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Title: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 11, 2010, 12:10:09 AM
Little qualm that I had ever since the release of the demo was the pronunciation of "Graham".  With exception to perhaps a couple of characters I can think of in the official games, everyone seemed to pronounce his name as "Gray-um".  Now he's known to all as "Gram" (despite other characters saying otherwise in previous games).

Could just be me - over here, I know of nobody who pronounces Graham as "Gram", and it's taking a little getting used to.  But it just seems a weird continuity issue when characters don't pronounce the names of others in the way that they did before.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 11, 2010, 12:11:34 AM
Titania was the only one that bothered me. It was definitely said in KQ7 that her name was pronounced Tie-TAIN-ia, but...eh.

I think at the beginning of KQV, Graham actually pronounces his own name "gram" when he's telling Cedric what to call him.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 11, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
Yes, that's who I was thinking of who pronounced it "Gram" was the king himself, but Cedric pronounced it "Gray-um" straight afterwards!  On top of which, Alexander pronounces it as "Gray-um" in KQ6. 

I did notice that the narrator had a very strange pronunciation of "Valanice" as well (where the a's sounded more like o's), but the most prominent was definitely Titania.

I'd say just for a continuity thing for characters to pronounce names the same way they did in the original talky games, personally speaking.  It doesn't stop me loving the game any less; it's just a nit odd when characters who have pronounced a name one way in a previous game start pronouncing it differently.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: KatieHal on July 11, 2010, 06:28:34 AM
I pronounce it Gram :) Hah, and I'm getting deja vu of this topic on the boards a looong time ago, too!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Alyse on July 11, 2010, 06:45:22 AM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/skyloader/graham_crackers.jpg)

How are these graham crackers pronounced?
Gram.

I figured they were right about Graham's name.

Titania's on the other hand... maybe the speaker just had an accent. I don't remember who said her name, but it threw me off... It was either Oberon or Graham... Hmmmm... I'm going to go back to that part. This is going to bother me.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 11, 2010, 06:49:10 AM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/skyloader/graham_crackers.jpg)

How are these graham crackers pronounced?

Gray-um.  Again, over in my country, there's no such thing as "gram" for a name.  A "gram" is a measurement of weight.  But Graham Crackers here are "gray-um" crackers.

Although I guess to be pedantic, we could always just ditch both pronunciations and pronounce it "gra-ham".  After all, why is the ham in his name so sorely neglected?

But yeah, totally bringing the deja vu back, Katie!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 11, 2010, 06:52:10 AM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/skyloader/graham_crackers.jpg)

How are these graham crackers pronounced?

Gray-um.  Again, over in my country, there's no such thing as "gram" for a name.  A "gram" is a measurement of weight.  But Graham Crackers here are "gray-um" crackers.

Although I guess to be pedantic, we could always just ditch both pronunciations and pronounce it "gra-ham".  After all, why is the ham in his name so sorely neglected?

But yeah, totally bringing the deja vu back, Katie!

I SUPPORT THE 'HAM'...Gray-ham, Gray-um

Gram sounds like Gran and as far as I can tell he's not an old woman...yet (there could be room for this within the story and episodes)

Ah well it's a cultural thing ;) 'Tis beyond my Speech'  :suffer:
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Alyse on July 11, 2010, 06:53:14 AM
Very interesting! I didn't know they were pronounced differently! I'm so uncultured...  :-X

Maybe that's the reason they pronounce Graham's name differently, just different voice-over actors from different backgrounds?

Gra-ham it is!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 11, 2010, 07:03:50 AM
I don't think I would fancy consuming grey ham though; tis beyond its expiry date at that point!  But he will henceforth be a man created from grey lunch meats.  Namely ham.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 11, 2010, 07:04:56 AM
Don't eat yellow snow or gray ham...Gotcha!

Words of advise that will get me through life! <3
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Alyse on July 11, 2010, 07:06:49 AM
Don't eat yellow snow or gray ham...Gotcha!

Words of advise that will get me through life! <3

LOL! This is getting hysterical.

