So, I saw Tron: Legacy today in IMAX, and my response? :o absolutely amazing. I saw the first one last night, and frankly, I'm much more into the new one. I loved every single micro-second of it! And now I've got to see it like three hundred more times. Seriously, I'm salivating more. The reviews among the press are apparently mixed, but I loved it. Has anyone else seen it yet? If so, what are your opinions on the movie? Did Disney do a good job doing a sequel to a nearly 30 year old movie? Or did they just derez the franchise for good?
I've been waiting for it to come out for the last 1.5 years XD I've seen all the teaser trailers. I'm seeing it on IMAX 3D tonight, and tomorrow also XD I know I'm gonna love it. The original TRON REALLY needed to wait for technology to catch up. It could've been SO much more with actually technology in it. I'm SURE I'm gonna be floored when I watch it tonight <3
Quote from: Arkillian on December 18, 2010, 07:30:53 PM
I've been waiting for it to come out for the last 1.5 years XD I've seen all the teaser trailers. I'm seeing it on IMAX 3D tonight, and tomorrow also XD I know I'm gonna love it. The original TRON REALLY needed to wait for technology to catch up. It could've been SO much more with actually technology in it. I'm SURE I'm gonna be floored when I watch it tonight <3
Based on what you just wrote, you'll be refusing to leave the theater. I LOVED IT!!!!! And I literally just saw the first movie last night. My friend and I plan on re-watching the first movie, but recording our comments as we go along. Here's a sample: FRISSSBEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! Because really, that's what the original identity discs were. The new ones are SO MUCH COOLER! Trust me, you'll be stunned. I'd say 3D-Wise Tron: Legacy beats Avatar by a long shot. I mean, the whole thing is a visual effects powerhouse. And it WORKS! Now if only Disney would move their butts on Tron 3. And yes, it's been confirmed that a 3rd movie is planned, so long as Legacy does well. I think it will. And there is certainly room for a sequel, but I'm not even going to put anything in spoiler tags. I'm gonna wait to post anything about the ending other than the fact that it was EPIC!
The first movie wasn't good, but it wasn't bad. It was just weird. In theory, it was great. But today's technology does the idea so much more justice.
*froths at mouth* OH YES.
Yeah- by the trailers, it had such clean vivid lines the the original just couldn't reproduce. And some of the effects. They had to dumb down alot of effects to make it awesome. It can't compare to CG. Rewatching it to me, I see what it COULD have been, not what it wasn't. It's meant to be a very visual movie. If it's better than Avatar then oh f@#$. I may need a bucket O.O
Quote from: Arkillian on December 18, 2010, 08:26:21 PM
*froths at mouth* OH YES.
Yeah- by the trailers, it had such clean vivid lines the the original just couldn't reproduce. And some of the effects. They had to dumb down alot of effects to make it awesome. It can't compare to CG. Rewatching it to me, I see what it COULD have been, not what it wasn't. It's meant to be a very visual movie. If it's better than Avatar then oh f@#$. I may need a bucket O.O
I take it your excited to see it...
I love the IMAX theater near me though. It's one of the two Jordan's Furniture IMAX theaters. The one's with custom made tempur-pedic seats and "butt-kickers", sound amplifiers in every seat. You literally feel the movie. I mean, my Coke was rattling during half the movie. Of all the movies I've seen at that theater (and I've seen a lot) Tron: Legacy is by far the one that makes me coke shake the most. I approve. Oh, and the soundtrack by Daft Punk is amazing. Like, for the first time
ever, I actually want to buy a soundtrack. Never happened to me before...
I have been extremely excited for Tron since the teaser was released a while ago. I plan to see it multiple times.
Due to this thread I'm now going to see this tomorrow XD
Quote from: tessspoon on December 18, 2010, 09:08:16 PM
Due to this thread I'm now going to see this tomorrow XD
As you should. And just so everyone may know the awesomeness that is Tron: Legacy, I present thee with the trailers... In link form only. I'm still trying to figure out how to embed YouTube videos on the forum, if it's even possible... If it is, I'd love for someone to tell me how... Just note that almost 99.9 percent of the footage in the comic-con preview does not appear in the film. At all, in any way, shape or form. I think it was shot specifically for comic-con, but I have no idea... In any event, here are the trailers for you to enjoy, as well as a preview of the Daft Punk soundtrack. Simply mind blowing!
Tron: Legacy Comic Con preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwvuirSEAA)
Tron: Legacy Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9szn1QQfas)
Tron: Legacy Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-auuVTSt3Y&feature=channel)
Tron: Legacy trailer 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4RiUy23e9s)
Daft Punk Soundtrack preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-T7vGdH_ek&NR=1)
Quote from: kindofdoon on December 18, 2010, 08:48:59 PM
I have been extremely excited for Tron since the teaser was released a while ago. I plan to see it multiple times.
