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Title: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Sylver on December 14, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
This is my first thread in this community, though I've loved KQ since I was four, learning how to type "SWIM" before Graham drowned, and small-child Sylver went bawling to her mama because she just killed the King of Daventry.

I'm adoring everything TSL so far. The music is just amazing particularly - I could talk about that for ages. But what I have to address here is the writing. My God. The narration and dialogue were clearly written by a very longtime fan, with often the express purpose of fondly tugging at other longtime fans' heartstrings - Oh, yay! Hole in the Wall! C'mere, cutie! <3 OH MY GOD it's the Dangling Particple, why does this make me so stupidly HAPPY?! -

... Or punching them in the gut.

CHAPTER 2 SPOILERS FOLLOW.

Several times in just these two chapters I've been on the verge of tears. Whether that's happy (Wedding! I love weddings! And it's ROSELLA AND EDGAR, finally!), devastated (Alexander's scars... holy hell, poor baby. Suddenly everything Mannanan did to him hits home...) or horrified (Oh dear God don't jump Valanice!).

I wasn't expecting this. Maybe I didn't even know how very important all of these characters are to me, and have been since before I can remember, but. They are. And I certainly didn't expect for this game to wreak such wonderful havoc with my emotions.

And not just the bad ones either. Don't you DARE stop with the "boring walks down Memory Lane!" I want to hear about Cassima hiding in a vase when she was little! I want to hear about Valanice talking to her flowers, and Rosella asking why the princess can't save herself from the dragon. These are revelations that fit so well it's like we've always known, but it's wonderful to hear again. It's these little HUMAN moments that make them real.

And here more than ever, I'm feeling that... King Graham is just kind of Good Personified, isn't he? In chapter 1, I think a defining moment of his is refusing to take shelter from the magical storm without Hassan and the First Mate ("They're my crew, and if they're not going, neither am I!"). And later, his observations on the scarily pretty guillotine... Comforting Edgar, helping him see the good that comes from every awful moment...

Yeah. My heart kind of jumped into his hand. If everyone had a dad or a father-in-law or friend like the Graham you're showing us... well, the world would be a much friendlier, safer place.

So, thank you writers. Thank you so much for not only bringing them to life again, but giving them new life. Showing us that they're every bit as wonderful as we remember, and giving us new reasons to love them. Thank you for making me fall in love again.

... I can't wait for more. <3
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: KatieHal on December 14, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Thank you so much Sylver! I'm glad you've been enjoying the game so much. :) Welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: wilco64256 on December 14, 2010, 10:57:53 AM
Welcome to the forums Sylver, and thanks!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Lambonius on December 14, 2010, 02:10:48 PM
Cez, is this you under a different name?  Be honest.   ;)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Arkillian on December 14, 2010, 02:42:46 PM
Another Hole in the wall fan! Yay! We run like a viral infection >:D
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Ultima992 on December 14, 2010, 03:14:57 PM
Another Hole in the wall fan! Yay! We run like a viral infection >:D


 :devil: yesssssss muhaha
 :sweating: i mean....

 :angel: yay!!

Welcome Sylver, glad to see another fan of both the game and hole-in-the-wall :)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Cez on December 14, 2010, 03:45:52 PM
Cez, is this you under a different name?  Be honest.   ;)

That's actually sort of what I thought when I read it :P

Sylver, thank you for such amazing words. You made my day :) I'm glad you enjoyed the little details.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Cez on December 14, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
oh, and for Hole in the Wall lovers, I recorded new lines for the guy last night. Wait till you hear my take on "you are welcome. bye bye!"

It's a line that will MELT HEARTS and have everyone go awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

ok, enough silly bragging :P
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: KatieHal on December 14, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Cez: LOVE that new avatar!!!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: dark-daventry on December 14, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Wow, that was rather beautiful to read. It truly was. I agree with your points. And Cez, I'm loving the avatar myself!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Enchantermon on December 14, 2010, 05:05:02 PM
Wait till you hear my take on "you are welcome. bye bye!"
If it's anything like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDfBKKFbL0&t=2m24s), I will love you forever. :)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: kindofdoon on December 14, 2010, 05:53:10 PM
Aww. :sweetheart:
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Sylver on December 14, 2010, 08:46:34 PM
Aww, thank you so much for the welcomes, guys! :D I feel very loved and filled with warmfuzzies.

