Ok, so Episode 1 really set up the game. And it can go any number of ways. What are your speculations on Episode 2? Where do you think we'll be able to go? What do you hope will happen during the story?
We want to hear! :D Have fun!
If you missed it before, check out the sneak preview of Episode 2 here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvcCLLBIPU
After the Storm clears from the Isle of Mist, we will walk around and see what we can do or find, then we will go to the Isle of Sacred Mountain and get that Flower and see if we can climb the staircase again.
Afterwords, we will return to the Isle of the Crown and finally be able to Enter the Shops and go the Market place.
Later we will go to the Isle of the Crown and learn something about Valanice and the Two Children will Return to Daventry in witch we Hopefully get to see.
We then will get the Magic Map Alexander used or get Help from the Genie and go to the Isle Wonder.
There we will meet the 7 Dwarfs and must somehow Pass there Test.
We will see the Bookworm and the Spelling Bees, while getting a Date with the Black Widow.
Then we will enter the Swamp and see the Pumpkin with the Stick in the Mud.
Moving on, we will go through the Gate to Chessboard land and Hopefully we can cross over.
Upon returning, we will pick up an Ice Cube and somehow go to the Isle of the Beast.
We drop the Ice Cube in the Hot Water and cross over to the Palace of Beauty and the Beast where the Curse have returned the man into a Beast.
Later, we return to the Isle of Mist and perform the Spell where Graham Enters Dreamland.
The End of Chapter 2. ;)
Question: After the Credits in Episode 2, will we see a Piece of Episode 3. ;D
Graham needs to collect the ingredients for the spell, and I think we're going to learn about where Alexander and Rosella went. While their bodies lie in the Castle of the Crown, it seems like their minds went somewhere else (at least that's what the ending to Ep.1 made it look like). I also think that the Silver Cloaked Man is going to be revealed (maybe?). :-\
Personally, I am very excited about the implications of travelling into dreams. There are so many possibilities to explore.
Maybe reading about the not-so-Grand Opening of Chessboard Land (http://www.postudios.com/fourwinds/iss02-article01-1.html) will get some more ideas flowing for what's coming up?
I think we're going to find out what happened to the wedding cake. I mean, seriously! How did they NOT explain that in Episode 1???
Truly a mystery that will haunt us all!
My theory is that the bad guy who cursed them also stole the cake. His evil knows no bounds!!!
Quote from: KatieHal on July 20, 2010, 01:29:05 PM
Maybe reading about the not-so-Grand Opening of Chessboard Land (http://www.postudios.com/fourwinds/iss02-article01-1.html) will get some more ideas flowing for what's coming up?
I would really like to explore Chessboard Land, but wouldn't it just be checkered tiles for as far as the eye can see?
I think that's exactly what the narrator says about it :P
But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff to see there still :suffer:
Awesome! I can't to what you guys have cooked up in CBL!
Quote from: kindofdoon on July 20, 2010, 02:35:13 PM
I would really like to explore Chessboard Land, but wouldn't it just be checkered tiles for as far as the eye can see?
If that were the case, then how would either side win a game? Hmm, only on the Isle of Wonder. :-\
Quote from: KatieHal on July 20, 2010, 01:37:59 PM
Truly a mystery that will haunt us all!
My theory is that the bad guy who cursed them also stole the cake. His evil knows no bounds!!!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! That's it, he MUST be stopped!!
....but did he leave any ice cream for me at least?
The ice cream....(dramatic pause) has melted.
Maybe Edgar took it though, that would explain his odd behaviour *ponders*
Was he acting odd? I thought he was just concerned... ???
Quote from: kindofdoon on July 20, 2010, 10:01:58 AM
Personally, I am very excited about the implications of travelling into dreams. There are so many possibilities to explore.
You mean, like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYPJ4Yc31g)?
LOL!!
Very funny! I remember thinking while watching Inception that the whole "travelling in dreams" thing was awfully similar to the premise of TSL.
So congrats, TSL guys: you are one step ahead of Christopher Nolan! Now that's impressive!
Quote from: KatieHal on July 20, 2010, 06:18:21 PM
The ice cream....(dramatic pause) has melted.
:o :o :o
I have followed this project faithfully for YEARS and you let the ice cream melt?? AFTER ALL THIS TIME?? >:( :'( What did you think I was waiting for?? *sobs*
:P
*gives Graham a cupcake* Happy now? :D
Meh, it'll do. :P
The storm clears, but Graham is trapped by the reappearance of the 'pooiiiiiiisonous snake'. Almost all of Episode 2 is spent randomly solving people's problems on the Isle of the Mysts, till the Arch Druid moves his van and Graham is able to retrieve the snake-repelling tambourine and high-tail it outta there!
Look out for Episode 3: The Perils of Cedric, coming this Christmas!
:snake:
Look out, Arch Druid!
Someone said that Alexander's dream reminded them of Ooga Booga Land which leads me to wonder... would that mean the infamous Boogeyman--the one that can/will kill you at every turn, among the many other things in KQ 7--will return? :p
Hopefully not, 'cause what seems really cheesy now soooo scared me at six years old. >>
That shadow that showed up in Alex's dream is probably that three headed dragon back for a rematch...and with him out of storm brew, it's gonna suck.
We've already seen one blatant foreshadow. Graham will get his mitts on a jetpack or magic version thereof, enabling him to explore the Winged Ones' city. Maybe he can get Azure to lighten up. We've also been told of one way we can earn ourselves a snarky death message - touch stuff druids would rather you not touch. Bet you a copper Hassan or his crewman do something dumb and have to get Graham to bail them out.
Speculations on the rest:
The Silver and Black Wizards are like the Mystics and Skeksis - split souls, the dark half staying behind and either acting as evil wizards or seeing out those like Alhazred who already have some greed issues and helping them get thoroughly corroded by the Dark Side. The Black Wizards we've seen, but the Silver ones are like the Oracle and Crispin. (Which could be a reason why the Oracle was so horrified and weakened by the mere presence of the cloak). Thing is, they have survived apart for centuries now, but they can no longer do so.
I also have this vague feeling - just a feeling - that Graham may not survive this, giving up his own life to save his kids and end whatever's shredding the world. There's been some quiet stuff that may be foreshadowing, such as during the introduction where Graham is talking with Valanice and where he's telling Edgar to stay behind. There's this odd feeling of farewells and finality going on.
Interesting theory about Graham dying.
I speculate that episode 2 is released Labor Day weekend. This way if its earlier all the better right?
I don't think it will be so soon. Games release dates are always pushed back a month or so, and we don't even have announcement yet. I would bet on October.
The FAQ said it might be sometime this summer...
Yes, and from my experience, release dates for games are almost always pushed back, especially fangames. For example, TSL was originally supposed to be released in 2005.
Note: this is not meant to be offensive. I love PO' work; take your time!
For the sake of POS's integrity and continued success, I sure hope they aren't permanently killing off any main characters of the series. That's a surefire way to turn the entire KQ fan community against them.
It's highly unlikely, I'd say, though not impossible. It would certainly make many people upset.
Although, killing off a main character is one way to provide closure to the series. They could do that, or do what Lost did and create a tear in the space-time continuum. Either method will surely have the KQ fanbase chasing them down with pitchfork and torches in hand.
I'm trusting that Phoenix is well aware of what fans want from this installment. That's why I'm hoping for a really epic adventure. I'll just have to wait and see.
Personally, I wouldn't be that upset if Graham died. Good literature takes some big sacrifices (ie. deaths of major characters).
Or we could have a Fullmetal Alchemist-like ending, where Graham sort of dies but enters some spiritual realm or something. We'll see, I guess.
Wow. Neither of those options would be even remotely in keeping with the KQ spirit. Would you guys seriously want that? ???