I'm probably gonna go bankrupt seeing this movie so many times, and in IMAX no less. There's simply no other way to experience this movie... If you ask me, this movie should be a permanent staple for IMAX. I mean, have it on Blu-Ray and stuff, but if you wanna see the movie the way it was meant to be seen, see it in IMAX. It really shows what IMAX is capable of. And it's a lot.
And maybe it's just me, but I seriously love Jeff Bridges' voice. Like, I think he needs to narrate more movie trailers. But maybe that's just me...
Just seen it... I had a VERY mixed opinion on it.
Firstly- IT IS SO PRETTY
OMG yes. Like, it was the TSL to the King's Quest. I was wowed out the whole movie.
BUT
There's a few sad things for me. They're spoilers- sorry.
[spoiler]No Tron / Flynn bromance. I wanted to see that SO bad- to see those two tag teaming it. The first Tron had it. I really missed it with Tron being the bad guy most of the movie :( He didn't even turn good i an epic way T.T
No closure. There better be a Tron 3, cause damn, if there isn't, I'll actually dislike the movie. The end of the movie was an anticlimatical version of the original :( The original had Flynn saving the world, this one ended up getting erased, along with his father. If Tron 3 comes out and Tron and his father get saved, I'll acknowledge it as a trilogy.[/spoiler]
A few REALLY cool things that WEREN'T CG effects though!!
[spoiler]Flynn/ Flynn- The best. Flynns's dad is COOL. Period
How Starwars this movie was. OH MY GOSH- you can totally translate every main character into a Starwars one.Even the ships were Starwarsy- Infact, if Starwars was based in a digital universe, it would be TRON! XD
They did the user versus program thing alot better.
ISOs= love. There were a few very Matrixy things. This and the pimp guy were them ;)
I love that there was more disc action!![/spoiler]
Conclusion, I'll be TOTALLY keen on seeing a Tron 3 to wrap this all up. If they do, then to me it'll be the best movie of 2010. Period. Right now, my favourites are all tied up with Scott Pilgrim, Inception and Avatar.
And lol- "You're messing with my Zen thing, man."
(Posted on: December 19, 2010, 04:36:30 AM)
OK- extra cool things, the actors that originally play Tron and Flynn (senior) are the same actors in the modern film which I TOTALLY called while in the theater and was correct (Thanks IMDB) and
[spoiler]That thing with Tron not having enough air time, as Tron he didn't, but Alan Bradley, Tron's creator gets some good air time. I just wish that there was some Flynn / Tron bromance. That would've made the movie for me in an epic way...[/spoiler]
Well Disney did mention that a third movie was in the works, provided this one does Well.
[Spoiler]did the world actually get deleted though? I thought it was just a big flash of light... and we don't actually see what happened to tron. He was in the water, yes, but we don't see anything more than that. [/spoiler]
Well, I suppose the only way to figure these things out is to see it again!
Yeah T.T They left it SO open ended for a third movie. I kinda wish they had wrapped it up a little better. Still though, I was pleased.
Oh- and I've figured out which star wars characters the main cast are- wanna hear? :D
Quote from: Arkillian on December 19, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Yeah T.T They left it SO open ended for a third movie. I kinda wish they had wrapped it up a little better. Still though, I was pleased.
Oh- and I've figured out which star wars characters the main cast are- wanna hear? :D
Yes, I do! Please share! Oh, And I will say one thing: those lightsaber like things are obviously a stab at star wars...
Lets see...
[spoiler]Kevin Flynn (Senior)- Obi Wan Kenobi (Lol- Zen master + robes + many other references XD )
Clu- Anakin Skywalker (Cause he reminds me of Dark Ani- so misguided :) )
Sam Flynn- Luke Skywalker (Cause he's such a hero XD )
Quorra- Leia (Not cause she's a chick- I swear. Same friggin mould those two!)
Tron- OK, I reserve Han Solo for Tron in hope that Tron 3 actually has him being a hero, till then, he's Darth Vader cause he's TOTALLY the tragic bad guy that has his 'Luke- I am your father' moment without the words XD
Jarvis- Dude is creepy. He's Darth Maul for sure
Gem- She I can't pick cause there isn't many chicks in the Starwars universe. If I was to pick anyone however regardless of gender, it'd actually be Darth Sidious / Palpatine. Frigging double crossing b******. You had to see it coming though.
Zuse- Dude is a PIMP. He's so Jabba the Hutt[/spoiler]
Yeah- we saw the light sabers coming though, right? Everyone uses them now days. The plot was very Starwars too. The quadbike racing, and the vehicles are all what I'd imagine a computer world version of Starwars to look like too XD See, Starwars have weird as vehicles too! Storm troopers and the Tron armies have uniform armour with biker helmets too. IT's just so... similar XD I dig the disco pimp scene too. That's probably Starwars at some point, but I pin that one to Matrix.
