This project is a total joke. What where you thinking? I've played Episode1 and I have played Episode 2. How many puzzles did Episode 1 have? I'll tell you: None. How many puzzles did Episode 2 have? Eleven. ELEVEN! Yes, I've counted them. Seriously guys, is there something you didn't understand about the concept of adventure games? Your second Episode is shorter than most AGS beginner games! What happend to the rich gameplay you promised? Where are all the new locations? I could rescript the whole second episode in just one day! >:(
go ahead. be my guest :)
You have till tomorrow at this same time :)
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Well one would have to count how many puzzles occured in KQ4 for example.
Then when the complete TSL series is over with, find out if this game matches that amount or not. MOE for example actually had about the same amount of puzzles as KQ4, if not more.
My guess when its all over it will average to be about the same as at least KQ1 in number of puzzles if not more.
11 puzzles is probably shorter than a Telltale Games episode by half probably (I've never really counted how many puzzles are in an average Telltale episode though). It's a little more than Owl's Quest (KQ fan game) though, LOL (which as I recall had about 7 puzzles).
Troll/10
Quote from: Cez on September 19, 2010, 02:56:06 AM
You have till tomorrow at this same time
After this failure, noone will take you serious nor take orders from you anymore. You promised the fans a great adventure game and all we've got is a clumsy 3D mod of KQ6 locations. You flooded all boards with your "The Silver Lining episode 2 dated!"-threads and promiced "more gameplay, more puzzles, more locations". That was just cheating. Shame on you!
I think KQIX-Team is a scam!
Quote from: rev79 on September 19, 2010, 03:57:59 AM
I think KQIX-Team is a scam!
That doesn't explain all the broken promises but thanks for your profund knowledge nevertheless.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 02:48:41 AM
This project is a total joke.
That's what I said about your project. If you're going to troll, at least be original.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 04:26:26 AM
Quote from: rev79 on September 19, 2010, 03:57:59 AM
I think KQIX-Team is a scam!
That doesn't explain all the broken promises but thanks for your profund knowledge nevertheless.
Who said he was trying to comment on the broken promises? He was just flat-out insulting you, and yet you complemented him on his quip.
Quote from: Baggins on September 19, 2010, 02:59:09 AM
11 puzzles is probably shorter than a Telltale Games episode by half probably (I've never really counted how many puzzles are in an average Telltale episode though). It's a little more than Owl's Quest (KQ fan game) though, LOL (which as I recall had about 7 puzzles).
I never really count how many puzzles there are in adventure games either. I base it off of how many breaks I have to take before I figure out something. But almost nine times out of ten, the next step is either something nonsensical or an oversight that I figured was unnecessary. I still feel that Episode 2's amount of puzzles succeeded my expectations. I didn't know exactly what to expect coming from Episode 1.
Don't feed the troll.
But trolls like being fed beetles or humans. They don't like goats.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
I never really count how many puzzles there are in adventure games either. I base it off of how many breaks I have to take before I figure out something. But almost nine times out of ten, the next step is either something nonsensical or an oversight that I figured was unnecessary. I still feel that Episode 2's amount of puzzles succeeded my expectations. I didn't know exactly what to expect coming from Episode 1.
But aren't puzzles a core component of what makes an adventure game an adventure game?
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 06:06:50 AM
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
I never really count how many puzzles there are in adventure games either. I base it off of how many breaks I have to take before I figure out something. But almost nine times out of ten, the next step is either something nonsensical or an oversight that I figured was unnecessary. I still feel that Episode 2's amount of puzzles succeeded my expectations. I didn't know exactly what to expect coming from Episode 1.
But aren't puzzles a core component of what makes an adventure game an adventure game?
I never said they weren't. I just said I don't count them.
Well in a well made adventure game, I think it feels as if there are alot of puzzles, but you won't necessarily know how many exactly.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 03:24:08 AM
promiced
With spelling like that, I dread to think what your rewrite will be like.
I look forward to it!
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 06:11:46 AM
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 06:06:50 AM
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
I never really count how many puzzles there are in adventure games either. I base it off of how many breaks I have to take before I figure out something. But almost nine times out of ten, the next step is either something nonsensical or an oversight that I figured was unnecessary. I still feel that Episode 2's amount of puzzles succeeded my expectations. I didn't know exactly what to expect coming from Episode 1.
