:59 AM
LOL Dean! :suffer: ;P

We're actually right in the middle of evaluating team progress and planning the next phases of the game right now.  The team itself is also undergoing some massive reorganization at the moment.  We've also recently switched to a new groups communication site which so far seems to be looking and working really nice!  ;D

Anyway, once Cesar and I have gone through a few more things, we'll post a progress update.  :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on June 01, 2004, 10:00:06 AM
progress update? does that mean you're going to make an estimation on how much % of the game is finished?? ; )
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on June 01, 2004, 10:20:04 AM
there is still a lot to do, there IS that info obviously, we do handle that at coordination but personally dont expect us sharing such things any moment soon, everyone is far too busy with organization schemes, hr, and this whole movement stuff :P so our priority rather than go publishin that info is to actually manage to all the 8454975 things we must now, obviously.

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on June 01, 2004, 12:19:58 PM
When will you have beta-testing on the finished product and how can I sign up?  :>
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on June 01, 2004, 12:46:07 PM
Beta testing is within the team and its programmers, sorry. :( There are no plans for beta-testing but you can always try helping the team a different way by joining and helping in a certain area.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on June 01, 2004, 03:00:52 PM
there is still a lot to do, there IS that info obviously, we do handle that at coordination but personally dont expect us sharing such things any moment soon, everyone is far too busy with organization schemes, hr, and this whole movement stuff :P so our priority rather than go publishin that info is to actually manage to all the 8454975 things we must now, obviously.

yeah, i know you all are extremely busy, but when Neil said about the progress report... well, i was just curious ; )
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on June 01, 2004, 09:48:05 PM
Yeah, a progress report shows how much work has been completed and how much is left, but of course it's an estimate since it's really hard to know exact percentages.

Also, like Say said, everyone's extremely busy right now so it might be a while before we can determine the status of all assignments, staff and departments.  8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on July 23, 2004, 09:50:19 PM
I noticed in the FAQ that it was changed to 2004-2005 from 2004 -- (rats I was hoping it would be released before the new year in 2005  :(  

   When will it be released?

Game production is slowed because for all of us this is a part-time project. We spend our full time either in school or at work, which limits the amount of time we are able to spend on the project. Because we only started production recently, we hope to release King's Quest IX sometime in 2004-2005. We know many fans we're hoping for sooner but because of the scope of the game, and the amount of detail it will contain we cannot promise any sooner.
 
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on July 24, 2004, 08:37:06 PM
Thanks!  I didn't think anyone notices when I make small updates. ;P  I didn't realise that was why newbies kept saying the game was coming out this year. ;D

I also updated a bit more info on that page as well as fixed some spelling & grammar errors on other pages in that section.  XD
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on July 24, 2004, 08:42:48 PM
I thought you were just doing what most of the big companys do, I added a year when I posted it on the Savage forum.

That was before I joined this forum.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on August 01, 2004, 08:08:11 PM
hey! I do notice when you do updates lol :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 04, 2004, 12:07:17 AM
You are most welcome, Neil.  I think you are great because you have been kind to me and others on this forum.  Keep up the great work!  :>   8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 04, 2004, 04:42:54 AM
Here we go guys!!
*DRUM ROLE!! !! !! !! !! !! !!*

The release date of KQ9 will be............
**Say and Neil Cracks WHIP just in time to stop Grundy!**

 :suffer:
 :suffer:
 :suffer:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on August 04, 2004, 05:50:58 AM
LOL you bum :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on August 04, 2004, 08:28:17 AM
*raises hand*
I agree with Say!!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 04, 2004, 09:13:37 AM
**Say and Neil Cracks WHIP just in time to stop Grundy!**

 :suffer:
 :suffer:
 :suffer:

 :suffer: Actually, I should whip Michael for almost posting it on the forum.  >:(

 ;P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 06, 2004, 02:02:04 AM
KQ IX -- Christmas 2005?

Any hint of when we can have a full motion video clip with full color?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 06, 2004, 05:38:22 AM
Any hint of when we can have a full motion video clip with full color?

 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
 :suffer: :suffer:
 :suffer:
 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:


 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:


Usually the more  :suffer:'s, the closer or more exciting something is!

Did I mention :suffer:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on August 06, 2004, 05:49:20 AM
I... think there's *something* going on... I'm just not sure what it is. (suspicious look)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on August 06, 2004, 07:47:45 AM
I think I'm going to side with Jeysie on this one!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 06, 2004, 10:22:54 AM
I think-  :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:

 XD
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on August 06, 2004, 11:10:48 AM
Jeysie, I think they've been getting excessive use out of the  :suffer: lately...I don't know.  It could be just me. :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on August 09, 2004, 12:33:53 PM
:suffer: Actually, I should whip Michael for almost posting it on the forum.  >:(

 ;P

You mean, there IS a definite release date? and there I thought you were just a little less clueless than us about it :o
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on August 09, 2004, 12:43:40 PM
/me prepares for the suffer smiley to be posted
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 09, 2004, 12:45:01 PM
Yup, and I'm pretty proud of the team for not letting it slip out anywhere yet. :)

It'll be revealed in due time...

 XD
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on August 09, 2004, 12:46:29 PM
Wow...talk about you guys keeping us clueless :P  But we  <3 each and every one of you anyway!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 09, 2004, 03:17:14 PM
Finally, a release date that has not been posted. LOL  ::)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jael on August 14, 2004, 04:47:21 AM
To go with that script which has not been posted, the winning competition entries which have not been posted, and all those extra screenshots which have not been posted. Lol XB ;P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 14, 2004, 05:53:45 PM
The script and winning contest entries will never be posted.  As for the other two...  8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on August 14, 2004, 05:58:13 PM
The script and winning contest entries will never be posted.  As for the other two...  8)

The winning contest entries, won't even be posted after the game is finished?  ???
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 14, 2004, 06:00:17 PM
Not in the forum and not by any of us. :P  They're easter eggs in the games, so it's up to you to find them.  XD
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on August 14, 2004, 06:06:15 PM
Not in the forum and not by any of us. :P  They're easter eggs in the games, so it's up to you to find them.  XD

So... I could post them(if nobody else does first)?  !!!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 14, 2004, 06:07:48 PM
If you're the first to find them then sure!  When the game's released, there will be a specific section of the forum designed for the game and spoilers. :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 14, 2004, 08:00:57 PM
Cool! Even I didn't know all that!  :o

( The secret of how they keep all this stuff in the team... 'Don't tell Grundy' ) ;P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 16, 2004, 03:54:59 PM
I can't imagine that you are that poor in keeping secrets, grundy.  When will more journal updates be released?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 16, 2004, 05:57:22 PM
Actually, I'm the best person at keeping secrets!
My memory is so bad, that by the end of a sentance,  I have usually forgotten it.   ;)

And no, I don't give away secrets either.

Now that I think about it, when the team had a crazy chat on MSN, and Mike posted it in the 'We're in Haven' area, I was the only person who said...
"Hey guys, we need to edit that, it has the release date in it."   ;B

( Sorry guys! )
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on August 16, 2004, 06:50:33 PM
So it was YOUR fault!! >:(

Although, I'm sure that Say and Neil would have killed whoever posted it first!  So you probably saved that person's life :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 17, 2004, 03:14:06 PM
To have just a playable demo released for all -- now that would be sooo sweet.  :>   ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Pwincess on August 18, 2004, 03:49:07 AM
Personally, I would rather wait patiently and trust you to make the most amazing KQ game ever!

I certainly hope that you guys aren't going to waste time making a demo, since that will halt the production of KQ9 by 3-6 months.  

Anyway, that's just my opinion...

*steps down from soapbox*
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 18, 2004, 11:06:11 AM
I certainly hope that you guys aren't going to waste time making a demo, since that will halt the production of KQ9 by 3-6 months.  

Since I've recently become the Programming Director, I'll answer this directly.  Making a demo/prototype isn't a waste of time, it's a necessary part of software development.  Not to mention, the programming department only works with demos and builds of the game, so there's no way they halt production.