What's REALLY funny is that I'm doign a Starwars RP with my two friends that were watching the movie, and we all burst into laughter when we heard the ship's name- Light rider. That's the name of the ship we ride in in our Starwars campain XD Lol.
Just got back from seeing it - really liked it! :D Course, I remembered pretty much nothing from the first one, so it was like I'd never even seen it, and I'd like to watch this one again once I've rewatched the first.
This is a truly phenomenal film. Numerous reviews call the film visually exceptional, but mediocre otherwise; however; I found the story to be uniquely though-provoking. Daft Punk's soundtrack added an additional layer of slickness and polish to an already beautifully produced film.
The storyline was a bit mediocre though when you get over how pretty it is. IT's not going to be remembered for it's plot at all to be honest which is a shame. It's looking like its a 2 part storyline though. I'm hoping that part 2 will make up for what part 1 didn't cover.
Is it as bad as Avatar, plot wise I mean? (Sorry if you liked the film. Please don't harm me)
Avatar wasn't a bad plot- and neither was Tron. They were just a little more on the vanilla side. That's cool though, cause sometimes you don't want the focus to be the plot. In Avatar's case, the focus was the world and the characters and the culture. For Tron, it was similar, but I think also they slowed the plot down caus they had 1.5 movies worth of plot and couldn't shove it into 1.
Count yourself lucky that it wasn't a plot like Serenity. That movie ruined Firefly for me, cause they didn't alowe for a gradual character expansion. IT was Sudden. In your face, and I went Cool! WAIT THAT CHARACTER DIED and THAT GUY IS CRITICALLY INJURED AND... AND D:
I'd rather a slow plot than a fast one.
Saw Tron and enjoyed it :) It was a fun movie! Better plot than Avatar, IMO. Which I'd actually argue didn't have much character development at all--the hero was the hero because...um...because he was the hero. They lingered on the visuals, which were stunning, absolutely, but the plot was very cookie-cutter and predictable. (Again, IMO)
Gasp! Speaking ill of Serenity?! Nooo!! Ahem. Suffice to say I disagree, and also will point out that it's almost impossible to get the same slow character development in a two hour movie as a 14-episode series.
Quote from: KatieHal on December 22, 2010, 07:34:17 AM
Gasp! Speaking ill of Serenity?! Nooo!! Ahem. Suffice to say I disagree, and also will point out that it's almost impossible to get the same slow character development in a two hour movie as a 14-episode series.
Don't get me wrong- I love Firefly! I didn't like having a season worth of plot shoved in my face though. It was a last ditch effort to wrap up a story the deserved another season where lesser series got flogged to death. IT's the saddest thing ever really :/
Saw it yesterday in Disney Real3D or whatever. not imax, but.....
IT WAS AMAZING! I didn't really know about the old tron stuff or even that this was a sequel until my friend mentioned it after the movie was over. The 3d and special effects were epic and the storyline was really good. I am gonna watch it again probably next week. (Not in 3d though)
My family and I saw it last night for our traditional Christmas Eve movie. Eh, I wasn't a fan. Granted, I don't think I ever saw the original Tron (and if I did I was far too young to remember it [though I DO remember the People Mover at Disneyland having a Tron sequence in it, where you're inside the digital world]), so I had no grounds for comparison.
It had lots of promise. The special effects were mindblowing, and the music was beyond epic. Plus the fact that they stuck to the cheesy lighted up spacesuit thingies was a sweetly loyal touch! The characters were cool, (Sam was a total badass), and the disc-throwing action was freaking incredible. I imagine that it was much better improved upon compared to the original.
But the storyline...gah, I just didn't like it. I thought it was long and drawn out, and got more boring as the movie went on. I found myself thinking about things other than the movie as I was supposed to be watching it ("Okay, I made up the cookie plate for Maxine and her family, so that's done...maybe I should wrap Travis' presents as two seperate items...the Charlie Brown Christmas DVD is on the bookcase, so we have it ready later tonight...oh, aren't I supposed to be watching this $11.50 piece of garbage?")
I don't know, it just wasn't my favorite. I can't say it wasn't my type of movie, because that's not true (Star Wars chica here! *Raises hand*), but something about this movie and I didn't mesh well. I know there are a lot of loyalists out there, so I apologize to you guys, but I most definitely wouldn't watch this movie again, even for free.
It's ok. I'm a die hard Tron fan and I found it vanilla too. It's certinly pretty, but in the middle where the action stopped being actioning and it was all exposition, I think they could've dealt with that better.
Also, it may not've been your thing. IT's quite different to Starwars despite how similar the plot layout is. I think modern movies tend to be waterdown and prettied up versions of what they should be :/
I agree with Doon and Katie's posts. I LOVED Tron Legacy. I also LOVED Serenity. And be happy that Serenity was even made. If the fans hadn't been vocal enough, the movie would never have been made, and I'm thankful it was. I'll take a rushed conclusion to an epic and amazing series to no conclusion whatsoever.