But aren't puzzles a core component of what makes an adventure game an adventure game?
I never said they weren't. I just said I don't count them.
What do you count? What does count?
What, for you personally, makes a KQ game a KQ game?
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 06:30:29 AM
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 06:11:46 AM
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 06:06:50 AM
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
I never really count how many puzzles there are in adventure games either. I base it off of how many breaks I have to take before I figure out something. But almost nine times out of ten, the next step is either something nonsensical or an oversight that I figured was unnecessary. I still feel that Episode 2's amount of puzzles succeeded my expectations. I didn't know exactly what to expect coming from Episode 1.
But aren't puzzles a core component of what makes an adventure game an adventure game?
I never said they weren't. I just said I don't count them.
What do you count? What does count?
What, for you personally, makes a KQ game a KQ game?
It's not as complex as you are making it sound. I don't numerically count the puzzles. I don't think back and say, "This game had 10 puzzles, while that one has 4." Count as in "1, 2, 3 . . .", not count as in acknowledgment.
Well I think I notice how many puzzles there are, if there are few puzzles to begin with. If it has a decent amount and they are well done I'm much less likely to notice.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 06:35:28 AM
I don't think back and say, "This game had 10 puzzles, while that one has 4.
There are no games that have 4 or 10 puzzles. These things are called demos.
Owl's Quest cough cough was a complete game, but has less than ten puzzles :p...
It's not a demo, maybe a "mini game" though.
KQ2 2 1/4: Breast Intentions is pretty short too, only 80 points and maybe 10 puzzles or so.
Quote from: Baggins on September 19, 2010, 06:40:27 AM
Well I think I notice how many puzzles there are, if there are few puzzles to begin with. If it has a decent amount and they are well done I'm much less likely to notice.
Exactly. It's also hard to define a puzzle sometimes. Some things are so obvious for some, but confusing to others; it's hard to gauge what a puzzle is. But if I'm just progressing through the game at a steady pace with no stopping, I hardly notice what's a puzzle.
Quote from: Baggins on September 19, 2010, 06:48:33 AM
Owl's Quest cough cough was a complete game, but has less than ten puzzles :p...
I don't know Owl's Quest but I'm sure it makers didn't need a decade to make it or spam the internet how much puzzles and great gameplay is has.
And what if you're in it for the story? Puzzles are well and good, but once the puzzles are solved, what keeps me coming back is a solid story. Right now, we have a real page-turner; ancient mysteries, a family in danger, a distraught patriarch, a long mythology coming back to haunt the family...
Even on the classic KQ games, the puzzles and amount of them didn't hold as much attention as the story. The puzzles were just things I had to solve in order to access more story. Ditto with Bioware games - you fight, you fetch, you might get a decent puzzle, but the star attraction is the beautifully-rendered world, the intriguing characters, a well-written and clever line of dialogue.
Your mileage may vary.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 06:42:40 AM
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 06:35:28 AM
I don't think back and say, "This game had 10 puzzles, while that one has 4.
There are no games that have 4 or 10 puzzles. These things are called demos.
I would agree for the most part. But for the sake of argument, I would suggest that you not be so anal-retentive.
Quote from: Allronix on September 19, 2010, 06:57:30 AM
And what if you're in it for the story?
I can buy a KQ novel if I want to read a story. Here we are talking about adventure games and these promises:
QuoteFilled with more gameplay, more puzzles, more locations...
Seriously. Puzzles? Gameplay? What gameplay? You mainly talk and exchange some items. Did that "Demo 2 "showed us any locations we haven't already seen on screenshots or other games? What a joke!
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 07:09:53 AM
QuoteFilled with more gameplay, more puzzles, more locations...
Seriously. Puzzles? Gameplay? What gameplay? You mainly talk and exchange some items. Did that "Demo 2 "showed us any locations we haven't already seen on screenshots or other games? What a joke!
I saw that as a comparison to Episode 1. It has more gameplay than Episode 1. It has more puzzles than Episode 1. It has more locations than Episode 1. I found the implication to be a given. The promises aren't broken if you're expectations supersede that which is established.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 07:21:40 AM
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 07:09:53 AM
QuoteFilled with more gameplay, more puzzles, more locations...
