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Tropes vs Women in Video Games

Started by Bludshot, December 06, 2012, 11:48:46 PM

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Blackthorne

Controversy sells.  Any person with a modicum of intelligence knows that - and, even if it's unwanted and a bit annoying, the best revenge is using it to your advantage. 

+1 for Tropes vs. Women.


Bt
"You've got to keep one eye looking over your shoulder
you know it's going to get harder and harder as you
get older - but in the end you'll pack up, fly down south, hide your head in the sand.  Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer." - Dogs, Pink Floyd.

KatieHal

Living well is the best revenge!

Katie Hallahan
~Designer, PR Director~

"Change is the constant, the signal for rebirth, the egg of the phoenix." Christina Baldwin

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Lambonius

Quote from: snabbott on March 13, 2013, 06:15:01 PM
Sorry, Lamb. I guess nobody wants to argue with the expert. We're not worthy! :bow:

Better? :P

A little.  But you're facebook friends with me, so you know my background.  Rather than having my greatness acknowledged by someone who already knows it, I usually prefer the slow realization of it that happens with those who are less familiar with my work.

snabbott

Does it help that I know your background from outside FB (from the IA forums)? :P

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Delling

Quote from: Balinaeri on March 13, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Katie,
I'm sorry you had to go through that. A lot of us experienced similar things. Most of us not as bad as yours, but some worse. And as you say, some with tragic consequences.

It can't help at the time, but today you can take solace in the fact that most of your tormenters are likely a) in jail, b) working at gas stations, or c) not working at all. (At least that's the case for mine...I only assume it's the case for yours.) And, as others have said, you have achieved, despite, or perhaps because of what you had to go through.

My hat's off to you.

You reap what you sow.

Despite. It's always despite. Take it from someone who knows.
Noli me tangere! Nescio ubi fuisti!
Don't touch me! I don't know where you've been!

Marquess of Pembroke
Duke of Saxony in Her Majesty's Court
Knight of the Swan for Her Imperial Highness

...resistance was obviously useless against a family that could invent italics.

"Let the locative live."

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Blackthorne

I'm going to have to disagree.  It's not always despite.  If you think that, you're wallowing in self-pity.


Bt
"You've got to keep one eye looking over your shoulder
you know it's going to get harder and harder as you
get older - but in the end you'll pack up, fly down south, hide your head in the sand.  Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer." - Dogs, Pink Floyd.

LadyTerra

Exactly.  Would you have done as well as you have in your life if you didn't have people putting you down and getting angry enough to prove them wrong?

Personally, I don't think anyone has it perfect in school.
I have my cake and eat it too, until it's gone.  Then I can't do either.


Aww!  You have the Sword of Hugging +3!  All of your attacks deal affectionate damage!

Lambonius

Quote from: LadyTerra on March 14, 2013, 06:55:40 PM

Personally, I don't think anyone has it perfect in school.

I did.  I had all the friends, all the grades, and dated all the girls.

Delling

Quote from: Lambonius on March 15, 2013, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: LadyTerra on March 14, 2013, 06:55:40 PM

Personally, I don't think anyone has it perfect in school.

I did.  I had all the friends, all the grades, and dated all the girls.

That explains so much about your entitled behavior, Lamb. ::)


Quote from: Blackthorne on March 14, 2013, 04:51:40 PM
I'm going to have to disagree.  It's not always despite.  If you think that, you're wallowing in self-pity.


Bt
Uhm, no. Quite the opposite. Look at the context again. To say that you succeeded DESPITE the harassment and bullying of others means that the bullying did not make you better. You simply were better. My point is that people make a big deal about how giving kids a hard time builds character. That is BS. Time and again research in education demonstrates just how much so it is: we build confidence by building competencies and a positive, realistic self-image--confidence and a positive self-image are two things bullying destroys.

If we were to claim "you succeeded because you were bullied", we are saying "being treated like s*** helped you to make yourself better!" ::)

If we claim "you succeeded despite being bullied", we are saying "being treated like s*** was a detrimental negative thing that happened to you... and you succeeded anyway, good for you."

My claim is actually far more self-affirming and positive; the opposite claim amounts to bully-justifying.
Noli me tangere! Nescio ubi fuisti!
Don't touch me! I don't know where you've been!

Marquess of Pembroke
Duke of Saxony in Her Majesty's Court
Knight of the Swan for Her Imperial Highness

...resistance was obviously useless against a family that could invent italics.

"Let the locative live."

http://my.ddo.com/referral/Delling87

Lambonius

#289
Quote from: Delling on March 15, 2013, 06:45:59 PM

Uhm, no. Quite the opposite. Look at the context again. To say that you succeeded DESPITE the harassment and bullying of others means that the bullying did not make you better. You simply were better. My point is that people make a big deal about how giving kids a hard time builds character. That is BS. Time and again research in education demonstrates just how much so it is: we build confidence by building competencies and a positive, realistic self-image--confidence and a positive self-image are two things bullying destroys.

If we were to claim "you succeeded because you were bullied", we are saying "being treated like s*** helped you to make yourself better!" ::)

If we claim "you succeeded despite being bullied", we are saying "being treated like s*** was a detrimental negative thing that happened to you... and you succeeded anyway, good for you."

My claim is actually far more self-affirming and positive; the opposite claim amounts to bully-justifying.

People who start posts with a snotty "Uhm, no," are begging for a kick to the crotch.

Also, way to miss Bt's point.  Read LadyTerra's post; she gets at the heart of the matter much more succinctly than your whiny little tirade.