A public demo might consist of 1 or 2 scenes in a chapter where you can solve maybe 1 or 2 puzzles.  The goal is to see how well the game works on different system configurations, as well as people getting a slight feel for the game and how it works. 8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 18, 2004, 02:37:08 PM
Neil, will you be willing to give us a demo release date or any more hints as to how progress in the game is going? Please!   ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on August 18, 2004, 04:35:50 PM
You can wink at him all you want but there is no way he's going to spoil that info here yet :P

About the journal, you're right! Im going to see if we can have some cool info around there any moment soon, everyone's been so busy it's been hard to keep up with everything but that's only good news. On more good news I dont know if it's been officially stated around here but Allert became Assistant Director (as well as Michael Fortunato is) on the art department, so you may have another who may give you some cool insights of what's going on ;) As well as there is Chris R (kuddos to our new Music Director) who may as well be called to fill in some progress reports on the music department ;)

And for those who didn't know Jon is officialy the sweetheart of the team (watch out Cesar he may get you out of the way as fav :P lol), and whoever who messes up with him will have to deal with the wrath of those plenty who do love him :) <3
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 18, 2004, 05:25:09 PM
And for those who didn't know Jon is officialy the sweetheart of the team (watch out Cesar he may get you out of the way as fav :P lol), and whoever who messes up with him will have to deal with the wrath of those plenty who do love him :) <3


LMAO!
You're not talking about me are you?  :lovegoggles:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on August 18, 2004, 06:42:09 PM
lol, yes for your own shame I am talking about you :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 18, 2004, 07:04:29 PM
Awwww....Say's my favourite!   :lovegoggles:  :lovegoggles:  :lovegoggles:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on August 18, 2004, 07:52:49 PM
 (http://www.tsl-game.com/say/sweetheart.gif)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 18, 2004, 10:48:04 PM
I hope this KQ will wrap up all the loose ends and not have fighting like the Mask of Eternity.  I did not really consider the Mask of Eternity as a true KQ game.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 18, 2004, 11:12:37 PM
There will be no fighting and plenty of 'wrap ups' with the story.   :pleased:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 19, 2004, 02:57:44 PM
Thanks for the information.  Can you provide any more clues?   :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on August 19, 2004, 05:56:39 PM
Nope, we've got PR people to do that.   ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on August 19, 2004, 08:18:11 PM
WOO! ;D *gives Jon a Cookie!* :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on August 25, 2004, 08:01:37 PM
I am looking forward to the next progress report.   ::)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on September 25, 2004, 04:00:16 PM
Any more spoilers?  How about puzzles that forum members can figure out for a clue.  Anything at all, please   ;-D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on September 25, 2004, 08:54:47 PM
How about puzzles that forum members can figure out for a clue.  Anything at all, please   ;-D
Interesting idea... :sneaky: but it won't be posted in this thread.

We'll see. ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on September 26, 2004, 01:54:04 AM
At least I didn't get the  :suffer:  lol  :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on September 26, 2004, 11:14:57 AM
... :o :o that's right, perhaps neil is in a good mood  ::)

/me decides to take advantage of the situation

Neil, what happends to Alex child in kq9??  ::) :P ;-D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 26, 2004, 02:10:53 PM
he met a guy named dew who handed him over a kit kat
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on September 26, 2004, 02:17:35 PM
Don't think that was the answer he was looking for somehow!  ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on September 26, 2004, 02:53:06 PM
Omg im confused! Theres a little kid Alex? Who likes kit kats??
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on September 26, 2004, 03:00:55 PM
Cat was sad, so Dew7 gave Cat a kit-kat, to make her feel better. :P

As far as the Alex child, no idea. :S

Unless, he just meant Alex, the child of Graham. :-\
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 26, 2004, 03:22:24 PM
YES ALEX! YOU LIKE KIT KATS! :P lol
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on September 26, 2004, 03:24:50 PM
NO SAY! I REALLY DON'T LIKE KITKATS!

...ahem....

so, yes...

Progress anyone?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 26, 2004, 03:26:44 PM
hahaha, yes alex, you like them... you know you do :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on September 26, 2004, 03:28:48 PM
Say, i sooooo do not like boring Kit kats. They're...boring!

lol so ummm how does every one think Kit kats will relate to teh developement of the game??  :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on September 26, 2004, 03:34:38 PM
I wanna try the Kit Kat with caramel one of these days.  :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 26, 2004, 03:34:52 PM
lemme show you how :D

stop asking! *stabs alex with kit.kat on the foreheadz* :P


ok since I'm not so mean :P ... I'm gonna see what can we post in the journal, don't promise anything since we may update "boring" stuff noone seems to care as in PR and Coordination updates, but oh well...



Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on September 26, 2004, 05:51:07 PM
Finally, a journal update soon--- Yay!   :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on September 27, 2004, 03:45:56 AM
is kq9 sponsored by kit kat??  :P ;-D

/me looks foreward to the (journal) updates
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on September 27, 2004, 05:54:04 AM
If Alex won't take the Kit Kat...I will! :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on September 27, 2004, 07:48:41 AM
Ok so back on topic :P

How is the progress coming along ???
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 27, 2004, 10:50:59 AM
it is coming along great to be honest, it's been worthy to be absent around here for a while and help out Cesar with other important development inside the game

Art has increased production amazingly, it has been kept since I last mentioned, Programming has also been doing very good since Neil took over directing there (kuddos to Neil as always!) music is freaking cool as well with Chris R coordinating there too, all good stuff to be honest, I've seen lots of cool stuff, and heard many great stuff so far, hopefully I can somewhat work into details in the journal

About PR there is also cool cool stuff to tell, we are indeed famous by now! on Web there is cool stuff coming the current features we're working on it's not just for kq9.org but also for the team, so it's been a delicate (and annoying ;P) update, along with that other things have been worked on.

We're currently hiring for new staff again, trying to get our affairs back on track around here, and well... there goes a quick preview of an update report :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 27, 2004, 10:55:40 AM
hahah I read my post again, cool cool :P

well, what I meant is it's nice to see things flowing nicely again, the previous months were caothic due coordination became living hell, some departments had management issues but gladly we took care of all that already

Right now I have a headache and I'm tired, sorry if my posts doesn't make much sense :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on September 27, 2004, 11:01:11 AM
Glad that the work is trucking along :)  I know you guys are more excited about that then us fans, since ya'll are getting to see it in progress...while we only get to see the final product.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on September 27, 2004, 11:09:20 AM
But of course, you know what it feels to someone design something and then see it finished and animated and whatever else? not just for us directors (specially Cesar), but also for the people involved it's great, it is obviously specially exciting at the rate speed the departments work sometimes

And don't worry, we got some really great stuff coming for you with the update (eye-candy material)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on September 27, 2004, 11:12:07 AM
Can't wait!  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on September 27, 2004, 02:12:10 PM
But of course, you know what it feels to someone design something and then see it finished and animated and whatever else?

lol, yeah, I know the feeling  :D

thnx for the update on the progress Say!!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on September 27, 2004, 02:58:26 PM
I also am glad to have an update posted here.   :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on September 30, 2004, 03:24:16 PM
I'll Drink to that!  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 01, 2004, 03:04:30 AM
/me wonders what shadow is going to drink....  :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on October 02, 2004, 04:03:18 PM
Hmm, maybe poison!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 05, 2004, 03:17:48 PM
nooo!! don't!!  :o :o

/me takes Shadows drink and throws it away  :-\
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on October 14, 2004, 03:26:24 PM
Ohh...I wanted that.  :(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 14, 2004, 03:32:36 PM
perhaps you want to, but I don't want you to die  :-\ :(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on October 14, 2004, 03:35:24 PM
Hmm, not wishing to sound macarb but I cannot see how my death would particularly affect you? I am no relation, I am no close personal friend?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on October 14, 2004, 05:38:07 PM
It'd affect us because we'd miss having you around!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 14, 2004, 10:00:48 PM
Hmm, not wishing to sound macarb but I cannot see how my death would particularly affect you? I am no relation, I am no close personal friend?

ahhh.... I just don't want anyone to die, it just hurts, even if I don't know that person that well  :-\
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on October 15, 2004, 01:18:01 AM
Well, I am glad you people seem to have more heart than the merciless b******s I have to deal with daily.  :(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on October 16, 2004, 05:06:42 AM
I agree, dying is always undesirable.

Unless it involves dying peacefully in your sleep at a ripe old age. Then it still kinda sucks, but it's a graceful way to end things.

Anyhoo. I dunno what's planned for the upcoming update specifically, but I do know that KQ9 will have delicious eye candy for its final release... *drool*

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on October 16, 2004, 06:59:21 AM
Are you hinting that you've seen a couple things?  *sigh* Too bad I couldn't make it to NY for the auditions... :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 16, 2004, 11:21:52 AM
I want candy!!  ::) :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on October 25, 2004, 12:49:56 AM
Spoilers for KQ9 please ---  :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on October 28, 2004, 06:12:49 PM
 :suffer:

(I cant believe Neil missed this one!)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 29, 2004, 01:01:02 AM
....who would have thought you'd assist him  ::) :P

EDIT:  :o I almost forgot :stabs: ...another suffer smiley down the drain  :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on October 29, 2004, 11:21:30 AM
lol, you meanieh boys :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on October 29, 2004, 12:10:25 PM
/me thinks she refers to Neil and Alex  ::)

...right? ;-D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on November 09, 2004, 07:15:51 PM
Great job on the journal updates and the rest of the updates on this site   :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: B'rrr on November 10, 2004, 01:17:34 AM
I totally agree!! well done everyone!! looks awesome!!  :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on November 10, 2004, 03:37:02 PM
I'll drink to that!  8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on November 10, 2004, 05:35:40 PM
lol, I'm going to have to agree with Rob, you drink to anything shadow :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on November 14, 2004, 04:00:19 PM
(puts on best pirate accent)

Arghh, Say las, I be an ol' pirate at heart (swigs whiskey) I'll drink till there is not a drop of life left in this ol' seadogs bones, hehehehe (swigs whiskey)

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on November 17, 2004, 08:20:11 AM
Progress is great!