Seriously. Puzzles? Gameplay? What gameplay? You mainly talk and exchange some items. Did that "Demo 2 "showed us any locations we haven't already seen on screenshots or other games? What a joke!
I saw that as a comparison to Episode 1. It has more gameplay than Episode 1. It has more puzzles than Episode 1. It has more locations than Episode 1. I found the implication to be a given. The promises aren't broken if you're expectations supersede that which is established.
It all depends on how high you set the bar.
I'd say it's a credit to KQIX Team guy that he expected so much of the game.
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 07:23:58 AM
It all depends on how high you set the bar.
I'd say it's a credit to KQIX Team guy that he expected so much of the game.
There's no doubt in that. But if the game doesn't reach one's expectations, which is at fault, the product or the expectations?
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 07:26:32 AM
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 07:23:58 AM
It all depends on how high you set the bar.
I'd say it's a credit to KQIX Team guy that he expected so much of the game.
There's no doubt in that. But if the game doesn't reach one's expectations, which is at fault, the product or the expectations?
that is a legit point. I am extremely happy with episode 2. there are 3 episodes left.
I have replayed KQ6 so much. I know it the whole way through just about. The puzzles are no longer hard. But I still keep coming back to it. the game is still amazingly fun.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 07:26:32 AM
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 07:23:58 AM
It all depends on how high you set the bar.
I'd say it's a credit to KQIX Team guy that he expected so much of the game.
There's no doubt in that. But if the game doesn't reach one's expectations, which is at fault, the product or the expectations?
That depends on how the product is and has historically been promoted--What level of quality one has come to expect due in large measure to how the producer claims the product is going to be.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 03:24:08 AM
Quote from: Cez on September 19, 2010, 02:56:06 AM
You have till tomorrow at this same time
After this failure, noone will take you serious nor take orders from you anymore. You promised the fans a great adventure game and all we've got is a clumsy 3D mod of KQ6 locations. You flooded all boards with your "The Silver Lining episode 2 dated!"-threads and promiced "more gameplay, more puzzles, more locations". That was just cheating. Shame on you!
I think what you really mean is YOU will not take him seriously or take orders.
TSL has too many fans to go saying something like that.
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 19, 2010, 07:26:32 AM
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on September 19, 2010, 07:23:58 AM
It all depends on how high you set the bar.
I'd say it's a credit to KQIX Team guy that he expected so much of the game.
There's no doubt in that. But if the game doesn't reach one's expectations, which is at fault, the product or the expectations?
That depends on how the product is and has historically been promoted--What level of quality one has come to expect due in large measure to how the producer claims the product is going to be.
I believe it was different for everybody though. Not everybody reacted to the producer's claims, as well as the game itself, the exact same way. If there are those who were disappointed, then why should their reactions overbear the reactions of those who enjoyed it? There's no way anything can be determined as good or bad, as long as someone can carry their opinion.
Ok, so KQIX-Team is determined to not be happy with this game. Nothing we can say or do will convince him that this is an amazing game that was made by people during their spare time. So let's not argue with him. Let's not try to convince him otherwise.
However, KQIX-Team, this is your warning. If you make any personal attacks, you will be banned. From the moment you joined this forum, you have been making digs and poking at the team with your sarcasm and discontent. We deleted one of your posts when you made a personal attack against Cez. You will not have another warning.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 07:09:53 AM
I can buy a KQ novel if I want to read a story.
A game is just another medium to tell a story. A book wouldn't have voice acting, for example, or three-D graphics, or even a few puzzles to solve.
So, what puzzles would you add? And how would they be different from the usual fetch quests (find object, find owner, deliver object), Cardboard obstacles (where you can't proceed in anything unless you burn up a lot of time trying to find the trigger), or the infamous "sorry, should have got that object three screens ago. Now your last save is completely useless and you're in a zombie state."
If I would have paid $100 for this game I would be very disappointed. However, this game was made by volunteers and it is freeware. The story is great and the graphics are nice. Let's not linger about this episode and just enjoy all the work these people did. Of course we are free to just hope for a few more puzzels or higher level puzzles in the next chapters ::).
