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Title: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 11, 2010, 09:59:07 PM
Enjoying the game so far. One thing I'd like to suggest and/or plead to the developers that should be brought back is the ability that all old Sierra games had. When you click the middle-button on the mouse it would automatically switch from whatever cursour is currently active to the walk cursour and if you pressed it again it would go back to the cursour you previously had active. I know it's too late for episode 1, but is it at all possible this function could be implemented into the future episodes? Please? It's very handy and I find myself missing it very much.

Excellent work, you guys.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 11, 2010, 10:00:16 PM
When you right-click it does automatically switch the the next icon. :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 11, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
Just tried that in Space Quest 4, Space Quest 5, and King's Quest 5 and that didn't happen in any of those games.  Do you know specifically which games that works in?  Maybe KQ6 or 7, I can't try those right now.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 11, 2010, 10:22:13 PM
No, I'm not talking about cycling through the available icons. When you press the middle icon it switches directly to the walk icon no matter which icon you have selected. And if you press it again you go back to the previous icon you had selected. And back and forth.

All SCI1.0 and SCI1.1 games have this function. As well as SCI32 games with more than one available icon action. From KQ5 all the way up to Gabriel Knight and Space Quest 6. It won't work if the game doesn't sense that you have a 3-buttom mouse, though. Trust me, it works. I have an old 486 that I do my classic gaming on and it does this all the time.

AGDI replicated this function in their Sierra remakes as well. And IA as well for the upcoming SQ2 (I don't think their KQ3 remake was ever patched with this ability...they didn't know of its existence in early Sierra games either).
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Cez on July 11, 2010, 10:24:15 PM
Can definitely look into it!
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 11, 2010, 10:27:42 PM
I am grateful, thank you. :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 11, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
Huh.  I never knew about that. :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 11, 2010, 10:31:03 PM
Ah very cool, the way I'm playing them must just not realize I have a middle mouse button.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 11, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Right?  They didn't have a middle mouse button in the early 90s when the original KQ's were out, it's not in my gaming blood to use that button. ;)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: oberonqa on July 11, 2010, 10:40:32 PM
Yea I'm with Haids on this one... I didn't even HAVE a 3-button mouse when I was growing up playing adventure games.  I had a trackball mouse for a short period of time... but that thing was absolute murder to play games with.

No... for the longest time... I played games with a 2-button mouse (complete with a serial adapter).  Heck.... I didn't even know there was two versions of KQ4 until a couple of years ago..... I had the AGI version of KQ4.  A shame I can't remember where that is packed away.... that's worth quite a bit of money these days and is quite the collectors item!
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 11, 2010, 10:46:33 PM
They did have 3-button mice at that time. They had them in the late 80s too. Trust me, guys. This works.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 11, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
LOL@Serial Mouse.  Wow flashbacks.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 11, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
Trust me, guys. This works.
Nobody doesn't trust you. :) We're just saying that 3-button mouses weren't common in the glory days of KQ, so we never think to use them now that we have them.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 11, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
Ah. I thought you were saying they didn't exist. It's late and my eyes are glazing over everything heh.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: oberonqa on July 11, 2010, 10:56:05 PM
They did have 3-button mice at that time. They had them in the late 80s too. Trust me, guys. This works.

Oh I remember seeing them at CompUSA when I went to oogle the computer game selection.... I just never had one.  In fact, I can't think of anyone that I knew who had a computer who had a 3 button mouse when I was growing up.  The first 3 button mouse I used was when I was in college... and that was well into the beginning of the Modern Internet (read:  netscape browser)

When my old man bought a Dell 386 computer so we could play KQ5... it came with a 2 button mouse.  When I got a Tandy Sensation for Christmas 1994... it had a 2 button mouse.  Heck.... when we had a Tandy 1000EX (the little small one with the 3.5" floppy drive instead of the 5.25" drives that came with the Tandy 1000SX and had the keyboard built into the unit)... it came with a 2 button mouse so you could fiddle around with Deskmate.

So yea... even though 3 button mice were around... I'm pretty sure most people didn't use them... at least not until Windows 95 came around.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 11, 2010, 10:57:21 PM
Ah. I thought you were saying they didn't exist. It's late and my eyes are glazing over everything heh.
Well, Cez said he'd consider your request. :) Hopefully it'll be a feature in the newer chapters and we'll all get to see it.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: B'rrr on July 11, 2010, 11:13:03 PM
Ah. I thought you were saying they didn't exist.

Haids did say that! Lets burn her, ehm... do something against it...
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 11, 2010, 11:14:46 PM
 :'(

This coming from my betrothed.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: B'rrr on July 12, 2010, 12:26:46 AM
What can I say, I love Monty Python  ;)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Cez on July 12, 2010, 12:53:30 AM
I think I remember 3 button ones being very popular back then, actually. Or maybe I'm just dreaming it. They weren't like today's wheel like ones, they were actually 3 buttons.

I don't remember the Sierra options to it.