I'll be seeing Tron over and over again for sure! I've seen it twice now, and it's still good to me! Perhaps us young ones will enjoy it more...
I just watched the original 1982 Tron. The visuals and animation were quite good (considering the historical context), but the plot and general mechanics of the digital frontier were not well explained. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it and what it contributed in backstory to Tron.
Please don't morph the meaning of what I'm saying- I'm not saying I hated it. I really liked Tron! There's a good chance that I'll be seeing it for a 3rd time with one of my town friends! A vanilla plot isn't always a bad thing. t just wasn't a memorable plot. And I didn't hate Serenity- I was just disappointed that it couldn't be stretched into a whole season. I wish the fan's voice was strong enough to make another season of it instead.
Please- I don't want everyone announcing that they loved Serenity in spite of my post. I used it as an example of a plot that didn't work like it could've. I know ALOT of Fire fly fans that agree with me that it was too fast, but they were glad it was concluded also.
The original Tron brushed over alot of details cause they weren't so tech savy back then. The 1980s crowd wasn't as interested in the technicalities as the modern crowd is though. Alot of the older crowd have more fun working it out for themselves. IT was all meant to be mad science, so explanation was unnecessary :) A hair brain theory that shouldn't have been possible, when in reality, it's now days a hell of alot more plausible than it ever was O.O I mean, in 20 years time, could we do what Tron is doing?
It's funny when you look at future projections of Earth in old films and how we should be now. 20 years is a long time for science. If you look at the technology progress in that time, there is no way they could foresee that things could be like they are now!
Quote from: Arkillian on December 25, 2010, 07:56:02 PM
It's funny when you look at future projections of Earth in old films and how we should be now. 20 years is a long time for science. If you look at the technology progress in that time, there is no way they could foresee that things could be like they are now!
According to Back to the Future, we should already have hoverboards and flying cars!
Quote from: Haids1987 on December 25, 2010, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Arkillian on December 25, 2010, 07:56:02 PM
It's funny when you look at future projections of Earth in old films and how we should be now. 20 years is a long time for science. If you look at the technology progress in that time, there is no way they could foresee that things could be like they are now!
According to Back to the Future, we should already have hoverboards and flying cars!
Oh man- I wish T.T
1985 surmised that the world would be under military law, and people would be able to read people's thoughts 25 years ago. That didn't happen luckily O.O Thought police are pretty freaky.
Actually, we are progressing into new digital frontiers. Like holograms. A college posted a series of YouTube videos of an actual 3D hologram video. It's in black and white and nowhere near commercial production, but they were able to make a video feed from an actual 3 dimensional hologram. I think they did it by having two mirrors in a chamber spinning really fast or something... I'm a bit fuzzy on the details. The point is, we actually already have some of the stuff you think we don't. And also remember that japan has a lot of new technology commercially available you wouldn't even dream of here. They had electronic vending machines in public way before the US did. And the u.s. Government doesn't disclose everything they have either. Heres a factual example: the Internet was actually created in the 60's. It wasn't until bush senior came to power that it became commercially available in the late 80's or early 90's. I'm sure the government has things they won't talk about that will blow our tech out of the water.
But im getting way too off-topic...
I saw tron a third time now... The ending is still epic after 3 times. Although I got to the theater late and had to sit really close to the screen, and I missed the first like ten minutes. Not a big deal for me as ive seen it twice beforehand, but my friend was seeing it for the first time with me, and I had to fill her in on all the details she missed.
Quote from: dark-daventry on December 31, 2010, 07:54:10 PM
I saw tron a third time now... The ending is still epic after 3 times. Although I got to the theater late and had to sit really close to the screen, and I missed the first like ten minutes. Not a big deal for me as ive seen it twice beforehand, but my friend was seeing it for the first time with me, and I had to fill her in on all the details she missed.
Yeah, I watch Alice in wonderland on the far right of the cinema. Not cool when it's 3D :( the 3D trips me out in the best of times cause of my eyesight let alone on an angle. Up the front is just as bad.
Quote from: Arkillian on December 31, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on December 31, 2010, 07:54:10 PM
I saw tron a third time now... The ending is still epic after 3 times. Although I got to the theater late and had to sit really close to the screen, and I missed the first like ten minutes. Not a big deal for me as ive seen it twice beforehand, but my friend was seeing it for the first time with me, and I had to fill her in on all the details she missed.
Yeah, I watch Alice in wonderland on the far right of the cinema. Not cool when it's 3D :( the 3D trips me out in the best of times cause of my eyesight let alone on an angle. Up the front is just as bad.