Quote from: BjornBerendsen on September 19, 2010, 08:11:05 AM
If I would have paid $100 for this game I would be very disappointed. However, this game was made by volunteers and it is freeware. The story is great and the graphics are nice. Let's not linger about this episode and just enjoy all the work these people did. Of course we are free to just hope for a few more puzzels or higher level puzzles in the next chapters ::).
This.
now here is one thing, and I may be alone here, but I really dislike the episodic release. I would have much rather gotten the whole thing, all at once in about a year.
I feel like with this, you beat the episode, then go crazy waiting for the next one. you keep hoping the next one is longer, and if it isn't you go crazy waiting for the next one. repeat this cycle until you are done. It may be a glorious game and it may have been LOTS of fun in hindsight, and obviously you can play it again, all 5 episodes after they are all out, but I would rather have waited an extra year and get the whole thing.
I bet no one agrees with me though, it does sound kinda weird. (HAY! Why did you release part of the game now when you could have waited a year?)
It makes perfect sense, but also think about it from our perspective - how nice it is for us as a team of volunteers to have finished products out there being downloaded and played and reviewed and getting all the feedback from everybody. That's a tremendous motivator for the whole team and I guarantee the entire project will be finished far more quickly as a result.
Yes, I think one really has to keep in mind that this is freeware game. Perhaps if I'd paid full game price for Episode 2 and I received what was released, I'd be kind of mad. But the game was free, and it only cost me my time.
So, until Phoenix Online starts taking my money, I'll be very easy with my criticism. I know KQIX is upset because of the promotion and grand-standing by the team (I have noticed threads all over forums we all visit) but that's just promotion! And of course you're going to make bold claims and flowery statement when promoting your own game. I'm not going to go out and say "Play My Game! It's mediocre at best and you probably won't like it! But here you go!" I'm going to go out and promise more gameplay, more puzzles, etc.
Bt
I agree with atec - I would have preferred one big release, but all the same, I completely understand why episodic releases make more sense for Phoenix Online. Besides, who knows - if there's a 3rd C&D, at least we can hold on to Episodes 1 and 2.
You could all always wait until next year and download it all at once..?
Seriously though, I don't mind the Episodic release. Yeah, it would be nice to play through as one big game, but, at the same time, the team are taking feedbacks of all natures into account in order to make the future episodes better gaming experiences (for example, they put in the running, the shorter narrations, and even patched the first episode for that!), and this probably wouldn't be so quickly and/or easily rectified, if it was, if we had one big game.
Quote from: MangoMercury on September 19, 2010, 08:24:40 AM
the team are taking feedbacks of all natures into account in order to make the future episodes better gaming experiences
That's a very good point as well.
Quote from: MangoMercury on September 19, 2010, 08:24:40 AM
You could all always wait until next year and download it all at once..?
Seriously though, I don't mind the Episodic release. Yeah, it would be nice to play through as one big game, but, at the same time, the team are taking feedbacks of all natures into account in order to make the future episodes better gaming experiences (for example, they put in the running, the shorter narrations, and even patched the first episode for that!), and this probably wouldn't be so quickly and/or easily rectified, if it was, if we had one big game.
I was actually briefly considering that, but then I came back to the forum and couldn't help myself! MUST.....PLAY.....TSL!!!! that is a good point though. I mean it is fine as it is, but I just prefer one huge game to a bunch of smaller games.
One thing is for sure, as soon as I finish all the episodes, I am immediately going back to episode 1 and playing the whole thing all the way through.
That's a good idea. I think I'll do the same, though I'll probably be insanely busy 1 year from now.
Quote from: atec123 on September 19, 2010, 07:34:56 AM
TSL has too many fans...
Most Online Ever: 271 (July 10, 2010, 04:16:08 PM)Wow, that's almost 300. How much have it been yesterday? A half of it? A third? Yes. You and a few others are real harcore TSL fans, that's undeniable. But the silent majority are fans of King's Quest and many of them don't even visit this site anymore. Don't throw them into the same pot.
Quote from: koko_99_2001 on September 19, 2010, 07:53:03 AM
Nothing we can say or do will convince him...
I don't know. Did I miss something? What did you say that could convince me or could explain the broken promises? Did you release another version that fulfills them? So, please – show it to us! So far I haven't read any explanations for this breach of promise.
