Hey I was just wondering, will you use your mouse to play this, or the keyboard? Someone may have allretty asked this, I just didt see it.
Thanks
Mouse
point & click interface.
Actually thats quite an interesting question ;D, seeing that the other 3D Adventure games these days are keyboard operated :-\
welcome to our forums! and I <3 your name :P!
LOL! Welcome The_dumbest_name! ;D
Yeah, your username's definitely one of the funniest ones we've seen around here! XD
WELCOME!! The_dumbest_name! ...hahaha cool name ; ) ...hope you'll enjoy these forums ; )
Generic name compliment here, TDN!
Welcome and such. Please join me in tormenting the cannibalistic César until he reveals the most intricate plot details of KQ9 :3
Can i join ya mango ??? ;D
Welcome, O Dumbly Named One! XD Perhaps there will be a combo between using the mouse and the keyboard? Maybe if you want to walk around with the arrow keys, I dunno.
Eh... as long as it's optional. I vastly prefer moving with the mouse. The keyboard-based movement in Grim Fandango and MI4 was something I found rather frustrating. :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
Welcome The_dumbest_name ;-D
aww how nice is everyone to welcome new comers :D
[shadow=teal,left,down]Welcome to the forum, The_dumbest_name!! ;D[/shadow]
Jeysie -
Walking with the arrow keys wasn't the most frustrating part of Grim Fandango... using the letter keys for preforming actions was. I could never figure out which one does what, and finished the game pressing all of them until I found the correct one every time ::)
Controlling Grim Fandango was awkward at first, but I became used to the controls after five minutes of experimentation in Manny's office at the beginning. Great, great game, that.
It was hard to find out which objects you could collect :-\, cos you couldnt just click :(, you had to look around and hit enter when you thought you could pick something up :-\
Ah, but if you just press Enter when he turns his head, you miss so many funny lines. I prefer to look at the object first (E) before picking it up (Enter, P).
Not to diss Storm, but I found the action keys to usually be easy to keep track of, just because most of them were pretty logical... I for Inventory, U for Use item, P for Pick up or Put away, E for Examine, etc. Of course, I ended up just mapping them to my gamepad anyway. ;) And I do have the advantage of one, being a native English speaker, and two, having spent many an afternoon as a rugrat messing around with text adventures. ;D
The directional controls were a bit easier to handle with my gamepad, but I still didn't like them much. Certainly not compared to Gabriel Knight 3's control methods, for instance.
Peace & Luv, Liz
What kind of gamepad do you have? I need one of those. ;)
Quote from: Oldbushie on March 23, 2004, 12:46:41 AMWhat kind of gamepad do you have? I need one of those. ;)
I have a Logitech Wingman RumblePad. It's a nice little controller, decent design, good amount of buttons, and wasn't too expensive. I'm not sure if they sell the exact same model anymore, though... I bought it a few years ago. Still, Logitech's a good brand. I have a Logitech keyboard and mouse, too. :)
Peace & Luv, Liz
I love my Belkin Nostromo n45 and n50 keypad and gamepad. They are totally mappable and are rugged as all get out. The responsiveness is excellent as well.
I have tried a lot of joysticks and joypads in the past (from Microsoft, Cybex and Logitech) and I have found these to be the best.
I use the n50 keypad for 1st person shooters (along with my trackball) and I use the n50 for pretty much everything else (I love using it for flight games, like Freelancer).
Best of all, for their quality, I think they're well priced.
Quote from: Jeysie on March 22, 2004, 04:43:19 PM
Not to diss Storm, but I found the action keys to usually be easy to keep track of, just because most of them were pretty logical... I for Inventory, U for Use item, P for Pick up or Put away, E for Examine, etc.