Nothing can beat the time I had to see stewart little 2 in the very front row in a non-stadium configuration. I swear, my neck was bent for the next week afterwards. They should have a health warning about that! But I've also seen people sit up front in a deserted movie theater. I can't for the life of me figure out what possessed them to sit up front of their own accord. I know of no one personally who would do such a thing. I even know a few people who would simply walk out if they had to sit up front.
They get the movie first though- and it's BIGGER ^^;
I don't know what you mean by "they see it first"... I mean, everyone in the theater is seeing it at the exact same time... As for seeing it bigger, while that's true, I'd rather see something from a little farther away. I like seeing things on big screens, but I draw the line when I have to move in close in order to make it bigger.
HAHAH! It's a joke, DD. They see the light rays of the film first, but it's travelling 'at the speed of light' so a few meters don't matter anyways ;) There's also luxury for kids with the front cause the parents want to be at the back :)
Quote from: Arkillian on January 01, 2011, 05:09:04 PM
HAHAH! It's a joke, DD. They see the light rays of the film first, but it's travelling 'at the speed of light' so a few meters don't matter anyways ;) There's also luxury for kids with the front cause the parents want to be at the back :)
I totally knew that... Ok, no I didn't. XD thank you for clarifying.
As much as I disliked this movie, I find myself Youtubing the music. A lot. It's really epic and fun. I'm actually listening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVaDxnSE3c) to it right now.
I loved the soundtrack! The "Derezzed" and opening scenes were both amazing.
Totally! I've been searching the songs, they're really exciting. They get me psyched! :futuristic:
Yeah, Daft Punk did an amazing job on the soundtrack! I'm actually tempted to buy the whole soundtrack off iTunes!
the soundtrack made me start listening to daft punk again. (I stopped for no particular reason, i just listen to so much :P )
Quote from: atec123 on January 28, 2011, 07:00:42 PM
the soundtrack made me start listening to daft punk again. (I stopped for no particular reason, i just listen to so much :P )
lol I got the free song from itunes, I just haven't caved in and got the other payed songs. I most likely will though. I got lots of money stored in my itunes account. I get gift-cards to itunes and never use them because I don't listen to music much. The stuff I do listen to, I can listen easily from youtube, or I can get for so much cheaper at my local Newbury Comics (which for those that don't know, is the single best store ever invented by man. I'm not even kidding).
I might download the main theme as well! :) Good idea.
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the soundtrack made me start listening to daft punk again. (I stopped for no particular reason, i just listen to so much :P )
lol I got the free song from itunes, I just haven't caved in and got the other payed songs. I most likely will though. I got lots of money stored in my itunes account. I get gift-cards to itunes and never use them because I don't listen to music much. The stuff I do listen to, I can listen easily from youtube, or I can get for so much cheaper at my local Newbury Comics (which for those that don't know, is the single best store ever invented by man. I'm not even kidding).
the whole soundtrack and a lot of their other stuff is good. I am a big fan of house. (the genre)
If I buy music, I buy the cds cheap at amazon or something. I want to get a good vinyl record player though, because the uncompressed sound is so amazing especially on some of my favorite albums that suffer from compression on cds...
normally i just steal my music.
you should get the rest of the soundtrack, it's all good stuff.
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Quote from: atec123 on January 28, 2011, 07:00:42 PM
the soundtrack made me start listening to daft punk again. (I stopped for no particular reason, i just listen to so much :P )
lol I got the free song from itunes, I just haven't caved in and got the other payed songs. I most likely will though. I got lots of money stored in my itunes account. I get gift-cards to itunes and never use them because I don't listen to music much. The stuff I do listen to, I can listen easily from youtube, or I can get for so much cheaper at my local Newbury Comics (which for those that don't know, is the single best store ever invented by man. I'm not even kidding).
the whole soundtrack and a lot of their other stuff is good. I am a big fan of house. (the genre)
If I buy music, I buy the cds cheap at amazon or something. I want to get a good vinyl record player though, because the uncompressed sound is so amazing especially on some of my favorite albums that suffer from compression on cds...
normally i just steal my music.
you should get the rest of the soundtrack, it's all good stuff.
You know, I never really listened to albums (I'm a little young anyway. I wasn't really alive back when they were big. When I was growing up, it was all about CASSETTES!) but the audio quality of an MP3 is fine for me. I don't see why people really need super high quality audio. I mean, yes, high quality audio is important, but MP3 provides me that quality most of the time.
Gah! Here I am again. ::)
For some reason, although I initially didn't like this movie, something about it keeps nagging at me. It has been on my mind since I saw it on Christmas Eve! I keep finding myself Googling it, watching youtube videos, and researching it. It must have had more of an impact on me than I realized!
So here's the thing: I actually really REALLY want to see it again. :o I looked up a lot of things that bothered me, or things that I thought were boring, and I realized that there are lots of references to the original Tron (which I haven't seen yet.) I mean, I didn't really "peel the onion," so to speak. I kinda just took it at face value and left it at that. But the more I think about it, it was full of religious undertones. Why didn't I realize that?!