I love all the updates, they are friggin great :D

*Hands cookies to all webstaff* :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on November 24, 2004, 01:04:44 PM
Encouraged that this project may actually be done by 2007 or even earlier --- setting late date of completion so my hopes are less likely to be dashed  ;)   :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on November 24, 2004, 02:47:13 PM
I was about to say, sounded like you were trying to take the michael!


POWERFUL WIZARD BABY! OH YEAH!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on November 28, 2004, 09:59:20 AM
I was about to say, sounded like you were trying to take the michael!
LOL!
I was thinking the same ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on November 28, 2004, 01:10:14 PM
I was about to say, sounded like you were trying to take the michael!

what is that supposed to mean?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Vipt on December 02, 2004, 04:03:02 PM
Errr..... I just came across this and I'm in the same boat with Say here. What the heck are you guys talking about?
???
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Vipt on December 03, 2004, 12:34:58 PM
Errr... thanks for not responding to either me or Say. :S I had to go figure it out on my own (with LN's help).

Say's boyfriend is named Michael, so I hope you can see how she might have misinterpreted it. I'm not sure why neither of you replied to clear this up, especially racx, who seems to be on some sort of posting "binge" as of late.

Well, whatever. I'm hoping you merely overlooked it, rather than having deliberately ignored her concern. I don't mean to lambast you; I just want to make you aware of the unfortunate misunderstanding it may have caused. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Here (http://www.antimoon.com/forum/posts/5522.htm) is a forum thread that explains the British slang phrase "taking the Michael" pretty well.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on December 03, 2004, 05:46:23 PM
hahahaha!! interesting :P

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Warlock on December 04, 2004, 10:31:11 AM
Ehm.  :no:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on December 08, 2004, 08:54:50 AM
Errr... thanks for not responding to either me or Say. :S I had to go figure it out on my own (with LN's help).

Say's boyfriend is named Michael, so I hope you can see how she might have misinterpreted it. I'm not sure why neither of you replied to clear this up, especially racx, who seems to be on some sort of posting "binge" as of late.

Well, whatever. I'm hoping you merely overlooked it, rather than having deliberately ignored her concern. I don't mean to lambast you; I just want to make you aware of the unfortunate misunderstanding it may have caused. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Here (http://www.antimoon.com/forum/posts/5522.htm) is a forum thread that explains the British slang phrase "taking the Michael" pretty well.
Sorry I didn't see this cos I usually only come here when I am saying something about progress :-\, very sorry

And it had been explained before so I didn't think there would be any problems
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Vipt on December 09, 2004, 09:48:33 AM
Okay, no problem.
Thanks for responding, and no hard feelings.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on December 20, 2004, 05:32:06 AM
Blimey people; I have started a right royal little discussion here;

My definition (the Great British Definition) of "taking the Michael," is "taking the Mickey" or "Taking the p**s" (yo use a vulgar term of phrase)

Sorry; I live very close to London so I have a habit of using phrases like that!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on December 22, 2004, 02:27:26 PM
Blimey people; I have started a right royal little discussion here;

My definition (the Great British Definition) of "taking the Michael," is "taking the Mickey" or "Taking the p**s" (yo use a vulgar term of phrase)

Sorry; I live very close to London so I have a habit of using phrases like that!

I use taking te piss mostly. Its only vulgar if you say it vulgar-ly hehe.

So, progress? ;p
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on January 09, 2005, 07:02:39 AM
Yup, back on topic!

From what I can see there is plenty of progress going on in the game building department.

Quite liked the little Christmas treat; I am quite surprised how you lot managed to find someone who emulated the original King Graham in pitch/pace/pause/tone of voice (lets hope that he can also do a slightly better job at expressing emotions/dramatic speeches than the original "King G," whose name completely escapes me for the moment...)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Hoboknight on January 09, 2005, 05:22:13 PM
make a status bar so when i come here, i can stare at it for days just to see i jump up 1% and go YEAH! OH YEAH! :suffer:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on January 10, 2005, 07:13:43 AM
No update on progress but I still am hoping for a 2007 release   ;)   :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 10, 2005, 07:19:21 AM
make a status bar so when i come here, i can stare at it for days just to see i jump up 1% and go YEAH! OH YEAH! :suffer:

Oh, come on! :P  I wouldn't say they're 50 or 75% done, mainly because I don't know what goes into the making f a game and I don't know how far along they are...but I'm POSITIVE they're past the 1% mark ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 13, 2005, 06:53:09 AM
make a status bar so when i come here, i can stare at it for days just to see i jump up 1% and go YEAH! OH YEAH! :suffer:

Oh, come on! :P  I wouldn't say they're 50 or 75% done, mainly because I don't know what goes into the making f a game and I don't know how far along they are...but I'm POSITIVE they're past the 1% mark ;)

Psssst I think he meant increase by 1% ;)

As far as a progress bar goes im not so sure it would be a good idea...I can just see the random posts now:

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OMGWTF IT HASN'T MOVED FOR TWO DAYS!! YOU GUYS MUST HAVE STOPPED MAKING THE GAME, YOU SUCK!11!!

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 13, 2005, 06:55:40 AM
 ;] Well...we see how well I'm able to read...
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 13, 2005, 07:01:41 AM
Hehe fret not, sentance meaning and grammar corrections coming from me means very little remember!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 13, 2005, 07:16:18 AM
Very true...

btw...you spelt "sentence" wrong XD
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on January 13, 2005, 08:01:19 AM
Psssst I think he meant increase by 1% ;)
Yeah I think thats what he meant as well XD
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 13, 2005, 08:07:24 AM
So ya'll are just going to give me a hard time about it, huh?  *pouts*
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on January 13, 2005, 09:14:49 AM
hahaha, I love speculations :D


We won't make a "progress bar report" around here any moment soon (if ever) due the fact that coordination takes on quite a time to put together itself, so, that's the reason we at web department decided to create the journal, is right there and I try to keep our directors to post most of the times, but truth is they're as busy as it gets as well so it's not easy to spare a time besides all the work we actually do just to come here and shower you all with details. Although I'll try to do my bests and have some directive staff to come and post some updates in the journal.

In further news, 2004 was a REALLY good year because of production rate increased, I'd dare to say in about 50% because I ALWAYS get to see new stuff nowdays compared with before, even music department picked up on development with our talented Austin and Chris, it's so exciting seeing all the pieces of the puzzle merge together, also, in 2004 Neil picked up Direction over Programming department which has not only speeded up but actually organized everything so much better, we also have the recent promotion of Pablo in Assistant Dir. in Programming, very cool how everything is also moving on in Art department as well, 3d department as actually increased production too, we have staff like Mike and Allert and Jon which are simply amazing, so you can fill in the blanks about it, we're far far from design concepts now, we've been full time production and I can certainly say that soon enough I shall provide more details, at this moment feel free to continously randomly guess :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on January 13, 2005, 10:41:48 AM
Right -- Thanks Say

2007 -- Christmas release   ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Oldbushie on January 13, 2005, 07:52:16 PM
It will be released when there is ten feet of snow in Venezuela. ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jafar on January 13, 2005, 07:56:00 PM
It will be released on April 32, 2003. :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on January 19, 2005, 12:04:09 PM
It will be released when its finished :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on January 19, 2005, 02:08:12 PM
. . . which may end up being when we are too old to play.

 :-\
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Vipt on January 19, 2005, 05:08:06 PM
. . . which may end up being when we are too old to play.

What exactly do you mean by "too old to play"? I don't think I'll ever truly lose interest in video/computer games, and the only reason some people today say they're "too old" to play video games is because they didn't exist when those people were younger, so they can't relate to the experience and don't really want to try. And that's fine for them, but our generation has grown up with video games, so I doubt very many of us will simply "grow out" of playing them, if that is indeed what you meant. We may play less of them as we get older and develop greater priorities, but video/computer games are certainly not a form of entertainment that is shrinking demographically.

So, what I'm trying to say is this: stop bemoaning the fact that KQ9 isn't going to be released next week. A couple more years of waiting isn't going to kill you, and if you're worried about being "too old" by that time, then I'd suggest you stop making pointless posts on this forum and go do something  constructive while you still have your precious youth left. Perhaps you have a family history with cases of very premature incipience of dementia, or you have some other kind of terminal and debilitating illness that will prevent you from enjoying the game in the future? Apart from those justifications however, I can't say I have anything to commiserate with you about concerning this matter.

Chances are the game will be released and relatively soon, but even if it is not you still have nothing to remonstrate about. The team does not owe you or any other fan anything, so please refrain from using such reproachful comments as the one you made above. If this sounds rather harsh to you, I'm sorry, but you have made many similar remarks of the same animus and I'm beginning to find them tiresome. The team is doing all they can with the limited means they have, without remunerative ambitions, and moreover doing a very good job at it. But by implying that you have no faith in their efforts you are not helping anyone or anything, least of all the game's progress. Keep that in mind. [/end rant]
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on January 19, 2005, 05:55:04 PM
Woo!  Go Vipt! XD  Where were you when I was taking my final high school English? ;P

The majority of dew's comments in this thread aren't very supportive, and Vipt's rant is fully justified.  I am glad the majority of you understand the time, effort, and passion that goes into the making of this game, not to mention the external forces that directly affect progress (i.e. school, work, family, etc).  You also realise that we are not being paid or reimbursed for making this game at all.  We are creating it for free for everyone to enjoy.