I'm not sure my keys were configured that way :-\
Anyway, I tried playing Grim Fandango with a Microsoft Sidewinder, but it was very uncomfortable, especially when I would use the motion sensor - then all I could do is make him run in circles and into walls :S
I just used the good old keyboard ;D, the only reason i did was cos i dont have a gamepad :-\
Hi, I would like this to be made using the mouse, because I really didnt care for the keyboard comtrols in kq8. I didnt mine the controls on kq5 6 and 7.
lol This is always my name, It all started back in ebay, when I could not think of a name to use. I made it that, and then I would always tell every one that I had the dumbest name. lol
Since they said it's a point & click interface, you'll probably get your wish... ;)
I found the movement in GF and the use of the hotkeys better manageable than the movement in MI4 (Keyboard movement and juggling different options. *shudder*)
Anyway, I prefer p&c anytime.
Yeah i also found MI4's movement harder than GF's
Is it just me though but does point and click just make adventure game mindless, because you have very few options to choose from.
I highly recommended games where you had to type in the command...then you almost had an endless supply of actions to choose from; thus, you have a multiple ways of doing things. A lot of times while pointng and clicking I accidently solve problems (like 75 percent of the time)...no thinking whatsoever. You can't type in "Fill Man Hole with Leaves" by accident
It's a different interaction entirely. Some prefer text parser, some prefer keyboard controls, some prefer point-n-click. The thing with any of them is to make them as adaptable as possible. Like point-n-click, don't make it quite so easy and obvious, but don't make it pixel-hunting. Text parser, don't make it so restrictive of what you need to type to get it right (personally that was what always bugged me the most about the text...that and typing speed in a timed situation). Keyboard controls, make them reasonable - I admit to not having played much of the keyboard controlled games, but I haven't preferred that method.
Point-n-click doesn't take away the thinking part. Sure, you could get it by accident, but same with the others, too. You still need to figure out what to use where, how and possibly need to manipulate objects first and so forth. There's still some mind & thinking processes in there.
Bearing in mind that I'm someone who grew up with Commodore 64s and text adventures... I *hate* text parsers. :P
For me personally, the "difficulty" that text parsers add is usually mostly superficial. I never really had any more difficulty finding the solutions to puzzles in text parser games than I do with puzzles in point-n-click games... the only difference was that with a text parser I had to figure out how the programmer wanted me to tell the game what I wanted to do. IMHO, that's solely an interface thing... and I don't consider fighting with the game interface to be fun. :P
The best example I can think of was in Space Quest 3. There's one part where you're on a conveyor belt that's leading you to your doom, and you have to escape it. Above you is a rail that you're supposed to jump to and walk on. I figured that out pretty quickly... the problem was getting the game to do it. I tried JUMP RAIL, JUMP ON RAIL, GRAB RAIL, everything I could think of. It wasn't until I finally got fed up and just tried JUMP that it worked. Seeing as how I knew how to solve the puzzle from the get-go, was that all really an improvement than just clicking the HAND or USE icon on the rail? :P
About the only time I'd consider a text parser to be an improvement over PNC is perhaps regarding conversations... and even then, it would be better IMHO to just have PNC for everything else, and some kind of text parser for the conversations.
IMHO, YMMV, and all that. :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
Something else I forgot to mention about text parsers is that they could be culturally-biased. The ways of describing certain objects and actions could vary depending on the user. Not to mention, when the game becomes multi-lingual, different words can translate to different meanings in other languages. 8)
If I was going to play devil's advocate... (which I am) I'd support the SCUMM system used in MI 1 and 2... You gotta admit, that was pretty clever... It adds enough complexity without the hassle of a parser... ;D
Oh, yeah, the old SCUMM is my favorite interface. A nice combination between the potential flexibility of a text parser, without the irritations of one. Plus, there's just no way you could have pulled off the awesome "Fight with the sheriff for the idol" gag cutscene in MI1 with any other interface. (That's definitely one of my favorite adventure game moments.)
Another interface I liked was the one in The Space Bar and Gabriel Knight 3, where you would click on an object, and you'd get a list of possible actions context-tied to that object. A nice compromise for 3D games. (The actual getting-around methodology of GK3 was great as well, but that's another topic.)