Quote from: Lambonius on August 06, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Wow. Neither of those options would be even remotely in keeping with the KQ spirit. Would you guys seriously want that? ???
If you are referring to what I had said, then I have to confess that I was being sarcastic. I don't support ripping the fabric of time. That would just make things complicated. I also wouldn't like to see a main character be killed off, and if a main character should be killed off, I'd rather see it be done by the character's creator (Roberta Williams in this case).
Quote from: Lambonius on August 06, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Wow. Neither of those options would be even remotely in keeping with the KQ spirit. Would you guys seriously want that? ???
Let me explain. I don't want Graham to die - you never WANT the good guy to die. But I genuinely think that Graham's death could be bring closure to the series and additionally be a very powerful ending - he trades his life for his childrens'. I mean, TSL is supposed to be a darker, more serious game, right?
But again, I doubt Graham will die.
I suppose it COULD work. ;) But I certainly wouldn't want it to end that way. I think killing the main character would be a real cop-out way to add weight to the ending, BTW. KQ has never, ever been about the melancholy heavy tearful endings. It's always been a "and they lived happily ever after" kind of a thing. And it always should be, IMO.
I believe TSL wants to move beyond the "happily ever after" cliché to explore a darker resolution. I'd be willing to bet that some good person will die - Graham or otherwise.
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 06, 2010, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on August 06, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Wow. Neither of those options would be even remotely in keeping with the KQ spirit. Would you guys seriously want that? ???
Let me explain. I don't want Graham to die - you never WANT the good guy to die. But I genuinely think that Graham's death could be bring closure to the series and additionally be a very powerful ending - he trades his life for his childrens'. I mean, TSL is supposed to be a darker, more serious game, right?
But again, I doubt Graham will die.
It could definitely bring closure to the series. It could draw in the feeling of a father's love for his children, show the sacrifice Graham makes to bring peace to his family, or even prove that his legacy can live on with his 'heirs'. Maybe they could bring in Connor to rule Daventry as its new king, much like Graham had earned his place as king. There could definitely be an emotional stir with the death of Graham, but like many have established, it may not be Phoenix' place to present that kind of ending.
Though it may still be a possibility, it most likely won't happen.
Yes, I agree - except about Connor.
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 06, 2010, 10:21:08 PM
I believe TSL wants to move beyond the "happily ever after" cliché to explore a darker resolution. I'd be willing to bet that some good person will die - Graham or otherwise.
You know, I was never a big fan of Edgar. Although I think he's a lot more tolerable in TSL, his previous appearances have been unforgivable. I think I could sleep at night knowing he's expendable.
I personally have no attachment to him - I haven't played KQIV or VII.
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 06, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Yes, I agree - except about Connor.
I just know how much speculation there is about Connor becoming King. I'd like to think someone else will replace Graham if he should pass away, but sadly, no other characters seem like a likely candidate.
Right, well, I guess he would make the most sense, but I haven't played KQVIII either, so I don't have any sense of his character or his aptitude to be king. I only know his story.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on August 06, 2010, 10:26:44 PM
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 06, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Yes, I agree - except about Connor.
I just know how much speculation there is about Connor becoming King. I'd like to think someone else will replace Graham if he should pass away, but sadly, no other characters seem like a likely candidate.
Hassan was approached about this, but said it would be too difficult to be King and run his ferry business at the same time.
The only way I would see Graham's death not pissing everybody off would be if it was an alternative "bad" ending that you got if you took some shortcuts and things, like the "bad" KQ6 ending where Cassima's parents are still dead and the kingdom is still feuding. A longer "good" ending should be possible in this scenario, and would be the astute player's reward for making the right choices throughout the game. I could see this working. Just to kill Graham off for a darker, more emo resolution, though. That would be terrible, terrible, terrible, and would utterly ruin what would probably be a decent story otherwise.
Quote from: Lambonius on August 06, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
The only way I would see Graham's death not pissing everybody off would be if it was an alternative "bad" ending that you got if you took some shortcuts and things, like the "bad" KQ6 ending where Cassima's parents are still dead and the kingdom is still feuding. A longer "good" ending should be possible in this scenario, and would be the astute player's reward for making the right choices throughout the game. I could see this working. Just to kill Graham off for a darker, more emo resolution, though. That would be terrible, terrible, terrible, and would utterly ruin what would probably be a decent story otherwise.
Right, but providing a darker resolution simply because the character chose the short path or chose to avoid that extra miles' worth of story would render an ending with Graham's death to be slightly pointless. I played through KQ6 with the intention of getting the good ending because the bad ending had bore no significance. The bad ending in KQ7 was quite laughable considering how similar it was to the good ending minus a certain character's survivability. If Phoenix were to even present an ending that portrayed Graham dying in it, I would hope that it had more significance than not getting the "good" ending. Maybe, (and I'm clearly pulling a random scenario out of nowhere) if Alexander and Rosella end up stuck in their dream worlds, Graham has to go on a separate quest to sacrifice himself to get them to wake up. That would make sense in the story for Graham to pass away. I just wouldn't want to show up to the final battle, and forget to give Graham an Extra Life, and then have him pass away. That would be a very lame "bad" ending.
Boy, looks like I stirred up the storm brew!
I haven't objection to character death, as long as it's not handled in a sloppy manner (I'm looking at YOU, DC Universe). An example of how it can be handled beautifully was Final Fantasy X, Auron finally able to rest and Tidus fading to nothingness. (OK, the second got overridden, but if you have to kill off your lead...). There's also the Force Unleashed. We all knew going in that Galen wasn't going to make it, but BOY, he made the most of it. Then there's Ben Kenobi, who looked at his last student, smiled, and allowed himself to be killed by the first.
If that option is on the table, Phoenix, then shoot for awesome.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on August 06, 2010, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on August 06, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
The only way I would see Graham's death not pissing everybody off would be if it was an alternative "bad" ending that you got if you took some shortcuts and things, like the "bad" KQ6 ending where Cassima's parents are still dead and the kingdom is still feuding. A longer "good" ending should be possible in this scenario, and would be the astute player's reward for making the right choices throughout the game. I could see this working. Just to kill Graham off for a darker, more emo resolution, though. That would be terrible, terrible, terrible, and would utterly ruin what would probably be a decent story otherwise.
Right, but providing a darker resolution simply because the character chose the short path or chose to avoid that extra miles' worth of story would render an ending with Graham's death to be slightly pointless. I played through KQ6 with the intention of getting the good ending because the bad ending had bore no significance. The bad ending in KQ7 was quite laughable considering how similar it was to the good ending minus a certain character's survivability. If Phoenix were to even present an ending that portrayed Graham dying in it, I would hope that it had more significance than not getting the "good" ending. Maybe, (and I'm clearly pulling a random scenario out of nowhere) if Alexander and Rosella end up stuck in their dream worlds, Graham has to go on a separate quest to sacrifice himself to get them to wake up. That would make sense in the story for Graham to pass away. I just wouldn't want to show up to the final battle, and forget to give Graham an Extra Life, and then have him pass away. That would be a very lame "bad" ending.
Yes, I agree here.
When will it be time for Episode 2 to come. :-[ :-[
And what if the game ends with Graham waking up and realizing that the whole KQ series have been a dream and that he is only the Daventry stable cleaner. :P
Quote from: daventry on August 07, 2010, 06:15:31 AM
When will it be time for Episode 2 to come. :-[ :-[
When it's time.
Quote from: StormSpirit86 on August 07, 2010, 06:45:13 AM
And what if the game ends with Graham waking up and realizing that the whole KQ series have been a dream and that he is only the Daventry stable cleaner. :P
And then wakes up again and realizes he was in a dream WITHIN a dream!