Nope, I'm not Cez, though I'm delighted to see him reply here/figure out who he is! I honestly didn't know the game creators frequented these forums - that is so cool. Amazing that ye have actual fan interaction, something I'm not used to elsewhere. Love. And oh, God yeah, the little details are my favorite. The little human moments and loving touches are what make a good story an AMAZING ONE.

But yeah, my online handle has been "Sylver" or "SylverLining" for many years (which... might have something to do with why I love it here so much, aahaha! :) ) For lack of a better interwebs ID, here's my DeviantART account - http://sylverkitsune.deviantart.com/ It's the easiest way I know of telling people who I am.

Oh joys, I can't WAIT for more Hole in the Wall lines! <3 That little guy coming back is DEFINITELY full of love and nostalgia for me. And the Dangling Participle, he was one of my favorite characters growing up.

Fgfhghh. Now I can't wait even more for episode 3. Ohohoho, it makes me roll around in happy anticipation.

Yeah, I'm... a little strange, if ye guys hadn't noticed that yet. x3
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Enchantermon on December 14, 2010, 08:53:50 PM
And the Dangling Participle, he was one of my favorite characters growing up.
Did you see him in TSL?
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: kindofdoon on December 14, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
If not:

(http://www.postudios.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/28.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: tessspoon on December 14, 2010, 09:03:31 PM
Oh! I hadn't! XD
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: dark-daventry on December 14, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
You... can go in there?! I'm a team member and I didn't know that!

And hey, don't worry about being strange, we're all a little strange. I'm a very strange person. But strange people are my favorite kind of people. I think you'll fit in just fine here. I can't wait to see you around more often. We always welcome newcomers, and you seem like the kind of person who'll be visiting us a lot.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: C_Guy on December 14, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
oh, and for Hole in the Wall lovers, I recorded new lines for the guy last night. Wait till you hear my take on "you are welcome. bye bye!"

It's a line that will MELT HEARTS and have everyone go awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

ok, enough silly bragging :P

I was soooo sad to part with the Hole in the Wall, I'll be happy if we get to see him again

:)

(Posted on: December 15, 2010, 02:32:41 AM)


I'm adoring everything TSL so far. The music is just amazing particularly - I could talk about that for ages. But what I have to address here is the writing. My God. The narration and dialogue were clearly written by a very longtime fan, with often the express purpose of fondly tugging at other longtime fans' heartstrings

I'd like to echo this sentiment also!  I consider myself a pretty die-hard fan but the depth and richness of the writing in this game has me wondering how well I really know the story of King's Quest.  I've played each game many times but not for many years.  To have TSL inter-twine so many characters and past events it really brings back a lot of fond memories and "Oh yeahhh I remember that!" kind of moments...  The game offers enough dialogue that even if TSL is your first King's Quest game, you could easily piece together what happened in past games (and of course, want to go play them!)

I believe (at least part of) the team's objective here was to bring a satisfactory conclusion to the story of King's Quest and I think that TSL is going to blow it right out of the water!  An effort Roberta herself would be proud of!

As I've said in other threads, you really truly can feel the heart that the team has put behind this project.  It was well worth the wait.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Arkillian on December 15, 2010, 01:10:53 AM
And the Dangling Participle, he was one of my favorite characters growing up.
Did you see him in TSL?

I saw him and squeed :D I forgot to mention him cause I was so start struck by talking to Hole in the wall <3 That, and black widow was in the way  :help:

oh, and for Hole in the Wall lovers, I recorded new lines for the guy last night. Wait till you hear my take on "you are welcome. bye bye!"