And of course, there's the classic old Sierra/AGS icon method, which I think worked rather nicely. I ,too, am generally not really fond of the "one-stop icon" method, although GK2 did a decent job with it.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on April 02, 2004, 03:54:06 AMAnother interface I liked was the one in The Space Bar and Gabriel Knight 3, where you would click on an object, and you'd get a list of possible actions context-tied to that object.
Never liked that interface... Probably since I never played any good games that used it :P
My favorite remains P&C ;)
I hope the KQ9 interface is a hidden one. I don't like it when the interface is always present on the screen, like in KQ7 & MOE - for some reason, it makes the game less realistic for me :-\
The interface will be similar to KQ6's (scrolls down when mouse moves into upper area of screen) and there will be an option to dock the toolbar, for those who want to do that. 8)
Dock? ???
Thanks!
I guessed that's what he meant... just wasn't sure ;)
Thanks for the info. I can't wait for this game to finally come out.
Welcome Alex!!
we all look forward to the game too ;-D ...hope you will enjoy these boards until then (and also after the game comes out )
Hello Alex welcome to KQ9!
In addition to the forum there's lots to do and see around here. Be sure to check out our web-site's cool features like the contests, flash games, and art of the week!
I hope you enjoy yourself and we see a lot more of you around here! if you have any questions just ask!
Welcome to the kq9 forums alex ! :D
Welcome Alex !!!
Please stay away from the KQIX Asylum ;D
Welcome Alex!!
Don't listen to Jason...the Asylum is a perfectly nice place to go to. ;D
Well, it looks like we've gots ourselves another Alex ;D
Explore, look around, have mucho fun!
Cat
lol, you guys know how to welcome someone... asylum?? ..that is hardly attractive, is it?? ...at least etgadsby knows some pr ;-D
lol, just enjoy the site...
Welcome to the forum, Alex!! ;D
Don't mind what they say about the Asylum... some of our finest forum-members are there (not me though! and don't believe anyone who says otherwise) 8)
Well, this is proably on the site somewhere already, sorry im new i know nothing.
You said you might control two people at a time....me and my stupid self i dont understand that, please explain
Again, thanks for tolerating me
O ok thanks. Im so excited for this game to come out...grr i cant wait to see what Alexander looks like in these graphics. PLEASE put a screenshot of him on! lol
Yeah I understand now thanks alot
Hee! The Crazy Alexander Fanpeople have been pleading for some time for an Alexander screenshot, get in line, Thunder. ;-D
Peace & Luv, Liz
Hey, I just noticed....form the screenshots. If any of you hqve played the neweset Money Island game...wel this looks very very similar to it. It was still screen to screen and stuff, but a cool twist to it. Maybe KQ will be like that :/
Quote from: Storm on May 08, 2004, 09:25:06 AM
Darn, Say beat me to the explanation... but I'll post this anyways. I'd hate to waste such a wonderful post :P
Yay! I beat up Storm over here :P <3 lolz ;P
By the way, I must add, James, that those screenshots are not finished, I mean the ones available are taken from the game engine itself yes, but they are still somehow a bit around 70% hence I believe the art direction will improve graphic wise many of them (add elements and such) anyhow, there is also missing the interface ;-D hahaaaaa, I wont show it yet ;P
Also, the current screenshots on the site were taken from the previous game engine (Crystal Space). The programming team has switched to the Torque Game engine recently, so the graphic quality may improve as well (maybe not, I'm not 100% sure about this).
We'll see when more high res screenshots are posted on the site. :)
Quote from: Say on May 08, 2004, 09:15:33 AM
Quote from: James Thunderland on May 08, 2004, 08:44:50 AM
Well, this is proably on the site somewhere already, sorry im new i know nothing.
I dont believe it is, and if it is, dont worry you can ask and we can link if we remember where it was previously answered ;-D
it was somewhere... in the archives... i could link it though... but they are hidden now, besides 'everything' is said here already ; )
Thunder, if you want to look a whole bunch of new art from the game you should check out the extensive coverage of KQ9 in the most recent "The Inventory". you can find that at http://www.justadventure.com/TheInventory/inv14.zip. Check that out :) Enjoy!