Maybe I'm just very crazy, which wouldn't surprise me :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: B'rrr on July 12, 2010, 01:07:26 AM
Only thing I remember of the first 3 button mouse is that I hought it was so useless! I never used the middle button for anything! Don't think I had them late 80's already, but early/halfway 90's for sure.

Maybe I'm just very crazy, which wouldn't surprise me :)

 :-X :-X ::)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 12, 2010, 01:38:48 AM
Thing is, even if you had a 3-button mouse it wouldn't do you any good unless you had a driver that would actually figure out it has 3 buttons. I had a lot of trouble with that. The PS/2->Serial converters were the biggest problem. Somehow in the conversion it would only tell the computer (or at least the driver) that the mouse had only two buttons. Only one of my mice actually work with 3 buttons and it came with its own converter.

EDIT: I just tried KQ5 in DOSBox and it works.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: koko_99_2001 on July 12, 2010, 05:26:33 AM
On our old computer, we had a trackball with three buttons. And I'd say we had that at least in the early 90s. I don't recall if we had the trackball in the 80s though. :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: KatieHal on July 12, 2010, 10:40:47 AM
I think the 3-button mouse had its brief moment in the spotlight of trendiness before people realized 2-button mice were all they needed. :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Tage7 on July 12, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
Hey, I loved my 3-button mouse. It allowed me to destroy punks in Counter Strike. :P
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 12, 2010, 11:04:18 AM
I now have a mouse that has like 5 or 6 buttons (see, I don't even know) but I still only use two.  The only thing I use the third one for is scrolling.  The only time I've ever tried to use it for clicking anything was when I was trying out that icon trick.  It didn't work for me but that's probably just the way the games emulate through Gametap.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Cez on July 12, 2010, 04:51:28 PM
hey it could be worse and be like a mac....

WITH ONE BUTTON.

argh!
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: crayauchtin on July 13, 2010, 03:08:25 AM
I like the one button!
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on July 13, 2010, 07:48:32 PM
I use the third mouse button to close tabs in Firefox and almost anything else with tabs without having to press the X button. I've grown quite used to using it for almost everything now. Mostly games, though. I also appreciate the left and right scroll button toggles (that is, you can move the actual scroll wheel left or right and it triggers two separate click actions apart from the actual middle mouse click or scroll-wheel). Handy for back and forward buttons while browsing.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: misomian on July 17, 2010, 04:40:37 PM
I'd love it if cycling through actions could be done with the scroll wheel. I appreciated the keyboard shortcuts though; saved me a lot of clickety-click-clicking with the right mouse button.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: kindofdoon on July 18, 2010, 07:27:51 PM
hey it could be worse and be like a mac....

WITH ONE BUTTON.

argh!

Have you used a Mac in the last 5 years?
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: snabbott on July 18, 2010, 09:43:54 PM
hey it could be worse and be like a mac....

WITH ONE BUTTON.

argh!

Have you used a Mac in the last 5 years?
Did they add a second mouse button?  :o
The worst was the round i-Mac mouse! I was always grabbing it in the wrong orientation and then the cursor would move in some semi-random direction.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: k3n on July 18, 2010, 11:02:43 PM
here is how it was done in the ms-dos days:
http://www.ece.ul.ie/homepage/tom_newe/Modules/CE4204/advdos-Duncan.pdf#page=449

kinda makes me miss my ms-dos programming reference book and appreciate human interface devices apis.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 19, 2010, 08:37:55 AM
Oh wow I remember having to play around with stuff like that.  Hours editing files on 3.5" boot disks to get each specific game to run just right.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: kindofdoon on July 19, 2010, 03:35:45 PM
hey it could be worse and be like a mac....

WITH ONE BUTTON.

argh!

Have you used a Mac in the last 5 years?
Did they add a second mouse button?  :o
The worst was the round i-Mac mouse! I was always grabbing it in the wrong orientation and then the cursor would move in some semi-random direction.

Where have you been? Yes, Apple mice now have 2 buttons. Aesthetically, Apple mice still have one button, but you can click on the left and rights sides of it (left or right clicks).
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 19, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
I'm not sure if I would like that or not, one button but two click zones?  Yikes.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: kindofdoon on July 19, 2010, 10:58:55 PM
It takes some getting used to, but it's fine for most functionality. I just wouldn't be caught dead gaming with it!
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 19, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
It'd be like making all the black keys on the piano keyboard level with the white ones.  I use the feel of those to know where my hands are and I use that little bit of separation on my mouse to keep my fingers on the right buttons :P
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 20, 2010, 12:12:02 AM
hey it could be worse and be like a mac....

WITH ONE BUTTON.

argh!

The strangest part is that after all these years, Apple still stands by the one-button mouse. It's like they don't even comprehend the act of "right-clicking". 
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 20, 2010, 09:00:18 AM
Same reason why I very rarely use the touchpad on my laptop, it doesn't know when I'm tapping it for a left click and when I'm tapping with a different finger for right-click.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: kindofdoon on July 20, 2010, 10:07:40 AM
It'd be like making all the black keys on the piano keyboard level with the white ones.  I use the feel of those to know where my hands are and I use that little bit of separation on my mouse to keep my fingers on the right buttons :P

That's a pretty accurate analogy. For that reason, I prefer Windows mice.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: shadyparadox on July 20, 2010, 01:08:19 PM
I'd love it if cycling through actions could be done with the scroll wheel.