A man of gray lunch meats. Namely ham.

xD That's the best.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 11, 2010, 07:08:27 AM
Welcome to our wonderful (slightly insane) world of forums...you'll be just like us in a matter of hours...(if you aren't already that is  :sneaky:)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 11, 2010, 07:38:22 AM
we could just refer to him as mr G from now on, I don't think people have mis-pronunciation issues with that. ofcourse you have to edit episode 1 to give him a mohawk  :-\
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: kindofdoon on July 11, 2010, 07:47:24 AM
This reminds me...In the demo for TSL released a few years ago, the narrator referred to "Valanice" as "Valiance". That really bothered me.

There was one more obvious name mispronunciation, but I can't remember it now...

I was happy to see they fixed it for yesterday's release.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Tage7 on July 11, 2010, 07:48:36 AM
'Tis beyond my Speech'  :suffer:
:suffer: I loved it.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 11, 2010, 07:52:24 AM
'Tis beyond my Speech'  :suffer:
:suffer: I loved it.

;) I was pretty proud of that one liner myself

Thanks for noticing *bows*
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 12, 2010, 01:46:44 PM
I pronounce it Gram :) Hah, and I'm getting deja vu of this topic on the boards a looong time ago, too!
You are.
I wasn't gonna say anything but since someone else brought it up, I remember saying a looonnnng time ago that Graham is a two syllable name and we had this big long discussion about it. :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Reubs1 on July 12, 2010, 09:08:38 PM
I was actually more bothered with the pronunciation of the name 'Azure'. The second syllable does not begin with a straight 'z' sound. It should sound more like the the second syllable of 'trea-sure' or mea-sure'.

Am I the only one that noticed this? I'm surprised that no one has pointed it out on this topic.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: noonchild on July 12, 2010, 09:24:39 PM
I'm a Gram man myself.


How does everyone else pronounce Manannan?  I've always pronounced it Man-uh-nan but recently I heard someone say Mah-nan-nan.  (http://www.friendscafe.org/forum/images/smilies/raisedeyebrow.gif)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: wilco64256 on July 12, 2010, 09:41:41 PM
I've always pronounced it the second way you wrote it out.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: noonchild on July 12, 2010, 09:43:53 PM
Man-eeh-wah????

 ;)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: wilco64256 on July 12, 2010, 09:47:01 PM
Mah-nan-nan.

Sort of like banana but starting with an m and with an extra n on the end.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: noonchild on July 12, 2010, 09:47:58 PM
Oh no I heard you, I was just joking around.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 12, 2010, 10:38:04 PM
In KQV, Mordack pronounces it Muh-NAN-an.

And I've always pronounced the color "azure" as Ah-Zewer, so that's my 2 cents. XP
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: wilco64256 on July 12, 2010, 10:43:15 PM
Yeah I figured you did, I just thought the banana thing was funny and wanted a good excuse to post it.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: noonchild on July 12, 2010, 10:57:29 PM
In KQV, Mordack pronounces it Muh-NAN-an.

And I've always pronounced the color "azure" as Ah-Zewer, so that's my 2 cents. XP

That's where I heard it!  The version I played as a kid didn't have character voices, all text.


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Yeah I figured you did, I just thought the banana thing was funny and wanted a good excuse to post it.

He probably was called Bananannan by his chums at little wizards school.  That or Pat Buchanannan.  Explains his hatred for life.  
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: megluc on July 12, 2010, 11:06:34 PM
I have always pronounced it "Gram"...I thought everyone did, lol.  :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 13, 2010, 12:29:23 AM
Man-uh-nan here.  Although I could see myself interchanging.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: theroachyjay on July 13, 2010, 02:49:47 AM
Isn't there an Easter Egg in KQI where if you typed in "What is Grahams last name?" it says "Cracker"?
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 13, 2010, 02:51:34 AM
I think it was in KQII, but I definitely recall that egg.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: tassieboy on July 13, 2010, 02:58:44 AM
I think "Gram" must be an American thing. I'd never heard it myself until a few weeks ago when I was listening to Americans talk about King's Quest on youTube.

I've also never heard of a graham cracker, so I never really understood that particular easter egg.

My father-in-law is a Graham and he is most deffinately a Gray-um
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: theroachyjay on July 13, 2010, 03:01:06 AM
I think it was in KQII, but I definitely recall that egg.