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 07, 2010, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: StormSpirit86 on August 07, 2010, 06:45:13 AM
And what if the game ends with Graham waking up and realizing that the whole KQ series have been a dream and that he is only the Daventry stable cleaner. :P
And then wakes up again and realizes he was in a dream WITHIN a dream!
And then he meets up with the cast of Inception and realizes that he's just a figment of Roberta Williams imagination. PLOT TWIST!!!
Maybe.... just maybe... Roberta Williams IS Graham. And the series if more of a biography than a point and click adventure game.
nuh-uh... this (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=34) is Roberta, ergo Graham cannot be Roberta... :scholar:
Quote from: Koitis on August 08, 2010, 09:10:42 AM
Maybe.... just maybe... Roberta Williams IS Graham. And the series if more of a biography than a point and click adventure game.
This would explain why Graham sees a young woman when he looks in the mirror and remembers his own wedding.
I think theres alot of cool ways to "phase out" graham. Whether that be in the form of a death/sacrifice, or sending him away to join some kindv spiritual council of guardians. Its tricky though, it would be very easy to mess that up, and i dont expect anything like that in these episodes.
Quote from: wilco64256 on August 08, 2010, 12:41:15 PM
This would explain why Graham sees a young woman when he looks in the mirror and remembers his own wedding.
Nothing can explain that... ::)
To quote from Aladdin, Patience Iago. The TSL team is working very hard to get this game out ASAP. But we also have to remember they lives too, very busy lives. I'd like to play it as much as the next fan, but the patience will pay off in the end :)
I had started wondering if they would go the route of killing off Graham. From a writing standpoint I think it could be done well, as a sacrifice and as a closing of the book on King's Quest. That said, even if it was perfectly written and performed, all hell would break loose. If Phoenix Studios decides to go that route, here's hoping that 1.) they pull it off perfectly and 2.) they have very, very, very, very thick skins when it comes to the inevitable backlash. I for one think killing Graham could be done well and could be acceptable, but like I said, they'd have to be very careful.
Oh, and regarding who would take over, I think that Rosella would be the best choice. Get a little feminism in there and keep the royal line intact. Well, not that Graham was "royal" but still. As for Etheria, Oberon and Titania can get along without Edgar. I mean, they've had his entire natural life with only a few short breaks to plan who their heir would be. The kid was just never around! If Oberon and Titania didn't have a secondary heir already lined up (or even have other kids to be natural heirs) then they just plain weren't preparing for the future.
Quote from: Damar on August 15, 2010, 02:31:23 PM
Oh, and regarding who would take over, I think that Rosella would be the best choice. Get a little feminism in there and keep the royal line intact. Well, not that Graham was "royal" but still. As for Etheria, Oberon and Titania can get along without Edgar. I mean, they've had his entire natural life with only a few short breaks to plan who their heir would be. The kid was just never around! If Oberon and Titania didn't have a secondary heir already lined up (or even have other kids to be natural heirs) then they just plain weren't preparing for the future.
I actually thought Rosella and Edgar would rule Etheria after King Oberon and Queen Titania. Rosella was growing bored of Daventry and was intrigued when exploring Eldritch. Edgar was deprived of his homeland as well as his royal duties as a prince. If anything, I would expect Rosella and Edgar to go back to Eldritch. Besides, I like the idea of Alexander and Rosella becoming rulers in different lands, because it adds to the emotional scenario of the kids moving away from home.
Well there is that issue that Titania and Oberon are immortal or near-immortal gods. It would be a very long time before Rosella would need to take over (if she even lives that long). Titania herself is the sister of the Weaver of Dreams, and niece of the Fates.
Also to quote Rosella in Hoyle, Book of Games Volume I:
"In truth, Father, Daventry will always be my home. 'Tis a kingdom that you may visit and leave, but you shall never forget her beauty.", "I cannot envision living anywhere other than Daventry, Father. 'Twill always be my home, no matter where my adventures may lead."
In the King's Quest Companion, she returned to Daventry after exploring Eldritch, and says basically while she enjoys exploring Eldritch, she prefers living in Daventry. Infact in that book the rumors of Rosella and Edgar's wedding was to be in Daventry.
Roberta was actually thinking about making a love triangle between Edgar, Rosella, and Connor had she continued the KQ series. Could have been interesting.
I'd like to see a love triangle between Connor, Valanice, and Graham.
Lambonius? As if Mask of Eternity isn't actively ignored enough as is?
Lol...I was just kidding, of course. ;)
Connor is a baller with no regards for scary music or swamp like areas. He takes any girl he wants and she doesn't put up a fight.
Quote from: Baggins on August 15, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
Well there is that issue that Titania and Oberon are immortal or near-immortal gods. It would be a very long time before Rosella would need to take over (if she even lives that long). Titania herself is the sister of the Weaver of Dreams, and niece of the Fates.
Also to quote Rosella in Hoyle, Book of Games Volume I:
"In truth, Father, Daventry will always be my home. 'Tis a kingdom that you may visit and leave, but you shall never forget her beauty.", "I cannot envision living anywhere other than Daventry, Father. 'Twill always be my home, no matter where my adventures may lead."
In the King's Quest Companion, she returned to Daventry after exploring Eldritch, and says basically while she enjoys exploring Eldritch, she prefers living in Daventry. Infact in that book the rumors of Rosella and Edgar's wedding was to be in Daventry.
Roberta was actually thinking about making a love triangle between Edgar, Rosella, and Connor had she continued the KQ series. Could have been interesting.
Ahh, I had no idea. I figured Rosella was in love with Eldritch and wanted to stay. I only have the Companion that was released after King's Quest 6, the one that didn't include any information on KQ7. So I'm slightly uninformed. I was stating my personal assumption, but it seems I stand corrected. ;)
QuoteI'd like to see a love triangle between Connor, Valanice, and Graham.
The scenes that got cut from the game, Connor sneaking into the Queen and Princesses bedrooms to gawk at there stone-cold bodies...
Rosella was undressing when the cataclysm hit. Add to the fact that Connor could have been streaking with naught but a golden mask to hide his nether regions when he was spying on them.
Go figure he did get his way with the Sylph of Inner Beauty and Queen Freesa...
Graham was apparently a bit of a pervert himself, as this hidden message in KQ2 files points out (well not to also mention various terms he had for women (http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/King%27s_Quest_2#Easter_Eggs)),
Beware this next line, if you are an overly prudish pc thought police types that get easily offended by words that aren't offensive...
[spoiler]"She is even more lovely than she appeared in the mirror. Her long auburn hair tumbles down to cover her large firm breasts. Her erect nipples are one of the indications that her warm thighs would welcome your tender kisses." [/spoiler]
How about we watch the risque language, Baggins? Please at least put that last bit under a "spoiler" cut or something--the words may not have hit our censors (yet), but we do want to keep this forum family-friendly.
ETA: And at least one of them is now a censored word.
"I need a new rubber nipple for my baby's bottle." WTF? Isn't censoring a word that is only dirty in a very very specific context a little overkill? Seriously--every child has nipples and knows what they are and what they are for (though probably not the sexual context.) Ridiculous.
@Baggins---is that message seriously in KQ2?? :o
True...but this isn't exactly a forum where we're talking about baby bottles frequently. :P
However, someone else pointed out to me that censoring it also actually makes it look like a much worse word which has the same number of letters, so in light of those facts, I've taken the filter off.
But as I said before, please try to refrain from sentences like that (even if it did appear in a KQ game for some strange reason!).
Heh...true enough. And I never even thought of that other word, but now that you mention it... :P
Anyway--back to topic. Lol ;)
You might want to avoid playing KQ2 1/4: Breast Intentions...
Ya, Lambonius its in the files, I can get a screen capture of the file for you later, if you like, LOL.