Quote from: koko_99_2001 on September 19, 2010, 07:53:03 AM
If you make any personal attacks, you will be banned.
Makes sense to me. Btw. Have you read the whole thread or just my posts?
Quote from: koko_99_2001 on September 19, 2010, 07:53:03 AM
We deleted one of your posts when you made a personal attack against Cez.
WHAT? A personal attack? Don't make me laugh! If you really have to ban real critics, you should come up with better things.
QuoteWow, that's almost 300. How much have it been yesterday? A half of it? A third? Yes. You and a few others are real harcore TSL fans, that's undeniable. But the silent majority are fans of King's Quest and many of them don't even visit this site anymore. Don't throw them into the same pot.
In the real world, TSL gets some mixed reviews.
It seems the only real complaint is that it is short. you really can't judge a game like this until it is all done. Most people appreciate the game for what it is though, whether they loved it or just thought it was respectable. there are some "haters", but they exist for every game.
QuoteMost Online Ever: 271 (July 10, 2010, 04:16:08 PM)
Umm.... that is the forum you are talking about.
QuoteI don't know. Did I miss something? What did you say that could convince me or could explain the broken promises? Did you release another version that fulfills them? So, please – show it to us! So far I haven't read any explanations for this breach of promise.
flawed logic FTW.
QuoteMakes sense to me. Btw. Have you read the whole thread or just my posts?
irrelevant. No personal attacks, no matter the context.
QuoteWHAT? A personal attack? Don't make me laugh! If you really have to ban real critics, you should come up with better things.
I almost agree here. Just because you might hate the game, doesn't automatically mean you should be banned, but personal attacks are a different thing. logical posts, no matter how anger filled, as long as they follow the rules of the forum, against the game, comma, should be allowed. period. no one said you couldn't "really be a crtitic".
But I do have to say that there's a huge difference between being a "real critic", and coming in with one liners, or criticisms like "This project is a total joke. What where you thinking?"; a real critic elaborates on the problems they have and how they feel they could improve it.
Maybe if you tried that tack, then people wouldn't be so quick to jump on you, instead of coming across as nothing more than a pessimist.
Quote from: MangoMercury on September 19, 2010, 08:45:08 AM
But I do have to say that there's a huge difference between being a "real critic", and coming in with one liners, or criticisms like "This project is a total joke. What where you thinking?"; a real critic elaborates on the problems they have and how they feel they could improve it.
Maybe if you tried that tack, then people wouldn't be so quick to jump on you, instead of coming across as nothing more than a pessimist.
that's true. it makes it hard to take you seriously.
it makes us think:
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I dont understand the fuss. I just wanted to see the story get a good ending.... I really get confused as to anyone getting upset. There's no need. If anyone wants a KQ9 of some sort, Its on them and activision. Episode 2 was awesome, though I agree I would have waited a year to get the full game. But of course the advantage is the feedback. Not everyone is going to be pleased, but as a dedicated KQ fan since the 80s, Im incredibly fortunate to have stumbled across this project. I am happy with how it is, enjoy it, and am anxiously awaiting more. I also like the game style and direction. As I always said, GREAT JOB GUYS. And the additional improvements made a difference.
OK all the troll-feeding needs to come to a stop here. A summary for those who aren't clear on what's going on here:
KQIX-Team has been making a VGA remake of The Silver Lining and has blatantly ripped off assets (audio, voices, writing, storyline, etc.) from our game to put it together. Now we haven't taken major beef with that and have left him alone over at AGS as he drummed up some fans of his own.
Now he promised his own fans that he would have more gameplay ready for them on the same day that we released Episode 2. He didn't deliver, hasn't released new gameplay at all yet. Now rather than handling this let-down like an adult and getting back to work, he has made the choice to come to our forum (yes, the forum for the project he's stealing from) and start trolling around to try and make everybody else as upset as he is. It has nothing to do with our game or our commitments, everything he's doing is connected to his own failure to follow through.
The best response in this situation? Do NOT reply to him, he has absolutely nothing productive to say or do here and isn't going to change no matter what you say. Just ignore him at every turn and don't let yourselves get upset or dragged into his childish behavior. If he gives us proper reason to ban him, we will, but let's just leave him alone until then. Thanks everybody!