It baffles me that Dew is supportive of our team and game in many other threads, yet in the thread specifically created for it, placed in the Fan Feedback forum, he isn't.  I think that alone speaks more than anything.

Pessimistic/negative comments will not make this game complete any faster.  Technically, positive comments won't either, but at least they help to motiviate the team to work harder.

Anyway, Say's post above describes the progress we've had in 2004.  For the latest updates, keep watching the Journal.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on January 19, 2005, 09:00:43 PM
Okay, I am sorry and it will be released when it is ready.

 :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on January 19, 2005, 10:11:53 PM
Either way, what some fans do not understand is that everyone around here is not a kid, we're young adults with real lives, for example Cesar is currently hanging in there with continuing into his university degree and working part time, which happens to be the same case of Neil, work and studies as well, and if you go by the case of MANY around here, everyone is either working or studying or simply both, and in case you do wonder, I can actually claim I do see Cesar organizing every single week the team meetings in which over 20 ppl gather up to report, discuss, and preview stuff, not to mention that I can also speak the same from other team members that sometime during a week get to manage over 3 or 4 scheduled assingments. It's not easy when you do have a passion like this combined with your real life duties.

Same old same old which noone seems to get, everyone sets from granted that you're here and you gotta do it cuz, "oh but you're in that team that's what you're supposed to do", wrong, noone here is supposed or obligated to do absolutly anything, everyone has applied, has worked and continues to believe by their own free will. As everyone knows KQIX operates as a real life company although we don't get paid, we do HR, we do trainings, we do PR, we do logists, we do planning, we hire/fire ppl, we keep organizational schedules, team structures with responsabilities share, and so on, if we were just a merely bunch of stupid kids doing whatever we want you wouldn't have been able to see half the things we have showed around here, plus the fact we have not only done everything we have so far we keep on doing it, and sad to say it doesn't matter how much or how loud you make your comments be heard here, if someone wants to quit simply cuz they got a better job that consumes their full time, well guess what? we just wish them the best and thank her/him greatly for all the effort and commitment given to the team, and that's as much as we can do, all we hope is that we keep in touch and we manage to find someone else as good and talented as our friend going away.

It's really sad to see how everyone asumes things are either black or white, or how we get constantly comments that do not come to case, and I'm seriously not talking about dew whatsoever, I'm speaking in general terms because those few comments I've seen here they've happened in other threads in other moments and it's just more of the same which leads to nothing but a waste of time to even considering posting, if you don't have anything good to say then why say anything? if you don't believe it then save yourself the trouble to even post it, go post in another thread you find most interesting or more fulfilling to share with others.

As a matter of fact, I will not fall into any comment about this issue anymore, I obviously ignored it, I will not spoil anything we've done until WE consider it's worth to show, not because of random comments, due the fact since we're the development team we should at least have a voice at our pace and at our final product, I've said many things that are good enough but everyone can read whatever they want between lines, bottom line, if the website is still running, and you get to check out auditions, and clips and many other things that will be there yet to come, you can explicitly see that those things were not built overnight, but either way, it's out there to be seen and anyone can asume whatever they want from it, we'll be always doing what we can for the project but we won't reply to every single whim obviously, or keep on going about the same old again, we've got work to do and lately our priorities go above spamming everything developed around here rather than actually getting something together to display when it's its time to do so.

Let's just try to keep it nice here because in the end, there is no point to argue about this, if you're all here posting is because somehow you've got some faith into the project and regardless of how your support may come, try to keep it nice and clean because that's the community we aim to have as well as I believe we're civilized individuals who can communicate very natural in better/nicer ways.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on January 20, 2005, 07:41:44 AM
I know for a fact that this project is gonna be a great success :D, all of ya work hard at what ya do and put your best into it ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on January 24, 2005, 07:00:09 AM
Well I couldn't give a damn what day/week/month/year the game is released; All good games take time and the high quality effort the KQ IX team are putting into it means that it certainly will take time to complete (especially since they will have a VASTLY smaller budget than a full blown games company!) There is no point releasing a game which is extremely good in some areas but suffers from cruelly incapacitating bugs that have the potential to ruin the experience (anybody here played the original Falcon 4.0?)

So here's to the KQ IX team, if it takes another couple of years to finish the game then so be it; I'll still be here if no-one else is!

Cheers!  8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: EDI on January 24, 2005, 10:11:12 AM
Hey everyone,

First off let me explain my situation,

I am the head of my own game development project "Morning's Wrath" it has been in production for about three years now, and after lots of delays and more work than I care to express, we are on track for a march beta.

Now I am a huge Kings Quest fan, KQVII was the reason I started game development, so as you might imagine KQIX is _VERY_ important to me :-)

As the head of my game development group (composed of five people) I am able to explain in a good amount of detail where the current stage of development is, for instance...

1. We have finished the game engine
2. We have finished all the game maps
3. We have finished script-coding for 2 of the 4 game 'chapters'
4. we are about half-way(23 of 40) done with character art/animations
5. we've only cast one out of 40 people for voice tallent


The point I am trying to make here, is that I understand what the KQIX team is going through (maybe you don't think I do, but my team and I are esentially doing the same thing, with far less people), So what I want, and have wanted since I heard about this project (about a year ago), is Where are things in the development proccess I haven't been able to find a simple and straight answer to this yet, so please, post it somewhere accessable, I don't want a deadline, I just want to know where things are at, can anyone answer that for me?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on January 24, 2005, 11:39:12 AM
That is somehow the very same question in disguise, although it was a cute attempt, I shall not spoil anything, sorry, so far we're not interested in fill in everyone with the %'s or specific report data, or general report procress or whatsoever, neither we should be disclosing any specific info, you shall know as we release things progressively. Something which is already known is the fact we moved on out of "designing" and "concept" into massive full production in 2004 for those who had no idea about it, you're just set on simple things and can't certainly figure out the facts, even simple updates which NOONE seems to pick up speak a lot more than the fact of us being answering to the same thing over and over again.

We are actually hiring more 3d staff (even animators), and we reorganized completly coordination, as well as a re-structured music staff and programming staff... and why obviously have done the little bits you've gathered around because of something, obviously a progress of development, we won't hire texturers or voice actors or whatnot just to poke their foreheads, come on, I mean, do we really need to be stating the obvious each time everyone asks exactly the same in different ways? things do speak for themselves, someone who hangs around would know more than we say, (due the updates and random posts we make sometimes) and bottom line, if it's not out in the open yet it means we're not interested in revealing that information so far.

Without further to add, thank you for the comments so far, when we want to let you guys know, this will be the first place that we shall announce any of that, so hang in there.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: EDI on January 24, 2005, 03:06:41 PM
If you had a section devoted to listing 'coarsely' the acomplishments, then maybe people would stop asking. I for one dont have the time to scour the forums looking for what has been released. And if the question is being asked so much, then perhaps that might be indicative to the fact somthing should be done about it.

From what i gather of your post, you are just now really begining to 'put the game together'. I would like to know if my asumptions are right, mainly because this project is taking so long. I would like to know if I am not waiting in vain.

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on January 24, 2005, 06:03:09 PM
EDI...

The Journal (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/journal/)

Read entry#16.


and I almost forgot...

 :suffer:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: EDI on January 24, 2005, 07:54:45 PM
That journal entry is a year old (to the day), and I saw those screen shots a while ago. That is the most recent progress update? I've gotta say I'm really dissapointed with the lack of a section that lists where things are, at least in a general sense. I know how game development teams work (since I run one myself), and I am very suprised that you arn't giving some indication as to where things are, especialy given that this project has been going on for a long time. I just dont understand why it isnt public knowledge, or at least availible on request.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 24, 2005, 08:00:26 PM
Question...does AGDI give progress reports like that?  I'm on their forum quite often, and they tell us it's moving along, but not the exact point the game development is at.

And the Journal entry LN pointed you toward was made on November 10, 2004, a long cry from being "a year old (to the day)."

There is a lot more I could say right now, but I don't think it would go over well if either of us start attacking the game development of either the KQ9 team or yours.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on January 24, 2005, 08:01:48 PM
There is one, indeed, and I will not fall into these attempts, I only must answer to one boss which is Cesar Bittar, certainly I won't take these comments from any random forum users, other than that whoever else may be entirely free to either gather up any ideas they want and continue speculating or simply just keep their comments to themselves.

What is out there is what we wanna share so far, it is just the way it is, you feel free to asume, think whatever suits you best. If you think it's in "vain" then so be it, I'm done trying to explain what it's been already explained, or to simply please whoever who comes here asking for things just for the sake of it.