I believe that you may be correct.  :)

Cedric is the only one I recall actually pronouncing it "Gray-um." And I think Roberta is American, so I'd argue that "gram" is likely the correct pronunciation.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 13, 2010, 03:36:55 AM
Rah!
It's spelt "Graham", it's pronounced "Graham", this is not a matter of opinion! "Gram" is something else entirely -- it is a unit of measurement.
Trust me, I know, my name is Graham and I'm American. The European/American difference is this: in Europe it's more likely to be pronounced "Grayham" whereas in America it's more likely to be pronounced "Grayhum".
I mean, look at the word. Does it look like a single syllable? NO.
And I'd argue that since Roberta named her main character that, she would know how to actually say it.

Calming down now, promise. :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 13, 2010, 03:53:24 AM
How does everyone else pronounce Manannan?  I've always pronounced it Man-uh-nan but recently I heard someone say Mah-nan-nan.  (http://www.friendscafe.org/forum/images/smilies/raisedeyebrow.gif)

I sometimes have problems pronouncing repetative syllables, so I usually dont bother. I just call him Manananananana
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 13, 2010, 03:57:23 AM
do you like banananananas rob?  :D

Do they say "Gram" in any particular place in the US or is it all over?
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: theroachyjay on July 13, 2010, 04:12:29 AM
do you like banananananas rob?  :D

Do they say "Gram" in any particular place in the US or is it all over?

I don't know but I feel like going on a cross country trip and polling people now.  While I've been all over the US, it's not really a word you overhear people discussing that often on the street.  They've always been "gram" crackers to my family.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: GwydionAE on July 13, 2010, 04:14:06 AM
I'd never heard Graham pronounced "Gray-um" until I heard the narrator say it in KQV, and I'm from the Midwest (US).  My siblings and I found the narrator's pronunciation of his name just as amusing as the death puns, so we'd often mimic "The witch caught Graham 'toad'ily off guard." for his name just as much as the "toadily".  But after that I became used to calling him that.

I still refer to graham crackers as "gram", though.  Can't say I've heard anyone say it differently around here.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 13, 2010, 04:23:41 AM
do you like banananananas rob?  :D

if you loose the -s I do!

It is called banaan in dutch, much easier!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 13, 2010, 04:32:25 AM
I'd heard of Gram Crackers but I thought it was just a name (not realted to Graham in anyway)

Sidewalk/Pavement
Highway/Motorway
Rotary/Roundabout
Elevator/Lift
Gram/Graham

 :suffer:
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 13, 2010, 04:36:01 AM
Graham is actually a mixture of grains that those crackers were initially made of, much healthier than what most crackers were made of at the time they were invented. I don't honestly know if that's what they're still made of though. The name Graham (also spelled Graeme or Grahame), however, is supposed to mean "gray or gravelly place" (or "gravelly homestead", depending who you ask :P)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 13, 2010, 04:59:03 AM
*boys down to the gravelly one"

Mine means "one who rules" so everybody bow down to me too :say:  :suffer:
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: auroraambria on July 13, 2010, 06:09:58 AM
Wow! Who knew a name could lead to such a bone of discontent! Well, I'm sure the fault is mine and my midwestern accent. There were several names I needed correction on. Don't recall Graham's ever being one.

I'm ready for my lashings, whichever the case.  ::)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 13, 2010, 06:21:59 AM
ohhh! everyone loves a good public lashing!

Maybe we can see it life on stream!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 13, 2010, 10:25:02 AM
Maybe we'll get a future patch where Graham is pronounced properly.

And then maybe one where he's known as "Grey Ham"?
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 13, 2010, 01:05:26 PM
Wow! Who knew a name could lead to such a bone of discontent! Well, I'm sure the fault is mine and my midwestern accent.

I knew there was some of the midwest in your speech, but everyone else I talked to had no idea of what I was talking about.... XD
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 13, 2010, 03:28:53 PM
Amy, it was really nothing against your narrating or accent at all, you know I <3 you! Most people in America have never met anyone named Graham either, so I suppose things like the pronunciation aren't as common knowledge as they are in my world. After all, when I meet people they hear me pronounce my name so they get it right. :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 13, 2010, 03:34:44 PM
Not only Americans, you are the first person I know with that name besides some guy from an old adventure game!  ;)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 13, 2010, 03:35:35 PM
Apparently it's a very common name in the UK.

