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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2011, 02:57:03 PM »
Maybe it's possible that the Ranger is just a character we haven't seen before.  Either that, or he is Connor.

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2011, 03:01:54 PM »
IT's entirely possible he's a unique character- I'd assume he's plot critical if he is though. Why do you think he's Connor?


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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2011, 03:34:39 PM »
Maybe it's possible that the Ranger is just a character we haven't seen before.  Either that, or he is Connor.

I haven't play KQ8 but I wouldn't think it would be Connor because Graham says in the pawnshop that he was guarding the castle while the family was away. From what I hear about Connor from the game dialogue, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person to disobey his orders and run around in the Green Isles.

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2011, 08:13:32 PM »
Me either. Connor sounded like he passionately wanted to be a knight and that was his thing. I have no reason to think that he moonlit as a Doomsday bringer.


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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2011, 08:29:07 PM »
Ya, who is that Ranger guy...

Maybe is part of Alexander? He could be a hallucination of Alexander that left his body. He could be a different part of his personality.

Does this make sense?

This is what I thought. That, and he has the scarf that Alexander wears- different colour, but there's a similar fashion sense. I wonder if he's projecting just like Shadrack does. He apparently knew a lot of dark arts.

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2011, 03:09:30 PM »
Yeah, it probably isn't Connor unless he can somehow be in two places at the same time.  It's happened before in fiction. 

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2011, 03:12:45 PM »
Guys, guys; it's cedric. I mean come on. It's OBVIOUS! Crispin cast a spell on him to make him less annoying and what not.
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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2011, 04:21:45 PM »
I rather like the idea of Edgar as the Ranger. It seems to make a great deal of sense, as well as bringing strength to an otherwise weak character.

Point one: In the beginning of the first episode, Titania and Oberon let slip that there is something not quite right about Edgar and his relationship to them. In episode two/three, he also mentions that his appearance as a human is unusual for fairies - and this trait doesn't seem to be from either of his parents.  What this means is, for now, purely speculation, but the writers made a point of not once, but twice, pointing out that there's something unusual about Edgar.

Point two: Edgar has indeed traveled with his identity hidden by a cloak - in KQ7.  The cloaks are remarkably similar, and the fact that they both obscure his identity is important.  As was previously mentioned, the reasons that the Ranger's identity is hidden are twofold: one because Graham and other characters would recognize him, which he does not want, and two because the player would recognize him, which the designers do not want. His motivation for moving unseen is unclear, but he has done so before, and has the magical abilities to do what the Ranger has done.

Point three: Edgar's apparent inaction is suspicious - especially compared to his previous willingness to go against powerful sorceresses to help Rosella.  His actions were important to the defeat of both Lolotte and Malicia.  His fatigue would also make a great deal more sense if he were, in fact, moving clandestinely at night.

Point four: Edgar's entire character is based on hidden identity, being more than he seems, and proving his strength (if at times ineffective) despite his appearance.  In KQ4, his introduction as the ghoulish son of Lolotte belies his true nature, just as much as his transformation by Malicia into the Troll King in KQ7.  It would be quite fitting if his finale also carried this theme.

So, though it may be a long shot, I'll be placing my bets on Edgar.  After all, it's the quiet and the meek that surprise us the most.

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2011, 04:34:37 PM »
Here's one big problem though with that theory: WHY would he conceal the information he knows from King Graham? There's no logical reason for him to do so. If he knows anything about the black and silver cloaks, why wouldn't he straight up tell King Graham? I mean, Shamir didn't dress up and prance around at night just to tell Graham that he knows something. Sorry to say, but I'm pretty sure it isn't Edgar. Also, please note: I DO NOT know the identity of the ranger myself. The team hasn't (yet) told me who he/she/it is. So I'm as clueless as all of you as to who he is.
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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2011, 05:58:17 PM »
The Edgar point would be nice though. Edgar is a flat character, but sometimes it nice to not have every character in the story be super important. I'm sure Edgar will play a bigger role.

OK- you've convinced me of it possibly being Edgar being all faery, or Alexander projecting. Two options. *head spins*


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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2011, 08:28:50 PM »
I don't want the Ranger character to be Edgar and there are a couple of reasons for that:

1. First, although I like Edgar as a character in the story, I don't like that the Royal Family has been saving the Green Isles for the most part while not leaving any room for heroic strangers to step in and save the day - that is the one thing that I liked about King's Quest 8.