AGDI does this, and I like it except for some reason the icons scroll the same direction whether you move the mouse wheel up or down, which is annoying if you scroll too far.

If scrolling down progressed through the icons forward and scrolling up progressed through them backwards, that would be ideal, imo.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Haids1987 on July 20, 2010, 06:27:34 PM
*Waves*

Hi ShadyParadox!  I recognize you from youtube. :yes:
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: kindofdoon on July 20, 2010, 06:39:33 PM
I thought that name was familiar...
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: B'rrr on July 20, 2010, 07:16:42 PM
but is it the same person? *peers*
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: shadyparadox on July 20, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Hello, and yes it is me. I'm surprised that I'm recognized around here.  8)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: garyoa1 on July 20, 2010, 10:25:20 PM
Enjoying the game so far. One thing I'd like to suggest and/or plead to the developers that should be brought back is the ability that all old Sierra games had. When you click the middle-button on the mouse it would automatically switch from whatever cursour is currently active to the walk cursour and if you pressed it again it would go back to the cursour you previously had active. I know it's too late for episode 1, but is it at all possible this function could be implemented into the future episodes? Please? It's very handy and I find myself missing it very much.

Excellent work, you guys.

Don't remember that at all. Remember W A S D on the keyboard like all adventure games did. (psst. It works in this game too!) :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on July 20, 2010, 10:28:15 PM
Except for the oldest text-based ones.  WASD couldn't have worked on those, just arrow keys.  But that's getting back into the earlier KQ games.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: garyoa1 on July 20, 2010, 10:36:38 PM
Quite correct, Wilco! :)  As an old die hard adventure gamer here, I'm having a blast reading these forums. Quite a few newbies to adventure games here. Sure hope you guys help bring the genre back into the fore front so we can get some companies putting out more of them. :)
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: crayauchtin on July 20, 2010, 10:42:05 PM
Hello, and yes it is me. I'm surprised that I'm recognized around here.  8)
We love your playthroughs here! If you go in the archives, I think there's a discussion on our favorite LPers and you came up a lot!
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on September 22, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
Since I'm unable to play Episode Two, I was wondering if this feature I requested ever made it into the game.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: wilco64256 on September 22, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
Since I'm unable to play Episode Two, I was wondering if this feature I requested ever made it into the game.

For Episode 2 it didn't, we did remember that you had brought it up but were working mostly on things that a lot more people had mentioned so we didn't get around to this one.  We'll take a better look at it for 3 (and if we make it work in 3 it'll work retroactively for 1 and 2 as well).
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Cez on September 22, 2010, 10:34:28 PM
yeah, we should be able to put that it for this next episode. We just had too many features to test last episode.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: atec123 on September 23, 2010, 06:27:04 AM
Since I'm unable to play Episode Two, I was wondering if this feature I requested ever made it into the game.
why can't you play episode 2?
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Enchantermon on September 23, 2010, 12:56:25 PM
Yes, Apple mice now have 2 buttons. Aesthetically, Apple mice still have one button, but you can click on the left and rights sides of it (left or right clicks).
Thank goodness. At least they're approaching some sense with their mouse. I couldn't stand how they only had one button; drove me crazy.

On topic, I never realized this function existed. I always just cycled through the cursors. Then again, I never had a three-button mouse until a few years ago, which is probably part of the reason. :P
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: atec123 on September 23, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
Yes, Apple mice now have 2 buttons. Aesthetically, Apple mice still have one button, but you can click on the left and rights sides of it (left or right clicks).
Thank goodness. At least they're approaching some sense with their mouse. I couldn't stand how they only had one button; drove me crazy.

On topic, I never realized this function existed. I always just cycled through the cursors. Then again, I never had a three-button mouse until a few years ago, which is probably part of the reason. :P
you can also use most normal windows mice on macs.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Enchantermon on September 23, 2010, 02:47:15 PM
Can you? I've never tried it. Any time I used a Mac, though, the owner always had an Apple one-button mouse hooked up to it.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: kindofdoon on September 23, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Yes, provided it's standard USB. I use a Windows mouse on my Mac whenever I have to do freehand selections or drawings in Photoshop.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: Enchantermon on September 23, 2010, 03:07:22 PM
That's good to know then, thanks.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on September 23, 2010, 04:04:54 PM
why can't you play episode 2?

http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=9375.0
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: atec123 on September 23, 2010, 04:43:35 PM
why can't you play episode 2?

http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=9375.0
You have an ubuntu install on there too right?

if so, try and run it in Wine.  I think I remember you saying you used ubuntu but that was a LONG time ago.
Title: Re: Middle-Button Mouse Click Function
Post by: MusicallyInspired on September 23, 2010, 05:04:18 PM
No. That was on my older computer. Which isn't hooked up. Also, this conversation would be better had in that other thread, which is why I linked to it.