You may run your project as you wish, and if you expect to be respected as a must you shall do the same to others, I do not go into your website telling you exactly how you should do things, comments are welcome but be careful on how you put things across hence you're not an old time fan to come around here and start either asuming things or demanding them. I have not done such thing in your forum and certainly I wouldn't address something so delicate in such a careless way if I had any respect or sense of true support.

And in the words of our good friend Dew "Have a nice day" alright, I've said all I wanted about this matter already.

Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jafar on January 24, 2005, 08:09:10 PM
Question...does AGDI give progress reports like that?  I'm on their forum quite often, and they tell us it's moving along, but not the exact point the game development is at.

They give progress reports at their main site.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 24, 2005, 08:14:40 PM
Question...does AGDI give progress reports like that?  I'm on their forum quite often, and they tell us it's moving along, but not the exact point the game development is at.

They give progress reports at their main site.

Thanks Jafar!  Appreciate clearing that up.  I'd rather my mistakes be pointed out than for me to give false information :)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: EDI on January 24, 2005, 08:19:46 PM
You're right, though I wouldn't exactly consider me to be a "random forum user",
whenver this project posts on gamedev.net I am there to encourage people to join, and not flame it, like ususaly happens, unfortunetly.

to prove i am not lying...

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/viewreply.asp?ID=1877575


Given that I am also an adventure game developer, going through probably very similar trials as you are, I thought perhaps we shared some level of understanding. You seem to treat me as if i, like alot of people, don't know what goes into making a game. Anyhow, out of all the indie development teams I have spoken with, (or there representitives), this one has proven to be less than informative.

And with that, I'll trouble your forum no more. good luck on the game.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on January 24, 2005, 09:14:21 PM
The Journal is the best place to find updates and details on the team's progress.  We usually update it after major milestones or design phases have been completed.  Team progress itself is made almost daily by members of the team and is difficult to categorize in terms of % of game completeness.  The reason it is difficult is because once one process is completed by someone, another one starts, and if the previous phase is not completed, it is reworked until it is approved to move forward.  In other words, there isn't a black or white during production until it is approved by the directive staff.  Through this method, we achieve the highest quality in every aspect of the game.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: EDI on January 24, 2005, 09:27:07 PM
I told myself I wasn't going to reply, but as a manager myself I think I should comment.

This is just my oppinion take it for what it is worth.

When making a game, before you set out to make that game, you should have a plan, ususaly broken down into granular blocks, these blocks are then fed in the proper order to the people who are to do them. So if indeed you have everything thought out and on paper for the game, which you should, otherwise you are flying blind(which we did for a while and it was a bad decision due to the disorganization inherant in it), then you should know how many of those tasks are complete. Right?  If it's more up-in-the-air than that, then I would be worried that things havent been properly solidified. As for things being black and white, when a task is not done or when a task is done, is definetly a black and white discreet state.

On the whole though, thank you for posting a more explained version of how things work, it gives me more of an idea of how things might be going.

Don't take my above words as being angry baseless inconstructive critisim, I have some experience in this area, given that my actual occupation is a game developer, and I do indie game development as well.  Again, good luck on the project :-)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on January 24, 2005, 10:07:05 PM
I haven't gotten my dose of being yelled at in a while, so I'll go for it.

I have to say that I think it's a little unfair to get so uptight about people asking how the game is going. I mean, if they care enough about the game to want to know when it's done, that's a good thing, right?

Yes, some of the people who have asked in the past have been rude about it. But there's nothing wrong with the curiousity in and of itself.

I know that there's a lot of work that's already done and is being done, but that's only because I've gotten to work on some things with Mike and Cesar and because I practically lived here for quite a while. A casual visitor isn't going to have the benefit of any of that, obviously, so they're curious.

And there's nothing wrong with that. This is a whole community, of which only about 20% is game-related. Someone who likes the idea of the game and is curious about it but doesn't currently wish to join a new community might find looking through all the posts in search of updates a bit daunting.

It is true that you make updates whenever a major event happens, but major events by their nature have long periods of time in between them. In between those, even if all you say is "This week we got a couple backgrounds done and an actor's parts recorded" or something, it'll keep people happy because they know for sure things are still going well. Nobody's asking for a huge, detailed, trade-secrets dissertation. (At least, not seriously, anyway. ;) ) That's what AGDI's Designer Journals seem to be like, and they work rather well to me.

Most of us don't know what it's like to make a computer game, yes. So tell us! I for one find the whole matter rather fascinating from talking to people on other projects, and would love to hear whatever tidbits can be shared.

It's a *good* thing that people want to know how things are going. If they didn't, it would mean they didn't care. And if the fans do care about something, it seems rather unfair to get uptight about them caring about it, especially since to me the presence of a forum indicates that fan feedback is desired.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 07:48:49 AM
I guess everyones just tired of being doubted. I can understand that interested adventure gamers might want to know whether this is just one more "flop" 3rd party game... but considering the trials the KQ9 team is going through, we can atleast have a little faith. In many ways, the fans are the only form of compensation any of them get. And here we are, super eager to debunk everything.

Ive made the mistake before of assuming that project developers have the intelligence of a 2nd grader and all projects are in "vain"... I was wrong. And even my basest doubts, no matter how logical they were, hurt those involved. I dont want ya'll making my mistakes.

Lets all take a moment to look at the very telling, evidence.

1) KQ9 has a large, very active forum. Everyday were posting

2) Production updates occur every month or so. For a 3rd party game of any sort, that aint bad.

3) Check out the list of KQ9 "employees." Typically, the larger the staff, the better the chances the game will actually be finished. The more people, the more motivation. We have a rather large staff.

Shouldnt the above merit atleast a little patience?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on January 25, 2005, 07:58:20 AM
Ok,

First, the journal entry is not a year old. It's from November, that makes it... 2 months old? almost 3 at max?

Anyway, I do not intend to be rude and because I lead the production of the game, I can answer to the questions posed by EDI.

In the Journal entry of november, I stated that by the end of the month we'd be done with backgrounds and then by december/early january, we'd be done with characters. Comes end of January, we've met our deadlines.

I also stated that January would see animation in full force. That's exactly what's happening now, along with unwrapping all of the models, that our Art Directors are going through, one by one, and finalizing them, ready to be unwrapped.

At the same time, in the texturing fort, things keep moving as expected. Same with the music development and voice recording.

Plans for the website are in the works, so a massive update is coming, but I currently don't have a date for it. All material needed for it is being finalized, so, the day that is up, you will see it up.

Finally, on the programming fort, we've dealt and resolved some of the problems that were stopping us from advancing the demo. So, yes, to answer the question, we are putting the game together now.

We do have a release date. We are trying our damnest hard to meet it. You'll know what the date is when we see it appropiate.

I believe that sums it up. Now, I'll go back to work. Thanks for your patience.

Sincerely,
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on January 25, 2005, 08:13:29 AM
It's definitely a two-sided thing, Fatali.

Having people be so curious about what progress has been made probably does get annoying. On the other hand, we gamers have been burned many, many times by projects that seem to be going well but then disbanded. Unfortunately, while team size, active community, and frequent updates do suggest that a team is more likely to finish their product, I know from experience that it is by no means a guarantee.

Surely there must be a compromise. Assumption of intelligence works both ways, as well. Some of the explanations here and on other matters do and have felt to me personally to have boiled down to the condescending flavor of "Because we say that's how things work, and you're not on the team so you can never understand why/know what we're going through, so we don't want to hear it". As I was telling a friend in an IM discussion on another topic the other day, people tend to find the "because I said so" dismissal very unsatisfying. (I know I do. :P )

Please note that I am not saying that I personally don't think the project won't be finished; from what I've seen I know it very likely will be finished. I'm simply saying that for the Average Joe/Jane who doesn't have any privvy knowledge it's understandable why they're so curious about things. For me, at least, one of the appeals of a fangame team having a public forum is the possibility of getting first-hand accounts of what it's like to make a game.

We who have been here for a long time and gotten to know the community well do have faith. But someone who hasn't been here for a long time is going to initially consider this as "Just Another Fangame Team", because to them it is. And let's face it, the vast majority of the eventual audience for this game isn't going to be the few dozen KQ9 Groupies, it's going to be the hundreds (thousands?) of Average Joes/Janes.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on January 25, 2005, 08:14:37 AM
Also,

in response to Jeysie's comment about us commenting "this week, we did this and that", I'm sorry, but I hope you really don't expect me to do that. There are certain ways of doing things in both the marketting and production fields. We know what we are doing. I'll come and do a report every once in a while, but I'm not going to make daily/weekly/even monthly reports as a rule. I simply don't have the time for once, and other than that, no production company updates as much as we do. Try to get any further information from The Longest Journey 2 and be lucky if you get any. And they are a commercial company with paid full-time employees.

The reason why it upset us is because we keep giving you guys a lot and you never seem to be satisfied. So, we have to draw the line between what you've earned for supporting us and what you demand we give you. Again, take a look at any big company out there. Any huge game. I've been waiting for news from Final Fantasy XII and Kingdom Hearts 2 for months now, and I would not even get a reply or reasons if I emailed someone at Square asking for information.