Neonivek

QuoteMy claim is actually far more self-affirming and positive; the opposite claim amounts to bully-justifying

I think a more important claim to try to shoot down is whether or not being bullies gives you more tools to deal with bullying then not.

Which I think frankly being a strong person, because you weren't shot down by bullying, probably gives you better tools then someone who felt the need to reaffirm themselves because someone always screamed in their ears about what a loser they were.

Mind you I still can't take all this seriously.

Delling

#291
Quote from: Lambonius on March 15, 2013, 10:47:08 PM
People who start posts with a snotty "Uhm, no," are begging for a kick to the crotch.

Also, way to miss Bt's point.  Read LadyTerra's post; she gets at the heart of the matter much more succinctly than your whiny little tirade.

Ecce, argumentum ad hominem ab Lambonio ibi. Quel surpris. ::)

In fairness, to LadyTerra's post, I didn't address it because there is some credence to "hardship causes strength", but life is full of hardship without adding bullying on top of it. Do people living below the poverty line need bullies to push them to improve? Or children living with abusive and/or negligent parents? Really?

It is entirely possible to push people to improve and, yes, even be hard on them and demand more than they're presently giving without having to demean them.

Quote from: Neonivek on March 15, 2013, 11:52:21 PM
I think a more important claim to try to shoot down is whether or not being bullies gives you more tools to deal with bullying then not.

Which I think frankly being a strong person, because you weren't shot down by bullying, probably gives you better tools then someone who felt the need to reaffirm themselves because someone always screamed in their ears.
Actually that is a good point. Going back to, you know, actual educational psychology research, victims of bullying have all of the attendant stresses and stressors of being in a minority and can be prone to PTSD, depression, lack of motivation, etc.

There is some evidence to suggest that students with a very high self-esteem who are either already entirely self-affirming or receive affirmation from an external source (usually a significant adult in their lives) can shrug off some bullying. I doubt this means they are entirely immune to the adverse effects of verbal abuse, probably requires more targeted attacks than whatever the researchers used... so, basically, it suggests that the longer you go without bullying and more solidly you're built up internally/emotionally as a person, the higher your effective defenses are.
Noli me tangere! Nescio ubi fuisti!
Don't touch me! I don't know where you've been!

Marquess of Pembroke
Duke of Saxony in Her Majesty's Court
Knight of the Swan for Her Imperial Highness

...resistance was obviously useless against a family that could invent italics.

"Let the locative live."

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darthkiwi

Quote from: Lambonius on March 15, 2013, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Delling on March 15, 2013, 06:45:59 PM

Uhm, no. Quite the opposite. Look at the context again. To say that you succeeded DESPITE the harassment and bullying of others means that the bullying did not make you better. You simply were better. My point is that people make a big deal about how giving kids a hard time builds character. That is BS. Time and again research in education demonstrates just how much so it is: we build confidence by building competencies and a positive, realistic self-image--confidence and a positive self-image are two things bullying destroys.

If we were to claim "you succeeded because you were bullied", we are saying "being treated like s*** helped you to make yourself better!" ::)

If we claim "you succeeded despite being bullied", we are saying "being treated like s*** was a detrimental negative thing that happened to you... and you succeeded anyway, good for you."

My claim is actually far more self-affirming and positive; the opposite claim amounts to bully-justifying.

People who start posts with a snotty "Uhm, no," are begging for a kick to the crotch.

Also, way to miss Bt's point.  Read LadyTerra's post; she gets at the heart of the matter much more succinctly than your whiny little tirade.
This post contains a reference to physical violence (which somebody "begged for"), strengthens a weak argument by belittling the opposition and even contains a neat little nod to high-school insults with "snotty".

Good work, Lamb! You've successfully written a meta-bullying post. *slow clap*
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Blackthorne

Um, yes.  Your wall of text and latin quotes still don't cover up the fact that you wallow in your poor, oppressed and bullied past.  Get over it.

I did.


Bt
"You've got to keep one eye looking over your shoulder
you know it's going to get harder and harder as you
get older - but in the end you'll pack up, fly down south, hide your head in the sand.  Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer." - Dogs, Pink Floyd.

darthkiwi

Quote from: Blackthorne on March 16, 2013, 08:31:46 AM
Um, yes.  Your wall of text and latin quotes still don't cover up the fact that you wallow in your poor, oppressed and bullied past.  Get over it.

I did.


Bt

Not a Latin quote: he made it himself. ;)
Prince of the Aquitaine. Duke of York.

Knight errant and consort to Her Grace the Empress Deloria of the Holy Roman Empire, Queene of all Albion and Princess Palatine.

GrahamRocks!

I was going to ask what it meant.

Blackthorne

Basically "Wow, an ad-hominem attack from Lambonius.  What a surprise."


Bt
"You've got to keep one eye looking over your shoulder
you know it's going to get harder and harder as you
get older - but in the end you'll pack up, fly down south, hide your head in the sand.  Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer." - Dogs, Pink Floyd.

Lambonius

Quote from: Blackthorne on March 16, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
Basically "Wow, an ad-hominem attack from Lambonius.  What a surprise."


Bt

You forgot to translate "ad hominem."  ;)

There's a whole lot of tl;dr in this thread.   8)

Numbers

Somebody in this thread needs to let loose a violent outburst. The rest of us need the entertainment.
I have no mouth, and I must scream.

snabbott

Ad hominem: a commercial for a product whose name sounds like the name of a different product.

Seriously, be nice, people. There's no need to belittle people who disagree with you.

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