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 19, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
Do NOT reply to him
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 19, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
ignore him at every turn
Quote from: wilco64256 on September 19, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
leave him alone
I receive lots of PMs. Most people send me ideas and corrections they would like to see in the remake. I haven't received a single negative message about the project yet. You would be surprised if you knew all the names of these people. They praise you but at the same time they explain
ME what's all wrong with
YOUR game. Funny, isn't it? No, it isn't. It isn't at all. But what is the reason for that? Why are they so awed? Look at your post and you'll find the answer.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 02:48:41 AM
This project is a total joke. What where you thinking? I've played Episode1 and I have played Episode 2. How many puzzles did Episode 1 have? I'll tell you: None. How many puzzles did Episode 2 have? Eleven. ELEVEN! Yes, I've counted them. Seriously guys, is there something you didn't understand about the concept of adventure games? Your second Episode is shorter than most AGS beginner games! What happend to the rich gameplay you promised? Where are all the new locations? I could rescript the whole second episode in just one day! >:(
I have not even started playing it, only took a quick tour of 10 mins of so before I went to bed, but say you are right, 11 puzzles in this episode. Lets also say the other episodes are much alike, then you have 45-50 puzzles in a game. that isn't that bad I think.
have seen games with less then 50 puzzles easily.
Quote from: B'rrr on September 19, 2010, 10:51:19 AM
I have not even started playing it, only took a quick tour of 10 mins of so before I went to bed, but say you are right, 11 puzzles in this episode.
I've been
very generous with that number. Most people wouldnt call things like "Give item X to person Y" or simple things like "Use key with door" a puzzle.
Then how many puzzles would you say were in KQII? ;)
Quote from: Rosella on September 19, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
Then how many puzzles would you say were in KQII? ;)
I can't remember but I know it has been released more than
25 Years ago.
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Rosella on September 19, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
Then how many puzzles would you say were in KQII? ;)
I can't remember but I know it has been released more than 25 Years ago.
does that matter?
an adventure game is still an adventure game.
I you don't like the game then leave. It is free, so you have no right to complain about something handed out to you. Now if you paid money for it and you thought it was terrible then you can complain.
Quote from: atec123 on September 19, 2010, 11:07:57 AM
does that matter?
an adventure game is still an adventure game.
You can't expect a 25 years old adventure game to be as complex as a modern one.
Quote from: Melook on September 19, 2010, 11:12:42 AM
It is free, so you have no right to complain
That's an interesting theory!
Quote from: atec123 on September 19, 2010, 11:07:57 AM
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Rosella on September 19, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
Then how many puzzles would you say were in KQII? ;)
I can't remember but I know it has been released more than 25 Years ago.
does that matter?
an adventure game is still an adventure game.
Well I wouldn't put a modern game up to the standards of nearly 3 decades ago....
That's being overly generous, is it not?
Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 10:09:12 AMI receive lots of PMs. Most people send me ideas and corrections they would like to see in the remake. I haven't received a single negative message about the project yet. You would be surprised if you knew all the names of these people. They praise you but at the same time they explain ME what's all wrong with YOUR game. Funny, isn't it? No, it isn't. It isn't at all. But what is the reason for that? Why are they so awed? Look at your post and you'll find the answer.
So, I know I am going to make the Gods of the Boards angry for actually responding to you, but hopefully they'll understand that I've been lurking around here ever since the game was first announced.
I have to ask you what your expectations were. I downloaded this game so I could have that one last nostalgic fling with Roberta's vision. I was thrilled as Hell when I learned that the project wasn't going to just be a fan remake of an old game (though I do love those Infamous Adventures and AGD ones) but a whole new story that was being written to put a fan-made bow on Roberta's career.
It doesn't bother me at all that the setting is the same as in one of the previous games; in fact, that just heightens the nostalgia even more for me, and for players who have never seen another KQ game, it might make them wonder what was so good about them enough to go play them. I did not bother me that Episode I was too short because I knew it was an introduction, and I had a lot of fun getting back into the world. It doesn't bother me that Episode II has so few puzzles because I know there are more episodes to follow, the puzzles I had to solve were long and engaging, and I was really in it for the story anyway. This is an adventure game with puzzles, not a puzzle game.