We'll update every time we feel it necessary. The fact that I'm here answering to these emails is basically time I'm taking from all the ridicolous amount of work I have to do, to come here and write these posts because Say pointed it out to me (which she always keeps me updated of any really important thing going on in the forum, as I don't have the time to revise them).

So, hang in there. We are planning things for you guys. Just don't tell us how to do our job, we already have A LOT planned and A LOT to do and very little time. We've done pretty well so far, no?

Thanks,
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 08:26:19 AM
Quote
Any huge game. I've been waiting for news from Final Fantasy XII and Kingdom Hearts 2 for months now, and I would not even get a reply or reasons if I emailed someone at Square asking for information.

With that said, Square has the worst PR department Ive ever seen. Then again, I dont live in Japan.

To Jeysie: I understand its a two sided thing. But despite being burnt many times, the least we can do is try to support the genre we all love instead of looking careful at ways to tear it down. Lets face it, people, the adventure game community is one of the major reasons there are no adventure game companies out there. We demand more at all times. We want better graphics. We want more story. We want more puzzles. We want longer stories. We want longer, more creative puzzles. And shame shame to any adventure series that is forced to reduce their quality because of the price. How many of us were disappointed by the graphics of the 4th Monkey Island? Maybe there wouldve been a 5th if we had supported it more.

Lets say, purely hypothetical, of course, that KQ9 would never see the light of day. Fine, good, one less adventure game. But other people, and other potential developers, see how weve treated the KQ9 team. If we had given them respect, excitement instead of doom and gloom, maybe some other company wouldve been motivated to design something. We've GOT to try to give people reasons for developing new adventure games. Being logical skeptics is not going to cut it. Its hard for me, and i know its hard for you. We both want verifiable answers. But sometimes to win the war, you must lose the battle.

With that said, Im late to my next class... Be back soon.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on January 25, 2005, 08:34:20 AM
Cesar: You can do whatever you wish, obviously. But no, I don't consider it an unreasonable thought. There are other fangames who do give regular updates of exactly that sort, and some of them don't even have a dedicated web team like this one does. No one said you or anyone on the production team personally had to come in and give a speech, we expect the web team to do most of that.

A commercial company isn't exactly a precise analogy. We don't usually expect a commercial company to get down into the trenches with us. The idea of a fangame team of "normal people" tends to suggest the idea of a little more intimacy.

I'm just trying to point out that it's normal for the average fan to feel this way and ask these sorts of questions. You may not like it, but it happens. Trying to change human nature is usually a futile prospect.

At any rate, I can see that this attempt at playing Devil's Advocate will be as futile as all the rest, so I'll bow out. It's not me who's majorly affected by PR perceptions.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: EDI on January 25, 2005, 08:36:49 AM
First, the journal entry is not a year old. It's from November, that makes it... 2 months old? almost 3 at max?

I was pointed to journal entry #16 by LN, and did not notice the numbering system, i counted down from the top instead of up from the bottom, sorry about that, my mistake.

That post does make things somewhat more clear, as is mirrored in what you just posted here. The journal is a daunting collection of text, wouldnt it be easier for new comers to see the last big progress report from you on the main-page? I think it would clear up people, like myself, from tyring to scrouonge information on where things are, and obviously angering people.

I think weekly or even monthly updates are definetly too much strain for a team of this size (managing five people is a full time job in and of itself). All I am asking for is a more prominent place to list these big (hopfully quaterly?) updates, that pertain only to where the game production is and what has been acomplished, in short, just the facts =).

As for weekly or monthly updates, I think that is a little much, I would be happy with quaterly, but that's me.


Anyhow, thank you CÚsar, for taking the time to explain where things are in the development cycle, I will keep fighting the good fight for this project whenever you are looking for help on GameDev.net

Good Luck.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on January 25, 2005, 09:00:14 AM
Cesar: You can do whatever you wish, obviously. But no, I don't consider it an unreasonable thought. There are other fangames who do give regular updates of exactly that sort, and some of them don't even have a dedicated web team like this one does. No one said you or anyone on the production team personally had to come in and give a speech, we expect the web team to do most of that.

We work differently to other fangame projects. We've earned the respect to be listed in all big media computer games sites on the net as an official game that is going to be released and we've earned it because of the way we do things. Take a close look at this site. I don't intend to denigrate other fan sites, but take a look at every one of the features we have. It's huge, isn't it? We actually give you weekly updates in the form of art, soundclips, etc. We've stopped FOR A REASON. A good one. We don't consider ourselves yet another fangame team, and we have several reasons for it. We are aiming for proffesionalism, the best we can give.

Finally, the web team doesn't necessarily know what's going on in the production area of the game. Say has enough on her plate to be asking me everyday what's going on with the overall production, the same reason I don't know what goes on in the forums.

Please, stop demanding. We've given you lots, and we plan on giving you even more. Go take a look at the Art of the Week gallery if you think we don't give updates, listen to the recent soundclips again. We've given MORE than ANY other fangame/commercial company out there and I had to make a call on stopping it before we gave too much away. But we haven't stopped it, we're reworking it and that's part of the huge update that's coming.

I won't say it again. We do things for a reason. When the major update comes, you will see what I'm talking about.

Thanks,
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on January 25, 2005, 09:24:21 AM
(shrug)

As I said, I'm not the one asking the questions. It's not me that you have to convince. I'm not concerned how frequently things are updated. Just trying to offer a guess at the thought process of people who are.

Now that you've come out and stated bluntly and clearly that the current info releases were temporary things, and that some of the info we're curious about is likely to be addressed in the upcoming update, I'd guess that people will probably be more satisfied.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: amarinda on January 25, 2005, 12:28:41 PM
Really interesting discussion, this. :)  My take is: a team is working to give me and those like me something wonderful and wonderfully free. OK, maybe they're doing it for themselves, too, that's healthy, but either way I feel that I should be grateful.

If they ask for "fan" feedback and/or keep the lines of communication open, that's great. If someone mentions they would like more updates, and I personally WOULD probably expect frequent ones from a project like this (in which a fan-team is excited enough about what they're doing to... um, DO what they're doing) or assume there's nothing good to report, fine. If the team responds, "Thanks for your interest but we know what we're doing and we're doing it for a reason, please don't keep pushing, just trust us," well then that's a wonderful response!

Yeah, it's be nice, like Jeysie says, to have a real inside look at what's going on along the way so that we feel, I dunno, INVOLVED in the process even if we're not (everyone has their delusions :P), but it's true that if you're running this as professionally as possible, you know what you're doing better than the average Jane (in my case) and I respect that; also if you're focusing on the project it probably simplifies things not to have to take the general public through it step by step, but rather make bigger announcements every once in awhile to report on the big picture, y'know, with a bit of perspective behind it. Maybe post-production you can share your experience? And every little decision, or adjustment, won't be made a big deal of by people (like myself) who really have no clue or would be constantly second-guessing everything that's being done.

In any case, even though we're benefitting from it and of course we're really curious, and although fan support is very important to any project like this... they're doing the work, it's their project and I plan to appreciate WHATEVER the outcome is. Obviously a lot of love and time is going into it, I trust it'll be done very well.

That's my true (unasked for) opinion, but since it's sounds a bit like sucking up to me, I've sent a load of dung to the project's (virtual?) headquarters to dispel that ridiculous idea.  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on January 25, 2005, 12:59:40 PM
I suppose maybe it could just be said that due to unforeseen circumstances the previously regularly scheduled updates can no longer be sustained, and the team will keep us updated whenever it is possible? (Well, I mean, I know this is obviously the case...)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Cez on January 27, 2005, 09:36:24 PM
the problem with that is that they are not unforeseen... they are very much foreseen ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Shadowfax on January 29, 2005, 02:41:53 PM
Cor Blimey you lot! Why do you have all the "meaty" discussions when I am not around to see them in action!

I would contribute but I admit I have nothing further to say as I am hardly "No1 adventure game fan in the whole wide world," and I would simply be repeating myself. Mind you one thing I do say to all those of you who are saying this game is taking WAY to long to complete; you have seen nothing!

Apart from the Falcon 4.0 fiasco, I have also been a follower of the West Brothers "Racing Legends," racing simulation project since Day 1 (all of several years ago.) Let me assure you, you will be lucky if you get ANY official updates at all (indeed, the last "proper," update is from September 2003!!) Its still supposed to be being created at the moment but the faint whiff of "vapour-ware," is now becoming a stench. I assure you, compared to that, this project is moving along at Warp 3000!  ;D
(Don't mean that as a mick-take KQIX team, your updates are often more regular/better than many "official" game websites  I have encountered in recent history!)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: sivvrianBARRY on January 29, 2005, 06:14:12 PM
I love all the updates that happen. Of course, I'd like more, but then again so does everyone I'm sure and they're not essential for us to play the game, which is the ultimate goal.