Keemeh, confirm that? :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: snabbott on July 13, 2010, 03:43:44 PM
This reminds me...In the demo for TSL released a few years ago, the narrator referred to "Valanice" as "Valiance". That really bothered me.

There was one more obvious name mispronunciation, but I can't remember it now...

I was happy to see they fixed it for yesterday's release.
Allaria was originally pronounced Al-lee-ar-ah.

Wow! Who knew a name could lead to such a bone of discontent! Well, I'm sure the fault is mine and my midwestern accent.

I knew there was some of the midwest in your speech, but everyone else I talked to had no idea of what I was talking about.... XD
Amy lives in Wisconsin just like me!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on July 14, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
They're definitely usually called "gram" crackers where I'm from. (Midwestern US)

Graham is sort of one of those words where the syllables kind of blend together, I think. Crayon is sort of another example. It think it's the "two vowel sounds in a row" thing that throws people off.

There's also vampire (not with vowels, but still). I've debated that one on two-syllables vs. three syllables many a time.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: wilco64256 on July 14, 2010, 09:59:09 PM
It'd be odd to refer to them as gray-ham crackers.  Ew.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 14, 2010, 10:17:16 PM
*has actually no idea what those crackers are and why people bother trying to figure out how to pronounce them instead of eating*
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: tessspoon on July 14, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
Yep, they're "gram" crackers to me too. Now I want a s'more...

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w231/tessspoon/smore1.jpg)

How do you say vampire differently? ???
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 14, 2010, 10:27:33 PM
Vam-pire as opposed to vam-pie-er, I believe. :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: tessspoon on July 14, 2010, 10:34:25 PM
Ahh, got it.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on July 14, 2010, 11:20:45 PM
Well, I didn't mean it as choppily as vam-pie-er. It more depends on how many syllables you think the "ire" part is.

So I guess what I really meant was that one was more how you perceived it, as opposed to Graham, which also includes pronunciation.

So yeah, I went on an unnecessary tangent.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 15, 2010, 10:26:35 AM
In my part of the UK, I've known a fair few Grahams.  They're all "grey-um"s.

Maybe the reason why the US is so reluctant to go metric with their measurements is because they'll mix up "gram" weights and "gram" names?

I FIGURED YOU ALL OUT.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Lambonius on July 15, 2010, 10:30:31 AM
Except that Graham is a VERY uncommon first name in the U.S.  ;)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: B'rrr on July 15, 2010, 12:02:31 PM
but the crackers aren't?

And Leanne, doesn't UK uses ounces and such?
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: tessspoon on July 15, 2010, 12:35:56 PM
Nope, can get them at any grocery store.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 15, 2010, 12:53:28 PM
Except that Graham is a VERY uncommon first name in the U.S.  ;)
It is! I've only ever met one other!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 15, 2010, 05:08:38 PM
I know a Graham here in Canada. We always called him "Gram" and he himself as well. But everywhere in the games he was always referred to as Gray-um. Mah-NAN-nan is the correct pronunciation. And I assumed Titania was "Tit-AH-neeya".

Similarly, I also always used to assume that the X-Files theme started on the off-beat (that is, the measure would start right at the same time the first note starts). I was quite taken aback when I heard other versions of the theme start at a different point (the first note is actually on the 4th count of the previous bar) and then noticed the correlation in the actual theme itself. I was quite let down lol. It's different than I remember it when I was young and changes your whole outlook.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 16, 2010, 12:57:30 AM
Apparently it's a very common name in the UK.

Keemeh, confirm that? :P

Yes I know several grahams :) none of them are called Gram!  ;D
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 16, 2010, 01:48:31 AM
Anyone else really want graham crackers because of this thread? :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: theroachyjay on July 16, 2010, 08:55:23 AM
Anyone else really want graham crackers because of this thread? :P

Yes.  Especially the chocolate ones.  That sparkle.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: lizardjim on July 18, 2010, 09:43:27 AM
I get the impression that Gram only came about because this is largely an American production. However, it is weird that a company like Sierra would have the narrator pronounce his name Gray-am (the Anglicised way of saying it). So I don't know - is this a regional thing in the States?!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Baggins on July 18, 2010, 12:00:45 PM
Yes, its probably because its American production. I knew a "Graham" once, he pronounced his name "Gram", and yes he was American.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: crayauchtin on July 18, 2010, 02:38:09 PM
Ewww at all of these people saying it's "Gram" -- Baggins, was this Graham you knew slightly touched in the head? :P That is simply NOT how you pronounce it! It is sometimes pronounced like "Gra-am" in the US though, now that I'm thinking of it, which might be interpreted as "Gram" when it's really just a silent "h". I can see how that could be misheard...

