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Tropes vs Women in Video Games

Started by Bludshot, December 06, 2012, 11:48:46 PM

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stika

I can remove my previous post if you like :P


GrahamRocks!

Oh, you're fine stika. Thank you for offering though.

Rosella

If the prejudice is there, you need a word to describe it though. XD
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The Last of Us dev says studio was asked to put Ellie on the back cover; claims it is a fallacy that putting a female on cover will lead to lesser sales.

The cover art for Naughty Dog's PlayStation 3 action game The Last of Us features female protagonist Ellie alongside male character Joel, but not all wanted it this way. Naughty Dog creative director Neil Druckmann and Ellie voice actress Ashley Johnson spoke out on the issue in a new VG247 interview.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/naughty-dog-games-dont-need-males-on-cover-to-sell-6401457


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KatieHal

Props to you, Naughty Dog! That's some BS right there.

As if I needed more reasons to want to play that game....

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stika

Really? Sony Entertainment thinks that putting a female on a cover will lead to lesser sales?  :-\

Come on now...


Neonivek

Remember Beyond Good and Evil featured a woman on the cover.

So it isn't like this information was entirely made up on the spot.

Mind you I honestly would love to see where Sony got their information.

KatieHal

Even if there are numbers for it--this is a place where someone needs to actively work to change those numbers. So I'm glad Naughty Dog is taking the stand on that to say no, she's a main character, that whole idea is messed up anyways, she's going on the cover.

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stika

Quote from: Neonivek on December 13, 2012, 12:32:15 PM
Remember Beyond Good and Evil featured a woman on the cover.

So it isn't like this information was entirely made up on the spot.

Mind you I honestly would love to see where Sony got their information.
on the other hand Lara Croft games seem to sell pretty well.

And before anyone mentions her breasts, they've been scale down since Legend

Neonivek

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Honestly Laura's Breasts may have been made large for the same reason Tifa's breasts were excessively large.

Graphical limitations. (No really)

Mind you I was so young when I played Tomb Raider I never noticed her breasts and still kinda don't even today. Same with Tifa oddly enough.

Interesting what desensitization can do.

crayauchtin

Dungeon Siege feature a female on the cover even though the gender of the main character wasn't set. The first game, with the female on the cover, was (I believe?) the best selling of the whole trilogy.
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stika

Quote from: Neonivek on December 13, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
Honestly Laura's Breasts may have been made large for the same reason Tifa's breasts were excessively large.

Graphical limitations. (No really)

Mind you I was so young when I played Tomb Raider I never noticed her breasts and still kinda don't even today. Same with Tifa oddly enough.

Interesting what desensitization can do.

I had no idea that was the real reason.

Quote from: crayauchtin on December 13, 2012, 04:40:34 PM
Dungeon Siege feature a female on the cover even though the gender of the main character wasn't set. The first game, with the female on the cover, was (I believe?) the best selling of the whole trilogy.

I know the sequel also features a female character in its cover

Bludshot

Quote from: Neonivek on December 13, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
Honestly Laura's Breasts may have been made large for the same reason Tifa's breasts were excessively large.

Graphical limitations. (No really)

Mind you I was so young when I played Tomb Raider I never noticed her breasts and still kinda don't even today. Same with Tifa oddly enough.

Interesting what desensitization can do.

Can't speak for FF7 (although why did the other characters not have enormous breasts?) but in the case of Tomb Raider it was originally a graphical error that her chest was so big, but before they fixed it someone with authority demanded they leave it unchanged.
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Rosella

I think the general idea was that with the number of polygons they had, they only really had the capability to make her breasts comically large or non-existent.
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Neonivek

Oddly enough Alone in the Dark made their female character with the intent of making her appealing to other women.

The Result is that she actually fits the game much better, has the better backstory, and has a greater reason to be there.

She also is middle aged and has modest proportions.

According to one Letsplay I watched she was the first videogame character created exclusively for a female audiance.

Bludshot

Exclusive? That's kind of funny.  Although I guess Sierra had the same concerns when they made KQ4, that somehow a female protagonist would make all of the existing fans hate the game.
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Neonivek

I will say after Alone in the Dark the female protagonist became a damsel.

I think the largest issue they had when making Kings Quest was the fact that they wanted to make the game a series of games with different characters but at the same time knowing that Graham was the favorite. (PURE GUESS... I don't have any information on that)

Which would be interesting to me given that Alexander and Valanece are my two favorites.

and While Alexander is one of my favorites the general concensus I get is that people find him to be whiny and underwhelming.

GrahamRocks!

Really? I thought people thought of him as "OMG! EMO PRINCE!"

Like Cassima said in TSL, he's getting better.

Neonivek

Alexander rarely came off as Emo to me. He rarely complains about anything.

crayauchtin

Quote from: stika on December 13, 2012, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: crayauchtin on December 13, 2012, 04:40:34 PM
Dungeon Siege feature a female on the cover even though the gender of the main character wasn't set. The first game, with the female on the cover, was (I believe?) the best selling of the whole trilogy.

I know the sequel also features a female character in its cover
Okay... why can I not for the life of me remember that cover?! :P
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