Some people are too much PC thought police... ::) Nipple isn't even a bad word, and is the common name mammary pappillas and areolas...
Family-friendly forum.
Please put that quote behind a spoiler cut, Baggins.
ETA: Baggins, people's personal opinions on individual words aside, the sentence you posted is inappropriate. I don't care what game or context it appeared in. The filter was up, in total, for about five minutes, and again does not change the fact that the sentence was inappropriate.
Back in my day the term was a family friendly term... Oh how squemish people have become... Political correctness is the death of language.
I recommend easily offended beware of the material in MOE as well (with Connor, the Sylph, and the Queen Freesa).
Other references to Larry games include;
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Bottle
I wouldn't consider any of those words to be inherently offensive, but I agree that the sentence is NOT appropriate on a family-friendly forum (regardless of whether it appears in a KQ game).
Ok, in the future I won't quote any of the other risque stuff that appears in King's Quest games, including material from KQ2, KQ3, KQ4, KQ5, and KQ VIII. I don't think anything risque appeared in KQ6 or KQ7, that I know of (except if you use certain items inappropietly in KQ6, and possibly certain things said by Mr. Nibbler, and Boogeyman). Little innuendo or the such. But Sierra was apparently not family friendly by this forums standards. So I warn people who might be playing those games to be careful.
I also warn ahead of time about certain material that also appears in Space Quest as well. Its a touch more risque in places than King's Quest contains. Also be careful in the Conquests, Police Quest, and Laura Bow series, and Hoyle Volume I. You definitely want to avoid Leisure Suit Larry, and Phantasmagoria series.
Thanks muchly, we appreciate your efforts to help keep things as clean as possible around here!
Awww, c'mon, where's the fun in that? ;)
The only thing better than veiled sarcasm is when it goes right over everyone's heads. :suffer:
Or when it's cheerfully ignored. ;D
Touche. ;)
Very...enlightening Baggins. I had no idea that kind of stuff slipped past the proverbial radar. Makes me feel a little less nasty for some of the less than G rated fanfic ideas on the table.
Then again, the radar was much less sensitive in those days. The ESRB only came into effect after Mortal Kombat sent jaws wagging in the early 90's. Back in the early 80's, there was zero oversight and a lot of really awful stuff came down the pike. It was also generally accepted that the kid either would play the Atari or that the tasteless material would fly over their heads. Maybe it isn't so shocking, considering King's Quest was bankrolled by what Mr. & Mrs. Williams got from selling Softporn Adventure (otherwise known as Leisure Suit Larry 0.5). I also know that Space Quest indulged in plenty of raunchy humor if given a chance - a great example is Gary Owens snarking off about Roger's "reading" habits in SQ6.
However, KQ somehow acquired the reputation as a family game...probably around 3 or 4 when you ended up playing Graham's kids. KQ4 will actually scold you for using four-letter bombs in the parser. That's probably yet another reason MoE was something of a shock.
Well, to be fair most of these things are easter eggs, you have to go out of your way to access the material. Even in MOE. The fact that KQ3 and 4 actually scolded you for typing in bad words was actually an easter egg (it wasn't so much of a scold in KQ4, but a plug for the LSL series). They could have just left those words out of the parser (like in KQ1 and 2 (although 2 had its own set of questionable terms in the parser)). KQ4 also had a couple of other easter eggs related to Leisure Suit Larry, if you know where to look as well.
Roberta was truly a naughty designer.
However, I think the stuff in KQ2 may be related to Al Lowe, he is a corrupting influence, ;). He was one of the game's designers.
OK, so...Betting pool is open:
1. We know Chessboard Land will be involved, and Graham is going to find out why his son needs the willow bark (aspirin) after dealing with it.
- So, what do you think he'll need from there?
- Are we going to see some nods to Alice in Wonderland while we're at it? Maybe a Jabberwock to take care of?
2. We've seen Jollo and Ali showing up.
- Do you think Hakim's "Shop of useful items" will play a part, too?
- Will we find out more about the mysterious shopkeeper? Hakim always seemed to know a little too much and be a bit too savvy. He kept those mints to deliberately make the genie too drunk to start snooping, methinks.
- What role is Jollo going to play? The court jester was one of Alexander's first and firmest allies. Like Hakim, he's seen plenty.
- Do you think there's going to be anything on Ali's shelves of treasures that will help the twins?
3. We've also been given a short view stating that something wicked will hit Valanice next.
- What do you think the nature of that will be? A regression to her youth? Will she also be cast into a magic coma like her kids?
4. Something I noticed on another play-through. Oberon and Titania mention something about Edgar's "Fairy soul" still being fragile. Is this a set up for Edgar and/or Cassima to get stricken with something nasty as well? I've said elsewhere that if Edgar does go down, I'd like to see him get in a good shot or two (for once).
5. What exactly is Shadrak's dog in this fight? It's not like we're dealing in AGD canon where The Father is set up as an archenemy with an intricate conspiracy of Mooks. The BCS, as depicted in "straight" canon seem to be more or less independent operators.
Mordak may have pulled his stunt in KQ5 to avenge Mannanan, and the only other we know to be a Brother of the Cloak was taken out by Alexander. So why put the screws to Graham specifically? If we're going with the idea that he is trying to knock Graham down a piece at a time, then we have to ask if Shadrak's had prior dealings with Graham, and Graham hasn't put it together.
Oooh, betting pools! I am all over that! Ok, my theories:
1:
- Probably part of the spell he's creating. Since we don't know what the ingredients are yet, I'm not sure which one it is.
- The one reference I know will be there, thanks to the episode 2 screencaps, are that the queens like to behead people. Other than that, I'm sure Alice in Wonderland (technically Alice through the Looking Glass) references will abound.
2:
- I'm sure the shop will play a major role to get items and such.
- Personally I never found him all that mysterious myself. He just seemed like a stand up guy and first and foremost focused on being a shopkeeper.
- That will be interesting to find out. Maybe he'll just be more of a waypoint for Graham to keep abreast of what's happening in the castle without having to constantly go back and check.
- I think there will be lots of in-jokes on the shelves. Maybe one important book, but it's just as likely you'll have to go through Ali directly for that, like in KQ6.
3:
- I think she will also go into the dream world. Prior to that, however, I think we're going to see some severe depression, and I still think that that older trailer with Graham talking to an unconscious Valanice made it look like she was ready to jump out of the palace window. I think there will be lots of despair with Valanice prior to the coma/dreamworld.
4:
This is an interesting question. It's possible that he's going after the family in general because they took out the black cloaks and because Graham is the head of the family (and in many ways Shadrack's counterpoint that way) he'll be the last one Shadrack goes after. Shadrack wants Graham to see everyone close to him suffer, just as he watched the Black Cloaks be destroyed. If there needs to be a specific reason why Graham will be the last one he goes after, it could be because of Hagatha. If you accept that Hagatha was the sister of Mordack and Mannannan, then she becomes the first cause of everything. Graham messed with Hagatha's plot to keep Valanice locked up, which means that Mannannan would have picked Alexander specifically to get back at Graham, and then of course Mordack wanted revenge (and a cure) for his brother. And Alhazred had sent Cassima away to Mordack to have more control over the royal family so he could rise to power so both Graham and Alexander messed up his plans. So it all goes back to Hagatha. But then you'd have to accept Hagatha as being a Black Cloak and related to Mordack and Mannannan, which I never did. It just seemed too convenient, fanboyish, and weird in the context of the King's Quest universe (no disrespect to the King's Questions trivial game.) If you do accept that, though, then there's Shadrack's issue with the whole royal family. It's all Graham's fault for messing with Hagatha! Personally, I'm going with the first option though.
Are we going to learn Shadrack's motives for attacking Alexander and Rosella? Will it be explained why he only attacked them and not Graham and the rest?