It's a line that will MELT HEARTS and have everyone go awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

ok, enough silly bragging :P

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! OMG MAKE IT JANUARY NOW!! I WANNA PLAY PART 3!!!! *fans self* I am *so* glad that HITW returns! And yes! I think it'd be awesome to have the dangling participle back too! I loved how curious he was, and the little animation of it going into Alexander's jacket <3 I picture it sitting on his shoulder as Alexander walks around ^^

But yeah, my online handle has been "Sylver" or "SylverLining" for many years (which... might have something to do with why I love it here so much, aahaha! :) ) For lack of a better interwebs ID, here's my DeviantART account - http://sylverkitsune.deviantart.com/ It's the easiest way I know of telling people who I am.

Oh joys, I can't WAIT for more Hole in the Wall lines! <3 That little guy coming back is DEFINITELY full of love and nostalgia for me. And the Dangling Participle, he was one of my favorite characters growing up.

Fgfhghh. Now I can't wait even more for episode 3. Ohohoho, it makes me roll around in happy anticipation.

Yeah, I'm... a little strange, if ye guys hadn't noticed that yet. x3

Just watched you ^^ I'm Arkillian everywhere so I'm pretty noticeable >.> XD

Welcome to the forums though ^^ 
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: LightWarrior on December 15, 2010, 02:06:01 AM
Wow, nice story and first post. Welcome to the community!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: KatieHal on December 15, 2010, 07:23:51 AM
Aww, thanks guys! That's lovely stuff to read for my morning :)

Four Winds--you can't go inside, you didn't miss something d-d. We posted a screenshot of what's behind Black Widow, though, so people could get a chance to see it more clearly.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Enchantermon on December 15, 2010, 08:57:53 AM
I picture it sitting on his shoulder as Alexander walks around ^^
If KQVI was ever made into a movie, I can see Alexander walking around Beast's forest with a CGI Dangling Participle constantly running from one shoulder to another asking questions and being a little chatterbox. ^_^ Kind of like Donkey from Shrek, except Alexander would be more amused than annoyed. :)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: snabbott on December 15, 2010, 09:06:06 AM
Aww, thanks guys! That's lovely stuff to read for my morning :)

Four Winds--you can't go inside, you didn't miss something d-d. We posted a screenshot of what's behind Black Widow, though, so people could get a chance to see it more clearly.
I think you get that view if you LOOK at the Four Winds building.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: dark-daventry on December 15, 2010, 12:02:07 PM
Aww, thanks guys! That's lovely stuff to read for my morning :)

Four Winds--you can't go inside, you didn't miss something d-d. We posted a screenshot of what's behind Black Widow, though, so people could get a chance to see it more clearly.

I was gonna say, because the first time I tried going in there Black Widow killed me. With that screenshot I started getting the feeling there was some new way to go in that I hadn't discovered... I don't have a magic paintbrush, either, sorry. Wish I did though. That would be awesome!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Arkillian on December 15, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
Aww, thanks guys! That's lovely stuff to read for my morning :)

Four Winds--you can't go inside, you didn't miss something d-d. We posted a screenshot of what's behind Black Widow, though, so people could get a chance to see it more clearly.

I was gonna say, because the first time I tried going in there Black Widow killed me. With that screenshot I started getting the feeling there was some new way to go in that I hadn't discovered... I don't have a magic paintbrush, either, sorry. Wish I did though. That would be awesome!

If you use the eye on the room black window blocks, you'll see inside of it :)
I picture it sitting on his shoulder as Alexander walks around ^^
If KQVI was ever made into a movie, I can see Alexander walking around Beast's forest with a CGI Dangling Participle constantly running from one shoulder to another asking questions and being a little chatterbox. ^_^ Kind of like Donkey from Shrek, except Alexander would be more amused than annoyed. :)

Oh- That is SUCH a cute image right there :3 I couldn't imagine Alexander getting annoyed at anything actually- except the society. He's pretty humble, eh?
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: snabbott on December 15, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
I picture it sitting on his shoulder as Alexander walks around ^^
If KQVI was ever made into a movie, I can see Alexander walking around Beast's forest with a CGI Dangling Participle constantly running from one shoulder to another asking questions and being a little chatterbox. ^_^ Kind of like Donkey from Shrek, except Alexander would be more amused than annoyed. :)

Oh- That is SUCH a cute image right there :3 I couldn't imagine Alexander getting annoyed at anything actually- except the society. He's pretty humble, eh?
As long as it didn't end up being more like Jar Jar Binks.  :X
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Sylver on December 15, 2010, 02:54:15 PM
Well, now all this Participle on Alex's shoulder business just has to be drawn. <3 It's never going to leave me alone otherwise!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: dark-daventry on December 15, 2010, 04:05:07 PM
Well, now all this Participle on Alex's shoulder business just has to be drawn. <3 It's never going to leave me alone otherwise!