Now that I understand things a bit better, I have a newfound respect for it. It was a lot better than I realized, and I would really like to give it another try. I wonder if they're still playing it anywhere...
So am I forgiven for calling it "an $11.50 piece of garbage," and for saying that "I wouldn't watch it again, even for free?"
It felt very Starwars to me- so perhaps Buddist? Is that the religion you mean? IT is very similar to Starwars in so many ways <3
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
Gah! Here I am again. ::)
For some reason, although I initially didn't like this movie, something about it keeps nagging at me. It has been on my mind since I saw it on Christmas Eve! I keep finding myself Googling it, watching youtube videos, and researching it. It must have had more of an impact on me than I realized!
So here's the thing: I actually really REALLY want to see it again. :o I looked up a lot of things that bothered me, or things that I thought were boring, and I realized that there are lots of references to the original Tron (which I haven't seen yet.) I mean, I didn't really "peel the onion," so to speak. I kinda just took it at face value and left it at that. But the more I think about it, it was full of religious undertones. Why didn't I realize that?!
Now that I understand things a bit better, I have a newfound respect for it. It was a lot better than I realized, and I would really like to give it another try. I wonder if they're still playing it anywhere...
So am I forgiven for calling it "an $11.50 piece of garbage," and for saying that "I wouldn't watch it again, even for free?"
No haids. YOU ARE NEVER FORGIVEN! XD Of course you are, Haids. I could never stay mad at you.
And yes, it really does have a lot of religious themes in it. And I'm not even religious. The whole "creator" thing is obviously taken from the idea of God and the Bible.
I highly suggest you see it again, but after you've seen the original. Then your appreciation of it will be that much better. There's one reference at the beginning that will fly right over your head if you haven't seen the original.
Yeah, I had the feeling I was missing out on a lot of inside jokes from the original. Is the 80's version available on DVD? I might just buy it if it is. Gotta love Amazon!
Quote from: Arkillian on February 02, 2011, 07:57:35 PM
It felt very Starwars to me- so perhaps Buddist? Is that the religion you mean?
Well, there were definitely a lot of Buddhist themes in it (example: "You're kinda messing with my whole Zen thing, man!" ;)), but that wasn't exactly what I meant. I meant the idea of Flynn being the "creator" and how he created the programs in his image. How it was his universe, and one of his righthand men (CLU) turned against him and tried to be the Creator, but could never be.
But you're so right, Arkillian, it was incredibly Star-Warsy. :yes:
I'm definitely going to try and watch the original, and even try to see Legacy in theatres again. I know I'll dig it more the second time. :)
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 10:02:59 PM
I meant the idea of Flynn being the "creator" and how he created the programs in his image. How it was his universe, and one of his righthand men (CLU) turned against him and tried to be the Creator, but could never be.
Woah, this is seriously insightful. Now I'm off to think about parallels between
Tron: Legacy and
Paradise Lost.
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 02, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
Woah, this is seriously insightful. Now I'm off to think about parallels between Tron: Legacy and Paradise Lost.
Uggggghhhhhh. I'm sorry to have reminded you of that 512-page disaster. :X
But thanks for saying so. :) I find Christian themes in everything, and the more reviews and such that I read about
Tron: Legacy, the more I see it. Now I'm kicking myself, wondering how I didn't notice it in the first place.
EDIT: Duuuuuuuuuuude, I found the whole 1982 movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCZtp0sLuQ) on yourtube! I guess I'll be watching it in the near future, then. :pleased:
(Probably tomorrow or the next night, though. I'm fighting to stay awake as it is!)
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Uggggghhhhhh. I'm sorry to have reminded you of that 512-page disaster. :X
Have you read it? It's an excellent piece of literature, imo, even if you disagree with its philosophy.
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 02, 2011, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Uggggghhhhhh. I'm sorry to have reminded you of that 512-page disaster. :X
Have you read it? It's an excellent piece of literature, imo, even if you disagree with its philosophy.
LOL, yeah, I read it my junior year of high school and hated most of it. I've been a Christian my whole life, but that book was too much for me. I just couldn't get into it, and I really, really tried. It just wasn't my taste.
Sorry, Doon, I didn't mean to be harsh, because it really was an epic piece. I mean, Milton was
blind when he wrote a big chunk of it, and he really knew what he was talking about! I just have bad memories of staying up until 2:30, fighting to keep my eyes open and struggling to focus on and be engaged in something I reeeeeaaaaaally didn't want to read. I'm just bitter when it comes to Paradise Lost, I suppose. I apologize! :)
(Posted on: February 02, 2011, 10:44:56 PM)
Anyway, I accidentally started getting sucked into the original TRON. I really and truly do have to go to bed now, but I got 15 minutes into the movie and I
love it so far! ;D
I shall resume in the morrow. Good night, Questers!
