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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2012, 05:10:36 PM »
I liked 7. It introduced me to Kings Quest and it was the first game where I could play a female lead character! I love it!

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2012, 01:51:06 PM »
Enchantermon: I was referring to the XP compatibility sliders. At least, I *think* they're available in XP; they might actually have been phased out by that point.

If I remember correctly, you have to go to the desktop, right click anywhere, select properties, go to the Display tab, then click "Advanced". There should be a series of tabs on the window that then opens. In one of them is a slider that will allow you to alter graphical settings. Ideally you shouldn't pull it more than two or three slots to the left, because that would disable DirectX and make the game unplayable. But I found playing with them useful when I was getting old games working. It was essentially the older version of Windows' compatibility modes.

I agree that 7 isn't the best in the series. I don't mind the Edgar retcon - I mean, the games consistently retconned throughout, such that Manannan had no brother before 5 and Cassima was just a kidnapped princess between 5 and 6. But the whole thing felt very cartoony. I'm also not sure how I feel about bringing in the Fates and the Dream world: they're such important things, which underlie all of human experience, and they were really just sort of brushed over in the final chapters. I also found Rosella kind of annoying. And Falderal drove me crazy.

Having said that, it still feels like more of a KQ game than MoE. It's still an adventure game, and it still features members of the royal family. That's not to say that I prefer it to MoE *as a game* - like I said, I think MoE has a lot going for it - but I do at least think KQ7 was a reasonable (if not brilliant) addition to the series. MoE just didn't really belong in the KQ series at all.
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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2012, 05:26:01 PM »
I liked 7. It introduced me to Kings Quest and it was the first game where I could play a female lead character! I love it!

So...you were flattered at the fact that you had the opportunity to play two female leads, one of which was a self-centered bimbo, and the other of which was an overprotective shrew? If I were a girl, I'd be pissed at the caricatures that they ended up being. (In fact, I'm a guy and I'm already pissed at them.)

Not trying to start an argument here, I'm just wondering how anyone could possibly finish this game without a bitter taste in their mouth.
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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2012, 07:55:28 PM »
Speaking theoretically, as I am of course not Adrienne, but I am female. :) But--even if their personalities and actions are kind of irritating in a number of places...it's still better than NO female lead character. And despite their annoying qualities, they are still two female leads who are actively adventuring and saving the day. That's great! I really liked that about KQ7 when I played years ago, too! (I played it in high school...sophomore year, so I was 15/16.)

As an adult with some more perspective, I can now recognize the flaws in how they wrote and voiced the characters isn't entirely progressive, and is often kind of annoying.

But they still take action and save the day and they do it with intelligence and wit rather than violence or sex, so hey, they're doing something right, and there's still a positive message/lesson to take away from that as a girl playing a video game.

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2012, 08:22:48 PM »
It is a little depressing but I am inclined to agree with Katie.  They definitely screwed them up in a lot of ways, but almost 20 years later we still find  the industry turning Samus into an emotionally unstable butterfly in Other M, and creating that whole horrendous episode with the new Tomb Raider.
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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2012, 08:43:00 PM »
Because women are only strong if they (a) have a man to impress or (b) have a man to rape them!

Ugh.

On a related note, I freaking love Erica Reed. I really can't wait for everyone else to get to see her in action, who she is, and how awesome she is.

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2012, 09:58:54 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with a woman wanting to impress a man - hell, a lot of stories revolve around men wanting to impress women!  It just has to be handled properly.  Metroid: Other M.... woof... yeah.  That one was a little like "Really??"


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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2012, 10:06:44 PM »
As *a* motivation, and reflection of real life, yeah, it's fine. But it sucks to have a character--any character--who's been strong, independent, and awesome suddenly do a 180 and change completely to impress someone for sake of "romance".

Hell, it sucks when that happens in REAL life! Why would I want it in video games?

I haven't played Metroid myself, or Tomb Raider, but I have heard about it. I mean, personally, I find it distasteful that we've gone from Samus's androgynous armor in the original Metroid to things like "zero suit" Samus. To add to that a game where she frets and worries about some guy and downgrades her effectiveness in a fight on orders he didn't even give to her...yeah. Fail.

(a summary of what I've read about what happens in that game)

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2012, 10:29:59 PM »
The Samus needing her powers authorized drove me nuts for sure, but that is small change to some of the crap they pull with her.

The absolute worst part is when Ridley shows up, you know, that alien she has blown to smithereens in almost every single game.  For some reason she has a complete mental breakdown when she see him, and a bunch of Gears of War types have to drag her away.
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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2012, 10:44:20 PM »
I haven't played/seen enough Metroid to know who he is, but that does sound pretty crappy and out of character from what you're describing!

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2012, 01:22:20 PM »
I haven't played/seen enough Metroid to know who he is, but that does sound pretty crappy and out of character from what you're describing!

You are no longer allowed to develop video games until you have played and completed Super Metroid.  That is all.

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2012, 01:27:55 PM »
LOL. I don't even remotely own the right console to play it! Does watching an LP count? :)

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2012, 02:02:53 PM »
LOL. I don't even remotely own the right console to play it! Does watching an LP count? :)

SNES emulators and roms are super easy to come by.  Should be no problem to get your hands on it.  ;)

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2012, 02:08:29 PM »
Super Metroid, with a silent protagonist and only a little dialogue at the beginning manages to be an unbelievable experience through the sheer merit of good game design. So yes, play it.
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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2012, 02:45:37 PM »
Fair enough :) I'll add it to the pile of unplayed games I've got on here.

(Currently including but not limited to: Beyond Good & Evil, Beneath a Steel Sky, Machinarium, Portal, Portal 2, Space Quest Incinerations, Braid, and IA's SQ2.) (Though I have at least watched Paw's LP of the last.)

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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2012, 04:20:04 PM »
I understand, I have a pretty big list.
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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2012, 07:38:35 PM »
Oh wow. ZSNES. This takes me back to playing Crono Trigger my senior year in college (never finished. I got really close, though. Oh man, now I wanna play that again!)

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2012, 11:35:07 AM »
Oh wow. ZSNES. This takes me back to playing Crono Trigger my senior year in college (never finished. I got really close, though. Oh man, now I wanna play that again!)

Yeah, ZSNES is where it's at.  CronoTrigger should be easy to find.  If you loved that game, give Final Fantasy VI a shot, too.  But first, SUPER METROID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2012, 12:21:27 PM »
I think I started playing that at one point, too, but didn't play too much of it.

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Re: Mask of Eternity troubles
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2012, 09:47:53 AM »
Is FFVI the one with the opera song people gush over?
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