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Who Likes Silver Linining part 4?

Yes
11 (55%)
No
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Maybe
0 (0%)
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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2013, 09:25:49 AM »
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks Deloria! :)

Although, I don't see why Valanice likes Othello.

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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2013, 01:50:56 PM »
Lol.  And there you have it: TSL > Shakespeare.

Thread over.

Hey, I can live with that :)

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Btw, I love Shakespeare to bits (as you can tell by TSL), but Titus is one of the hardest plays to digest from him imo. I also saw Julius Caesar once--haven't read it-- and that was was also very heavy. I think my fav Shakespeare will always be Othello.


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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2013, 03:41:00 PM »
@Lamb Bad pacing? Really? Huh. I didn't notice it all that much. And, of course they could be written better! Pretty much ANYTHING can be written better in the right hands!  

Just noticed this.  Yes, KOTCS has terrible pacing.  It has a great front end, mostly, but a really badly executed second half.  Basically, from the moment Indy and Mutt are captured by the Russians, the movie goes downhill fast.  The Jungle Chase scene is WAY WAY WAY too long; it literally takes up most of the second half of the movie.  It's all s****y action designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of today's ADD movie goers.  As a result, the whole ending at Akator itself feels very tacked on and rushed.  In the novelization, the Akator sequence is greatly extended, and as a result the plot gets a lot more fleshed out and the movie's ending as a whole fits better and makes more sense.  There's also more to the Chauchilla Cemetary bit in the novelization, which elaborates upon the Spanish conquistador's acquisition of the crystal skull and their subsequent downfall as a result of its corrupting effects.  Pretty much all of that important information that adds gravitas to the story and its MacGuffin is cut from the movie, making it seem easily the most shallow of the four Indy flicks.  It's just a badly put together film, padded out with way too many mindless action bits, at the expense of important plot development.  There are almost no moments of "rest" in the movie like there are in the other Indy flicks, moments like Indy drinking whiskey after Marion's apparent death in Raiders, or the quiet drink in the Zeppelin in Crusade.  Those moments are crucial because of the way they allow the characters to develop and push the plot forward through (gasp!) actual dialog that isn't just one-liners thrown in between punches and explosions.  KOTCS is basically one action setpiece after another, with almost no breaks in between, especially the last half.  On top of that, there are too many characters vying for the spotlight--it's too much of an ensemble cast, such that characters like Mac and Oxley (and arguably Marion) are incredibly one-dimensional and hardly developed at all.

Anyway, I could go on, but I'll stop there for now.  ;)
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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2013, 04:23:14 PM »
While we're all venting at stuff we hate, I would just like to say that for me, MoE > KQ7.

Before you burn me at the stake, let me explain: MoE, I can laugh at. It's silly. It's an unintentionally funny game. You can decapitate monsters by shooting them with arrows. Yeah, arrows don't work that way, but I think it's funny nonetheless. You inspect the mold you're carrying in your inventory, and Connor triumphantly announces, "I have fetched some green mold!" I still find that statement funny. KQ7, however...is grating. What's up with all the crying, and all the screaming, and all the squeaky-voiced characters? What's with the bad animation? Why do the human characters only have four fingers on each hand?

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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2013, 04:36:20 PM »
KQ7 is just so terrible.  Truly the worst the KQ series has to offer.

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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2013, 05:39:05 PM »
Well, the crying actually had a purpose: to solve a puzzle. The screaming, I'm not sure what you're talking about unless you're talking about the death sequences. The voices, well, Sierra has never been one for great voice acting anyway (KQ6 and GK1 to name a couple exceptions)and besides, we ARE in a completely different world here anyway.

As for Indy 4... okay, Lamb. You DO make a good point! It's not going to stop me from liking the film, but it is a good point.

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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2013, 07:02:26 PM »
I actually found Graham's death scream in KQ5 *much* more annoying.
 
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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2013, 07:25:56 PM »
You gotta love the Graham falling scream, though! It's like Sierra's version of the Wilhelm scream! :P
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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2013, 08:32:18 PM »
Indeed! I've heard that scream in a few other Sierra games as well.

Off the top of my head there is: Quest for Glory 3, Conquests of the Longbow, King's Quest 6...

Although to me, it's more horrifying than annoying. Say what you want about Josh Mandel's voice for Graham, he sure can yell!

Not as horrifying as Lavos though.

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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2013, 12:57:58 AM »
KQ7 doesn't hold a candle to KQ6. But I love it. Although that probably has more to do with nostalgia rather than me actually loving the game itself :)


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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2013, 01:51:30 AM »
I am under the impression that Shakespeare didn't write natural dialog all the time, though he certainly included slang and multiple ways of speaking, and that his plays at the time would have been considered somewhat poetic.

Also my issue with Titus was never the violence and gore, heck the BEST part of the entire play was the most mortifying. It was just that it was kind of not a good play and disapointed me constantly, building up scenes and characters just to make them superfluous.

It is the only Shakespeare play where In my oppinion it is better to turn your brain off and not on. (that I am aware of).

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KQ7 doesn't hold a candle to KQ6.

While I think KQ7 is mildly underrated, you are right. It is one of the weaker Kings Quests.

Its real issue is its slow pacing. It is probably the most generally slow Kings Quest (though you can speed it up, but that isn't in the manual)

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Re: Who likes Silver Lining Part 4?
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2013, 05:14:57 AM »
You can press Shift-+ to raise the speed, though it has an annoying habit of dropping back to the default setting whenever it feels like it.
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