If you want to show us your artwork, we have the perfect place (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?board=68.0) here on the forum for you to do so! We just LOVE getting fan art work! We truly do have some very talented fans here, I must say.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Arkillian on December 15, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
Well, now all this Participle on Alex's shoulder business just has to be drawn. <3 It's never going to leave me alone otherwise!

I could give it a go, but is there any decent Participle reference pics anywhere?
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: kindofdoon on December 15, 2010, 06:44:40 PM
(http://images.wikia.com/kingsquest/images/3/3e/Dangling_Participle.png)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Arkillian on December 15, 2010, 06:55:46 PM
Sadly, that is why I need a reference. You can't tell anything from the pic :( Heh... It has the rear end of a plucked chicken
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: kindofdoon on December 15, 2010, 07:43:31 PM
I believe that is the only primary source of reference for the Dangling Participle.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Enchantermon on December 15, 2010, 08:24:02 PM
Imagine the front of a baby dragon and the backside of a possum. That's how he's described in KQVI, anyway.
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Arkillian on December 16, 2010, 12:07:18 AM
AHHHHHH!!!!! DRAGON!!! You hit a sweet spot on me. I'm such a dragon fangirl :3
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Sylver on December 16, 2010, 12:39:57 AM
Oh, LOVELY! :D I am so pleased to hear about a fan art forum - I may in fact squee. And I do indeed have some arts I doodled on this subject... let's see if I can figure out how to post it there. And here, just in case I can't...


(http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/349/a/4/speed_paint_dump_friend_is_my_by_sylverkitsune-d34yziu.png)


AWESOME. :D Alex, among a couple other obscure pieces of fanart. My Alexander admittedly looks kind of different from canon, or other peoples'... I just tried to present him as he's always seemed to me; a sweet kid, who's been through absolute hell, just starting to figure out what a wonderful, strong person he is. And his LITTLE FRIENDS. :D
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Lambonius on December 16, 2010, 05:40:17 AM
My Alexander admittedly looks kind of different from canon

Heh.  It actually looks closer than TSL's Alex.  ;)
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: KatieHal on December 16, 2010, 05:42:00 AM
I dunno, he's got TSL Alex's hairdo :P
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: crayauchtin on December 16, 2010, 07:12:48 AM
My Alexander admittedly looks kind of different from canon

Heh.  It actually looks closer than TSL's Alex.  ;)
Really? Cause both the TSL version and this one have gravity-defying hair, isn't that your issue? :P

PS Welcome Sylver!!!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: dark-daventry on December 16, 2010, 10:25:41 AM
You should have entered the Calender competition, sylver! That artwork is amazing! And I gotta admit, TSL style Alexander is my favorite!
Title: Re: WOW, can you mess with our heads and hearts... (Ch 2 SPOILERS!)
Post by: Lambonius on December 17, 2010, 12:54:28 AM
My Alexander admittedly looks kind of different from canon

Heh.  It actually looks closer than TSL's Alex.  ;)
Really? Cause both the TSL version and this one have gravity-defying hair, isn't that your issue? :P

PS Welcome Sylver!!!

Hehe...no, I just meant that the costume is a little closer.  I was more making fun of the fact that people have made such a big deal about such a minor thing as a slight visual character redesign.  I actually have never expressed any issue with TSL's Alex look.  That was someone else.  The visual look of the characters is purely cosmetic and really has no bearing on whether or not the game experience retains the feel of an original Sierra adventure, in my opinion.  :)