Who's Shadrack?
I actually checked the few posts before mine to see if someone had already mentioned his name before me because I had a feeling something like that was going to happen. >_>
Quote from: KQ5Fan on August 20, 2010, 12:12:14 PM
Are we going to learn Shadrack's motives for attacking Alexander and Rosella? Will it be explained why he only attacked them and not Graham and the rest?
*Sigh* I think any answer we can expect is a :suffer:
Quote from: Haids1987 on August 20, 2010, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: KQ5Fan on August 20, 2010, 12:12:14 PM
Are we going to learn Shadrack's motives for attacking Alexander and Rosella? Will it be explained why he only attacked them and not Graham and the rest?
*Sigh* I think any answer we can expect is a :suffer:
Or a "Who's Shadrack?" :suffer:
Hi! Long time KQ player, first-time poster. I'm enjoying TSL a ton!
One of the things I'd LOVE to see is a nod to the xylo-bones in the Underworld.
As for speculation, it's too tough for me to think of specific things, because there are an infinite number of possibilities! I will, however, say that meeting up with the Dreamweaver/Fates/etc. would be an interesting twist.
Oh, and if the story DOES take that turn, it'd be pretty cool to see Dr. Mort Cadaver and the mouse again!
Quote from: KQ5Fan on August 20, 2010, 12:15:20 PM
I actually checked the few posts before mine to see if someone had already mentioned his name before me because I had a feeling something like that was going to happen. >_>
It is very likely Shadrack, the team is just joking around.
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 23, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: KQ5Fan on August 20, 2010, 12:15:20 PM
I actually checked the few posts before mine to see if someone had already mentioned his name before me because I had a feeling something like that was going to happen. >_>
It is very likely Shadrack, the team is just joking around.
Or
are they? :suffer:
The program files indicate that the first cloaked figure is indeed Shadrack.
QuoteHagatha as being a Black Cloak and related to Mordack and Mannannan
Well, just because Mordack, Manannan and Hagatha may be related, doesn't necessarily mean that every single one of them had to have been members of the Black Cloak.
Perhaps starting with KQ6 has corrupted me, and AGD finished the job, but it makes a certain amount of paranoid sense for the Black Cloak to include most of the villains. Lolotte and Malicia are more in the "probably not" category, but...
Say there is a network of wicked Wizards and Witches, spread all through the Lands of Serenia (the dimension the games are based). They've been at this for years, moving slowly as to gain control of all lands under their heel. To each, their own little fiefdom do do as they see fit.
So we have the obscure little country of Daventry. No place terribly important, but it does have three magic goodies, and it's ruled by a childless and easily fooled king. So, the society makes its move. In three separate deceptions, they steal the treasures. King Edward is dying, the land is in trouble, and Dahlia could claim rights to the throne by marriage. Perfect plan...
And then some two-bit knight shows up, grabs the treasures and boils Dahlia in her own stew. Regrettable, annoying, but there are other operatives and other lands.
In Kolyma, the witch Hagatha is free to do as she pleases, and woe to any who would oppose her. So, when she takes the lovely princess and locks her away, no one is going to dare crossing her.
Now, that two bit knight's become a two-bit king, is still very much hands-on, and steals said princess from under Hagatha's nose.
OK, this guy is now a certified threat. Hey, Mannanan. I hear you're in the market for a new slave boy in the next year or two. The rest of us could probably find a three-headed dragon to summon. We'll take his son, torch his lands, then finish it off by leaving him a final thread of hope...only to crush it at the best possible moment.
This is the closest they probably got to breaking Graham. Not only did it not work, however, but now we have to worry about his kids. The daughter is a little too clever and the son's a low-level mage.
Mordak likely went rogue with his attack. He's got a hot head, and isn't the best strategist. It was a valiant effort, and the only reason it didn't work is because he didn't make sure the whole family was indoors. Had he waited until nightfall, he would have won.
Then, we get Alhazred. We can't really tell if he was a wizard, or if he was making a clever show of it via Shamir, but we do know he was patient and really good at takeovers. Unfortunately, Graham's son just has to show up and throw a brick in the gears.
OK, the whole family is a priority one threat and needs to go down.
Quotespread all through the Lands of Serenia (the dimension the games are based)
Actually in official material the world is known as the "World of Daventry" in Companion or Earth if you pay attention to the manuals and in-game references. Note the quotes here;
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Daventry
Noted and apologies, Baggins. I was thinking Serenia because of the entry on Crispin's house being the alleged site of the first Withdrawal and the "Adventures in Serenia" game
Ya, the continent where Daventry itself is located is known as either Daventry or Serenia (usually Daventry on maps).
And Adventure in Serenia takes place in the land of Serenia, where KQV takes place :).
If you read Derek's pov he sees Daventry as essentially the center of the world :p... Almost everything that goes on the world leads back to daventry. He sees there being some kind of cosmic balance going on with Daventry representing essentially all that's good in the universe, and in constant struggle with those that represent all that's evil (note these comments had nothing to do with the black cloak, and predates the Black Cloak in companion's publishing history).
Peter Spear had basically written back in second edition (includes up to KQV) connecting the three main baddies of the series as an evil Family who represented the forces of evil in the universe, the diametric opposite of what the Royal Family represented, representing all that was good. They were fated to continuely battle each other to balance the cosmos. If order won out, it would be bad for the universe, if chaos won out it would be bad for the universe. A balance between good and evil had to be made.
On a related note there were a few hints suggesting that that sorcerer who stole the mirror, and tried to paralyze Graham, and the enchanter who cursed Pegasus in KQ2, were perhaps Manannan himself. Although its not made specifically clear. But it would add to the explanation on why he chose to kidnap Alexander of all people as his slave (revenge for losing the mirror, Hagatha losing Valanice, and Graham disenchanting Pegasus). Its strange however, that he and Hagatha attended Graham's wedding ;), LOL.
Some of this info didn't make it into later editions though, and there was never anything that connected Hagatha or Manannan into the Black Cloak (although it would have been interesting). Eluki bes shahar wrote the material for KQ6 in the book, and she didn't connect things back into Peter Spear's ideas.
Quote from: Baggins on August 23, 2010, 04:26:48 PM
QuoteHagatha as being a Black Cloak and related to Mordack and Mannannan
Well, just because Mordack, Manannan and Hagatha may be related, doesn't necessarily mean that every single one of them had to have been members of the Black Cloak.
I almost corrected/clarified that in my post, but then didn't. Ah well. Yeah, I agree that it's a double jump to assume that Hagatha is not only related, but also a Black Cloak (and for that matter that Manannan is a black cloak.) But in the universe of the theory I gave of Hagatha being a first cause, I don't think it's too much of a jump to assume that they would be part of the Black Cloaks (Roberta's interview denying it aside), and it would be necessary for it all to tie together back to Shadrack. After all, what's the state of evil these days if the baddies don't even resort to nepotism? That said though, let me say that I agree it's a bit of a jump and basically I only brought that up if people needed a reason for Shadrack to be toying with/saving a big finish for Graham. Personally, I think the fact that Graham took down Mordack and foiled Alhazred's initial rise to power (by getting rid of Cassima no doubt to get closer and control the royal family) is reason enough. Shadrack just wants Graham to suffer as people around him go into magical comas. But if people needed a more concrete reason, then I submit the Hagatha as a first cause theory, though I agree it's a reach as it not only assumes bloodlines but also allegiances and is therefore unlikely.
Ya, good points. But its also interesting to note, that while Shadrack mentions Mordack, and King's Quest Companion added the information about Abdul being Mordack's minion. If you were going by the game information alone, it never actually stated specifically that Mordack was a member.
Surprisingly the game alone, never actually stated specifically that Shadrack was a member either, but I digress.