So when you came in here lambasting the developers for what they spent so long to produce
for free about how little you thought of it, I had to wonder what you were expecting and whether those expectations might have been too high. Of course, now that I see you are also
selling something, I have to wonder if you aren't just another unscrupulous salesman playing the FUD game with another product's users. So, you are either an incredibly judgmental fanboy or you are just another salesman who will step on anyone he likes to get people to buy his product. Either way, you are another person I don't have to pay any attention to anymore.
Ok, so I am done feeding the troll, now. Maybe if you agree with what I've said I can be the last one to do this.
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Quote from: Rosella on September 19, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
Then how many puzzles would you say were in KQII? ;)
I can't remember but I know it has been released more than 25 Years ago.
does that matter?
an adventure game is still an adventure game.
Well I wouldn't put a modern game up to the standards of nearly 3 decades ago....
That's being overly generous, is it not?
True... in fact that weakens his point even more. KQ3 was made OVER 25 YEARS AGO! back when adventure games were in style. I think if this, story and puzzle wise measures up to the greatness of the older games, it is amazing. especially when made for free.
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Quote from: KQIX-Team on September 19, 2010, 10:09:12 AMI receive lots of PMs. Most people send me ideas and corrections they would like to see in the remake. I haven't received a single negative message about the project yet. You would be surprised if you knew all the names of these people. They praise you but at the same time they explain ME what's all wrong with YOUR game. Funny, isn't it? No, it isn't. It isn't at all. But what is the reason for that? Why are they so awed? Look at your post and you'll find the answer.
So, I know I am going to make the Gods of the Boards angry for actually responding to you, but hopefully they'll understand that I've been lurking around here ever since the game was first announced.
I have to ask you what your expectations were. I downloaded this game so I could have that one last nostalgic fling with Roberta's vision. I was thrilled as Hell when I learned that the project wasn't going to just be a fan remake of an old game (though I do love those Infamous Adventures ones) but a whole new story that was being written to put a fan-made bow on Roberta's career.
It doesn't bother me at all that the setting is the same as in one of the previous games; in fact, that just heightens the nostalgia even more for me, and for players who have never seen another KQ game, it might make them wonder what was so good about them enough to go play them. I did not bother me that Episode I was too short because I knew it was an introduction, and I had a lot of fun getting back into the world. It doesn't bother me that Episode II has so few puzzles because I know there are more episodes to follow, the puzzles I had to solve were long and engaging, and I was really in it for the story anyway. This is an adventure game with puzzles, not a puzzle game.
So when you came in here lambasting the developers for what they spent so long to produce for free about how little you thought of it, I had to wonder what you were expecting and whether those expectations might have been too high. Of course, now that I see you are also selling something, I have to wonder if you aren't just another unscrupulous salesman playing the FUD game with another product's users. So, you are either an incredibly judgmental fanboy or you are just another salesman who will step on anyone he likes to get people to buy his product. Either way, you are another person I don't have to pay any attention to anymore.
Ok, so I am done feeding the troll, now. Maybe if you agree with what I've said I can be the last one to do this.
Actually his KQIX remake is free was well. Other than that, you are right.
oh welcome to the forum, BTW.
Quote from: atec123 on September 19, 2010, 11:39:11 AMActually his KQIX remake is free was well. Other than that, you are right.
oh welcome to the forum, BTW.
"Selling" doesn't necessarily have to be about money. In his case, it's about prestige. But thanks for the welcome. I actually had an account here waaaaaaay back that I used to post a couple of times, but I've always been lurking in the shadows. You know, studying the scam that is TSL from afar and watching all these poor saps buy into it. ;D
Quote from: deriamis on September 19, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
Maybe if you agree with what I've said
Yes, I agree. I'm sure you made the Gods of the Boards very angry.
Quote from: deriamis on September 19, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
It doesn't bother me at all that the setting is the same...
Quote from: deriamis on September 19, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
I did not bother me that Episode I was too short...
Quote from: deriamis on September 19, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
It doesn't bother me that Episode II has so few puzzles...
Okay, I think I got it. There's not much that bothers you, right?
Quote from: deriamis on September 19, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
Either way, you are just another loser
I get a ban warning every time someone insults me. So please, have mercy and don't do it again.
This thread is utterly pointless so I'm locking it.