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Title: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: The Exiled One on July 26, 2010, 03:58:14 PM
I would first like to congratulate Phoenix Online for reviving an old and somewhat forgotten series.  :)

I've decided that the easiest way to share my thoughts about what could be done in order to make this game better would be to organize it as a list.

Here's the list of improvements that I made while trying not to repeat what other fans may have already said.


Bugs I encountered:

Some things that I liked and would like to see/hear more of:


Keep up the great work Phoenix Online! I can't wait to see episode two!


Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: daventry on July 26, 2010, 04:17:33 PM
Make a Previously on KQ Back story of the Series 1-7 for Episode 1 so New Comers can understand what KQ is all about and Not confuse themselves with KQ1VGA KQ2VGA KQ3VGA

I have Forgotton the Orginal KQ1/2/3 and im Confusing myself with the VGA Games.

Not sure if MoE has any mention on TSL, so clarify that aswell please.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on July 26, 2010, 05:48:36 PM
Make a Previously on KQ Back story of the Series 1-7 for Episode 1 so New Comers can understand what KQ is all about and Not confuse themselves with KQ1VGA KQ2VGA KQ3VGA

I have Forgotton the Orginal KQ1/2/3 and im Confusing myself with the VGA Games.

Not sure if MoE has any mention on TSL, so clarify that aswell please.

http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=8572.0
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: ThunderChild on July 29, 2010, 11:55:22 AM
  • The wonderful soundtrack, this was what I liked most from the Silver Lining. (Make this downloadable in the future please!)  :)
The thing I had with the soundtrack, was that it sounds too much computer and not really music. Hopefully that is something that is going to be improved in the next release(s) . . .
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 29, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Really? I actually loved the music. It was probably my favorite part of the game.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Lambonius on July 29, 2010, 03:21:18 PM
  • The wonderful soundtrack, this was what I liked most from the Silver Lining. (Make this downloadable in the future please!)  :)
The thing I had with the soundtrack, was that it sounds too much computer and not really music. Hopefully that is something that is going to be improved in the next release(s) . . .

I'm not sure what this statement even means.  That it sounds like it was composed using instrument samples rather than by a full orchestra?  Because it really doesn't sound that way at all to me, even though I'm sure it probably was done that way.  I mean really, a group of fan spare-time developers is not going to have a real orchestra doing their music.  Could you explain what you mean by that?  (Not trying to fault you for your opinion--I'm just genuinely curious.)   :)
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 29, 2010, 03:32:24 PM
I think he means that the music sounded like it was sampled or MIDI - not real people playing instruments..
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on July 29, 2010, 06:00:56 PM
•Add Widescreen Support <-- I was disappointed with the lack of this feature.

This must have been added recently or I would have caught it before - the game does have widescreen support, you just have to have a widescreen monitor and choose a widescreen resolution in the options.  I play it in widescreen all the time.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: The Exiled One on July 29, 2010, 07:26:22 PM
•Add Widescreen Support <-- I was disappointed with the lack of this feature.

This must have been added recently or I would have caught it before - the game does have widescreen support, you just have to have a widescreen monitor and choose a widescreen resolution in the options.  I play it in widescreen all the time.

I probably should have added to my statement. What I mean is that when I ran it on my monitors native resolution at 1920x1200, it had black bars on the sides.

Here's a picture to show what I'm talking about:

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4185/widescreend.png)

I also want to take the time to thank people who replied to my post   ;D

(Posted on: July 29, 2010, 09:17:44 PM)


  • The wonderful soundtrack, this was what I liked most from the Silver Lining. (Make this downloadable in the future please!)  :)
The thing I had with the soundtrack, was that it sounds too much computer and not really music. Hopefully that is something that is going to be improved in the next release(s) . . .

I'm not sure what this statement even means.  That it sounds like it was composed using instrument samples rather than by a full orchestra?  Because it really doesn't sound that way at all to me, even though I'm sure it probably was done that way.  I mean really, a group of fan spare-time developers is not going to have a real orchestra doing their music.  Could you explain what you mean by that?  (Not trying to fault you for your opinion--I'm just genuinely curious.)   :)

I'm not sure I understand his statement either.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 29, 2010, 07:36:01 PM
  • The wonderful soundtrack, this was what I liked most from the Silver Lining. (Make this downloadable in the future please!)  :)
The thing I had with the soundtrack, was that it sounds too much computer and not really music. Hopefully that is something that is going to be improved in the next release(s) . . .

I thought the music was amazing. I would have to disagree with the "computer" comment. Even if the soundtrack had sampled tracks or used MIDI, it sounds more like music than half of the stuff on the radio nowadays. Even Lady Gaga sounds digital, and she doesn't even use any effects on her voice.   
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 30, 2010, 07:10:17 AM
Even Lady Gaga sounds digital, and she doesn't even use any effects on her voice.   