I had similar struggles trying to read it as well. It's extremely archaic and arcane by modern standards, but the essence of the work is very powerful and timeless, as evidenced by the fact that we are now discussing it in a thread originally about a modern sci-fi movie.
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 02, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
It's extremely archaic and arcane by modern standards, but the essence of the work is very powerful and timeless, as evidenced by the fact that we are now discussing it in a thread originally about a modern sci-fi movie.
Very true, and I'm sorry for being disrespectful. Maybe one day I'll give it another chance, like how I'm now willing to try Tron again. I might have grown into it, and now that I'm an adult (:X) and am more comfortable and knowledgeable about the Bible, I'll grasp its meaning better and not be so negative.
Love ya, Doon. :hug:
You were never disrespectful. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. :)
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 02, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
It's extremely archaic and arcane by modern standards, but the essence of the work is very powerful and timeless, as evidenced by the fact that we are now discussing it in a thread originally about a modern sci-fi movie.
Very true, and I'm sorry for being disrespectful. Maybe one day I'll give it another chance, like how I'm now willing to try Tron again. I might have grown into it, and now that I'm an adult (:X) and am more comfortable and knowledgeable about the Bible, I'll grasp its meaning better and not be so negative.
Love ya, Doon. :hug:
... if the fact that they call Kevin a god means that this is the ONLY reason that this is a Christian story, then you shouldn't watch the chronicles of Narnia, cause that whole movie is actual heavily christian basis. Singular gods is not an uncommon trait in religions outside of the Christian group of religions. I think you'll find that Tron parrallels asian beliefs FAR closer. Specially Kevin. He is VERY Confucius. The meditation, his house, his manner. VERY. The attitude of the world? Also. It's all about reincarnation cause of the reincarnation motif at the end of the movie. That's not Christian. If there is no TRON 3, then maybe you have an argument for Christianity in it, btu there's so many things I can point out that are Asian in origin. The thing is that it's a westernized Asian so it's hard to tell.
At the end of the day though, they may just be into asian films and was influenced by it, or made up something based on it's own religion cause well, it's it's own story- it doesn't need a base. Kevin IS the god of his world. The writers of Tron Legacy wrote Lost as well so there's bound to be some philosophy in it, but try not to over think it. It's a story. Enjoy it :) It has pretty art and stuff <3
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
I mean, Milton was blind when he wrote a big chunk of it, and he really knew what he was talking about! I just have bad memories of staying up until 2:30, fighting to keep my eyes open and struggling to focus on and be engaged in something I reeeeeaaaaaally didn't want to read.
This could be termed "Milton's Revenge". :P
:rofl:
There are plans for a third Tron movie, btw. According to an article I read recently, the upcoming Blu-Ray release of Legacy will have a teaser for the third film. All I know is that I'm so buying that Blu-Ray. I may even buy a 3D capable TV just for this movie. I mean, it is a good movie in my opinion.
Being a very unreligious person, I'm the last person to talk about religious themes. I respect people's views and beliefs, but I don't necessarily believe the same thing. But I can certainly appreciate having religious undertones in a movie, especially if it enhances the entire thing. Like Tron. The whole idea of Flynn being "The Creator" was really powerful to me, and it really resonated well with religious themes to me. Again, I'm not a very religious person, so half the time I don't know what I'm talking about XD
Quote from: Arkillian on February 03, 2011, 12:13:28 AM
... if the fact that they call Kevin a god means that this is the ONLY reason that this is a Christian story, then you shouldn't watch the chronicles of Narnia, cause that whole movie is actual heavily christian basis. Singular gods is not an uncommon trait in religions outside of the Christian group of religions. I think you'll find that Tron parrallels asian beliefs FAR closer. Specially Kevin. He is VERY Confucius. The meditation, his house, his manner. VERY. The attitude of the world? Also. It's all about reincarnation cause of the reincarnation motif at the end of the movie. That's not Christian. If there is no TRON 3, then maybe you have an argument for Christianity in it, btu there's so many things I can point out that are Asian in origin. The thing is that it's a westernized Asian so it's hard to tell.
I don't know Asian religions very well, so I really can't draw many parallels between Legacy and their culture. I know Christianity, so the religious parallels
I saw are clearly Christian, though I believe you when you say that there are more Asian religious references than Christian. And of course the idea that Flynn was a god is most definitely
not the only Christian motif I saw, that was just an example. I could list more if you want, but I'd have to write an essay in order to get all my thoughts together. ;)
As for the Chronicles of Narnia--Arkillian, c'mon, it's
me! :) Narnia is my absolute favorite book series, and I adore the movies. My testimony as to how I really started embracing my Christianity actually really stems from reading the Chronicles. (And I already DO have
that written in a sort of essay form, so if you're interested...;)) I definitely can see the Christian parallels in those books/movies--have you been following the "Voyage of the Dawn Treader" thread at all? ;D
(Posted on: February 03, 2011, 12:06:30 PM)
Quote from: Delling on February 03, 2011, 05:37:24 AM
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 02, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
I mean, Milton was blind when he wrote a big chunk of it, and he really knew what he was talking about! I just have bad memories of staying up until 2:30, fighting to keep my eyes open and struggling to focus on and be engaged in something I reeeeeaaaaaally didn't want to read.