Abdul states to Shadrack, "Greetings from a brother of the Black Cloak", which by itself could just mean that a member of the Black Cloak is just announcing himself to another generic wizard (who may or may not be a member). The Companion made it more specific by adding a line in Shadrack's letter where he specifically states that he "is also of that company".
That being said I think its rather obvious that this game is going the route of Shadrack being a Black Cloak, and probably the leader of it.
Absolutely. And that is interesting that Shadrack was never actually listed as a Black Cloak (his letter to Alhazred said "Greetings to a brother of the Black Cloak" while Alhazred greeted him in the name of the society). Though while not officially stated, it's so strongly implied that it's a safe bet KQ6 was saying Shadrack was a member. Particularly with Alhazred's statement of "ect, ect" which implies that Shadrack knows all the pomp and circumstance that comes with, and would be listed after mentioning the Society of the Black Cloak. And as for Mordack, Alhazred's statement of "I'd send her (Cassima) to you, but as you know I had no luck in doing so with Mordack" demonstrates that Alhazred is seen as a peer, and I can't imagine these wizards treating a mere power-hungry mortal as a peer unless they were all a part of the same organization. Supposition and implication certainly, but fairly safe suppositions I think. One's brain fills in the blanks regarding Shadrack and Mordack without even trying to do so.
I've always found it interesting how much is accepted as canon that was actually technically established by the source itself (being a Star Trek fan, there's a whole litany of examples from that universe). But I guess that's a different topic all together.
Well its September, when can we Expect Episode 2. ::) :P
This Sunday or Next Sunday, try not to push it to September 30th :sweating:
I'm pretty sure the beta testers would have to have a standalone build first. :P
Quote from: daventry on September 01, 2010, 02:18:19 PM
Well its September, when can we Expect Episode 2. ::) :P
This Sunday or Next Sunday, try not to push it to September 30th :sweating:
Patience is a virtue! It'll come out when it comes out. :yes:
We're getting closer!
This is true. :yes: You should see the crazy amount of work the developers have been doing lately! :o
Well we WOULD if you'd let us. ;P
I was thinking the same thing. If only...
Oh, you will! :D Just not today...
And it probably won't be tomorrow either, sorry.
But maybe the next day! !!!
...or not. :suffer:
There's nothing I can do to spite the :suffer:! I can't wave anything in YOUR faces, and I can't not appreciate all your work so...you win this time. :pokerface:
Wait so the beta testers dont have a build for episode 2 yet? :(
Darn, I was hoping my early download would be relatively soon....
Haha, that is to say they don't have the final build of what the download would be--they have access to Episode 2, but we're talking specifically about the build of that download, so they can test what the fans would be using.
Well, it depends what you call a "build." We have the files from the Subversion server, but we don't have anything that could be distributed yet.
It will be *relatively* soon - it just depends what you're comparing it with. :P
...yeah - what Katie said. :)
Don't worry - it's coming along nicely. :D
You can't rush great art. But everything is coming along, slowly but surely.
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 02, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
There's nothing I can do to spite the :suffer:! I can't wave anything in YOUR faces, and I can't not appreciate all your work so...you win this time. :pokerface:
just look at it like this, it is less then 28 days, so they can only make you suffer for so long.
ofcourse it will repeat itself when you are waiting for episode 3 :P
Is Episode 2 still planned to be released in September?
That's the plan...
Assuming nothing goes horribly wrong.
*Knocking on wooden kitchen table, thus making the dogs assume there's a stranger at the door and bark in a frenzied panic*
Quote from: kindofdoon on September 02, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
Is Episode 2 still planned to be released in September?
We would not have said with confidence it would be September unless we knew it would be--so, yes. :)
I like that confidence!
Quote from: snabbott on September 02, 2010, 01:09:10 PM
But maybe the next day! !!!
...or not. :suffer:
So any updates today? :)
I think Cesar said in an update that they would announce the release date 15 days before it. Am I correct?
Look at that, I woke up this morning and the Episode 2 release is a day closer. Sweet!
.....
I swear, if we end up getting an update on September 15th...... >:(
Why is it bad on 15 ???
Because if we announce the release date 15 days in advance and we announce it on the 15th, that'd make the release on the last day of September.
That's not saying I have any idea how much notice we'll give for the release, but it'll probably be around two weeks or so.
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 04, 2010, 08:41:49 AM
Look at that, I woke up this morning and the Episode 2 release is a day closer. Sweet!
Your twisted sense of humor never ceases to amuse me. :P
*is dying for an update*
We got an update today. :suffer:
>:(
Smug betas...
I know huh.
So, the 1st place winner in the contest got all 5 episodes for a prize! Are they all completed ones he got, or did he become an honorary beta tester?
All five episodes can't all be complete right?
Quote from: maharg on September 06, 2010, 05:46:55 PM
So, the 1st place winner in the contest got all 5 episodes for a prize!
I will get the remaining four episodes a few days earlier than everyone else. All I have right now is Episode 1.
Wha.....what!? You don't even have ep. 2 yet?
Quote from: maharg on September 06, 2010, 07:35:52 PM
Wha.....what!? You don't even have ep. 2 yet?
It's not ready yet. They're still working with the beta.
Correcto... We've still got some issues to work out so better he doesn't get the game just yet. By the way, congratulations, kindofdoon. You may even be able to use the suffer icon for a few days.... :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: like so ;D
Thank you. I am extremely excited for the occasion, but I can wait if it means a better product.
Quote from: liggy002 on September 06, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
Correcto... We've still got some issues to work out so better he doesn't get the game just yet. By the way, congratulations, kindofdoon. You may even be able to use the suffer icon for a few days.... :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: like so ;D
Or he could upload the game on Bit Torrent. Nothing like pirating a free downloaded game, only days before its release. :suffer:
Not spoiling anything or redistributing the game is part of what the people early recipients are agreeing to. (I realize you're joking, but just to say!)
I understand, that makes sense. Then again, I'm a tad bit jealous on the inside. :jealous:
Was waiting for the opportunity to use that emoticon. ;D
Quote from: KatieHal on September 06, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
Not spoiling anything or redistributing the game is part of what the people early recipients are agreeing to. (I realize you're joking, but just to say!)
Is there a household rule on that? Because my mom would probably want to play the episode early as well, but I would rather she do it on her own computer....
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 06, 2010, 04:31:48 PM
>:(
Smug betas...
Don't worry - I'll tell you this much: it's an update that would make everybody happy. :D
Quote from: KQ5Fan on September 06, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
Is there a household rule on that? Because my mom would probably want to play the episode early as well, but I would rather she do it on her own computer....
Officially, I have to say no. Basically what it comes down to is that we can legally ONLY have distribute the game from this website; if you were to put the game on Limewire or a Torrent site, that would be a problem for us even though we can't really do much about it.
Look, it got one day closer! Anybody pre-ordering so they get their copy on release day?
Naw, I'll just sleep outside of Césars house so I will be the first in line.
Quote from: KatieHal on September 07, 2010, 08:08:01 AM
Quote from: KQ5Fan on September 06, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
Is there a household rule on that? Because my mom would probably want to play the episode early as well, but I would rather she do it on her own computer....
Officially, I have to say no. Basically what it comes down to is that we can legally ONLY have distribute the game from this website; if you were to put the game on Limewire or a Torrent site, that would be a problem for us even though we can't really do much about it.
I don't see how this answers the question. ???
Quote from: KQ5Fan on September 06, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: KatieHal on September 06, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
Not spoiling anything or redistributing the game is part of what the people early recipients are agreeing to. (I realize you're joking, but just to say!)
Is there a household rule on that? Because my mom would probably want to play the episode early as well, but I would rather she do it on her own computer....