You said that we could control 2 people at once. Does that mean that we can only do certain things as Alexander, Rosella, or Graham? And will the dialogue be different if they talk to the same people?
Okay. I think I understand now. Thanks for being patient with me.
you're welcome ;)
Etgasby, the link will not oepn for me...:(
I tried to actually just type it in, and go on the site, but it will just will not work! :(
Can I just know...is there a pic. of Alex there...if so, i WILL get that file open ;)
Try right clicking on it and choosing Save Target As... :)
Oh thanks, i got it open. Those pics should hold me off....for a litle while ;)
Thunder, I'm glad you got it open, thanks Yonkey! :)
I have a question. Forgive me if this is not the place to post this. I am new to the forums. Or if this question has already been answered.
Will the interface be the point and click interface from King's Quest V or VI. Or will it be hotspots like in King's Quest VII? Is it too early to tell?
This is exactly the place for such a question! it was already answered before though - the game interface would be point & click, much like KQ6's interface but with a brand new, state-of-the-art, never-seen-before-in-a-KQ-game MAGIC SYSTEM!! ;D ;D ;D
(Did I do the hype thing OK?)
I don't know Storm. I think your hype could be a little bigger ;)
Never seen before huh? Well, sounds exciting. If the interface is like KQ6 then does that mean there will be a narrator who describes everything you see or is that too much talking?
Quote from: Jollo on May 21, 2004, 11:57:34 AM
I don't know Storm. I think your hype could be a little bigger ;)
Done!! ;B
And IIRC, they said somewhere that there would be a narrator... at least for some parts of the game 8)
Cool thanks. I figured that somone had to tell the story.
Quote from: Storm on May 21, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
This is exactly the place for such a question! it was already answered before though - the game interface would be point & click, much like KQ6's interface but with a brand new, state-of-the-art, never-seen-before-in-a-KQ-game MAGIC SYSTEM!! ;D ;D ;D
(Did I do the hype thing OK?)
hahahaha, yes :P
Yep, now it is very hyped! ;D
Once again ladies and gentleman the amazing, uncompromising, and totally originally... Storm
*thunderous applause follows*
Nobody like you Storm, and we love ya for it!
Quote from: Jollo on May 21, 2004, 12:28:34 PM
Cool thanks. I figured that somone had to tell the story.
Some stories are better
visualized than
read ;D, but yes there will be a narrator. 8)
True, some stories are better visualized ;D. I was just thinking of King's Quest 5 and 6 and how much dialogue the Narrator in those games had.
The KQ6 Narrator had at least 3900+ WAV files, eep.
I like having a speaking narrator in a game with voice acting... it makes the VO seem less sporadic. Plus it helps add/enhance the atmosphere of the game. (Like the dryly sarcastic Gary Owens in SQ4 & 6... the pleasantly serious and straight-faced-humored narrator in KQ6... the Southern ethnic-toned lady in GK1...)
Of course, a lousy narrator can also take away from the game, like in KQ5... :P (IMHO) But then, that's a casting problem, not a problem with the concept.
Peace & Luv, Liz
I was glad you could turn off the narrator in GK1 without turning off the other voice overs, because she talked way too damn slow for me! good touch with the accent, etc, but tooooo sloooowww....
yes! so original! click and move..:P right clik and select? or just clik?
edditted lol ..but in KQ6 they used real actors voices..imagine the time in perfecting it. nowonder theres 4000 avi files
Since they said it's KQ6-style Point & Click, it's probably going to be icon-based (right click and select), not just single click 8)
updated icons? :P :o i feel lucky..
Definitely updated icons! XD And we're using real actors for the major roles in KQ9 too. :)
Quote from: Yonkey on August 15, 2004, 04:05:50 PM
Definitely updated icons! XD And we're using real actors for the major roles in KQ9 too. :)
w-w-w-whaaa!! ya!! real voices..100% better!