My problem when it comes to updates is the lack of announcements when something doesn't happen that was previously said to happen. For example, there was supposed to be monthly updates when the new and improved version of this site launched, but since then only a handful of "big" updates have happened, and much less frequently than a month. My problem is not that these updates are not actually happening, but the fact that the KQIX team isn't really addressing that they said these would be monthly. All it would take is a quick mention on the front page or in the newsletter that the big updates are no longer monthly.

I am by no means at all knocking the product, the updates themselves, or the web team. I'm just saying that it would make a lot of people feel better about this issue if you would just post on the front page or in the newsletter or journal or something besides a thread on the forum if something changes from what it was originally announced.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Grundy on February 01, 2005, 06:45:13 AM
G'day all.

Long time, no see for most of you!

First of all, I would like to say that I have left the KQ9 team.  :'(
( Personal/Work reasons... )

I wouldn't have posted, but seeing how a lot of people are discussing Cesar's motives and actions towards fans and progress information... I had to come and post.

Having worked closely with Cesar and the bulk of the 3D team for about 6 months, I got to see the production of the game get into full swing. Even to the moments before leaving, I saw non-stop progress every DAY!

Now I know you'll argue this point, but by reading through the last few pages here, the general question/demand is that KQ9 gives you MORE updates, MORE specific numbers and MORE information about production status!

Damn guys!   :o


They already provide so much information and insight into this game! What more can you ask for?

e.g.... What you want...

"Today, Allert finished moving the vertices around on Graham's left hand so that the awesome texture would fit slightly better..."

( Boring tedious stuff )


The way it is done now is the best way to do it. If they provided every little update about tedious production work, you would get to the point of not even clicking on the 'Latest Updates!' link.    :P

The way they provide information now is perfect. Every few months, give a large update about the Production in general and let the fans know that X has been done Y is in production and Z is planned for next month.


If they gave it the way you are all demanding now, it would kill your interest and completely dull the final product!

Let me use an anology...

e.g.

- It's 4 weeks before Christmas and your parents have put the tree up!
- You start to get excited about what is coming and look at the tree as a symbol of something big/amazing/fun!

- 3 weeks from Christmas...
- There are a few presents with your name on them under the tree, waiting...   you don't know what they are, but you KNOW they are atleast THERE.

- 2 weeks from Christmas...
- You start to get to excited and the whole season has gone straight to your head! Now!, you start asking mum and dad if you can open a present or two this week!
- You open them and think, 'Wow, nice pressies!'

- 1.5 weeks from Christmas...
- You open a few more, and ask mummy/daddy if you can open one last pressie before you goto bed that night.
- 'WOW! nice pressies...'

- 1 Week away...
- You don't ask anymore and you sneak a few pressies at night while everyone else is sleeping and open them.
- Now you crave more!

- Christmas DAY!
- The whole family gathers, everyone is excited!
- The tree is lit and flashing and there a hundreds of pressies underneath for everyone!.....
- except you...  

- "Oh, everyone is having a great time with one HUGE bang of excitement and pressies...."

- You have nothing left to open and you have to sit around, playing with you OLD toys while everyone else enjoys the fun.
 :suffer:



So...   let it be, everyone, TRUST THEM!

All I can say is, WHEN it happens, you'll be grateful they kept it from you!   ;)
Take only what you're given and don't ask for seconds... please!
Because the feast you'll get when the time comes will fill you up for a VERY LONG TIME.


So, as an ex-team member,
ciao all, au revoire, bye-bye, that's me...  Jon...

Signing off....



PS:   :suffer: :'(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: amarinda on February 02, 2005, 02:53:19 PM
Woohoo, a spiffy analogy and everything! :D Well put, though. :) The Fran is patient!

Anyway, hello, Jon, nice to meet you, and... goodbye? :(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Storm on February 04, 2005, 06:39:50 AM
*Stares at the very long posts*

It's amazing how so much could still be said about a topic that's been hashed out so many times before you could almost recite all the different arguments by heart ::)

The majority of dew's comments in this thread aren't very supportive, and Vipt's rant is fully justified.

Sorry Yonkey, but I think Vipt's rant was totally uncalled for. Dew's post shouldn't have been taken more seriously than Jafar's "It will be released on April 32, 2003" or Bushie's "It will be released when there is ten feet of snow in Venezuela", and Vipt's lashing out like that over something that trivial kinda makes you wonder if he has it in for the guy :(
I think I've been here long enough to know what a nay-sayer looks like, and Dew definately doesn't fit that profile - he posts here way too much for that.

Anyways, this argument is a little redundant - the site is definitely updated enough to keep casual visitors from complaining about lack of updates/progress reports, and I don't see any of the regular forumers "losing faith" in the project due to a couple of weeks of delayed updates. What you have to remember here is that the bigger the anticipation, the bigger the impatience - people are so excited about the game, if it comes out tomorrow it wouldn't be soon enough for them, so complaints about progress/updates/release dates are only to be expected.
Developers and devoted fans get very touchy when people express the slightest sign of disbelief in their game's progress. I remember once saying that the Hero6 project is taking a long time compared to other fan projects (which is an objective truth, BTW) and nearly got my head chopped off by some of their team members ::)

As for those asking for bigger, better, faster, MORE!! updates, you just don't know how good you've all got it. Most other fan-game sites update very little if at all. As a matter of fact, this site itself hardly had any updates when I first got here.


P.S.
Sorry to hear about you leaving the team, Grundy :(
Hope you'll still grace us with your presence at the forum now and then ;)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on February 04, 2005, 09:04:55 AM
Liam/'harvester pretty much summed up exactly what I wanted to get at with his post.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on February 04, 2005, 11:02:32 AM
Shame to see ya go again Jon :(
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on February 04, 2005, 11:24:51 AM
I think my reply to liam got wiped out with the whole server maintenance.

The reason the updates are no longer be monthly is because of real life issues taking priority (i.e. work, school, etc.).  You can consider that the official statement because we've said it time and time again, and yet people still don't seem to understand it.  

It wouldn't make a difference if we said "updates will be monthly" or "updates will be delayed until we are physically able to do them" because people would still be demanding us to tell them when they will be done - just like how they do now for the release date of the game.  Also, it wouldn't matter if we extended a deadline (i.e. Online Auditions) or closed one as stated on the page (i.e. Costume Contest), Liam would complain, regardless. :P  

As Cesar, Say, Grundy and others who aren't even in the team have said already: we have given you a lot more than other fan-based projects out there, yet it still goes unappreciated and ignored by certain people.  But, I guess this is to be expected since you can never make everyone happy.  

To the fans that are grateful, understanding and supportive, we greatly thank you for your patience. You will all get what you've been waiting for, in time.  8)
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on February 04, 2005, 01:46:05 PM
Yonkey: All true enough, but if you initially say that updates to a given thing will be on some regular basis, then for some reason they no longer are, then people are obviously going to be curious as to what happened. There's no reason to get so totally worked up about it.

There's also no reason to say people are always being "demanding", either. Some of the progress requests I've seen have simply been questions on the lateness of the regular updates. The only things those people are "demanding" are things that were already "promised", in a sense. If the things they were asking about hadn't already been mentioned as coming, they wouldn't be asking about them. :P I guess you guys got a little *too* good at the whole hype thing. XD

Now if you had never set any regular schedule for updates, and people still got pushy, then I could understand getting so riled up and cranky.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on February 04, 2005, 02:56:16 PM
Yonkey: All true enough, but if you initially say that updates to a given thing will be on some regular basis, then for some reason they no longer are, then people are obviously going to be curious as to what happened. There's no reason to get so totally worked up about it.
It's understandable for people to be curious when they don't know what is going on.  When it's the same person asking again and again, after the issue has been addressed by several people already, it goes beyond curiosity.  ::)

There's also no reason to say people are always being "demanding", either. Some of the progress requests I've seen have simply been questions on the lateness of the regular updates. The only things those people are "demanding" are things that were already "promised", in a sense. If the things they were asking about hadn't already been mentioned as coming, they wouldn't be asking about them. :P I guess you guys got a little *too* good at the whole hype thing. XD
True, not everyone is demanding.  However, it's one thing to ask "When?" and another to say: "Hmmm another 6 months have gone by and still no update?  Is the project dead?".  We're not financially obligated to meet deadlines or to even answer questions like this, but we have and still they come back to ask again.  