As long as you don't put the file online in any way it should be fine, I would think. Just copy onto a flashdrive and put it on your other computer. No rule against multiple installs for the same user/family, right?
Officially, I have to say no, he can't do that.
There are no rules against multiple user downloads or installs, no, but again, officially, we can only distribute from this site. (I use and stress that word for a reason!)
So, officially, can he download it from this site onto his mom's computer as well as onto his own?
Officially, no.
There're ways around it. I'm aware of that. I'm just telling you what the official answer to that question is; I won't myself tell you ways around it.
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 07, 2010, 09:05:58 AM
Look, it got one day closer! Anybody pre-ordering so they get their copy on release day?
I wanted to, but but when I asked to preorder it, those jerks at Gamestop were staring at me like I was stupid or something. >:(
Ok. I wasn't trying to be difficult - I was just trying to clarify. Up to this point, all of you answers implied that the only problem was getting it onto another computer by a means other than downloading it from this site. I get the whole "officially" thing, and I'm guessing everyone else does, too. :)
(Posted on: September 07, 2010, 03:41:11 PM)
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 07, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 07, 2010, 09:05:58 AM
Look, it got one day closer! Anybody pre-ordering so they get their copy on release day?
I wanted to, but but when I asked to preorder it, those jerks at Gamestop were staring at me like I was stupid or something. >:(
Really? I didn't have any problems. :P
I can understand that they shouldn't be allowed to get their game onto another computer, but there's also some loopholes to the entire situation. He could download it onto his mom's computer, he could start downloading it on his friends' computers, and in the very worst case scenario (although I was joking before) he could put it up on a Torrent site. Officially, he should just stick to the criteria that Phoenix set before him and treat the game like he would any other PC game (which nowadays, due to DRM settings, won't allow you to install more than once or on multiple computers). Perfectly understandable.
I know you were joking, but if we did find out someone had put the game on a Torrent and who that person was, I should warn people there'd be consequences. I don't know what as it hasn't been discussed, but since it puts us in potential violation of a legal contract...well, yeah, consequences.
And we all know where a breach in contract would go. ::)
Very Bad Things! :o
Yes. Let's not do it for that very reason.
I was never planning on nor will I do that, I was just wondering if there was a household rule :-X
We are just playing with you. I knew what you meant :P
Quote from: KQ5Fan on September 07, 2010, 05:22:54 PM
I was never planning on nor will I do that, I was just wondering if there was a household rule :-X
Two households?! :o
Haha, that's pretty observant.
Mmmm, I think the release date will be 23-24 of this month... If that was the case we would get the release date announcement this weekend or tomorrow. Please note this is just pure speculation and I haven't got any more information than the other fans.
Not only is it a breach of legal contract to upload the game files to a torrent site but there's also the issue that you can't trust the person who uploaded it. How do you know that the game file won't have a virus as well? We are accepting monopoly money for those who wish to preorder the game, just so you know. :P
Quote from: liggy002 on September 09, 2010, 03:33:44 PM
We are accepting monopoly money for those who wish to preorder the game, just so you know. :P
Ooh, I just spent all my money on Boardwalk and Park Place. Looks like I'm out. :-\
I will trade you my railroads for both, Diety.
Well, we're about 5 days away from a Sept. 30th release... XD
5 days away from a sept. 30 release? That doesn't make sense, or is that a clue?
It's just fan speculation, hence the title of this thread.
So, I speculate that two households can refer to the white and black societies and Alex and Rosella being the "two who are one" what do you all think it's about?
From Cez's Episode 2 news:
Quote"...[For] now all we can say with confidence that Episode 2 is slated for September. We’ll announce the final date when we get the first build completed. From that point, it’s two weeks to release, to give us the window for testing and finishing the last touches."
September has 30 days. Two weeks prior to that is the 16th. Considering those getting early releases, subtract 1 additional day. Therefore we should expect the announcement of a release date within the 4ish days.
Don't see why those that are getting an early release should substract a day. the 2 weeks before the release date announcement goes for the official release date, not the early release.
You're right. My mistake.
Only 3 more days..... :) (at the most)
Then what ???
There'll be an announcment of the release date in that timeframe.
So... it turns out that the release date is either
[spoiler]September :suffer: or September :suffer:. :devil:
Well, what were you expecting? :P[/spoiler]
I expect nothing less from y'all :P I won't believe anything till I see another official thread about the release. (Oh great, now maybe I'm giving the team ideas).
:suffer:
LOL, you're just mean Stephen!
Who, me? :angel:
Quote from: KatieHal on September 13, 2010, 06:17:44 PM
LOL, you're just mean Stephen!
He gets it from Weldon. :pokerface:
Me? Goodness no! I promise to have an update for everyone tomorrow. I'm still working on the exact wording but it'll probably go something like...
[spoiler]One day closer![/spoiler]
*looks at everyone, dances, and runs away*
*Follows Cez to see where he's going*
*does a secret huddle with Cez & Weldon and whispers about stuff!*
*Nods enthusiastically*
Mwa ha ha ha!
It's gotta be either tomorrow or the next day!
You can only make us suffer for so long now! :suffer:
Don't forget it took 8 years to get this far--we are experts in making you suffer for a long time! ;)
Lol, you guys should just change your logo to a suffer emote.
Quote from: KatieHal on September 14, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
Don't forget it took 8 years to get this far--we are experts in making you suffer for a long time! ;)
And we STILL get mad at you when you utilize the :suffer: ! You'd think we'd know you guys better by now...
So now you guys have a fancy new trailer with some glimpses of Episode 2 (here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaj_aGRU1DI), if you missed it!). So, what are your speculations and thoughts now? :D
Quote from: KatieHal on September 14, 2010, 02:50:44 PM
So now you guys have a fancy new trailer with some glimpses of Episode 2 (here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaj_aGRU1DI), if you missed it!). So, what are your speculations and thoughts now? :D
Well, the "Two Households" are obviously the two Cloak Societies. I think the Ranger is actually a neutral character (at first I thought he was a Silver Cloak). Valanice looks like she is going through her midlife crisis. How am I doing so far?
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 14, 2010, 04:15:04 PM
Quote from: KatieHal on September 14, 2010, 02:50:44 PM
So now you guys have a fancy new trailer with some glimpses of Episode 2 (here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaj_aGRU1DI), if you missed it!). So, what are your speculations and thoughts now? :D
Well, the "Two Households" are obviously the two Cloak Societies. I think the Ranger is actually a neutral character (at first I thought he was a Silver Cloak). Valanice looks like she is going through her midlife crisis. How am I doing so far?
Not bad but I'll clarify a tiny bit for you:
[spoiler] :suffer: [/spoiler]
LOL wow, and I thought I was mean hahaha
They are not mean at all. The big news usually comes from you or Katie, so half of the time I don;t bother hovering the spoilers of other teammembers, since there is a 99% chance it contains suffers.
The suffer is losing it's power when used too much *nods*
Except one of these days I'll actually post something legitimately amazing inside that spoiler box and then what if you miss it?
Then I will see it when it appears in the game :P
You strike me as a very patient person, Rob. :P If there was a TSL plane crash and we all ended up on a desert island, every one of us except you would be going nuts waiting for the rescue crew. You'd be sitting there making candles out of pig fat or something to pass the time, while the rest of us ran around rolling rocks on top of each other. ;)
That's a really funny image. I'm laughing.
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 14, 2010, 07:21:41 PM
You strike me as a very patient person, Rob. :P If there was a TSL plane crash and we all ended up on a desert island, every one of us except you would be going nuts waiting for the rescue crew. You'd be sitting there making candles out of pig fat or something to pass the time, while the rest of us ran around rolling rocks on top of each other. ;)
Desert island with pigs?