Anyways, lizardjim, it makes sense they would use the anglicized version of the name since the name originates in England and since Roberta has said that Daventry is supposed to be a place in England a long long time ago.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 18, 2010, 03:34:45 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daventry

We even have a Daventry over here!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Baggins on July 18, 2010, 03:36:40 PM
No, he was sane, :p, so were his parents...

As for the US, we have so much variety here regionaly linguistically, you can't just lock it down to one area of pronunciation.

If we go to dictionaries they actually list multiple pronuncations as being "correct", including "gra-ham" and "gram", :p.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/graham

My guess its just subtle dialect differences from different regions. Linguistics can be complicated.

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England and since Roberta has said that Daventry is supposed to be a place in England a long long time ago

Actually, she's never said that "specifically". The most specific quote she has ever mentioned on the subject is in the "quote" at the bottom of my posts... She doesn't specifically state its "england", although I can see how that could be assumed. It might also explain why they switched over to older English style in MOE...

If you went the Companion route, Peter Spear states that Daventry in England, as mentioned in Shakespeare has nothing to do with the Kingdom of Daventry.

That being said, the English, Daventry is still alive and well :). Archaeology could be interesting there, but people know where it is, it hasn't upped and disappeared. People know exactly where it is, its still thriving.

There is also an injoke in KQ3, where its implied that Daventry is in/near Yosemite, LOL. If you look at a peculiar looking mountain top.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: theroachyjay on July 18, 2010, 08:49:19 PM
Ewww at all of these people saying it's "Gram" -- Baggins, was this Graham you knew slightly touched in the head? :P That is simply NOT how you pronounce it!

I actually also knew a Graham who pronounced it "Gram."  I think when it's your name, you have a right to choose how you want it pronounced.  It's an identity thing.  Like, my name "Jules" is a French name that is supposed to be pronounced something to the effect of "ZHYUL," but I much prefer "Jewels."  I don't think that makes me crazy.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: sahara on July 18, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Along similar lines, I wondered about the way Lolotte was pronounced in TSL.  Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the name pronounced Low-LOT-uh?  
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Rosella on July 18, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
I always pronounced it Luh-lote. :P
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Baggins on July 19, 2010, 05:37:28 AM
Lolotte is pronounced in KQ7, but I don't remember how exactly. It might have been "Low-Lote" It's in the end game sequence, I think Edgar prouncounes it if you save him, and either Titania or Oberon prounonces it, if you let Edgar die.

Dialects, its the whole to-may-to, to-mah-to dillemma. Both are right. It all depends on the dialect of the speaker...

There are a few states or cities in the US that have different pronunciations depending on where you are from. Hawaii for example can be pronounced Ha-wai-eee (the modern standard), or Ha-vai-eee (traditional hawaiian). Missouri ranges from Mis-zour-eee to Mis-zour-ruh (depending on which region you are from)

I'd recommend taking a course in linguistics if you want to learn a bit more about languages, pronuncations and dialects.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: MangoMercury on July 19, 2010, 10:15:57 AM
It was pronounced "Luh-Lote" in KQ7.  I'd always pronounced it "Luh-Lott" before then and still tend to do so.
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: kindofdoon on July 19, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daventry

We even have a Daventry over here!

Wow! That's really cool!
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Kimmie on July 21, 2010, 01:24:29 AM
not really that cool, there's no castle  :suffer: if only they'd had forsight and built one, then we could have had a TSL trip ;)
Title: Re: "Gram", and the pronunciation of character names
Post by: Baggins on July 21, 2010, 07:27:50 AM
There are no castles or ruins of castles in the entire district of Daventry (not speaking of the city of Daventry)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daventry_(district)