Virtually every modern artist uses digital effects on their voice. I would bet money this includes Gaga as well.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 30, 2010, 08:06:35 AM
Even Lady Gaga sounds digital, and she doesn't even use any effects on her voice.   

Virtually every modern artist uses digital effects on their voice. I would bet money this includes Gaga as well.

For the most part, artists use Auto-tune to give themselves the digital sounding voice (T-pain and Little Wayne are infamous for drowning out their voice in Auto-tune), but I actually found out that Lady Gaga makes that funky noise naturally. Which just makes her even weirder than before.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 30, 2010, 08:35:56 AM
Can't say I agree that it's natural, but at least we can agree that she's weird.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: KatieHal on July 30, 2010, 09:02:11 AM
I'm sure the affectations are natural, but her songs still definitely incorporate some digital work, too. More for effects than on her voice, though, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 30, 2010, 10:01:18 AM
I'm sure the affectations are natural, but her songs still definitely incorporate some digital work, too. More for effects than on her voice, though, I would imagine.

Especially for her genre, it's appropriate to use those effects. Techno, dance mix, or whatever people call it nowadays. It's just when she sings live or acoustic, I have to admit that she can actually sing for reals, but her music is just annoying. So she's technically talented, but not very creative. Or too creative, depending on how you look at it.

But yeah, how about them tracks in TSL. Pretty cool. I was actually playing guitar the other day, and had found a progression that sounded like it belonged in KQ. Somewhat reminiscent of the song playing in the intro of KQVI. 
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 30, 2010, 10:41:57 AM
I'm very excited for when the team releases the soundtrack. For the demo, all the sound files were located in the program files, but for the release of Episode 1, all the data was contained in some file called "data.tsl" or something. Curses!
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on July 30, 2010, 10:52:30 AM
I'm very excited for when the team releases the soundtrack. For the demo, all the sound files were located in the program files, but for the release of Episode 1, all the data was contained in some file called "data.tsl" or something. Curses!

 :suffer:
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 30, 2010, 11:10:08 AM
Wait, are you saying you have the soundtrack?
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on July 30, 2010, 11:24:16 AM
No I'm just able to play all the music tracks by themselves, one of the benefits of testing.  If we do release an actual soundtrack it won't be until all the episodes are done - wasn't there a soundtrack released for a movie a while back where one of the track titles spoiled part of the movie?
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 30, 2010, 11:39:08 AM
No I'm just able to play all the music tracks by themselves, one of the benefits of testing.  If we do release an actual soundtrack it won't be until all the episodes are done - wasn't there a soundtrack released for a movie a while back where one of the track titles spoiled part of the movie?

Probably. They do it all the time for games, I don't see why it wouldn't happen for a movie as well. I think it'd be better to name a song something ominous that would make sense once you get to that part in the series, rather than naming it something like, "Death of . . ." It just ruins everything.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: kindofdoon on July 30, 2010, 12:03:32 PM
Perhaps they could release the soundtrack for every episode as they come out.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Enchantermon on July 31, 2010, 08:40:53 AM
For the demo, all the sound files were located in the program files, but for the release of Episode 1, all the data was contained in some file called "data.tsl" or something. Curses!
Why let that stop you? ;) You could just
:suffer:
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on August 02, 2010, 12:49:38 AM
Let's be clear on something here: everybody will get a chance at the soundtrack, but we don't allow our property to be distributed by third parties.  We're expected to keep as much control as possible over the distribution of TSL assets, so if we find that people are distributing the game (or any of the game's code, music, etc.) without our permission then the user responsible will face action up to being banned from these forums.  Just because we're distributing the game for free doesn't mean we're giving blanket permission to pirate any part of it.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: B'rrr on August 02, 2010, 12:55:48 AM
just beeing banned? that doesn't sounds severe  :-\
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on August 02, 2010, 01:05:43 AM
It's about as severe as we can get, but hopefully it'll act as a good deterrent.  Being kicked out of such a fine community simply because you persist in breaking the rules of that community?  It's quite easy to not get banned, just have fun, be respectful, and follow the rules.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Enchantermon on August 02, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
Just because we're distributing the game for free doesn't mean we're giving blanket permission to pirate any part of it.
Of course not. Even if I could get it (never said that I could), I wouldn't go sending it to anyone.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: wilco64256 on August 02, 2010, 12:44:52 PM
Right - if you're just playing around with it on your own that's totally fine (if you're playing with the files by yourself and not saying anything about it we wouldn't know anyway), it's just necessary for us to do what we can to keep people from actually distributing modifications.
Title: Re: Yet another fan's thoughts about The Silver Lining
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 02, 2010, 12:52:02 PM
As long as you guys release the soundtrack eventually, I'll be copacetic. I would probably prefer the soundtrack after all the episodes are released anyway.