2. We need a new major character in the story who hasn't previously been introduced.  Ranger should be that new, mysterious stranger and should be unrelated to the story.  He should also play a significant role in saving the Green Isles.  Graham and his family shouldn't take all of the credit this time.  The Silver Cloaks, for instance, might return and help the Royal Family abolish the Evil of the Black Cloaks.

3. Edgar is cool and all, but I really don't see him as Ranger at all.  That's just my humble opinion.

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2011, 06:08:12 AM »
I don't want the Ranger character to be Edgar and there are a couple of reasons for that:

1. First, although I like Edgar as a character in the story, I don't like that the Royal Family has been saving the Green Isles for the most part while not leaving any room for heroic strangers to step in and save the day - that is the one thing that I liked about King's Quest 8.

2. We need a new major character in the story who hasn't previously been introduced.  Ranger should be that new, mysterious stranger and should be unrelated to the story.  He should also play a significant role in saving the Green Isles.  Graham and his family shouldn't take all of the credit this time.  The Silver Cloaks, for instance, might return and help the Royal Family abolish the Evil of the Black Cloaks.

3. Edgar is cool and all, but I really don't see him as Ranger at all.  That's just my humble opinion.

I see your point, and I like Edgar as just who he is right now too. I suspect Cassima is going to be a support only role in this too, although it'd be nice for Edgar to develop a little in this game since he always seems so withdrawn. I'd like to think that the Ranger will be significant. He's already made his point of being the cool mysterious kid on the block- why ditch him for some other protagonist? I'd like to see it be a team event too. That's why I listed the option of someone we knew in the past and someone entirely knew. Problem with this option is it's difficult to for see what they're doing till they do it ;) Lol. I Think I'd be happy if the Ranger was someone we knew or didn't know, as long as the Silver Cloaks pimped up the party for the epic battle :) It'd TOTALLY be cool to see some unexpected person in the Silver Cloaks team. HECK. Maybe Edgar is on the Silver cloaks team, but he's not the Ranger. That I could see happening more than him being the Ranger actually. It's intriguing :)


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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2011, 06:45:53 AM »
While I hadn't thought about it very much, I think the idea of the stranger being Alexander is pretty cool ... but just like with Edgar, I don't see Alexander hiding his identity from Graham.  Wouldn't he want to reassure his Dad, at the very least?

Though that give me another idea ... I only think this has a 1% chance of being the case but...

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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2011, 04:41:20 PM »
If he's a projection of Alexander, he doesn't need to be aware that he's doing it. It may be subconscious in which case he's not thinking it through and it's panning out like a dream. The dream creation of his may not pick up that Graham is Alexander's father.

I think Graham would be pretty creaped out if that was his predecessor O.o


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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2011, 09:43:15 PM »
Has anyone ever played the Thief series? He totally reminds me of Garrett.

On the theory of it being the ghost in the desert in KQ7, I believe he is tied to a theory about "The Wanderer" would would explain some.

Or it could be Derek Karlavaegen, the author of the Guidebook to the Land of the Green Isles, and "co-author" to the Companions.
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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2011, 09:52:53 PM »
Has anyone ever played the Thief series? He totally reminds me of Garrett.
Eh? No, not really. The Ranger actually acts like he wants to help (or, at least, that's what it seems). Garrett wouldn't lift a finger unless it endangered his way of life, and then he wouldn't interact with others but instead go about doing things his way.
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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2011, 10:00:40 PM »
Has anyone ever played the Thief series? He totally reminds me of Garrett.
Eh? No, not really. The Ranger actually acts like he wants to help (or, at least, that's what it seems). Garrett wouldn't lift a finger unless it endangered his way of life, and then he wouldn't interact with others but instead go about doing things his way.
Touche'. I was thinking attire-wise, rather than character-wise though.

I would think the Ranger has conscious previous ties with the Silver Cloaks, since he knows so much about them (i.e. not Alexander's projection, for example). Besides, if the last 12 Silver Cloaks trapped themselves in the Zodia Stone, don't you think they'd be smart enough to have some sort of Apprentice to keep an eye on things while they were incapacitated?
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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2011, 10:02:16 PM »
Touche'. I was thinking attire-wise, rather than character-wise though.
Ah. Well then, yeah, kinda.
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Re: The Ranger Analysis thread
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2011, 09:00:36 PM »
I don't know.. I always go back to the fact that we never see eyes or hair. Move/video game logic usually says that the reason someone's eyes and hair aren't revealed is because it's someone we would recognize. Otherwise, what's the point of covering the face of a stranger?

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