This could be termed "Milton's Revenge". :P
Gah ha ha! His final, bitter joke. :rofl:
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 03, 2011, 12:07:04 PM
(And I already DO have that written in a sort of essay form, so if you're interested...;))
I'm interested!
Seriously, Doon? 'Cause I was kinda kidding. ;] I mean, not about it being written ('cause it really is), but about actually posting it...but if you're serious, I'd be glad to share with you. :)
Oh yes, I'm completely serious. If you don't want to post it here, you could email it to me as well. I am genuinely interested. :)
Okay, wow. :) I'll post it in my thread so this one doesn't meander too much.
(Posted on: February 03, 2011, 08:36:39 PM)
So I totally watched the original TRON last night on youtube and oh em freaking gee, how have I gone my life without ever seeing that?! I absolutely loved it! :D Of course it's outdated and a little campy, but that only adds to its awesomeness. If I was alive in the early 80's I totally would have been one of those geeks in the original cult following.
So now that I've watched it, I'm dancing on my tiptoes wanting to see the second one again. I feel bad for misjudging it so badly--I most definitely saw some of the references in the second one, but I know I'd catch more of them with this one so fresh in my mind. You guys were so right--I was soooooo wrong. :no:
So thanks for talking me into seeing the original, and for giving me the idea to give #2 a chance. I'm so happy that I have! ;D
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 05, 2011, 01:54:27 PM
Okay, wow. :) I'll post it in my thread so this one doesn't meander too much.
(Posted on: February 03, 2011, 08:36:39 PM)
So I totally watched the original TRON last night on youtube and oh em freaking gee, how have I gone my life without ever seeing that?! I absolutely loved it! :D Of course it's outdated and a little campy, but that only adds to its awesomeness. If I was alive in the early 80's I totally would have been one of those geeks in the original cult following.
So now that I've watched it, I'm dancing on my tiptoes wanting to see the second one again. I feel bad for misjudging it so badly--I most definitely saw some of the references in the second one, but I know I'd catch more of them with this one so fresh in my mind. You guys were so right--I was soooooo wrong. :no:
So thanks for talking me into seeing the original, and for giving me the idea to give #2 a chance. I'm so happy that I have! ;D
I'm glad we were so persuasive. Sometimes giving something a second chance makes all the difference in the world.
I think tomorrow I might head down to Southcenter and go see the movie again. Superbowl Sunday...I gotta get out of the testosterone pit!
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 05, 2011, 07:24:21 PM
I think tomorrow I might head down to Southcenter and go see the movie again. Superbowl Sunday...I gotta get out of the testosterone pit!
XD :rofl: I'll be working at GameStop opening to closing, so I won't have to bother with the testosterone pit very much. I can't stand sports and I'd rather be playing a video game than playing Football...
Oh, and I had a question about the original TRON movie...[spoiler]CLU was "derezzed" at the very beginning of it, right? So how does he show up in the second one as the tyrannical ruler? Did Flynn recreate him after he realized that he could visit The Grid? I know there's a scene in Legacy where it shows him making CLU, but that whole time frame kinda messes me up.[/spoiler]
EDIT: As Snabbott would say, what would we do without search engines? I found the answer (http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/Clu_2) myself. :)
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 05, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 05, 2011, 07:24:21 PM
I think tomorrow I might head down to Southcenter and go see the movie again. Superbowl Sunday...I gotta get out of the testosterone pit!
XD :rofl: I'll be working at GameStop opening to closing, so I won't have to bother with the testosterone pit very much. I can't stand sports and I'd rather be playing a video game than playing Football...
My wife is being nice and not making me watch the game (she's a native Wisconsinite, so she feels a need to watch). Unfortunately, I have to work. :(
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 05, 2011, 07:39:39 PM
Oh, and I had a question about the original TRON movie...[spoiler]CLU was "derezzed" at the very beginning of it, right? So how does he show up in the second one as the tyrannical ruler? Did Flynn recreate him after he realized that he could visit The Grid? I know there's a scene in Legacy where it shows him making CLU, but that whole time frame kinda messes me up.[/spoiler]
EDIT: As Snabbott would say, what would we do without search engines? I found the answer (http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/Clu_2) myself. :)
From what I understand, the second Clu was created after the events of the first movie. And honestly, I had no idea Clu was in the first movie... My friend rewatched it a while ago and told me and I just stared at her in disbelief. I was like, "how did I miss that?"