I wouldn't say we're breaking promises of updates either because we still have continued with weekly updates.  The Freak! polls, Weekly Polls, AOTW and Chamber sessions continued every week.  The AOTW stopped in December because we are working on a new and better feature for this year.  It will be launched with the next update.  Also, we never said that updates are stopping completely, they are just being delayed due to real life.  
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jeysie on February 04, 2005, 03:18:47 PM
(nods) Fair enough. :)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: amarinda on February 05, 2005, 11:29:47 AM
LOL, I was sort of wondering about the AOTW thing, since it hasn't changed since I signed up here, but it had so much there that I didn't care at all. I've looked at it thoroughly 12 times or something, and I like it each time, heh. Was there actually a time you guys put that much different content up EVERY WEEK?!  :o That's... a LOT. Or was that a compilation of all the AOTW that has been posted? In any case, I was just happy to catch that little preview. ;)

And, y'know, you guys have been saying for awhile that this topic is old and overdone, but you're still posting more about it, so I guess you have more to say as well, eh?  :P Well as a newbie who HADN'T heard it before, I found it an interesting historical update.  :suffer:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Louisiana Night on February 05, 2005, 01:25:45 PM
Previously, one image was posted each week.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 05, 2005, 10:25:06 PM
Thanks for the support, Storm.   ;)

Vipt and I explained each our views over IM and now we understand each other okay so it ended well.  Yes, I was hurt and I was kinda joking but the joking went too far for everyone and I got the message loud and clear.  Anyway, I have decided to post infrequently now and let other voices be heard.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: KingsQuestFan4Life on February 06, 2005, 08:09:01 AM
Hi everyone,

This is the first time I have ever posted to these baords but I have been coming to the site off and on for almost 2 years. I myself have been a fan of the Kings Quest series since I first played KQ1 original on my PCjr way back in the day I know I am showing my age lol. I did not realise how ambitious this project was until I acutaly heard the two sound clips from the game. If what I heard in those clips is what I can expect from the finished game then I can't wait to get my greedy little hands on it. So far it seems like a great script, and some really good voice acting and I love the musical score! I am so looking forward to the day when I can finaly play this game. From what I see of the progress so far this finished game seems like a KQ game that would make Ken and Roberta Williams proud that they created a game series that is so beloved by people all over from every aspect of life young and old. I thank you for your hard work on this game and encourage you to keep it up I know when it is done all the hard work you have all put into it will be worth it and all of us fans honestly do apprciate it.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on February 06, 2005, 08:16:19 AM
Welcome KingsQuestFan!

I think you spoke the sentiments of all of us.  I know that some of us can seem impatient at times, but it's just because we're so eager to play the newest King's Quest game, even if it is unofficial. Anyway, we definitely love the team and appreciate all the hard work and time they've dedicated to the project.

KingsQuestFan, I hope you decide to hang around!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: KingsQuestFan4Life on February 06, 2005, 09:40:08 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome koko it is much appriciated, and trust me I will be around often from now on. Once your a Kings Quest fan you are fan for life.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on February 06, 2005, 04:20:24 PM
Welcome KingsQuestFan and thanks for the support!  ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Lil Maniac on February 06, 2005, 06:52:47 PM
Welcome KQF4L(KingsQuestFan4Life) enjoy your stay...
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: uselessidguy331 on February 06, 2005, 10:40:33 PM
Speculations on when this game will be released: Hmm, I'm guessing sometime between tomorrow and December, 2008.  ??? ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on February 08, 2005, 06:59:58 AM
Welcome KingsQuestFan4Life !!!

Glad to have your here, hope you post often :D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: KingsQuestFan4Life on February 09, 2005, 05:25:31 PM
Hey everyone,

Thanks for the warm welcomes they are much appriciated, I really do miss Kings Quest but I miss the classica adventure games that used to be on the market I do wish that genre would make a comback but what can you do? At least the wonderful people are making Kings Quest game for us and from what I can tell they are doing a damn good job keep it up and take your time so you can do it right and in the end be proud of what you have accomplished.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Rosierox on February 17, 2005, 07:05:28 PM
I miss the classica adventure games that used to be on the market I do wish that genre would make a comback but what can you do?

Don't we all, kqf4l? Ah for the good old days. Makes you proud to be witnessing this whole production, eh?
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 19, 2005, 07:34:21 AM
Ah, folks I think the release date will be December 25, 2007.  A nice Christmas/Hanuakah/Quanza/etc. gift for all.   ;D
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Jafar on February 19, 2005, 07:44:30 AM
Quote
 A nice Christmas/Hanuakah/Quanza/etc. gift for all
Or just a free gift for some people. :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: The Hero on February 21, 2005, 02:53:57 PM
May i just say: its out when its out
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: koko_99_2001 on February 23, 2005, 09:31:28 PM
I know...I had tried to get us back on topic.

So...let's try this again...

Progress people...let's talk about progress!
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: amarinda on February 27, 2005, 01:08:52 PM
I know...I had tried to get us back on topic.

So...let's try this again...

Progress people...let's talk about progress!

OK. As of this moment... I haven't made any on my homework!!  ;D

In other news, progress is overrated. Sometime's it's a 2 steps forward, 1 step back kind of thing. So... here's a new question: have there been any distinct setback-type-things on the KQ9 project, and was something valuable garnered from the experience? Like, something that had to be redone or changed completely. Rethought. Replanned. Re...executed. Um. You get the picture. This sounds like a homework question. Maybe I should get back to mine. :P
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Yonkey on February 27, 2005, 10:40:56 PM
Definitely!  I won't get into specifics, but during the summer we spent a great deal of time trying to figure something out in the Programming department, and after months of work, it turned out to be pretty much useless.  It was and is certainly the best way to go about doing what we want to achieve, but in order to get to where we want, we have to do a LOT of work ourselves because we were taking an uncharted but mandatory route.  Anyway, because it was leading us nowhere, we decided to take a different course of action, and may return to the "better" route sometime in the future, when it is better developed for our needs.  The way we solved this problem is by taking an alternate course which isn't the best way to do it, but it is all we can do.  I guess the lesson learned is the best way to do something isn't always the easiest way, and you have to realize the the best way may not even be an option.

That was more about an issue with the game itself being a setback, but there have also been setbacks caused by people.  You can trust too much in people, believing that they can get jobs done and would make a good team member.  A few months later, the person abuses that trust and believes the game is dependant on his schedule and whenever he feels like working on it.  I've been making allowances because their reasons were legit, but as a result, the game as a whole suffers.  One person's assignment may not always be directly related to another's, but they are related in the sense that they are ultimately needed for this game to be completed.

Lesson learned?  Trust is something you can earn, but once broken it can be very difficult to rebuild.  Only rely on people you trust the most, but even then don't assume you can rely on them forever.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: dew7 on February 28, 2005, 09:24:45 AM
"Lesson learned?  Trust is something you can earn, but once broken it can be very difficult to rebuild.  Only rely on people you trust the most, but even then don't assume you can rely on them forever." -- From Neil

I definately agree with you and faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the conviction of things not seen.  I have faith that KQ9 will be released when it is ready.
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: amarinda on February 28, 2005, 09:26:38 AM
Well, I'll give you an 'A' for use of vocabulary, a 'C' for being so infuriatingly vague :P, another 'A' for explaining the situation well despite the amibuity, and a final 'A' for turning in your answer early. Or maybe for having a good grasp of human nature, pessimistic though it sounds. ;) So that's an 'A-' average, not bad... remember, 'A+' is only just around the corner... that perfect answer is obtainable with only a few alterations.  ;D heh heh... (you don't really expect us to stop bugging ya for details, do you??)

If anyone's curious (I know you're not :P) I did actually get all my homework done, yay! Just had to wake up at 5am.  :zzz:
Title: Re:Progress???
Post by: Say on February 28, 2005, 11:00:08 AM
So... here's a new question: have there been any distinct setback-type-things on the KQ9 project, and was something valuable garnered from the experience? Like, something that had to be redone or changed completely. Rethought. Replanned. Re...executed. Um. You get the picture.

Although I believe Neil gave out one of the best answers possible to this question, I must add that many things were re-structured when Cesar took over the development, for example, before they spent over a year and didn't get to finish 2 chapters of the whole plot, and Cesar managed to finish the whole plot in less than a year, with help from Katie and Rich and Michael F of course, and whoever else who was involved, this was the main situation why things just had to change, Cesar actually created the departments, assingned a director, a scheme, deadlines, organization... I should remember, way back then I was just an art assistant.

Long story short, everything has always been re-evaluated but to better things, obviously, it's not easy when life collides and you just must stop and go take care of things, I do know that everyone around here have had previously hard moments working at kq9 because no matter how much we want to sit down and spend our entire days working on this, real life works differently. So, I believe the hardest thing to learn from this, and I think I could speak most of us when I say this, is to stay put together to your own convictions (sp?) even though things are not likely for it, that's got to be the hardest thing to learn and we will see how strong we are once this all is over. The effort of constancy shall be the hardest to achieve through time, I'd say.

So far, I must say I'm not disappointed by the results I've witness through the years, amazing how it has never fell apart, completly the opposite.
Title: Re: Progress???
Post by: Stan on January 23, 2006, 01:11:50 PM
*dusts off thread*

I hope a progress report comes really soon.  Any possible idea when the fans will get a progress report.
Title: Re: Progress???
Post by: awesomeasapossum on January 23, 2006, 03:33:32 PM
They can't really say but remember stuff IS happening. You just have to wait. Think of the people who have been here from the BEGGINING! It's been a long wait but it will be worth it.  8)
Title: Re: Progress???
Post by: dew7 on January 23, 2006, 05:45:39 PM
It looks like it will be worth the wait.   :)
Title: Re: Progress???
Post by: racx_00 on January 23, 2006, 06:57:31 PM
It's been a long time. Nice to see you back Dew :D