Rock sows, maybe? :P
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 14, 2010, 06:26:02 PM
Except one of these days I'll actually post something legitimately amazing inside that spoiler box and then what if you miss it?
It's the one reason I even bother hovering over your spoiler text. One of these days, you will let a sliver of decent information slip, and I will be there to read it. :yes:
As for my theories on Episode 2, I think they're staying the same. I'm thinking that the mysterious stranger guy is an original character as opposed to being someone we've met before. He looks like someone who knows the story who will reveal things to Graham, probably in an infuriatingly cryptic way. Because when you have important secret information to reveal, I think it's a federal guideline that you have to present said evidence in the most cryptic and incomplete way possible.
And I stand by my theory that Valanice is on the verge of a serious breakdown (probably a curse induced breakdown.) She really looks like she's going to jump from the balcony.
I was interested by the statement about the leader walking among the living again. Is that referring to Shadrack, or is Shadrack trying to raise an even bigger bad guy who is no longer around? Personally, I'm leaning towards the second option. Which makes Shadrack's motivation even more interesting. Is there another reason he's going after the royal family? I assumed it was just revenge, but are they tied up in this in another way?
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 14, 2010, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 14, 2010, 07:21:41 PM
You strike me as a very patient person, Rob. :P If there was a TSL plane crash and we all ended up on a desert island, every one of us except you would be going nuts waiting for the rescue crew. You'd be sitting there making candles out of pig fat or something to pass the time, while the rest of us ran around rolling rocks on top of each other. ;)
Desert island with pigs?
C'mon, you're a teacher! Haven't you read
Lord of the Flies?
Quote from: snabbott on September 14, 2010, 07:58:16 PM
Rock sows, maybe? :P
Exactly! :yes:
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 14, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 14, 2010, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 14, 2010, 07:21:41 PM
You strike me as a very patient person, Rob. :P If there was a TSL plane crash and we all ended up on a desert island, every one of us except you would be going nuts waiting for the rescue crew. You'd be sitting there making candles out of pig fat or something to pass the time, while the rest of us ran around rolling rocks on top of each other. ;)
Desert island with pigs?
C'mon, you're a teacher! Haven't you read Lord of the Flies?
I read it ages ago at school, never saw it as a desert, wasn't there woods and such...
I always thought that book took place on one of those "jungle" islands, no? I read the book back in high school, but it's been too long for me to remember where the island was. I thought it took place somewhere in the Atlantic.
Hmm, so the big question, will ROb look at this one?
[spoiler]With new episodes come new contests...and new prizes![/spoiler]
Cools! :D
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 14, 2010, 09:45:15 PM
I always thought that book took place on one of those "jungle" islands, no? I read the book back in high school, but it's been too long for me to remember where the island was. I thought it took place somewhere in the Atlantic.
I don't know, actually, now that you mention it. I always envisioned it as sort of a desert, but I think you're right, there were trees. :P
Screenshots to keep speculating :)
http://www.joystiq.com/screenshots/the-silver-lining-episode-two-two-households/3361227/#/0
Maybe she meant deserted Island... :-\
Or desserted... :P
Which reminds me - what ever happened to the food fight thread?
See desserted island would work just fine with pig fat.
you want pig fat as dessert? :o
(Posted on: September 15, 2010, 16:47:16)
Quote from: KatieHal on September 14, 2010, 09:56:38 PM
Hmm, so the big question, will ROb look at this one?
[spoiler]With new episodes come new contests...and new prizes![/spoiler]
Ha! i totally missed that post even! I think I am skipping things automaticly nowadays! :P
Quote from: B'rrr on September 15, 2010, 08:48:15 AM
you want pig fat as dessert?
I hear it's good in pie crust. :)
don't make me throw up in my mouth :-\
Quote from: snabbott on September 15, 2010, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: B'rrr on September 15, 2010, 08:48:15 AM
you want pig fat as dessert?
I hear it's good in pie crust. :)
Quote from: B'rrr on September 15, 2010, 11:23:31 AM
don't make me throw up in my mouth :-\
Oh c'mon, what do you think baking shortening is made of? :yes:
Quote from: StormSpirit86 on September 15, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
Screenshots to keep speculating :)
http://www.joystiq.com/screenshots/the-silver-lining-episode-two-two-households/3361227/#/0
Who do you think the broseph is in #7? I say Edgar's secret lover. :P
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 15, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
Who do you think the broseph is in #7? I say Edgar's secret lover. :P
Well, he was at the wedding--someone was convinced he was Connor for some reason, though I forget who!
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/09/tsl-ep2-07.jpg)
(http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/en/a/a0/King%27s_Quest_-_Mask_of_Eternity_Coverart.jpg)
Maybe it's the sunburst-ish thing on his chest. Coincidence? Maybe not...
Quote from: snabbott on September 15, 2010, 01:56:51 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/09/tsl-ep2-07.jpg)
(http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/en/a/a0/King%27s_Quest_-_Mask_of_Eternity_Coverart.jpg)
Maybe it's the sunburst-ish thing on his chest. Coincidence? Maybe not...
You know something . . . don't you? :pokerface:
Sunburst = compass rose. He's just a map fiend (as evidenced by the maps behind him in that screenshot). People just thought he was Connor at the wedding due to that, but yes a sunburst and a compass rose can look eerily similar.
So wheres Conner then ???
Quote from: daventry on September 15, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
So wheres Conner then ???
Back in Daventry I'd assume, keeping an eye on things while Graham and Valanice are out of town.
More like robbing the village dry. :P
Quote from: KatieHal on September 15, 2010, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 15, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
Who do you think the broseph is in #7? I say Edgar's secret lover. :P
Well, he was at the wedding--someone was convinced he was Connor for some reason, though I forget who!
He was at the wedding BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO OBJECT. He doesn't want to see his true love marry another, princess or not!
(Posted on: September 15, 2010, 04:34:14 PM)
Quote from: B'rrr on September 15, 2010, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on September 15, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
Oh c'mon, what do you think baking shortening is made of? :yes:
Vegetable oils!
Fair (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080315133601AAELo0r) enough.
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 15, 2010, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: daventry on September 15, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
So wheres Conner then ???
Back in Daventry I'd assume, keeping an eye on things while Graham and Valanice are out of town.
Quote from: Jafar on September 15, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
More like robbing the village dry. :P
Hoping Graham doesn't come back and he gets appointed King? ::)
Hmmm... now that I think about it, maybe
he is behind all of this. That's a pretty good motive. :sneaky:
Quote from: Jafar on September 15, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
More like robbing the village dry. :P
It isn't Connor's fault that he's a kleptomaniac. He's an adventure game hero. It's part of the job.
Quote from: snabbott on September 15, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
Hoping Graham doesn't come back and he gets appointed King? ::)
Hmmm... now that I think about it, maybe he is behind all of this. That's a pretty good motive. :sneaky:
Ooh - and I bet he's in cahoots with Cedric! XD Sorry - I couldn't help myself. ::)
(Posted on: September 15, 2010, 07:59:59 PM)
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 15, 2010, 01:58:11 PM
You know something . . . don't you? :pokerface:
Of course, I
know something! :suffer:
Adventure game heroes tend to "borrow" only from fiendish villain-types. Connor just takes money from everyone and uses it to hire people to build statues of himself. :P
Quote from: Jafar on September 15, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
Adventure game heroes tend to "borrow" only from fiendish villain-types. Connor just takes money from everyone and uses it to hire people to build statues of himself. :P
To be fair, the whole village was stoned at the time.
Besides, Graham's axiom is "Pick up anything that isn't nailed down."
And Valanice's last words (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otILMu8L4i8) were... XD
Well they borrow from evil types but also tend to pick up any random object that doesn't have an immediate and obvious owner, even if it's been deliberately hidden and is highly valuable.